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PC setup for CSGO+Coding+othergames?
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Brazil taylor4tw 
Hello guys, I'm trying to build a new pc setup but i'm stuck with the doubt about RYZEN IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR CSGO, but still better to all other stuffs than any i5/i7. Is this right? Ryzen 5 1600 or 5 1400 against Intel i7 7700 The VGA would be a GeForce GTX1080 8gb, 16gb ram (isnt 8 enough?) and etc etc...
2018-01-12 17:26
r5 1600 would be perfect, ryzen is more than enough, and with gtx1080 you can max out all other games at great fps. Go with 2x8gb ram and you're set
2018-01-12 17:28
only if you overclock it
2018-01-12 17:29
Yea, which is simple af, even with stock cooler. Also b350 motherboards are dirt cheap
2018-01-12 17:29
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VulkaN | 
Austria iVolkan 
+1 Ryzen is BUILT to overcloak and it is easy as shit now with Ryzen Master (got Ryzen 3 1300x + 1060 OC 3gb)
2018-01-12 18:22
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jks | 
Germany wh1teey 
I would get 32gb just because of the swag and in case he plays something in 4k or so and has other programs running in the background, 16gb could maybe struggle
2018-01-12 17:35
lel
2018-01-17 20:16
I assume you mean GPU instead of VGA. i3 8100 beats ryzen 3's and the i3 8350k even beats the ryzen 5 1600. But I would just get intel i7 8700k if you are willing to spend money anyways.
2018-01-12 17:28
You sir, are a complete retard.
2018-01-12 18:02
+infinite
2018-01-12 18:11
#88
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Europe GH0STZ_97 
+1
2018-01-17 20:17
The i3 8100 does not beat the ryzen 3 1200 at all.. first of all, the ryzen 3 1200 is unlocked meaning you can overclock it, and b350 motherboards are very cheap. when overclocked, the ryzen 3 1200 actually is equal if not beats out the i3 8100. its 110 while the i3 is 120-130, not to mention budget mobos are not even out for it yet. the i3 8350k does beat the ryzen 5 1600 but only when its overclocked and to do that, you can't use the stock cooler. You need to spend at least $100 on a motherboard, plus another $60 or more for a decent cooler to overclock it. for him, the r3 1200 is more than enough
2018-01-17 17:48
#79
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Europe EUR0PE 
You don't need to spent that much for overclocking, im using a 30$ air cooler with a decent 70$ mobo. My i5 4690k is running at 4.6ghz on air. Since the 4690k OC'ing has become even easier and less hot, since you need less voltage.
2018-01-17 17:55
yeah but in order to overclock with an i3, i need to spend 10-20 more on the processor, 40-60 more on the motherboard, and an additional 30 more on a decent cooler.
2018-01-17 18:43
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Europe EUR0PE 
You don'T need to spend extra money for a mobo and for a cooler, maybe 10-15€
2018-01-17 20:13
im talking comparing to the amd ryzen one. the amd overclockable motherboards can be acquired for as little as $64 while you need to pay minimum $110 for an intel z370 overclockable mobo. also a 212 evo cooler sets you back $30. Not to mention the extra $80 youhave to spend on the processor itself.
2018-01-17 20:15
Get your i3 then, ill keep my ryzen 5 1600.
2018-01-17 20:34
wtf??? did you even fcking read what I wrote? I am saying that the ryzen is better and that I am getting the ryzen.. im getting the r3 1200 tho cause i dont need need the extra cores
2018-01-17 20:35
dunno if that r3 1200 is good xDD
2018-01-17 20:49
it is, when overclocked, it is just as good as the i3 8100 as long as your gpu is not above a 1060. r3 1200 overclocked with 1050 ti gets 200+ fps easily in csgo on 1080p
2018-01-17 21:07
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Indonesia Not_A_Carry 
What is your budget bro ? If your budget is tight then pick ryzen 5 1600 or ryzen 7 1700, or if your budget is plenty then pick i7 8700k, throw some intel optane and 2x8 gb ram with gtx 1080 and your pc will get faster than you in bed
2018-01-12 17:32
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Brazil taylor4tw 
around 1500/2000 U$
2018-01-12 17:38
#8
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United Kingdom AlywOw 
GL with 1080
2018-01-12 17:36
If u mainly play cs:go i'd suggest you get an i7 8700k watercooled and overclock it. A 1070 ti will do because cs go isn't graphicly intense. It's more CPU based
2018-01-12 17:39
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f0rest | 
France 1nkling 
gtx1080 ~$500 i7 8700 ~$300 2*8G ddr4 ~$200 pick up everything else from your trash bin and done.
2018-01-12 17:41
#11
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Brazil taylor4tw 
can you build it completely, please? I mean, with the compatible MB, how many watts etc
2018-01-12 17:46
Feels bad man.. I payed fucking 900€ for my 1080. Are they already at 500$ in Europe? Maybe time to use my Sli then.
2018-01-12 18:29
No they are 600 euro in europe now xD
2018-01-12 18:43
#89
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Europe GH0STZ_97 
you can get them for 500 as well
2018-01-17 20:19
#54
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Spain G3CK0 
600-700€
2018-01-12 20:22
If you even compare i7 to ryzen 5 you're either fat troll or plain stupid i7 > ryzen
2018-01-12 17:48
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Brazil taylor4tw 
why u mad, bro? I saw many forums saying that ryzen>i7 for any reasons... but for csgo, intel still ahead
2018-01-12 17:52
if you seriously regard i7 7700 as an option - you're either a fat troll or just plain stupid Hint #1: Coffee Lake i5-8400, the same performance but much cheaper Hint #2: Ryzen Refresh in April, 2018 If you but any 1st gen Ryzen or any Kaby Lake CPU you're either plain stupid or just plain stupid
2018-01-12 17:55
#20
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Brazil taylor4tw 
sry, Idw about the new generation... thanks
2018-01-12 17:57
np
2018-01-12 18:00
7700K is an OC beast tho if you get good MB+cooling
2018-01-16 13:02
only 8 threads, no space for upgrade
2018-01-16 13:50
Still you can't say 8400 has same performance when 7700K reaches 5GHz in OC. 2nd gen Ryzen is expected to be slightly better and slightly cheaper, not a huge gap from what I've heard so it's not stupid to go for 1st gen Ryzen especially since the motherboards are compatible.
2018-01-17 13:03
> when 7700K reaches 5GHz in OC To overclock it and not to burn your motherboard at the same time you need a motherboard with proper VRM, while in case with the 8400 any cheap motherboard is enough. Moreover, 7700K without delidding does not reach 5 GHz, delidding requires $$$. > it's not stupid to go for 1st gen Ryzen No it's not stupid and it's also not really smart. The 2nd gen Ryzen might support the max frequency of up to 4.2-4.3 GHz while the 1st gen only supports 3.8-3.9 and rarely supports more than this. Moreover, new motherboards might fix issues with RAM because now you need Samsung chips and nothing else to get your RAM working at frequencies higher than 2933-3066 MHz which pretty much suxx, plus there are troubles with ASUS motherboards when it comes to 2933+ MHz RAM at all, no matter if it's Samsung or not. Taking into account that Infinity Fabric is linked to RAM frequency, you want to have as high RAM frequency as you can.
2018-01-17 14:06
+1 I just wanted to point out that 7700k and 1st gen Ryzen aren't stupid but I agree they're not quite optimal either. If you absolutely need a new PC they're still decent choices (although it's a bit hard to defend the 7700k because of its price compared to 8th gen)
2018-01-17 17:37
Btw, have you heard about Meltdown and Spectre? techspot.com/article/1556-meltdown-and-s.. guru3d.com/articles_pages/windows_vulner.. (look at "Update: The file IO tests have been updated with a new...") I mean, after they patched Intel vulnerabilities, using uTorrent or anything that performs operations with files makes your Intel-based PC freeze as if it was some 20 y.o. PC. It concerns every Intel CPU manufactured before 2018, so watch out and think ten times before buying anything.
2018-01-12 18:20
#39
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Brazil taylor4tw 
ya, sure bro... one point plus to ryzens
2018-01-12 18:22
yeah good luck finding a cheap mobo for the new intel generation... the new gen + mobo combo simply doesnt worth spendind so much money when mobos with compatible chipsets for ryzen are so much cheaper
2018-01-12 18:14
This is correct.
2018-01-12 18:45
1700 or 1800 compete with i7, whats your point?
2018-01-12 18:02
You know that this tests were made at default settings right?
2018-01-12 18:09
#13
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Croatia KockicaRekt 
intel for csgo
2018-01-12 17:48
#16
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Brazil taylor4tw 
Ya, bro! I've said it... As I told, I'll code and play other games too... Have I to chose like that? : CPU (pick one) > CSGO > Other stuffs/games
2018-01-12 17:54
#17
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Croatia KockicaRekt 
Intel is better for ganes
2018-01-12 17:55
go for ryzen because the support its up to 2020
2018-01-12 17:50
I own ryzen 5 1600 and its pretty decent, easy 200/300-400 fps.
2018-01-12 18:04
#19
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France KryzzZie 
i7 all the way, ryzen is overhyped. With an i7 you can game, code, pretty much do everything and everything is designed for nvidia and intel so yeah.
2018-01-12 17:57
#22
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Brazil taylor4tw 
thanks, bro! can u tell me which one and/or build a full setup (1500 u$)
2018-01-12 17:59
#48
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France KryzzZie 
These are the price in France i7 7700 (310€) MSI KRAIT Z270 GAMING (140€) DDR4 BALLISTIX ELITE 16 GO (2x8Go) 3200MHZ CAS 16 (200€) Cooler master liquid 240 (70€) Gigabyte Geforce Turbo OC 8Go (600€) Western Digital Blue 2To (60€) Be quiet Power Zone 650€ (110€) (I'd recommend you to find a better one like a gold one) Fractal Design C Black (110€) Total 1580€
2018-01-12 19:01
for games intel > ryzen for anything else ryzen >>>> intel
2018-01-12 17:59
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suNny | 
Portugal alheiro 
this
2018-01-12 18:05
I would agree with you if I had intel to test it out, but closest I had was an i3 on laptop. Own a ryzen 5 1600 and its pretty fine, but I maybe could agree that i5 and i7 can be => ryzen 5, but needed to test D:
2018-01-12 18:06
#32
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Brazil taylor4tw 
whats ur setup, @OMEGUEZAO? and ur fps? ty
2018-01-12 18:08
There is about 5% difference between Ryzen and 8-series Intel CPUs in most games.
2018-01-12 18:55
#50
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Brazil taylor4tw 
so the conclusion is : ryzen because is cheaper and will have support at least 2020?
2018-01-12 19:39
who told you Ryzen suck on csgo? get a ryzen 3 1200 when you oc it to 4 ghz its more than enough. it beats the i3 8100 and you can overclock it on a budget b350 motherboard as well as stock cooler. intel stock cooler is terrible. Ryzen 3 1200 with a 1050 ti with processor oc'ed to 4 ghz gets 230 + fps easily in csgo.. 1080p max settings
2018-01-12 18:04
#33
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Brazil taylor4tw 
I didnt said it, read the topic again: "but i'm stuck with the doubt about RYZEN IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR CSGO" can u list ur setup and fps here? ty
2018-01-12 18:09
i didnt buy it yet but you can look up benchmarks online pcpartpicker.com/list/z9NBf8 setup includes desk peripherals monitor and such
2018-01-12 18:12
#73
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Greece Poor_Noob 
If ryzen is at 3.1 GHz with 1050ti , and you play at medium setting and not 1080p red , how much Fps you probably get?
2018-01-17 17:48
Over 250 consistently. But why stop there? The R3 is meant for overclocking. With its stock cooler, you can easily overclock it to 3.9/4 ghz. With a 1050 ti and the processor overclocked that much, it will easy get 230+ fps consistently on 1080p max settings. The reason some people say that the i3 beats the ryzen when overclocked because in those tests they are using some crazy gpu like the 1070. If you're going to get a processor like the r3, you normally wouldnt get such an expensive gpu. The only drawback with the r3 is it bottlenecks any gpu higher than the 1060, but it doesnt make sense to go for such a cheap processor when you are getting such an expensive gpu anyway. Anyway if you get a r3, just remember to overclock it, that way it beats out the i3 with a much cheaper price.
2018-01-17 17:51
#78
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Greece Poor_Noob 
I have a r3 and 1050ti , but I haven't installed windows yet so I am waiting. If I over clock it , do I diminise it's life? Also how hard is it to over clock it? From bios or other program?
2018-01-17 17:55
i dont think you will diminish its life by overclocking it. what chipset motherboard do you have?you need a b350 motherboard for overclocking. you have to do it in the bios menu. it should be easy and you can always youtube it if you are not sure. anyways if you do overclock it, then it should be 200+ fps easily on 1080p high settings
2018-01-17 18:42
#82
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Greece Poor_Noob 
I have an asrock b350 pro
2018-01-17 18:50
yeah you should be able to overclock then
2018-01-17 18:52
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kNgV- | 
Brazil WaferSD 
hey, im from brazil too, and the coffe lake isnt a good cpu to buy here nowadays, so, to be honest you should go with the ryzen 5 1600 and pickup some 1070 or 1070ti, its more affordable and easier to find here sorry for the poor english
2018-01-12 18:05
With Ryzen 1600 overclocked to 4 Ghz you should easily get 250+ fps in 5on5 game, but on 10x10 DM you will get something like 220+. However Ryzen has better frame times, so even with lower fps game will run smoother than on Intel with higher fps. Don't listen "couch experts" who think that only fps matters. :)
2018-01-12 18:52
#52
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Brazil taylor4tw 
thanks, mate! Great explanation! Could u suggest me a setup, then?
2018-01-12 19:48
#55
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Brazil taylor4tw 
ty <3
2018-01-12 21:53
You're welcome :)
2018-01-12 22:30
#45
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Europe precision6266 
if i were you, I would definitely go with intel. maybe i7 8700k, with a z370 motherboard, and a gtx 1080 as u said. and for coding, maybe you should get the 16gb of ram.
2018-01-12 18:52
Ryzen sucks for single thread i7 MUCH BETTER
2018-01-12 18:56
#49
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Brazil taylor4tw 
Have u read about a single Ryzen thread developing better than Intel's?
2018-01-12 19:26
ryzen is trash or so I've heard
2018-01-12 19:40
#57
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Brazil taylor4tw 
ty guys
2018-01-13 13:06
#58
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Germany 'ezpz 
ryzen is trash dont get baited by amd promoter.
2018-01-13 13:28
i own amd and its pretty good. running 3.9ghz stable, tried 4ghz and got it stable too. whats your problem intelneter?
2018-01-17 13:09
#61
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Brazil taylor4tw 
any?
2018-01-15 16:53
#68
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Brazil taylor4tw 
CONCLUSION Ryzen setup: pcpartpicker.com/list/C9YwwV Intel setup: pcpartpicker.com/list/psP4Fd Agreed? Any other suggest?
2018-01-17 13:20
why rgb ram? its not worth it unless you really care about looks that much, in which case you should probably upgrade other stuff as well. the heatsink on the intel setup takes away from how nice it looks.
2018-01-17 17:54
#96
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Brazil taylor4tw 
did I put rgb ram? my bad... i dont care about how cool it will looks.
2018-01-18 14:12
yeah yo can spend almost 100 less on 16 gb kits if you go for just a regular 16 kit with heatspreader rather than a fat rgb stick.
2018-01-18 14:12
#98
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Brazil taylor4tw 
can you edit the setup for me?
2018-01-18 14:32
Sure, which one? Intel setup? I can make you a pretty good Intel Z370 8700k setup
2018-01-18 14:34
#101
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Brazil taylor4tw 
Be free! The one you prefer But I cant spend too much
2018-01-18 14:38
Ok what is your price range for the PC alone? (No Desk no keyboard no monitor no mouse no mousepad no headphones)
2018-01-18 14:41
#103
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Brazil taylor4tw 
something around the prices of the setups that I sent ($1200)
2018-01-18 14:45
pcpartpicker.com/list/spZVqk but I would wait for the prices to go down and get a 1070 instead. still this should do, also be sure to overclock the 8700k otherwise its pointless getting it and also getting the aftermarket cooler
2018-01-18 15:03
#105
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Brazil taylor4tw 
is not it worth investing in 1080 8GB? and to compensate for the price, replace the cpu and/or motherboard?
2018-01-18 15:07
getting an i5 8600k and getting a 1080 8 GB is much better, but I would definitely wait for the prices to drop. The 8600k overclocked performs better than last gen's flagship i7 7700k. If you're not going to overclock, wait for the cheaper 310/360 motherboards to come out and get an 8400. It has very good price to performance (probably the best of any of the coffeelake cpus) and you save a lot of money.
2018-01-18 15:28
#111
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Brazil taylor4tw 
Wow, thanks bro! I'll w8 a moment, then... Im going to USA in May and I hope in this moment the prizes get down
2018-01-18 15:30
How long will you be staying for? I don't think prices are expected to stabilize until the summer.
2018-01-18 15:35
#113
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Brazil taylor4tw 
I'll be there for 10 days... Around 03/05 until 13/05
2018-01-18 16:30
I would say 8gb of ram is good enough for gaming right now but in a year or two 16gb will be the norm
2018-01-17 17:38
#72
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Greece Poor_Noob 
Why ryzen isn't good for csgo?
2018-01-17 17:45
Tou com um i5 7600k Gtx 1060 6gb 8gb ram 2133 Tou pegando 290-350 fps...
2018-01-17 17:52
#92
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Azerbaijan Talley 
this is the worst time to build a pc.
2018-01-17 20:36
#107
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Brazil taylor4tw 
why bro? new generation coming?
2018-01-18 15:15
#108
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Azerbaijan Talley 
because gpu and ram prices are insanely high. ram prices probably won't go down anytime soon, but you should wait for cheaper GPUs
2018-01-18 15:20
#109
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Brazil taylor4tw 
Got it! Im going to USA on May, maybe I can get a better scene
2018-01-18 15:23
#114
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Azerbaijan Talley 
no it's even worse on usa, just check out newegg prices, you'll see. bought this gpu for 137euros in december last year newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SI..
2018-01-18 16:50
#115
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Brazil taylor4tw 
cant be worst than brazil, trust me
2018-01-18 16:50
ryzen 5 vs i7? srsly? nvm my bad, didnt check the flag
2018-01-17 20:37
#99
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Brazil taylor4tw 
dont be that mad, bro :/
2018-01-18 14:33
Recently i bought ryzen 7 1700 OC to 3.8 and its so good overall Intel better just for playing but if you want to stream or watch streams or anything while playing then ryzen is better and its cheaper + you get really good stock cooler enough for OC thats why Ryzen 7 1700 is best atm performance/price I was blind Intel fangay like some fags above me
2018-01-18 15:09
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