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Luxembourg Nt_favela_cuck 
people saying 87-0 was irrelevant cuz no name scene You do realize cs can be 100x bigger than it is now compared to 2013 and we can also be able to call colds performance “when cs was irrelevant” in future. Every epoch has its own winner and we have to respect nip for their wins they were playing VeryGames the 2nd best a lot , navi,astana dragon and universal soldiers(vp) I know brasilvers are hard to convience but doesn’t matter which era, they still did it. And if some Brazilians say he’s goat of esports, look at Faker and Neo and then talk. Show some fucking respect.
2018-01-17 21:33
China Captain_TYLOO 
but sk fans have too low iq to understand your message
2018-01-17 21:34
But people say stats is all
2018-01-17 21:51
Brazil sain1 
Men, wtf are you talking about, we love nip, vp, fnatic maybe more than you guys, they are legends, we used to go to lan houses to watch the games, if you ask who is the idol for fallen, he is going to say forest, he already said this. You guys dont know how we really think about legends like NEO. We love them, but you all disrespect what SK is doing, and you can't see them that they are 2 years at the top, and stay saying "niko is better, faze best team", no other team ever won more than 6 camps in a year, SK won 8, just they and fnatic won back to back majors. 1 more major and they are going to be the best team ever in csgo. We just want attention. :/
2018-01-18 05:47
Brazil sain1 
And respect for them.
2018-01-18 05:48
You write too much. stop caring.
2018-01-18 11:04
Denmark JustYes 
Fnatic won 11 events in 2015, but sure "no other team ever won more than 6 camps in a year" have a cool day! -VeryCoolGuy
2018-01-18 12:40
Australia iPinK_Guy 
2018-01-18 17:07
Where is VeryCoolNight? Day is over :(
2018-01-18 19:56
You write too much on the behalf of others. You can say "I" instead of "we". Just like you should say "them" instead of "we" about SK.
2018-01-18 12:41
Cyprus Swishh_ 
if OP didn't write "Brazilans" all the time then there would be no need for "we". but he did.
2018-01-18 19:21
Brazil llskll 
+1 I make theses words my own. Maybe we have more idols than you guys. And of course we respect his histories. Like Neo, Spawn, GetRight, Edward, Markeloff, TaZ, Forest.
2018-01-18 12:55
Is it a Brazilian thing to act like you are all one, using "we" all the time (especially about SK when they do good.) I have got news for you: You are not your fellow countrymen. You are just you, and should stop speaking on the behalf of other Brazilians or act like you are them, fans or players. Learn to speak for yourself, and take pride in your own actions, instead of leeching on the actions of SK.
2018-01-18 22:12
fnatic 2015 won in a year more tournaments that sk won in 2017, but yeah i agree, people just like to trashtalk
2018-01-18 19:04
Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Csgo in 2013 was a joke, cold by far bettee than GTR, not only cold but olof, shox, snax, fallen, flusha all of them showed great level of play on times where csgo is actually a competitive game, not just when it was 5 pros against 5 LEM amateurs who have 500h played in csgo Get right is dead since 2014
2018-01-17 22:05
your baits are getting out of hand fam, how much time do you spend here on hltv?
2018-01-17 22:26
gtr didnt need 3 years to adapt.. the rest needed it
2018-01-18 05:25
Spain halow1213 
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Canada Surzz 
2018-01-18 12:48
he didn't need time to get a salary either
2018-01-18 12:53
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2018-01-18 12:55
+1 Kevin
2018-01-18 19:55
-1 (your iq)
2018-01-18 20:01
slave with high iq nice
2018-01-18 13:25
Says brazilians 2333333 forever lg loyal xDdd
2018-01-18 14:50
XD high iq jokes slave
2018-01-18 15:15
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
0.09 never forget
2018-01-17 21:35
VulkaN | 
Austria iVolkan 
Everybody got his bad games sometimes
2018-01-17 21:49
Brazil Grifooo 
2018-01-17 21:59
Vega >>>> tier 20 canadians though
2018-01-18 05:32
Brazil Grifooo 
because Vega was very well known at the time
2018-01-19 12:38
irrelevant as they were still good.
2018-01-19 17:18
Brazil Grifooo 
2018-01-19 17:49
U can't compare a unkown canadian team to a uprising CIS team that is already competing in major against Tier 1 teams
2018-01-18 14:03
hahaha roasted
2018-01-17 22:09
coldz cbble spray, never forget
2018-01-17 21:53
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
cold vs ghost as well never forget
2018-01-17 21:54
Coldzera get 2 mvps of major never forget
2018-01-18 12:41
He also whiffed the cobble spray.
2018-01-18 13:24
Get_Right is still one of the greatest players in CS history, nothing but love for him. He is no longer relevant sadly but will be remembered forever.
2018-01-17 21:36
Luxembourg Nt_favela_cuck 
Yeah but every player becomes irrelevant some day. If u ever watched Neos player profile he said in the end “I wish I could stay a player forever”. Really hit me strong
2018-01-17 21:38
Brazil SucessoEaLama 
wtf, but NEO is still relevant, look at las vegas and EPICENTER
2018-01-17 22:22
ik but in a way of a best player not just player.
2018-01-18 05:06
Denmark JustYes 
by that logic gtr is still relevant as well? Look at IEM Oakland and DH valencia have a cool day! -VeryCoolGuy
2018-01-18 12:42
10 months ago? Okay, GTR just won oakland lol
2018-01-18 13:25
VP year was better than NiP for sure, NiP no major spot, no 2nd place and just 1 tournament won
2018-01-18 14:12
VP just 1 tournament win aswell tho?
2018-01-18 16:39
yes, but still they managed to do well at the majors reaching playoffs where nip wasnt even in major qualifier :/
2018-01-18 17:44
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Yugoslavia mrmojo 
PLaying in a team that is number 4 in the world and recently beat #1 and #2 to win an event and he is not relevant. Such retarded logic. kys
2018-01-18 15:19
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2018-01-18 19:17
cryisfree olddog
2018-01-18 19:59
:DDDD 2002
2018-01-18 23:07
still crying? Sniff sniff
2018-01-18 23:08
Both are nothing compared to olof prime in 2015.
2018-01-17 21:37
Luxembourg Nt_favela_cuck 
Olof was 1 man army carry the best player of all time for one part of time but his injury killed it imo. He was harder carry than cold and gtr like watching him personally was a pleasure. If not injury I would like to call him greatest of all time but sadly can’t.
2018-01-17 21:40
Brazil SucessoEaLama 
That excuse wtf dude, fer had a really serious problem and then top3 next year
2018-01-17 22:22
i said 'sadly cant'
2018-01-18 05:06
How is fer's injury even compared to olof's? Olof could barely use his hand because of the extreme pain. He had to stop playing cs at all for about a month or so. Fer only took a break from playing competetive CS and not even as long as olof, he was still playing the game. Second of all fer's injury had nothing to do with his hand.
2018-01-18 05:35
olof had an injury in his hand and is 100% back on track, fer hear just 50% of the things and breathing to him is hard :)
2018-01-18 14:11
kys baiting cuck
2018-01-18 16:40
baiting ? he is saying the truth, lol
2018-01-18 17:03
thx dude, this guy just know about the teams he likes, just like almost ALL of the analysts outside of brazil maybe except Ynk
2018-01-18 17:40
You have a persecution complex
2018-01-18 18:59
sorry for that, rage controled my body :/
2018-01-18 20:20
beta cuck seek before replying
2018-01-18 19:15
Have you ever had a serious injury? You are almost never 100% back you basement crawling no life fuck. Especially psychologically.
2018-01-18 20:53
it´s not a injury but, i dont have a piece of meat in all my left hand fingers
2018-01-18 20:58
There are no muscles in the fingers.
2018-01-18 21:18
your talking like it's 100% certain he would have kept his prime form for months without the injury. No one knows if that would have happened.
2018-01-18 12:56
Belgium KevinGatesYo 
Yeah, the dude who had as many tec9 kills as he had with other guns LUL
2018-01-17 22:06
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
Whats the problem with that
2018-01-18 13:35
Norway rogueplayer 
Respect is earned... NIP is literally shaming themselves for not even qualifying for the major LUL 87-0 is in the past, let us not waste our time reminiscing about that
2018-01-17 21:38
Luxembourg Nt_favela_cuck 
Cold will be past too I just say we should respect each plauers for their good times everyone becomes irrelevant sooner or later.
2018-01-17 21:39
Norway rogueplayer 
good point, i agree no reason to bash other people for nothing
2018-01-17 21:40
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Brazil vicTHOR 
cold goat more respect with the king of csgo my friend
2018-01-17 21:40
I respect cold but respect for all great players which made the game what it is toda, that’s what I’m tryna say. They made the game relevant and like cold is making it now with likes of Niko Fer and godRain (I like him too much)
2018-01-17 21:41
coldzera: 2 major win 2x Major MVPs 8 MVPs overall Never had any negative rating #1 in the most competitive time of CSGO. GTR: 1 major win 0 Major MVPs Cant qualify for a major 4 times in a row HAHAHAHA Trash in the most competitive time of CSGO (hmmm why? :thinking:) I wonder who is the GOAT hmmmmmm
2018-01-17 21:40
As you see I respond with thought to others but I have no comment to u. Gtr played when majors weren’t a thing and basically brought up csgo as a game with forest. If not then I wonder what cs would be. GTR was top3 player from 2009-2014 for 5 years and still wins from time to time( won more t1 tourneys than cold in 2016 or the sameness amount).
2018-01-17 21:43
Im talking about CSGO, I didnt know CSGO was released in 2009. Like I said, the only thing people used as an argument that gtr>cold was that gtr got #1 2x in a row. and now coldzera achieved that too.
2018-01-17 21:48
He was top player for 5 years doesn’t mayter which iteration he was a top player , if csgo changes to something next year we stop cold streak? I don’t think so
2018-01-17 21:52
what the fuck are you talking about, jesus fucking christ. I am talking about CSGO you fucking autist. If we are going to count every iteration of CS its obvious that Neo is the GOAT. You are clearly retarded, so if you are not going to think before replying to me, dont bother writing.
2018-01-17 21:55
if u think im autist, dont bother replying to thread of my
2018-01-18 05:08
What do you expect from monke.. I mean brazil?
2018-01-18 19:01
United States Texas_nigga 
Cold had a 0.23 rating against fucking ghost gaming
2018-01-18 05:21 cold had a trash rating playing online in a meaningless match gtr 0.09 in a match on LAN in a major qualifier lmao edit: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2018-01-18 05:36
?? ghost gaming cant win vs any tier 2 team, while vega ez 16:6 vs faze
2018-01-18 11:45
2018-01-18 13:28
you are such a moron, or this is a -1/8 bait
2018-01-18 12:38
Denmark JustYes 
gtr didnt qualify to 4 majors and yet he has still played in more majors than cold LMAO have a cool day! -VeryCoolGuy
2018-01-18 12:45
have played more majors than cold but cold got 2 majors and two mvp LUL
2018-01-18 17:26
GTR has 3 majors Kappa
2018-01-18 19:01
triggered by facts lmao
2018-01-18 19:16
GTR best EVER Followed by coldzera And then Neo and maybe Seized in 1.6
2018-01-17 21:40
I bet you never watched 1,6. What neo did in 1.6 is more than any1 we just don’t know cuz scene wasn’t that wide. We know cold now cuz it’s the most relevant it’s been but progress doesn’t stop.
2018-01-17 21:42
I bet you never watched 1.6 >favourite player : spawn. ????????????
2018-01-17 21:43
My bad lol sorry I’m so used to stupid people who think they’re OG abut they are newfags But seriously neo did so much in 1.6 I’d put him at 2nd best of all time of all CSs 1. Gtr 2. Neo 3. Cold 4. F0rest
2018-01-17 21:44
Finland T3ME_ 
Cold over f0rest of alltime ? Its like this Gtr Neo F0rest Spawn Potti Heaton Walle 999... coldzera oh finaly Kappa
2018-01-17 22:00
+1 And it's really good by cold to be top 3 of all time when he only has been relevant for 2 years while the other 3 u mention has been relevant since 15-19 years ago I do say forest > cold in cs history just cuz he has been so good in so many years and even in csgo. I dont personally think 2 years of cold is beating forest 18-19 years
2018-01-17 22:02
Eh actually now I think back Spawn and Forest and heaton were gods too
2018-01-17 22:22
United States Texas_nigga 
Potti > Cold
2018-01-18 05:21
Brazil wdks 
lol uk cs
2018-01-17 21:43
Poland boltzzon 
NiP era = everyone was learning how to play this game, NiP learned it way before, they were even in contact with Valve how to change csgo SK era = everyone know how to play, better teams winning
2018-01-17 21:41
If not nip era the game wouldn’t be as good. And he came from 1.6 when frenchies came from source which was like csgo and still forest and gtr showed them who’s da boss
2018-01-17 21:45
NiP played way before... yeah... WHO VS?? OHH YEAH PLAYERS HAHAHAHA Autistic fuck
2018-01-18 19:02
We living the CSGO peak. This game won't grown more than that. Now we have teams representing all regions of the world, when NiP was unbeatable we just had teams from EU and NA.
2018-01-17 21:48
Now we have teams from EU, NA and SA. What a big of a change.
2018-01-18 05:11
Brazil MommyStealer 
2018-01-18 05:37
It is EU. But expected from SA education.
2018-01-18 12:36
2018-01-18 19:02
Asia, CIS, Oceania, Africa etc... retard?
2018-01-18 19:21
CIS is mostly EU. And yes, we're talking about relevant teams.
2018-01-18 20:24
pls see major qualifier teams
2018-01-18 21:16
Portugal rayNeen 
True we need to respect all the eras of cs
2018-01-17 22:11
Coldzera is no doubt GOAT. But GTR was an awesome player too.
2018-01-17 22:24
United States jaa60730 
the greatest counter strike player is get right beacuse he has been the best in 2 titles of counter strike
2018-01-18 05:14
Sorry Coldzera is best CS GO player in the history.
2018-01-18 17:46
Why? GeT_RiGhT just won oakland
2018-01-18 19:03
No doubt CIS is greatest region in the world and Vega is next GOAT
2018-01-17 23:06
get_right and the rest changed to cs:go way faster than other pro's did thats why they had 87-0 winstreak
2018-01-18 05:07
United States jaa60730 
the very gmaes guys did and anyway a lot of 1.6 pros didnt make it in csgo
2018-01-18 05:14
United States Texas_nigga 
You forgot Potti and Markeloff
2018-01-18 05:10
United States jaa60730 
neo is better than cold will be obviously im talking about their peeks
2018-01-18 05:13
It's sad to shit on GTR's performance, but the 87-0 was during the end of 12 and early 13 when people hasn't all come over from 1.6 and source, and people weren't really used to the game yet. Wasn't competitive at all.
2018-01-18 05:15
United States Texas_nigga 
Potti Spawn Heaton f0rest were all better than cold
2018-01-18 05:23
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Brazil raigor 
its not brazilians that say about the 87-0, its everyone, simply because alot of the actual pros didnt want to play csgo at that time, that's the actual criticism, not because it was in the past, otherwise people would say shit about fnatic era too. they were the first big team to join csgo, while the other teams were with players like dosia and some "nonamers" from source that weren't taking it too serious because they didn't know if cs could actually be competitive again. GTR and f0rest are legends, they were one of the best in 1.6, but nip was taking the best of 1.6 to go while we had alot of random teams. nip still is one of the most important teams in go, people see the 87-0 as a great achiev, but not as greatful as the fnatic era.
2018-01-18 06:11
Belarus gas567 
GTR and Forest all time > cold all time
2018-01-18 11:09
people compare gtr to cold: cold more dominant, on harder eras, survive every meta change so cold is better thats it pretty simple, excuses = salty tears :> cold is just best on every aspect =p
2018-01-18 12:44
Brazil kukuxumu 
2018-01-18 13:26
GTR has 4x4 so it should be fine even if it's Cold lul
2018-01-18 12:48
delusional GTR fan boy...
2018-01-18 12:50
Canada Surzz 
+1 kids these days just disrespect anyone and everyone.
2018-01-18 12:52
gtr should do like poles, play smart, let the youngsters be star players(rez).
2018-01-18 12:58
Europe HLTV70IQforum 
All the teams you mentioned did not have the same lineups when NiP had their 87-0 than later in 2013. Astana dragons did not exist, universal soldiers did not exist until late 2013. verygames had a different lineup and so did NaVi (still playing with ceh9, no guardian). Sorry but I think it is quite clear the competition back then was nothing close to being as organised as it was from 2014 and I think it is clear to anyone who knows the teams from back then. Current VP core still played with kuben and loord and they were a solid top3 team. Western wolves / anexis were another top3 contender with basically all retired players nowadays (Nico, Pimp, Nille). And nobody looks back at 2015 and says that the teams were shit and that's why fnatic dominated, because the teams were great, probably more than they are now.
2018-01-18 13:08
But that doesn't really matter, because let's say the competition was weak, and everybody was shit, then NIP also had to be shit and without experience. So NIP won vs equally unexperienced teams, SK is winning vs equally experienced teams, where is the difference? The hardness(?) of scene is relative, for example is it harder for an average gold nova to win vs gold novas or an average global elite to win vs globals? For both it's hard, but it's impossible to say which win is more valuable.
2018-01-18 16:11
NiP had a good lineup from the start, they did not need to make changes until late 2014 when the competition was getting too strong for them. It's not that everybody was shit, they simply were not as organized as the teams were from 2014. They did not know how to make a proper lineup and they did not know who were good choices for a team. For example VP still had the same core it has today, but they didn't have the young talent to bring their game up in snax and byali. NaVi still had ceh9 playing who obviously was not good at CS GO ever, and they didn't have a strong dedicated awper in guardian. Only proper lineups were the different verygames lineups that is why they always were in the top2. But even verygames struggled before shox joined the team. By the time fnatic was dominating in 2015 everybody was focusing on making the best possible lineups, and they already knew who were good pickups. Even if you compare these players today it's easy to see how NiP are better: f0rest - GeT_RiGhT - Friberg - Xizt - Fifflaren vs Neo - TaZ - Pasha - kuben - loord (top3/5) team at the time) or Dosia - ANGE1 - AdreN - kucher - Fox (Top3/5) or Nico - Pimp - MSL - gla1ve - Nille (Top3/5) As you can see everybody had huge holes in their lineups and on top of that NiP had far better star players in f0rest and GeT_RiGhT
2018-01-18 16:37
You are saying NIP just knew who will be good for team and what kind of team they need, but they didn't, they knew as much as everyother team, the fact they created a good team is irrelevant, not that it didn't have its problems. And many teams changed players because they simply couldn't win vs NIP, i assume. And NIP didn't have a strong awper, they had many flaws, but the fact f0rest and gtr absolutely rekt everybody made NIP unbeatable. >By the time fnatic was dominating in 2015 everybody was focusing on making the best possible lineups That's what everyybody was doing from the start. My theory about why NIP is not as brilliant as it was is because they are older, they don't have the motivation needed to practice and that slowed their progress
2018-01-18 16:52
That's a good theory. My theory on the other hand is that their biggest competition included MSL, Nico and Pimp in the same team and that is why they dominated. Both could be right, who knows, I'll just leave it at that...
2018-01-18 16:55
Eh, i guess you didn't understand my logic, but that's okay.
2018-01-18 16:59
Oh my God. This is the argument ever
2018-01-18 19:48
best or worst? :D
2018-01-19 12:04
2018-01-19 14:39
ouh, well looking at your comments, i am not surprised
2018-01-19 15:41
fer | 
Brazil pedrok 
+1cold is among a list of legends. But there is no GOAT yet.
2018-01-18 13:22
Brazil kukuxumu 
Poor delusional GTR fan boy... So sad for you :(
2018-01-18 13:26
the issue comes from seeing things in white and dark. both are great players, each for their time.
2018-01-18 13:28
2018-01-18 13:35
I can safely say a GOAT is someone who gets hltv #1 4 years in a row with reasonable competition. Gtt’s case its slightly less competitive because they have to pour their hearts into csgo. Its their job and they don’t want to waste it. You could also argue there is less competition now because they are getting paid well. NiKo usually goes to a nightclub after one match mid-tournament and pretty sure a fee more as well. But then again there more strategies nowdays and so it can be seen as more competitive
2018-01-18 13:35
Portugal ron4r 
+1 Not to mention, if you ask cold or any other SK player how great GTR was they'll obviously talk about him like the legend he was. Just like the legend cold is at the moment. The day will come that CS dies, during that time we'll remember "some of the best CS players ever", they'll both be on the list
2018-01-18 15:16
I actually agree with every bit you say. Honestly, it doesn't matter that much if the scene wasn't ready, since NIP forced the whole scene to step up big time. That's why I consider NIP to be the #3 team of all times. For what they did on their era. BUT you can't deny that being dominant on a much better and competitive scene is more impressive, that's why I particularly still give SK and Cold the edge. Get_right means more than Cold for CS history. No doubt. But Cold, pound for pound, is a better CSGO player than Get_right was.
2018-01-18 15:19
Oh, and for all newfags putting cold as #2 GOAT in CS, please, go read about some CS history. On 1.6, neo was unmatched, followed by forest and get_right. All of which ALSO became legends on CSGO. So neo, get_right and forest > cold as far as CS history is considered. The discussion is if Cold is a bigger name than get_right AT CSGO ONLY. Which is debatable (I think he is).
2018-01-18 15:25
CIS martinovan 
This statement is absolutely right
2018-01-18 15:57
Lord | 
El Salvador Marega 
NiP beat 87-0 in a era where tier 6 teams gave fight to tier 1 teams. They found a way of winning when the other teams barely could play tactically. It was pistol vs knife and NiP had the pistol 87 times. Merit to them but do not compare the skill wise competition.
2018-01-18 16:38
Good analogy would be the NBA in the 1960s vs modern era 1990s-current. There is a reason why Wilt Chamberlain/Bill Russell aren't considered the GOATs by the vast majority of people. Same with Get_Right. Underdeveloped scene + the game wasn't as refined as it is now (NBA with rule changes, CSGO with updates). If you think about it, GTR is basically HeatoN and Coldzera is like SpawN. HeatoN best player in early classic CS cause of spray control. Then valve nerfed spraying with 1.5/1.6 and suddenly the game became more competitive and SpawN is the best.
2018-01-18 17:57
Brazil MommyStealer 
2 major wins vs 1 major win 2 majors mvps vs 0 major mvps 2 times top1 2016-2017 vs 2 times top1 2013-2014 with less competition never a negative rating on event vs 0.09 best majors rating by far best rating of all times on big events how can people say that gtr is the goat of csgo?
2018-01-18 19:05
Can you read first and then reply?
2018-01-18 19:24
Russia Sur10n 
TRUE,TRUE,TRUE and nothing else!!
2018-01-18 19:07
well, if you like statistics coldzera has better stats at majors than GTR or anyone. It's hard to convince because it's not true. Be happy believe in fantasy things that never happened, like Alá, GTR, fnatic2015 etc.
2018-01-19 14:42
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