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Dev1ce too overrated
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Brazil JohnnyBGoode 
This year, the best player from Astralis, by far, was Dupreeh, and second Xyp9x (if you don't count IGL importance, where Gla1ve was probably more important than dev too) There is no reason why Dev1ce should be this high or above Fallen, people think he is better cause he outplayed Fallen one time in overpass? After SK won 3 titles in a row and Fallen was MVP of Cologne where Astralis didn't even play to save strats? To lose to Gambit in major? What's the importance of that game? No one there even won the tournament lol Besides that, Astralis remained on a high level even without him, due to gla1ve being top tier igl and Dupreeh playing out of his mind, they didn't win blast series by luck Overall this ranking is stupid, Simple should be at best 12th, just as Guardian 14th. Dupreeh, Xyp9x and Adren should be much higher too. No fanboy talk here, if you want to shit on brazilian huehuehue you can put Dupreeh above Fallen and I won't mind even if I desagree, but Device is a joke lul
2018-01-13 16:03
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Malaysia byaIi 
0/8
2018-01-13 16:04
device rating: 1.18 fallen rating: 1.13 device major rating: 1.24 fallen major rating: 1.04 device major maps: 22 fallen major maps: 15 (LOL less than dennis who doesn't even play csgo XD) device major champion: [X] fallen major champion: [ ]
2018-01-13 18:03
#51
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Brazil raoGOD 
If major was the principal thing to count then Niko woulnt even be in top20.
2018-01-13 18:11
then what should put fallen in top 5 then? his 1.13 rating?
2018-01-13 18:12
#55
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Brazil raoGOD 
Achievements, rating in big tournaments, MVPs, EVPs etc etc etc. Just saying that comparing only Major stats is stupid.
2018-01-13 18:13
his rating in big tournaments and achievements was enough to get him to number 6. comparing major stats is not stupid, because that is where there was a huge gap between fallen and device. and the majors are the most important tournaments
2018-01-13 18:21
#70
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Brazil raoGOD 
SK 5/6 t1 tournaments won Astralis 1 major 1 t1 tournament won After SL i-League Device and Astralis was pretty ''under the radar'' and after EPICENTER did device even play? Fallen has about +60 more maps played while winning tournaments. Again rating isnt/shoulnt be one of the MAIN things.
2018-01-13 18:29
it was still a very successfull year for astralis. they had the same amount of weeks in rank 1 team as sk had, and that was largely because of device. sk has 2 players in top 5, astralis has 1. it's completely fair.
2018-01-13 18:33
#77
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Brazil raoGOD 
Fallen and device stats are pretty ''identical'' but achievements MVPs and EVPs should have had a difference in the top20. -3 months with out playing -only won 2 tournaments -good rating gets top5. (well we are technically all assuming hes gon be top5, no one knows yet)
2018-01-13 18:36
their major stats are not pretty identical. neither are their overall stats tbh. 1.13 and 1.18 is quite different
2018-01-13 18:39
#88
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Brazil raoGOD 
Where do you see 1.18? i see 1.15 meanwhile fallen has 1.14. Its not like hes simple with insane rating but only won 1/2 tournaments this year.
2018-01-13 18:41
stats in top 20's are always filtered for lan. online performance counts for nothing, as it should be
2018-01-13 18:47
#90
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Brazil raoGOD 
Pretty sure peter on twitter said that offline counted, not as much as offline, but still counted. Even tho 1.18 to 1.13 is pretty close. .05 difference shoulnt make him higher.
2018-01-13 18:49
in the picture in fallen top 6 article it says he got 1.13. in devices article it will say 1.18. the difference that makes device higher is the massive difference in major performance
2018-01-13 18:51
#92
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Brazil raoGOD 
And it shoulnt, thats my point.
2018-01-13 19:04
Achievements are counted less than player rating and impact which he does. If we would count achievements as a priority then why taco isn't in top 20?
2018-01-13 18:30
#73
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Brazil raoGOD 
Did I only say achievements? Read every thing next time.
2018-01-13 18:30
I know but you are so mad because device gonna be higher than fallen. Get used to it. I think that hltv counts a lot of aspects, not achievements only (Elige for example).
2018-01-13 19:13
#54
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Czech Republic davskal 
You're wasting your time trying to bring actual facts to these blindfolded dumbass brazilian fangays. FalleN is a bad person. FalleN is a bad leader. FalleN is not a top 5 player!
2018-01-13 18:12
All those statements are mostly false and he deserves #5 more than Dev1ce. He also has more MVPs and EVPs.
2018-01-13 18:15
#60
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Czech Republic davskal 
How are these statements false lol
2018-01-13 18:16
1. He is not a bad person. 2. How is he a bad leader? They won 6+ big tournaments this year under his leading. 3. If you look at Dev1ce in group stage vs semis and finals you will see that he does a lot worse against tier 1 teams. Fallen should be #5 and Dev1ce #6 I like device and I think he is great but he never carried his team to a win. Kjaerbye and Xyp9x did that.
2018-01-13 18:19
#64
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Czech Republic davskal 
1. look at what he did to fnx twice, look at what he did during the LG -> SK switch 2. look at the way he utilised much better player than boltz - felps, the team wasn't working at all 3. why does device have a much better rating then? if he's not the one carrying astralis
2018-01-13 18:20
1. lmao FNX got what he deserved did you see what he did years back yes the switch was bad character but overall he's been a good guy 2. Felps is a star player and Boltz is a great support and clutch player SK needed a more passive player since they had Fer, Taco and Fallen playing aggressive and SK still won 3 premier tournaments with Felps. 3. Astralis has had the same system for 1+ year and SK has been changing rosters. Fallen has to give fox the awp role and stuff like that.
2018-01-13 18:25
#69
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Czech Republic davskal 
ROFL so fallen is a better player because he wasn't able to keep his team together, made constant changes and gave awping role to fox, are you serious?
2018-01-13 18:26
fox was a stand in felps --> boltz was the only change since felps count play in the major Karrigan isn't a bad leader just because he needed Olof and Guardian. like I said, Astralis plays around device and SK plays around Cold and Fer. Gla1ve confirmed this too. Yes device was far more consistent, but Fallen allowed SK to win 3 tournaments with his clutch shots in OT. That's what sets him apart.
2018-01-13 18:30
#75
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Czech Republic davskal 
Winning 3 tournaments and sucking ass on 5 other is worse than getting to top4 in 8 tournaments.
2018-01-13 18:32
??? SK had 14 top 4 finishes and Astralis had 11 top 4 finishes SK didn't make top 4 5/19 tournaments 26.3% Astralis didn't make the top 4 4/15 tournaments 26.6% and SK attended 4 more tournaments Also when Astralis won their 2 events Device never was the best player
2018-01-13 18:42
but he definitely was the first or second most impactful player. he got picks on ct side and play mid-rounds well enough to create space for his team.
2018-01-13 21:25
#66
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Czech Republic davskal 
So your top5 is #1 coldzera #2 niko #3 fer #4 rain #5 falleN Do you feel like this reflects the year? If there were 3 players from SK in the top 5 they would've been unstoppable, but they were faaar from unbeatable during the first half of the year + malmo, eleague I know fandom is cool and everything, but sometimes you have to look at things objectivelly mate.
2018-01-13 18:24
#112
World RKC 
Thats why he, he turns to BadFallen from time to time:-)
2018-01-22 20:46
device last event won? almost a year ago lul
2018-01-13 18:37
There are tournaments outside of majors, you know? You are either too biased or stupid to bring only major numbers.
2018-01-13 21:28
I didn't bring up only majors, you know? you are either too biased or stupid to read the first sentence in my comment. could be a combination?
2018-01-13 21:29
What about the word "major" in every sentence?
2018-01-22 20:41
look again. can't help you if you don't see it tbh
2018-01-22 20:42
true
2018-01-13 16:04
#23
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Portugal DeathWishas 
Will be shox the top5 not device
2018-01-13 16:20
#59
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Italy steven513 
no chance for shox being top 20
2018-01-13 18:15
Anyone with a little of brain knows Device is being overrated as fuck, only reason he has better rating than fallen is because he played less maps, also in events he didnt went as far as fallen did, the ranking this year is making no sense, Adren also should be above hobbit, but that´s not that big, but device being above fallen makes 0 sense, don´t forget that the site is owned by danes, so would not be suprised if there is a bias going on here.
2018-01-13 16:05
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Switzerland Schwandi 
"didn't went as far as fallen" LUL, in both majors he did. There is no reason to think, that his rating would be lower just because he played less maps. 100 Maps is a big enough sample size to determine a players rating overall.
2018-01-13 16:08
No it´s not because if Device played more maps his rating would be lower, following basic maths, his rating was even higher when he had less maps than now which means that is rating was only going downhill, ergo is rating is only bigger than fallen because he played less events, so in other words if device never got sick he wouldnt have better rating than fallen xdd, you can´t just say that his rating would be higher becausehe never played such maps, the ranking is stupid be honest
2018-01-13 16:11
#18
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Switzerland Schwandi 
Even if device played the difference in matches (33) with a rating of 1 (which is very unlikely) . He would have a higher rating: 104*1.18+33=155.72 over now 137 matches whould resolve in a rating fo 1.137 which is still higher than fallens.
2018-01-13 16:12
Yes but you are forgetting a very important factor, fallen has more titles which means that along the line he played even stronger teams , while device has less titles and less achievements which means along the line he was playing vs weaker teams, if you want to make a reliable ranking you need to count things like this, which they were not on this year´s ranking, and they were on 2014 ranking and 2015 if im not mistaken....
2018-01-13 16:13
Achievements are counted less than player rating and impact which he does. If we would count achievements as a priority then why taco isn't in top 20?
2018-01-13 18:31
because taco rating on such achievements are bad compared to others...that logic dont work sorry thats like when people say pronax >>>> coldzera cuz 3 majors, nope pronax was the worse player while coldzera was the best, its not the same thing
2018-01-13 18:39
Then why do you think that fallen is better than device? Devve has better rating than fallen, he was better at majors than fallen. Get used to it m8.
2018-01-13 19:11
Are you looking at LAN rating?
2018-01-13 17:52
yes he did play vs vp and he shit the bed in the final. then the next major he played gambit and he shit the bed in the semis, like always. every elimination game, his rating is red (all that combined to his baiting and 0 impact gamestyle with the awp=shit)
2018-01-13 16:19
Lol you just read my mind, that's exactly what happens with device. His rating is just useless, he chokes when matters
2018-01-13 16:33
the worst thing is that he's always useless, the fact that he gets poor rating too in big games is the cherry on the cake
2018-01-13 17:33
Yes, and the exactly opposite happens to Fallen, he delivers when most matters I don't know how they don't take this in count
2018-01-13 17:39
device is the favorite player of the owners. do you think his ranking wasn't rigged those last 3 years?
2018-01-13 17:43
#37
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Canada Herodionus 
Didnt play as many maps so he has a higher rating? Maybe if he played for a month you could say it was luck, but he played over half a year, thats not luck
2018-01-13 17:53
#4
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Switzerland Schwandi 
Look at device's ranking at big events: 1.18 rating is really high. I think device > fallen (rating 1.13) is ok. Btw. to me it seems you confuse team achievements with player performance.
2018-01-13 16:06
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Denmark oskarsports 
agree, its top 20 player not teams
2018-01-13 16:07
#9
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Austria Adolf1337 
if it would be only player performance s1mple would probably be above device
2018-01-13 16:07
#5
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Austria Adolf1337 
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
2018-01-13 16:06
#7
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Portugal kyzzj 
true, Fallen at 6th ? joke, kenny and device did nothing compare to him. but, respect the rank, there's a lot more than what we see.
2018-01-13 16:07
#11
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Sweden drakendilf 
Fallen being 6th is a joke, he should def be top 4. Device not even top 20, fatty guardian not top 20. Adren should be top 10-12. JOKE RANKING!
2018-01-13 16:09
#12
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Device is top 5 and should be top. Anyone with a little bit of a brain knows that stats are most important in top 20 players ranking.
2018-01-13 16:09
Cry is free m8
2018-01-13 16:10
#20
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Brazil _DRC_ 
Nice argument, fanboy
2018-01-13 16:17
CRY IS FREE
2018-01-13 16:20
8/8
2018-01-13 16:10
#15
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Denmark ta1ket 
Its not confirmed device in top 20? why u so mad? is it because u sk fan?
2018-01-13 16:13
#29
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Netherlands Lynch^_^ 
Funniest thing that he is complaining about Astralis not playing at ESL Cologne and then giving the argument that they lost to Gambit. Meanwhile Astralis destroyed SK that tournament with device having a rating of 1.62
2018-01-13 17:46
Yes, congratulations. Where did It get them to? Exactly, nowhere. So How is that game so important?
2018-01-13 17:51
#35
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Netherlands Lynch^_^ 
Astralis saved starts to destroy SK that tournament which happend with device carrying them and they got upset by Gambit who won the major.
2018-01-13 17:52
Lol yes, they didn't achieve anything relevant there While Fallen was MVP of blast pro series against Astralis. This is much more important
2018-01-13 17:56
#44
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Netherlands Lynch^_^ 
It's not about it being relevant you asked the question "Astralis didn't even play to save strats?" I answered it. They destroyed SK because they saved them which device played a big part in.
2018-01-13 17:58
So they gave up a huge tournament to save strats to fall at semis? Do you think It was worthy It? Lol It's Just as relevant as group stage
2018-01-13 18:13
#57
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Netherlands Lynch^_^ 
Well they didn't expect Gambit to play the way the did so they failed. Making it not worth it but they couldn't know beforehand.
2018-01-13 18:14
#67
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Denmark ta1ket 
All think device is over fallen cuz hltv are danish, device is over fallen cuz fallen sucks at the game in start of the year last year where device played like god
2018-01-13 18:24
>There is no reason why Dev1ce should be this high or above Fallen I'll help your underdeveloped mind understand. device rating: 1.18 fallen rating: 1.13 device major rating: 1.24 + major champion fallen major rating: 1.04 + not major champion device is probably above fer too, he had an insane year
2018-01-13 17:58
#17
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Germany sensory 
Honestly,for my opinion dev1ce is too much overrated.he can't be 15th+,any one on this top 20 is so better than he.can't understand HLTV site,but rlly hope he don't be on this top. 1.NiKo 2.Cold 3.fer 4.Rain 5.Boltz Only this should be true
2018-01-13 16:11
agree most overrated player
2018-01-13 17:42
#30
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Brazil meggas 
flag checks out
2018-01-13 17:46
#31
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Jordan LBJ 
BOT device is not even 4th best player in asstralis. BOT device = only eco and exit fragger without raw skill.
2018-01-13 17:49
#40
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Canada Herodionus 
Flag checks put with IQ
2018-01-13 17:55
#47
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Jordan LBJ 
Being asstralis fangay means that you don't have brain
2018-01-13 18:08
#98
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Canada Herodionus 
Nt mr sand for breakfast
2018-01-13 21:22
#102
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United States Jamila 
0/8 device was the highest rated awper for the 2nd year in a row
2018-01-13 21:29
#104
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Jordan LBJ 
Did you watch his single game? 70% of his frags is waiting for easy exit frags and save awp for next round because he is pussy and can't cluch shit.
2018-01-13 21:55
#105
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United States Jamila 
Clearly you did not device and fer had the same opening kills per round in 2017
2018-01-13 21:58
#108
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United States Jamila 
Furthermore, only 3 T1 AWPers (JW, pasha, draken) attempted opening picks as often as device Your entire narrative doesn't hold up to facts
2018-01-13 22:03
#109
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Jordan LBJ 
and JW, pasha and draken is not even close to top20 players, same as BOT device. Opening kill with awp is easy if whole team playing around him to get easiest kill possible.
2018-01-13 22:07
HLTV TOP20 is about stats, so yes, device > fallen hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2017-01..
2018-01-13 17:51
#36
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Norway NitroMK 
dev1ce is better imo
2018-01-13 17:53
#38
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Latvia f0rsaken11 
people in 2018 still does not realise how much he is overrated? LUL
2018-01-13 17:54
think some people have selective memory here. all of astralis players have been their most important players throughout the year. I don't think dupreeh has been their best player, he came on strong at the end of the year, but was quite at the beginning. Kjaerbye was MVP of the major. Xyp9x was insane for a good proportion of the year, but device above fallen? no. device has done very little this year in terms of achievments, major win yes
2018-01-13 17:55
Yes, they have always been an all around kind of a team, device didn't shine like people are saying, he was Just another good player there, and that's why I think Dupreeh was their best player, he pulled off in their hardest momments while still doing a good job in the rest of the year
2018-01-13 18:09
i certainly agree that device doesnt deserve top5 and wasn't their best player this year. lets leave it at that :P
2018-01-13 18:10
device remain most overrated player in csgo community.i never know how this guy get those ratings ? He legit have 0 impact in matches,players like dupreeh / xpy9x do much more work than him.He is not a star player,he isn't bad but he always choke in important matches,in comparation with coldzera/s1mple/rain which always shows up in big moments.0 impact
2018-01-13 17:56
+1
2018-01-13 18:05
dev1ce had to pay a lot of money to HLTV.org so that they put him in top5 and Emilia stay with him
2018-01-13 18:10
Mistery solved
2018-01-13 18:19
#53
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Poland morosek 
too overrated? lol
2018-01-13 18:12
I have the same opinion as Olofmeister, "The best player in the world has to be a winner" It's hard to consider anyone from NOT the best team in the world (which was SK 2017) to be the best player. CS:GO is a teamgame though, and it's impossible to get the team to win all on your own. Everyone is dependent of the teammates and this is where opinions go separate ways. Are tournament wins the heaviest factor or rating? I personally can't put a player that doesn't win more than 1-2 tournaments per year (Device) above almost anyone from a team that has won 4 times as many tournaments, almost no matter how hard he carries, and this "carrying" by Device is imo really not a carry, but rather just a big rating that derives from the way he sets up/is set up to play in the team.
2018-01-13 18:19
You are 100% right, he gets his stats mostly due to his positioning, besides obviously being a good player, and It kinda loses it's relevance If you don't win anything. He always kinda chokes in finals. The only one that carried Astralis in some momment this year was Dupreeh But the winning factor has it's limits too, you can't put Taco in the top20
2018-01-13 18:38
Yes, I am just of the opinion that tournament wins weight heavier than numbers on a sheet when it comes to decide how good a player is, because numbers are just numbers and doesn't say anything at all about how these frags were obtained. For example, anyone can easily push with mp9 and get 5 frags every round the opponents are on full-eco while "just" a 2-kill on an enemy buy-round is vastly more impactfull, but looks way less on a statspage. Also, amount of deaths impacts your rating, which means that if you play a very passive style and often end up last one alive, and thus often end up saving, you rating goes up as well. I also think he is a great player, no doubt at all.
2018-01-13 19:26
100% agreed
2018-01-13 20:53
#80
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Norway 142beni 
flag checks out
2018-01-13 18:38
I can taste the salt
2018-01-13 18:39
I came into this thread expecting a Brazilian. Just deal with it, Device > Fallen. Just be happy you've got two Brazilian players in the top 5.
2018-01-13 18:40
cry is free dev>fal
2018-01-13 18:40
#87
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United Kingdom Bowsette 
mad cuz Dev1ce > FalleN ZULUL
2018-01-13 18:40
#95
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Bulgaria d1ppel 
actually he's not
2018-01-13 19:13
#99
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France Nxtro1 
-8/8
2018-01-13 21:24
#106
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Germany Trip1909 
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2017-01-01&endD.. i mean you're just really bad at baiting
2018-01-13 22:01
0/8
2018-01-13 22:01
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