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coldzera > NiKo (aim)
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United States GeorgeWashington 
I think Niko is great but people really gotta stop with the "Niko is so mechanicly skilled". Niko got mechanicly skilled by Coldzera everytime they met. Im not even a Cold fanboy but watching the SK-Faze games Cold won the majority of the duels over Niko. Be it holding a angle, peeking Niko or just taking a risky duel. [HLTV] seems to confuse being flashy as being mechanicly skilled. Niko is flashy, hits nice deags and nice flicks, but that doesnt make him suddenly the best mechanical aimer in the game or the most skilled aimer. I still am baffled with how people consider Cold the best player, but not the best aimer. He plays smart and has insane aim. Maybe consider he doesnt need to flick (when he does hes still insane) that much cus his aim is on point more often then Niko? Its has happend again and again and again almost every time SK plays Faze. Cold wins duels vs Niko and not by 1/2 kills but by +50% of the times. hltv.org/stats/matches/performance/49664.. hltv.org/stats/matches/performance/45892.. hltv.org/stats/matches/performance/51373.. hltv.org/stats/matches/performance/43953.. Thats 14 maps for you. I can go on and on and on. Its not just "but thats a bo1 it doesnt count", no its multiple lan games bo3s, bo5s and so on. Niko is an insane player dont get me wrong, but its obvious that Cold is the better aimer. I dont even know why theres a discussion about this. If Niko is the worlds second best player and Cold wins a huge amount of duels over him how can it even be a discussion that Niko has the better aim? Can people actually watch games, instead of highlights and step off the "Niko is the better aimer, but Cold is better overall" horse? EDIT: Before someone comments "thats cus Cold is winning games so he has guns more often and can fight rifle vs pistol/eco gun". Well maybe realise that because Cold is winning so many duels, he helps his team win in the first place? Pulled up "losing" games and well surprise surprise overall Cold is still beating Niko in duels. +1 over 3 lost games vs Niko. hltv.org/stats/matches/performance/mapst.. hltv.org/stats/matches/performance/mapst.. hltv.org/stats/matches/performance/mapst.. Source: reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/7r.. /discuss
2018-01-17 21:59
/discuss
2018-01-17 22:05
#92
shox | 
Sweden act1vcsgo 
Very good point. You're right, and people who actually have an idea about cs know that. The thing is, those who have no brain are the ones who actually debate everything. Those who know these things don't try to prove idiots that they are right.
2018-01-18 18:02
#120
coldzera | 
Estonia odAA 
look taco's stats against niko lul
2018-02-10 18:24
tako>coldzera?)
2018-02-10 23:06
why are you always baiting ? i mean , you really dont have a life ?
2018-01-17 22:06
thats a weak bait... lads move along NIKO/S1mple > Cold in skill /Close
2018-01-17 22:07
2018-01-17 22:14
That's my reaction every time when i see you posting something.
2018-01-19 18:33
#114
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Europe treyhard 
+1
2018-01-19 23:40
I aren't think that.
2018-02-10 22:36
True, cold is way more consistent tho.
2018-02-10 22:37
#4
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
duels won arent aim only, cold could have a better reflex and he positions himself and just takes duels better and smarter than niko overall btw 0/8
2018-01-17 22:09
#8
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Brazil VoxLibertatis 
agree. i think aim means flicks, one shots and sprays .. cold is incridible smart with himself positions and he positions his crosshair before move and shot.
2018-01-17 22:26
+1
2018-01-18 01:17
yeah i think they both have aim on same level but Coldzera has the best positioning and crosshair placement thats why he is better than Niko.
2018-01-18 02:41
-1
2018-01-18 09:08
#98
coldzera | 
Poland AdiiS 
+1
2018-01-18 20:21
Reflexes and positioning isnt part of aiming anymore? kkkkkkkkkkk
2018-01-19 18:37
#125
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Brazil josue_BR_123 
positioning isn’t
2018-02-10 22:28
Crosshair position is always part of aiming. Are you retarded?
2018-02-10 22:38
#145
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Brazil josue_BR_123 
it’s not raw aim though. Raw aim = flicks/tracking
2018-02-10 22:44
duels dont mean shit.cold has the biggest bait pet in csgo history.
2018-01-17 22:10
-1
2018-01-17 22:24
#62
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Norway 142beni 
+1
2018-01-18 09:10
= 0
2018-02-10 22:40
+1 He is sitting in a corner waiting for his teammate to face the enemy and get the refrag.
2018-01-18 18:04
#118
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Brazil Wow_HG 
2018-02-10 18:18
you even proved his point
2018-02-10 22:30
#129
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Brazil Wow_HG 
No, there were no team mates, he was alone against 3 players ...
2018-02-10 22:33
he was baiting his team to end in such scenarios and faze played dumb after 3 kills . it was a simple spray down which i could do aswell
2018-02-10 22:34
#132
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Brazil Wow_HG 
Funny, NiKo was not able even after listening to Coldzera coming
2018-02-10 22:35
I said THEY PLAYED DUMB but you still proved that cold is baitibg so hard
2018-02-10 22:37
#138
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Brazil Wow_HG 
youtube.com/watch?v=h8upec6btNA 1vs4 EZ PZ? The pressure Cold puts alone on the opponent, is greater than any team with 5 players alive
2018-02-10 22:38
i didnt hes bad no doubt he very good but hes not that goodas everyone thinks
2018-02-10 22:39
#146
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Brazil Wow_HG 
Except Get and Olof, I have not seen any player in CS:GO with a level better than Cold or as full (Support, rifler, clutcher, awper, lucker, very good in pistols) as Cold Can you tell some other player who is like him? Maybe F0rest in his best year, but have any others?
2018-02-10 22:47
shox stewie
2018-02-10 23:05
#154
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Brazil Wow_HG 
Man... /close
2018-02-10 23:17
#9
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Europe vasseldomau 
Coldzera is better in almost everything. Niko is better with deagle.
2018-01-17 22:26
+1
2018-01-17 22:33
+1
2018-01-19 09:09
#123
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Europe Lev1troN 
NiKo is better in terms of skill that means that he is better with every rifle, pistol etc. But cold is smarter and is better team player
2018-02-10 22:20
second smart guy spotted today
2018-02-10 22:38
True.
2018-02-10 22:41
Duels =\= aim Niko still better aim, but who cares cold is still goat
2018-01-17 22:35
Winning duels is why he’s the best, ur not even saying anything new. You can’t prove aim with stats (rn) but most everyone thinks Niko has better aim, and like I said it doesn’t even matter
2018-01-17 22:36
#14
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Belgium KevinGatesYo 
I agree with every single point of this thread. Ppl act like niko is by far the most skilled player just he has some highlight clips with the deagle, maybe niko is a better aimer but it's not as much as ppl claim to be. Also they are not playing competitively on DM/Aim_botz so it doesnt make any sense calling a player better than the other just based on his aim. Cold is better than niko easily and way more well rounded player.
2018-01-17 22:41
+1
2018-01-18 01:03
#37
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Netherlands Maksta 
You clearly are a brazilian alt acc
2018-01-18 01:26
The other day he was supporting neymar xD. He really thinks people don't know he's Brazilian...
2018-01-19 09:12
#15
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Brazil JoaoUp26 
Where can I sign this text?
2018-01-17 22:53
Creative and correct
2018-01-18 01:10
people dont realize this: LAN, spray players > tap players online, spray players < tap players idiots like thorin think niko or s1mple are more "skilled" cuz they do some highlights tapping and shit, LUL on big stages, rain > abism > niko niko only play godlike cs against t2 teams or online =p cold players on a certain level... on big stage finals against top teams, cold become super sayajin and plays at the highest peek we ever seen in counter strike. theres not even comparison lol cold outskilled the best player in the world since 2016 inside the server, by far the best player ever and most skilled player... niko going out palace mirage, trying to tap boltz, while boltz was looking towards conector, boltz had the time to turn around and kill niko LUL coldzera would just sprayed the guy, no chance LMAOOO and people compare GODLIKE big finals players like fer, rain, etc with N1-14k0 LMAOOOO one more time mr George being a respected, intelligent, and very smart user giving healthy contribution to this beautiful and serious forum. thank mr Georginho
2018-01-18 01:13
s1mple is more skilled than coldzera tho
2018-01-18 01:13
explain me how he shits the bed everytime he plays bo3 against top teams while dropping 120K against tier3 and ppl "omg s1mple so good eh eh"
2018-01-18 01:13
because he has to carry the whole team on his shoulders and has nobody to rely on. would like to see coldzera playing with edward and zeus
2018-01-18 01:14
but for example, he cant do what niko used to do niko used to get stomped by the top teams on mouz, but still doing the same highlights :> niko would do fucked up shit doesnt matter who mouz was playing against... s1mple against t3 looks like best player EVER. against top teams he cant even leave the spawn LUL, always negative and doesnt matter the team he is on, always the same :> bottomfrag at major final against SK, throwing away rounds for overpeeking, including one round against SK full eco. #neverforget
2018-01-18 01:18
i mean i know for a fact that you're a shitty baiter and you're the type of guy who thinks he's never wrong but the fact that you talk about s1mple and coldzera is just retarded when coldzera plays with fer and FalleN while s1mple plays with Edward and Zeus
2018-01-18 01:19
oh right, you want to act all hipster, but when you dont have arguments all you say is "shitty baiter" and start with delusional excuses LMAO coldzera already positive stats, on lan, MAJOR in 2015 with fer,fallen,boltz and steel first tournment outside br EVER, a major, the guy had positive stats =p s1mple playing for years but still chokes everytime :>
2018-01-18 01:22
+1 obviously there are some internal problems in NaVi and have been for a while. They have no structure and yet s1mple is always the reason they are winning games. Whereas the whole of SKs structure is set up for cold to get bait frags xd
2018-01-18 01:22
u got it right
2018-01-18 01:22
Cold plays with taco...
2018-01-19 09:15
#45
Nepal TEIN 
+1 cold, niko & s1mple almost on par in term of skills....what separate them is cold play in a team that aimed to rewrite the cs history, a well discipline team & in this team they play to win (ofcoz other team wants to win as well) no matter what..so in every critical situation cold always play as smart as possible..that makes him stand above niko & s1mple...how many times do we saw cold doing stupid peek / retard double peeking?
2018-01-18 01:54
+1 spot on
2018-01-18 02:31
#27
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Europe Vallon 
LOL just stop. Coldzera is barely top 5 in terms of aim. That is NOT why he's ranked #1.
2018-01-18 01:17
0/8
2018-01-18 01:21
#39
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Europe Vallon 
Flag checks out. Can't accept that your monkey idle isn't good in every aspect of CS? Dawww.
2018-01-18 01:30
2018-01-18 02:10
u can only win duels if u have better aim :SssSsSsSSSssSsS
2018-01-18 01:19
#33
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Brazil MommyStealer 
proved with all the facts and arguments.
2018-01-18 01:21
Thats like saying gtr was a better aimer than f0rest/shox back in the days. Cold is obviously a much better player than niko, but if you think he has better aim, not only do you not watch cs you probably dont even play it.
2018-01-18 01:27
#40
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Europe Vallon 
+1
2018-01-18 01:30
niko is better at aiming no doubt i rarely have seen some 1tap highlights from cold where nikos highlights are full of it
2018-01-18 09:16
Perfectly said.
2018-02-10 22:39
#42
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Netherlands Maksta 
In aim rain > all \closed
2018-01-18 01:31
#82
Calyx | 
Denmark PAZTARES 
you never watched xantares
2018-01-18 16:17
Nt fakeflagger
2018-02-10 22:31
#47
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United States jay_320 
This is dumb. KennyS has better "aim" then both. If "aim" is how you break down this game then you don't know much. Sorry. The "aim" differences between the top 50 players are miniscule. It's everything else they do that makes them so good. Reaction time and positioning lead to better "aim". Hell even spots on maps. Rain in bathrooms is the easy example. Shroud had amazing pure aim. Was never an amazing player. Could have been just didn't have the drive.
2018-01-18 02:31
#70
KRIMZ | 
African Union DevLW4LK 
Rain in bathrooms is hard to explain because it's not even like he's playing that position well but his timing is remarkable, in a spot he would easily get traded out by any competent team he still putll tricks out of his sleeve in this position. Rain is such a weird player to even evaluate because it isn't like he's super smart, has amazing reaction time or insane aim, he just plays certain spots on maps at such a crazy high level and exceed peoples expectations based on his skill set which in itself is pretty insane. He's been in a that super star role before and he just doesn't perform and isn't consistent but in this FaZe lineup where NiKo is the star player Rain just seems to have found his place in the team where he can get some shine as well and not always be in NiKo's shadow only like 90% of the time NiKo is like a monolith casting a shadow down on Rain. I would also agree that Shroud has really strong raw aim but the problem with him is he doesn't understand how to play the game at that tier 1 level, his fundamentals aren't in sound and he isn't an intelligent player, he's that typical pug player with insane aim you know they can embarrass you when they get their chance but most of the time they end up embarrassing themselves.
2018-01-18 09:34
#50
fnx | 
United States Shadow272 
Aim niko>cold All other atributes cold>niko
2018-01-18 02:47
yeah cold has mote impact but niko has better aim
2018-01-18 09:17
#51
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Sri Lanka ezfaze 
bad sauce everyone know cold not best Ajmer LUL cold = only good baiter and best of playing off teammate niko = god aim and highest skillceiling ez KATKA for GODNik0k0
2018-01-18 02:51
...is u eediot? fakin bish s1mple is the best aimer and has the highest skillceiling by far. He is playing for a tier 3 team with 3 bots. Niko is playing with 3 superstars and 1 experienced IGL from old Astralis. its like this in pure skill s1mple > Xantares > Niko > Cold Thank you and have a good day
2018-01-18 03:00
#54
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Sri Lanka ezfaze 
S1mple?? :DDDDD S1mple destroy NaVi #FreeNaVi #Born 2 loose with P1mple Xantares?? :DDDD worst bait.. he never play in tier 1 xaxaxaxaxaxa
2018-01-18 03:12
he has still better aim than niko and cold snd thats not an opinion thats a fact
2018-01-18 09:18
2018-01-18 15:19
#52
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Brazil MrJoaoV 
Nice thread, totally agree with you
2018-01-18 02:55
I can't believe people have time for shit like this......
2018-01-18 03:19
#56
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Brazil vicTHOR 
+1
2018-01-18 03:24
Niko has bad spray when he gets tilted, but his tap/burst aim is better than cold's
2018-01-18 03:29
#86
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Brazil VAC0 
#85
2018-01-18 16:25
agree but disagree
2018-01-18 16:38
pure aim s1mple > niko > cold > k0nfig cold just plays smarter than others, thats all nt
2018-01-18 03:32
#59
shox | 
Turkmenistan POGGERS 
TL;DR /close
2018-01-18 03:32
#60
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Brazil R_ananias 
Nice thread with lots of evidence.
2018-01-18 04:34
#66
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Turkey FlannelxAtrix 
No way, Niko is better than cold if we are talking about aim. But coldzero is more complete player, he is better than Niko overall.
2018-01-18 09:22
#67
KRIMZ | 
African Union DevLW4LK 
Cool topic but really there are to many different factors you can't just rule out 1 player has better aim cause he wins duels against the other player when they play against each other, things like timing, position, reaction time, weapon, awareness, recoil control etc play a big part in this not just raw aim which NiKo is better than Cold in, NiKo is a better raw aimmer there is no debate there. Scream, NiKo, S1mple etc are the best raw aimmers in CS Go. Coldzera is able to win these aim duels consistently because he's just a better player his fundamentals are solid and his game sense is on point as well as also being mechanically skilled. I would say Fer has better raw aim than Cold as well.
2018-01-18 09:23
+1
2018-01-18 09:33
idiot? niko is entry and must perfectly place crosshair on every peek ....... coldzera just goes behind taco and trades eZaF
2018-01-18 09:26
WHAT?
2018-01-18 10:44
coldzera > NiKo
2018-01-18 14:40
There's alot of factors to winning duels, like good positioning for example. Winning more duels does not necessarily mean you have better aim.
2018-01-18 09:36
#110
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Brazil vicTHOR 
but mean you are the better player overall
2018-01-19 18:38
Well, cold is a much more safe player, the moment you try to one tap or headshot a guy, if you fucking miss you are done. Cold just spray people down faster than anybody, so it's hard for him to lose a duel, cause he plays safe, if someone onetaps you, it's the fastest way possible to kill, but it's also the unsafest in case of you missing your shot. Cold sprays people down as fast as it's humanly possible. That's why he has the better aim, that's why he wins more duels, because he doesn't give room for chance, he goes for what's certain and wins by logic. It's like poker, if you always play safe and always the correct hand , you will sometimes lose, but you will win a lot more in the long run. But if you keep believing that your hand will come later on, you may win a bigger prize, but you will win less often making it worse in the long run.
2018-01-18 09:53
#87
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Brazil VAC0 
+1 #85
2018-01-18 16:32
#74
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Brazil Collee 
NiKo chokes hard against him. I think he fears him lmao. I remember that 1v1 they had on overpass, same game coldzera got that 1v3 spray clutch. Coldzera faked the defuse, NiKo just had to wait 1 more sec than he did or just strafe correctly, it was pretty easy for him. He tried to peak and lost it. He saw coldzera coming and getting the frags, probably started to tremble thinking "god I'm fucked" Both are amazing to watch tho, different styles. NiKo relies a lot on his crosshair placement to get a lot of headshots, coldzera's spray is the best in the scene. Coldzera beats him on game sense and performs better overall against top tier teams, which gave SK 8 tournaments last year. NiKo couldn't best him, and I don't think he ever will best these two years coldzera had
2018-01-18 10:18
+1
2018-01-18 14:41
#80
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Brazil cadik 
i are agree cold & fer are besterest playas right now
2018-01-18 15:22
#83
Calyx | 
Denmark PAZTARES 
the best aimer of history of CSGO is XANTARES. If you deny it you are either blind or arrogant
2018-01-18 16:19
#84
Calyx | 
Denmark PAZTARES 
he always goes first and gets super important multiple entries.not like baitzera. also guy has the best crosshair placement.
2018-01-18 16:20
#85
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Brazil VAC0 
the difference is that NiKo likes to do one tap. so people evaluate that he has better aim. when the fact is that coldzera uses spray to guaranteed kill. look at the use of coldzera with usp, glock and cz. explains a lot who has the best aim
2018-01-18 16:35
if you dont consider how the team structure and team work can contribute to individual fragging capacity, then it isnt a right evaluation. Cold although is the top-fragger on his team, but still he has less pressure given star players like fer and fallen are there to support him. The team work on SK and the synergy is incomparable to any team out there, which contributes to success of cold and vice versa. On individual basis, Niko is way better than cold. He is the only player who has consistently performed beyond imagination first with mouz and now with faze. If you really want to evaluate his skills, just watch him in any pistol round. Its guaranteed he will make an impact 100% of the time.
2018-01-18 16:35
#94
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Brazil MommyStealer 
way better = lose every 1x1 situation vs cold lul
2018-01-18 18:07
its not an aim map they are playing 1 v 1. If you can dig through data and isolate 1 v 1 duels, where both had full hp then there would be significance of the hypothesis that cold is better than niko and that also aimwise. All I am saying is that cold works with a great team that helps him succeed. Same cant be said about Niko. He has been a single man army for a long time.
2018-01-19 18:31
#113
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Brazil MommyStealer 
olof, karrigan, rain and guardian are bad teammates lul
2018-01-19 23:39
olof is far from his peak. I have been seeing him play, but he has far less impact than he should. karrigan is good igl but no match for his counterpart i.e fallen. Guardian been very inconsistent. Its basically rain and niko being the impact players. And the point you seem to miss again and again is the synergy of SK. SK has the best team work I have ever seen. Maybe because they have same culture or they have come playing together in similar teams. But that is one of the biggest factors for cold being so successful. cold knows if he fails, there is fer who can match his level, if fer fails maybe fallen will get crazy round, or even taco been clutching lately. How do you think he remains so calm? No doubt he is immensely skillful but synergy does wonders man!
2018-01-19 23:53
#90
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Denmark Dr_Bob_Vagen 
Cold has great PRE AIM but not great AIM Look at his deathmatch streams he's average, but in official matches he destroys everyone in duels Great aimers who are not notorious for being great pre aimers : simple, xantares, aizy, scream (the freakiest) Great pre-aimers : ropz, cold Great pre-aimer AND aimers : niko, shox still cold #1 overall
2018-01-18 16:45
#91
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Brazil VAC0 
spray > one tap. one tap != good aim. deathmatch with one tap vs bad players can't be evaluate as incredible skills example: youtube.com/watch?v=l-LKSOjyVFY i want to see him do it losing or playing against SK
2018-01-18 17:49
#95
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Denmark Dr_Bob_Vagen 
i'm not talking about one tap or spray, i'm talking about aim : moving your crosshair onto the opponent doesnt matter if you one tap or spray after that
2018-01-18 19:45
You finally posted a thread against a FaZe player, but for once you used logic my friend mr. Firstpresident.
2018-01-18 20:14
He always finds logic that goes against Faze and their players.Intresting...
2018-01-19 18:41
Ghost 16 - 3 Sk. Where was this match ?
2018-01-19 09:03
#100
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Oceania vwgolf 
The difference is Cold is more consistent
2018-01-19 09:07
+1
2018-01-19 09:09
lololol
2018-01-19 09:10
#108
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
"Cold just baits TACO all the time" Best 1 vs X in 2017 OMEGALUL
2018-01-19 18:35
Where is faze fangays? try to put a better argument than the mister president. Coldzera>all GeorgeWashington>Trump
2018-01-19 18:40
#115
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Europe treyhard 
s1mple and niko > coldzera (aim) /closed
2018-01-19 23:40
s1mple = coldzera > NiKo (aim)
2018-02-10 18:05
#121
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Europe treyhard 
yeah yeah kys retard, stop surrounding me you stinky sk fangay
2018-02-10 18:46
#119
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Brazil Wow_HG 
Coldzera = Messi NiKo = Neymar
2018-02-10 18:20
no one cares faggot get a life
2018-02-10 18:47
#124
f0rest | 
Germany raze_ 
autistwashington
2018-02-10 22:21
#128
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Brazil josue_BR_123 
positioning/holding angles =/= aim raw aim is about flicks and tracking, which can be applied to virtually any fps you’re talking about positioning and holding angles
2018-02-10 22:32
+1
2018-02-10 22:39
exactly, eventhough reaction time is a valuable skill it is not equal to the muscular memory required to do some crazy flicks
2018-02-10 23:06
2018-02-10 22:33
#144
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Iceland Keffch 
Why is this funny to me
2018-02-10 22:43
hltv went wild when it happened xd
2018-02-10 23:04
#149
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Portugal rayNeen 
To be continued
2018-02-10 22:51
#147
BekSih | 
Finland jope)) 
Niko better aimer but cold better player
2018-02-10 22:49
#148
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Portugal rayNeen 
imgur.com/gallery/BPWnv
2018-02-10 22:50
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