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f0rest top20
felps | 
Germany remind00 
how can this guy not be in top 20 ? he was better n 2017 than k0nfig or olof
2018-01-09 09:00
gody | 
Sweden Sanfan97 
Better than olof indeed but Faze has won so much more than NiP so that's probably why and also no major appearance...
2018-01-09 09:04
Sweden herb 
does winning mean so much really? That's just so stupid if it does
2018-01-11 13:02
gody | 
Sweden Sanfan97 
To me I kind of feel the same but I guess it's a way to put players into context. If a player has a super good rating playing vs tire 3 it's not the same as going to major and doing it.
2018-01-11 13:43
Spain b1sS 
thats true, but he has an awesome rating playing vs all the people, they should mix player skill with winning and vs who. So i think they shouldn't concentrate that much in winning rather than player skill and what they did in 2017
2018-01-11 18:37
Turkey dogboi2001 
also he cant be top20 if he fails to qualify with his team for a single major hahaha
2018-01-16 18:27
2018-01-11 13:03
Brazil Gunzel 
then why Elige top 12 then? i don't get it, Liquid had won nothing worth in the last year
2018-01-14 08:46
gody | 
Sweden Sanfan97 
Well...Elige is just BS tbh...It's like they forgot their own logic on that one...Can't explain that shit, maybe they just felt pressure from all delusional NA fans...dunno.
2018-01-14 08:48
s1mple shouldn't be in top20
2018-01-16 23:57
Mongolia FoxOutOfGlocks 
Top 30 at the best... Not that good statistics, few good events but in general he was quite average, someone like k0nfig was much more impactful than this guy.
2018-01-09 09:11
f0rest | 
Other b3rg0n1k 
f0rest carried nip to win oakland, valencia and online event carried nip to get out of groups at cologne, malmo etc. k0nfig=0 achievements apart from dh montreal where immortals players played only 1 map in the final while being drunk or whatever, 0.01 higher rating than f0rest oskar=barely attended tier 1 events, was inside of top 20 only because of his achievements in tier 2-3 events (bad achievements while f0rest attended only 2 shit events and won both) snax=worse than f0rest for sure, worse achievements, worse stats olof=not even top 4 sweden elige=lol the list goes on and on. while nip was shit, the amount of carry f0rest offered to them this year is pretty amazing. but yeah, hltv's top 20 is bad every year, i mean f0rest was only #7 last year too even tho he was at least top5 with deep runs in many events and 3 mvp performances (only 2 achieved tho cuz xizt had one event where he got above 1 rating so he got the mvp because it's pretty insane from him, just like taco this year) device was 3 last 2 years flusha and krimz placings in 2015 are insanely embarrassing considering they were alongside olof the 3 best players in 2015 olof in 2016 even tho he played 3 months or something like that, while half of those he was shit too the list goes on and on
2018-01-09 09:26
Norway m0sifer 
NiP also failed to get to any of the semis or quarters of any events apart from Oakland or Valencia. North has fewer number 1s but they have a much hgiher playoff presence
2018-01-09 12:18
no they didn't. back to your cave now, nerd. never get out again!
2018-01-09 12:19
Norway m0sifer Based off of each team's actual results
2018-01-09 12:25
???? what tf did that prove. nip still didn't fail to get to all other quarters and semis also, nip won 3 events: 1 tier 1(beating faze and sk, objectively the best teams in the world, which north i doubt even won 5 maps against this year), 1 tier 2 which was objectively a better win than montreal because north played against a drunk team that didn't even get to play the whole game, nip at least beat nv which are a tier 1-2 team. depends what you think t1 teams are, but if you think north and nip are t1, which you do for sure then nv is too) and 1 online event (with some decent and good teams like mouseports, big, heroic, hr etc.) nip had a better year than north. north were shit at everything that didn't include bo1's or tier2 teams f0rest and k0nfig had almost the same rating even tho f0rest had to carry a worse team that had both friberg and pyth at the beginning while k0nfig had valde and magisk throughout the year which are both better than the whole other 4's in nip. yet, they couldn't do shit and when they outplaced nip, they still lost to worse teams than nip lost to or same teams but in different knockout stages
2018-01-09 13:45
Norway m0sifer 
If you think online matters at all then you have mental disabilities.
2018-01-09 14:13
remove it, but then you have to remove both epls and nip's fails to get to the majors btw so you won't be a hypocrite nip still more successful. north only beat tier2 teams. i think they beat only 1 tier 1 team in bo3 and that was sk when they were kicking felps but couldn't find a replacement
2018-01-09 14:18
Norway m0sifer 
NiP won 1 tier 1 tournament by massively overperforming on a single LAN whilst the rest of the year they shit the bed. Using the exact same logic you can say that mousesports had more success than Astralis, and Astralis are better than SK. Remove IEM Oakland and look at the rest of NiPs year and it's 1 tier 2 tournament where they beat tier 3 teams, and the rest are tier 1 LANs falling off in the quarters or group stage. Remove Dreamhack Montreal and look at North's year, you have ton of great top 4 finishes and other second places. Just because you peak and win 1 tier 1 tournament in a year after being dogshit for a year doesn't mean you're better than the top 5 over-all it just doesn't. This team lost to teams they should absolutely never lose to. You put North in the same EU Qualifier they get through it. NiP failed catastrophically 3 times on 3 levels. The offline qualifier, and the EU qualifier twice. "Oh the major's just one event it doesn't matter" this is the event every team aspires to win, it grants the biggest status of any tournament in CSGO. Of course it matters.
2018-01-09 14:23
"Oh the major's just one event it doesn't matter" that's how "i lost the argument" looks like. you take your shit out of your ass and try to make me believe that i said that nip had that roster for a few months and they made it to the play-offs of every event apart from epl because f0rest didn't carry them and eleague north got out of groups by beating tier 2 teams, it's not a big achievement. just like in football, you may get out of the groups every year in ucl, but it's better to win it once and get out of groups 2-3 more times. omg north played a final in malmo(they got destroyed by g2 while nip had a chance) omg north played a final at tier2 event epl s5 where only shit teams qualified and they lost to the first tier 1 team they faced admit it, k0nfig had less achievements than f0rest, all that by playing inside a better team
2018-01-09 18:05
Norway m0sifer 
saying k0nfig has less achievements than f0rest is ignoring the basics of logic. this argument is done due to your own ignorance
2018-01-11 08:34
Do you know what achievements are? Probably no, otherwise you wouldn't make yourself look idiotic. Achievement=winning. K0nfig won nothing, f0rest won oakland. If you think beating tier2 teams is an achievement you re deluded, but it's obvious by now that you are. You probably also think that oskar is another worthy player of the top 20 by playing dreamhack tours the whole year and winning none of them
2018-01-11 09:55
Norway m0sifer 
achievement noun a thing done successfully with effort, skill, or courage. "to reach this stage is a great achievement"
2018-01-11 10:04
"a thing done successfully with effort, skill, or courage." exactly, thanks for proving my point, losing everytime you face a good team is not an achievement. unless you count bad results as achievements, which you may because you are not the brightest of men
2018-01-11 10:07
Norway m0sifer 
an achievement is getting to a high place using effort, skill, or courage. NiP failed in the group stage of a lot more tournaments than North this year. They lost to much less heavy opposition than North.
2018-01-11 10:39
not really. north almost always got the easiest groups, you must be deluded to think otherwise. also, beating heroic and c9 to pass the groups is not an achievement. beating peak level sk and faze in bo3s and bo5s is an achievement tho. north won: 2 maps the whole year vs sk (when sk was searching for someone to replace felps) 2 maps the whole year vs faze(1 against old faze, 1 against new faze) 1 map vs astralis 2 maps vs g2 the whole year (played A LOT of maps) nip won: 4 and lost 3 to faze(one of their losses, they had both pyth and friberg, impossible to beat anyone with those 2 in the same team) 1 vs g2 2 vs sk (bo3) 2 vs astralis (bo1) 2-0 vs north who was the more successful one mate? the tier2-3 crushers or the team that actually won an event at least? you probably think that the fact that north made the final at malmo is better than the semis of nip, but they actually stood no chance to g2 while nip had their chances to win the game. that's the case in most of their incredible runs, they face shit opponents and the moment they face good teams they get rekt forgot to talk about vp, but i guess you know already who won more, right? i am sure barcelona considers an achievement to beat olympiacos in group stages and besiktas in 1/8 if they lose to bayern in quarters for example. they would be so proud. ask north players if they would trade their wins over heroic to win oakland, guess what they will answer Also, north played more events too because of the majors, the fact that they won just as many maps as nip did (worse ratio btw) should open your eyes
2018-01-11 11:09
Norway m0sifer 
Crushing every team below is far better than losing to those teams. NiP surely peaked and did insane shit. but they also lost to: Misfits, NRG, Heroic, North, Big, C9, Space Soldiers, Red Reserve, iGame, Dignitas, Vega Squadron, HR, OpTic, Slumpus.Pro
2018-01-11 11:38
didn't we talk about 2017 lan? online games don't matter because hltv doesn't take online games for their top, otherwise xantares would be top1. also, they lost online bo1s which is even less meaningful they have 3-0 record with vp north 2-0 didn't play dignitas this year i doubt they played big this year yeah they lost to misfits and nrg, but guess who else did that at the same event +one lose to nip (north btw) i doubt they played ss they beat red reserve 2-0 i remember them beating optic i think the vega game was in 2016(they won 3 tier 1 events that year btw, again better achievements than north) what are you smoking? it must be some good shit mate to make you that delusional
2018-01-11 11:50
Norway m0sifer 
I'm done.
2018-01-11 14:09
you should cuz you seem to take 2016 games into consideration and online games as achievements. you are utterly idiotic
2018-01-11 14:15
Norway m0sifer 
*making fun of me for counting online matches while you yourself counted an entire online tournament as a win earlier*
2018-01-11 16:18
I counted it as a shit tier2 event which i said you may or may not want to take into consideration as it's online. Since your first commet you just quote things i didn't say. I said nip won 3 events(true) from which one is t1, one t2 and one online. What a fucking dumbass, just stop making yourself look worse. You pretty much had 0 arguments for anything. You just give your opinion and you talk about what i didnt say. Definition of an idiot
2018-01-11 18:34
Norway m0sifer 
If you average their placings over the year. North will have a higher placing than NiP.
2018-01-12 16:19
They made semis of malmo and quarters of cologne ? You dumb
2018-01-09 13:31
nip had pretty decent showings considering that when the scene was weaker in the beginning of the year they still had friberg and pyth both in the team which is pretty much rip for any player, be it cold, s1mple, fer, rain, niko or fallen to replace f0rest. no one would have been able to carry that team.
2018-01-09 13:49
F0rest is just a god but underrated , people should understand what he has done these years for the team
2018-01-09 13:53
they won't. think about it, he was not even top5 last year even tho he had as many titles as sk but he was the only good player in his team while sk had 4 he deserved to be above shox,device. it's between him and s1mple for 3rd place
2018-01-09 13:55
will never happen but nt
2018-01-14 18:14
??? try to make sense at least mate. ofc it won't happen, it's 2018 btw
2018-01-14 18:17
f0rest | 
India chulbul 
f0rest is a legendary player, and the expectation from him is much higher. These rankings dont matter at all for him. None of these top 20 are close to his level irl. I think its a disgrace for these rankings to not have him as part of them ...
2018-01-14 08:08
LuL NiP won IEM Oakland cause ReZ played like an real entryfragger for sure forest was maybe the best before Oakland but ReZ was the lost key to their success
2018-01-14 08:19
yeah, clearly 1 map vs sk is insane because f0rest was the best in every other game that they won in playoffs clearly not f0rest, rez is insane, too bad he sucked at every other event
2018-01-14 13:51
Finland Alko^ 
Man who carries against faze is top30 at max? f0rest deserves atleast top10 like every other year but this was bad year for nip, not for f0rest. But csgo is team game
2018-01-14 07:56
gody | 
Sweden Sanfan97 
"few good events in general" rly? That's 1 bad event, 5 average events and 5 good events on LAN in 2017. Over 1 rating in 9/11.
2018-01-14 08:54
Top 20 of tier 3 maybe :) Have a respectful day. - Official_HLTV_Women_Respector
2018-01-09 09:11
Jonti | 
Japan MrBean444 
2018-01-09 09:31
autist spotted
2018-01-09 09:47
am i the one who thinks nipperino or any of the team washed up / young pricks are relevant. gl hf nip at bostom major! Have a respectful day. - Official_HLTV_Women_Respector
2018-01-09 11:56
Finland Alko^ 
check his flag, hes not autist but has probably low iq
2018-01-14 07:57
Romania rainGODtop1 
he is top20 since 2009/10 ATM the goat HOPE but 5% change that he will get 10
2018-01-09 09:25
Haha so hopeless
2018-01-09 09:47
Switzerland hanniba1fade 
yes i dont understand how olof could make the list.. like wtf
2018-01-09 09:26
f0rest | 
Other b3rg0n1k 
absolutely everyone in this top is either underrated or overrated so i expect niko to be top1, cold 2,fallen 9, device 3, fer 8, rain 7, guardian 4 etc
2018-01-09 09:32
Denmark oskarsports 
Expected from mad f0rest fanboy
2018-01-09 14:26
Expected from mad f0rest fanboy
2018-01-09 14:33
2018-01-09 09:47
2018-01-09 09:49
2018-01-09 11:58
Sweden Trkmag 
K0nfig nah but he was for sure better than Olof
2018-01-09 12:00
2018-01-09 12:01
Russia Nikosimus 
And oskar FFS OSKAR..
2018-01-09 12:14
Denmark oskarsports 
Oskar > everyone from nip
2018-01-09 14:27
Russia Nikosimus 
Name checks out
2018-01-09 14:30
Denmark oskarsports 
Its true.
2018-01-09 14:31
It indeed is true
2018-01-09 18:13
Denmark oskarsports 
indeed a wise choice
2018-01-09 18:15
Olof won a lot with Faze,better than k0nfig ? really ?
2018-01-09 12:16
f0rest | 
Serbia dankooo 
well its the first time that hltv contradict themselves. won more, ok you can say that but they won because of niko and not because olof did much. olof made them lose games. you cant put 1 player because of his team success and then put another player like elige that doesnt have team success and not put forest that doesnt have team success. hltv just went retard first time in last 15 years
2018-01-09 12:25
Ok Olof was 2nd on Eleague and overall played good season if we don't count epicenter.
2018-01-09 12:27
better than k0nfig lmfa0000000
2018-01-09 12:29
felps | 
Germany remind00 
he is 20times better than this danish sucker
2018-01-11 13:01
yeah i miss him too
2018-01-09 13:56
f0rest | 
Russia 1.6 FTW 
i mean he owns sk with THEIR godzera in bo5 FINAL and was consistently good for the whole year HOW TF WE HAVE SNAX AND OLOF INSTEAD OF HIM
2018-01-09 14:26
f0rest wasnt that good to be in top20, he lacked LANs and consistent performances with good placements (only Oakland), olofmeister got boosted in the late 2017 with FaZe but he performed well and was pretty big reason they won so well and was able to handle pressure in big games. Even tho Snax shouldnt be in top20 the obvious one who got robbed of being in top20 was felps whom I would rank above olofmeister since hes had only 2 bad and very underwhelming LANs and hes always had pretty big impact.
2018-01-09 14:40
love the salty f0rest fanboy tears. f0rest was the 3rd best player in the 10th best team in 2017. he is not remotely close to a top 20 placement.
2018-01-09 18:11
this is hltv wtf did you expect?
2018-01-11 08:46
I honestly think, f0rest should be instead of washed-up GuardiaN who shown nothing in 2017. I don't like f0rest and he did nothing to be in top5, but he deserves this spot more than Guardian.
2018-01-11 08:50
Russia Nikosimus 
Guardian is ok but oskar and k0nfig..for what??
2018-01-11 11:16
Sweden ThorinEk 
its alot about the fact that NIP just won one event, he had a period after rez joined where he topfragged every game for a few tournaments but it didnt get the team anywhere at the time.
2018-01-11 11:12
Lemmy | 
Poland MetalMan 
Only one ??
2018-01-14 13:52
Sweden ThorinEk 
okay two, but only one of them is relevant lets be real here
2018-01-14 14:02
only two ??
2018-01-16 18:20
Sweden ThorinEk 
three if you count an online league, i think it was farmskins that they won but thats really just 100% irrelevant.
2018-01-16 18:25
Sweden Rexz 
f0rest were great throughout the year and especially in cologne and oakland and he deserve to be in top20 but guess not according to hltv
2018-01-16 23:56
Player of THE YEAR =/= player of THE WEEK ^_^
2018-01-11 11:41
Brit talking...
2018-01-14 13:52
i don't think think he should have been higher but this list was completely ridiculous, f0rest should have been around 14, boltz shouldn't have been on it, neither should snax and adren was top 10 for sure and k0nfig not inside top 10.... what a fucking joke
2018-01-11 11:59
Fan of nip xd
2018-01-11 12:56
yeh, but im not being bias he was really solid this year, the no major thing hurts him a lot, but by far the best Swedish player of the year not recolonised on this list is quite ridiculous
2018-01-11 13:11
You're absolutely biased. F0rest was the third best player in the 10th best team this year. Adding to the fact that he doesn't play majors. He shouldn't even be mentioned in a top 30 list.
2018-01-12 09:08
3rd best player, are you mentally ill? it's not even close he was the best player in that team then draken then get_right
2018-01-12 11:12
Go check stats
2018-01-12 14:24
are you touched? that is 3 month stats f0rest has the highest rating over the year, only rez comes close and he played half of the year against tier 2/3 shitters
2018-01-13 04:55
Draken has the highest rating of the year. Also no events under 1 in rating
2018-01-13 07:04
if you think draken has been as good as f0rest this year you should go play league
2018-01-13 09:42
He hasn't, he's been much better. Of course blind nip fans won't see that
2018-01-14 06:12
2018-01-14 12:09
Denmark slacking 
because he has been the most overrated player last 3 years people dick ride him so much it's insane
2018-01-11 12:04
He is mediocore now not top 20 material
2018-01-11 12:50
No he wasnt. He barely went to any events. Have an ambiguous day! VeryAmbiguousGuy
2018-01-11 12:52
Denmark Vyo 
salty nip fanboy. your team suck and so does forest. deal with it.
2018-01-11 12:54
NIP sucks i agree but forest doesn't,after all it's a team game
2018-01-12 09:13
He wasnt better but he played well and except oakland nip didnt achieve anything..same goes for rpk
2018-01-11 13:53
Sweden mixlax 
I Think that he has been a bit inconsistant...
2018-01-12 11:18
he in top 10 believe me
2018-01-13 07:08
Czech Republic Prevodovka 
Top 5 u mean
2018-01-14 08:52
Sweden zZzlatan 
f0rest is top1 forever even if he is not top20 one year
2018-01-14 18:14
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