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Brazil nicknameBR123 
hltv.org/matches/2318632/eleague-major-2.. >Best of 3 >Grand Final Pick one
2018-01-17 23:20
#1
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Kazakhstan TimaTea 
Really ??? Fuck Valve
2018-01-17 23:22
This way if SK and faze don't meet in the final we don't have to watch one of them crush the other team for three maps... only two.
2018-01-18 00:19
#79
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Brazil Gunzel 
hm. FaZe in the final of major? sounds optimistic
2018-01-18 00:30
hope dies last... so there's that...
2018-01-21 05:08
this is sad, i cannot see SK punching faze with the pooper niko, and Fer making 16/2 in fucked disadvantagedrush with SMGs
2018-01-18 01:21
#187
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Croatia mds818 
just like we had faze and sk in the final of last major, right?
2018-01-21 02:11
#192
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Europe Baitor 
none of them are going to final lol
2018-01-21 02:21
Right now it looks like G2 would beat the shit out of either of them lol
2018-01-21 04:34
best of 7 is bestest tbh
2018-01-18 09:59
Of course not. For example, SK x FaZe: both teams would rather veto Nuke and Cobblestone, because SK HATE Nuke and FaZe knows that they would be rekt in Cobble. So what's the point in play these maps?
2018-01-21 03:08
real champions should be good at any map y0
2018-01-21 03:28
So based in your argument a real champion never touched CSGO
2018-01-21 04:06
This cannot be known since a bo7 major has never happened.Plus if they are smart,they will leave their worst maps to be last on the veto(depends what the veto is tho) and try to win their best ones
2018-01-21 04:32
If they leave their worst maps open in the beginning, the other just have to pick it first, genius.
2018-01-26 15:06
+1, aztec is bestest map
2018-01-21 12:10
#2
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic Puget 
vega gonna win all 3 maps
2018-01-17 23:22
#86
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Brazil SAG1A 
WHAT ????
2018-01-18 00:34
#93
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Germany MyDadOwnsHLTV 
You clearly doesn't know how bo3's work
2018-01-18 00:40
#95
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic Puget 
You clearly don't know how baits work
2018-01-18 00:41
got em
2018-01-18 01:43
#161
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic Puget 
had to do it to em
2018-01-18 10:08
Lul. Didn't read "vegas". Sorry. Good b8 m8
2018-01-18 02:22
currently is very easy run away from insults that come because a stupid comment; all you need to say is: bait. ¬¬
2018-01-21 04:07
#220
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United States Neroz44 
I can know that you may be baiting idiot
2018-01-21 04:37
You really didn't understand whatsoever we're discussing here. --'
2018-01-21 04:41
#224
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United States Neroz44 
I understand that you are baiting, just accept and be happy... -#
2018-01-21 04:42
I really don't think you get what he's saying. Try to read his first comment again.
2018-01-21 12:15
how old are you ?
2018-01-23 16:27
Haha, why are you asking?
2018-01-24 20:09
cause i've seen a 2005 post from you.
2018-01-25 09:24
Guess my ID says it all as well... I'm 27
2018-01-26 00:02
I remember several teachers doing this several centuries ago. "I was just testing you" was the usual excuse :)
2018-01-21 04:49
#258
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic Puget 
If you really couldn't tell that "vega gonna win all 3 maps" is a bait then I really feel bad for you.
2018-01-21 10:43
HLTV is full of so many stupid comments that become themselves in "bait". Dafuq is the smart old discussions about CS?
2018-01-21 16:29
bad bait?
2018-01-21 10:45
#94
Brazil Laan 
wut?
2018-01-18 00:40
bo3 have had some amazing finals. how many amazing bo5 finals can you name?
2018-01-17 23:23
#6
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Germany VeryNiceGuy 
SK vs. VP SK vs. G2 there arent many BO5 played in general Have a nice day! -VeryNiceGuy
2018-01-17 23:24
There aren't many played and sometimes they end in 3/4 maps, making it less close than most of bo3, and so less competitive to the eyes of the public. And by SK vs G2 you meant LG vs G2?
2018-01-18 02:24
#123
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Germany VeryNiceGuy 
Yes, back in 2016 dont know which event tho. Have a nice day! -VeryNiceGuy
2018-01-18 02:25
Esl pro league season 3 I think
2018-01-18 03:11
God the 3-1 Astralis VS FaZe game was amazing.
2018-01-18 07:26
#10
2018-01-18 03:10
Like I said. Some bo5 end up 3-1 or 3-0. And even if we watch some good cs (like 3-1 SK vs faze at iem Sidney I believe), people won't remember it for not being a close match. But imo bo5 finals should be mandatory in premier events
2018-01-18 03:15
How hyped can a 3-0 series get due to dominance? Or 3-2 for being so close? Exploring almost the entire map pool. I love it!
2018-01-18 03:16
I agree with you. Both dominance a competition make a great game. But most people prefer only close games, and don't like a bo5 ending in 3 or 4 maps. A good example of this is esl cologne 2017. SK totally dominated c9, winning 3-0, but it wasn't much talked about later on.
2018-01-18 04:32
You're right, sometimes it just doesn't pay off as we've expected. Member Fnatic 3 - 0 SK? I member
2018-01-18 06:40
yup. SK/FaZe/Astralis/G2 vs some shitty underdog Gambit/Vega/Mouz would just end in 3-0 and not be entertaining
2018-01-18 07:02
And I personally think this is a problem with the actual major format. A team shouldn't advance or get eliminated without playing a bo3.
2018-01-18 07:07
#194
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Denmark xDoubleDx 
I much prefer bo3 as i dont think it makes sense to have a finals that lasts for 6-7 hours, which is the case for a good bo5, i dont know about you guys but i would like to see the whole game and for me that is just too long
2018-01-21 02:29
Not every tournament should have a bo5 final, it would certainly be tiring. But some bigger tournaments should, like last years cologne and epicenter. And most importantly, majors should. The most hyped cs events should certainly have bo5
2018-01-21 04:21
#284
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Denmark xDoubleDx 
I guess you have to decide whether you prefer a good show or the deserved winner. In my opinion upsets are what make a sport great to watch, so i beleive it is nice to give the underdog a chance.
2018-01-22 22:03
Upsets make sports great when it's actually deserved. A good show and a deserved winner are possible
2018-01-22 23:37
#290
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Denmark xDoubleDx 
How can an upset be deserved?
2018-01-25 11:57
If the underdog works hard enough to accomplish what they have, it is deserved. Like gambit major run. Their story starts when Zeus was added to the roster, and it's clear how much they've trained and fixed strats to become a great team at the time
2018-01-25 15:36
#299
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Denmark xDoubleDx 
bo5 still makes it so hard for younger teams to win a final. you have to be like sk, a team which have played so much together they have strats on 5 maps
2018-01-26 15:03
I honestly don't remember any matches with an NA team, except for when S1mple played for Liquid.
2018-01-21 04:54
Lol what? Mouz vs FaZe was probably one of the best BO3 games ever played, and with that many overtimes and all maps being so damn close, it is a 1/100 final. As for BO5... I can remember that half of BO5 finals are close to some extent and are exciting, whereas BO3 finals are 2-0 half of the time and usually aren't even close when they are 2-1. BO5 is a better format for finals.
2018-01-17 23:27
+1 but Fnatic vs NiP Katowice 2015 was the best
2018-01-18 04:36
'..he gets both kills! And the grand final continues!'
2018-01-21 05:22
#15
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Brazil SucessoEaLama 
fnatic 3-0 lg ast- 3-1 faze sk- 3-1 faze Sk- 3-1faze Nip - 3-2 faze Sk\lg- 3-2 g2 Sk 3-2 VP
2018-01-17 23:30
Are you being serious rn?
2018-01-17 23:41
#33
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Denmark HoldMyFox 
BO5 is the best for finals
2018-01-17 23:44
#64
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Are you fucking serious in my eyes? Bo3 can end with 2 maps. How is that relevant to decide who's the best out of a 7 maps map pool?
2018-01-18 00:09
#193
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Europe Baitor 
so with ur logic SK doesnt deserve their 2017 tourney wins because over half of them were bo3s clearly cuz it was bo3 they werent the best of the tournament nice brain
2018-01-21 02:23
Yes, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to say it doesn't have any relevance at all, what I'm trying to say is that even though it's a filtering to reach and win the finals (because you're always eliminating teams in the process, anyways) bo3 winnings in finals are much less impactful than bo5 winnings, in my opnion. Also I'm considering any teams in a finals scenario, when you talk about SK you talk about consistency, so yes they deserved, just like any other team that won the finals deserved it, but bo5 will always give less chance for upsets and will always reward deep map pools and players who worked harder for it.
2018-01-21 02:50
#208
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Europe Baitor 
+1 agreed i was just baiting
2018-01-21 03:23
bo3 is traditional on Majors so yeah
2018-01-17 23:24
For good reason! Exhaustion shouldn't be a factor in a grand final.
2018-01-17 23:52
#67
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Of course it should, it's part of the game, physical and mental stress will be there, at the end of a week with 2 days off between the playoffs matches you should be ok with jet lag. Semi-finals lasting 3 maps and finals with 2 maps (in a 2-0 scenario) is a joke, even pros agree that it's not the best format to decide whos the best.
2018-01-18 00:12
bo5 too long we have never have one never will
2018-01-17 23:24
Dude what?
2018-01-17 23:27
bo5's too long for cs go that's why we dont have them
2018-01-17 23:40
Ok, seems sensible
2018-01-17 23:41
#68
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Except we have?
2018-01-18 00:13
Maybe in future
2018-01-18 00:13
#71
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
We already have, bro. Not on majors tho.
2018-01-18 00:14
Nah we dont and im not bro's of brazilians
2018-01-18 00:21
future events
2018-01-18 00:32
You forgot fnatic 3-0 LG in the final of IEM 10
2018-01-18 04:38
Yes, thank you.
2018-01-18 05:00
I know that it hurt you
2018-01-18 05:07
It didn't because at the time I wasn't following the international scene, but it was ruthless HAHAHAH
2018-01-18 06:46
yes, when taco was a god
2018-01-18 07:04
#39
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Denmark Gugus_Patacus 
TSM VP ESEA invitational dubai 2015
2018-01-17 23:48
+1 but most of HLTV users don’t remember even TSM :v
2018-01-17 23:57
Kostas remembers
2018-01-21 11:06
+1 for you than
2018-01-21 14:07
Denmark wasnt surprise
2018-01-18 00:01
#7
rawriez | 
Norway idiot69 
i wont watch 4+ hours grand final so im happy its a bo3 tbh
2018-01-17 23:26
About time they change it to BO7
2018-01-17 23:26
mous vs hellraisers never forget
2018-01-17 23:27
#37
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United States ItsImpact 
That was stupid. 1 team started 1-0 in the series
2018-01-17 23:46
Was there already a best of 7 match? Can you link it for me or smth?
2018-01-21 05:19
#70
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
This is stupid.
2018-01-18 00:13
#13
yeira | 
Poland SEbSu 
show me the sport in which the match lasts 5 hours. bo3 BEST FORMAT!
2018-01-17 23:29
u can't compare, CS have the best competitive ever, but BO3 still good
2018-01-17 23:32
Tennis can, and it has. And they play Bo5 in every match throughout the championship (in majors), not just the grand final.
2018-01-18 00:02
#72
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Is not like CSGO is the most physical sport ever. Ever heard about Chess and Snooker?
2018-01-18 00:15
but chess usually dont go for more than 30 minutes
2018-01-18 01:37
Talking about series, not only matches.
2018-01-18 01:50
#73
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Norway Fuzzer 
American fotball, chess, baseball, tennis, not to talk about all 24h motorsport events, maratons, and alot of other sports. ( debating chess is a sport)
2018-01-18 00:16
these sports dont last 5 hours
2018-01-21 06:51
in dota2 you play bo5 and it's awesome
2018-01-18 09:57
#14
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World DopphMe0w 
BO5 is fucking boring,i mean you will just sit and watch all the 5 maps?maybe not for major,because there's crowd ,who won't have power to shout all the 5 maps
2018-01-17 23:29
If you can't sit and watch all the 5 maps, it doesn't mean that nobody can't...
2018-01-17 23:49
most people are burned out by that point, or they just save cheering int he middle maps and save it for the end.
2018-01-17 23:49
If you're burned out by that point already then may be you should take some break from watching competitive CS or it's just not for you at all...
2018-01-17 23:50
well im just saying the majority definitely prefer bo3 over bo5, bo5 just gets way too long. i do respect opinion of those that say bo5 is more fun, but i disagree.
2018-01-17 23:52
Why "semi-final #1 bo3 + semi-final #2 bo3 + grand-final bo3" in one day isn't "too long", but bo5 grand-final in the same one day is "too long" somehow? And who cares about majority? :) "If majority is always right - let's eat shit... millions of flies can't be wrong".
2018-01-17 23:58
You are making an estimated guess and presenting it as factual.
2018-01-21 05:03
i did a survey and it was 50/50, but people gave a slight edge towards bo5s.
2018-01-21 05:08
You must have been making a mistake in one of your posts. One say people prefer bo3, the other say bo5.
2018-01-21 05:12
no mistakes made, my first post was just a guess, my second post was the results of the survey whihc shows people actually prefer bo5 slightly over bo3s,
2018-01-21 05:13
oh, you just made the poll? :)
2018-01-21 05:15
no i made it righ tafter i made that post a couple days ago
2018-01-21 05:25
Alright
2018-01-21 05:29
#89
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Europe Eldi74 
In VP land crowd would shout even at bo 10
2018-01-18 00:36
BO3 IS FOR GAY COD PLAYERS
2018-01-17 23:31
Tyloo 2-1 SK
2018-01-17 23:32
BO5 is just fucking bad because: 1. whole match takes ~ 6 hours if u include breaks etc 2. It's not representative - players get tired, more luck and accidents involved 3. Possible outcomes: a) 1:1 - there is like no logical argument why third map should not be the final b) 2:2 - same shit c) 0:2 - if you can't win your enemy's map nor yours, and your best hope is on coming back from 0:2 to 3:2 you're just not fucking better, you had your chances, fuck off now 4. If this game heads towards some top level professionalism like football etc matches cannot last 6 fucking hours, have you seen any sport where the match would last 6 hours? Peace
2018-01-17 23:33
kurwa no one ask you relax...
2018-01-17 23:33
no1 asked you either
2018-01-17 23:35
go fapp on pasha k1d without BRAiNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN xDDDDDDDD
2018-01-17 23:35
#34
TaZ | 
Poland DraggerPL 
He only showed bad points of bo5 and you raging on him like typical ruski when you fck up a cluth 1v4 with no chance to win. But ruski always will say he could do that better. Don't insult peoples with no reason kid
2018-01-17 23:46
ohh first time i see poland with good english nice to meet you brother
2018-01-17 23:46
#25
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Azerbaijan Talley 
+1
2018-01-17 23:39
#43
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Denmark Gugus_Patacus 
Some tennis matches can last more than 5 hours, and some of them have been the best in recent history
2018-01-17 23:50
You couldn't pick a worst example lul, even the stadiums ain't ever full on top level matches, not mentioning the TV
2018-01-17 23:57
LOL worlds = BO5 Finals DOTA 2 international = BO5 Finals
2018-01-18 00:39
"4. If this game heads towards some top level professionalism like football etc matches cannot last 6 fucking hours, have you seen any sport where the match would last 6 hours?" So just nope
2018-01-18 01:08
This is not sport, is esports.
2018-01-18 01:32
doesn't matter sport or esport, not many people are willing to watch anything longer than 3 hours and it's completely normal.
2018-01-18 03:08
It's true, this is why movies lasts 2 hours on average, however, how cool and hyped can get a 3-0 final? XDDDDD
2018-01-18 03:14
#48
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United Kingdom ryb1kkk 
More maps = more luck? Lol, it surely doesn't work like that. The more distance - the less luck. Judging by your logic it'd be most objective to only play one map which is ridiculous.
2018-01-17 23:52
Have you ever heard of tiredness? Did you even read my arguments? Well if you did you'd not reply in such a dumb way.
2018-01-17 23:56
#51
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United Kingdom ryb1kkk 
Getting tired = getting lucky? How does it even make sense in your head?
2018-01-17 23:56
If I used your logic then BO 9 is the most representative option. Good that I ain't that smart.
2018-01-18 00:01
#62
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United Kingdom ryb1kkk 
Yeah, like I ever said that. I said objective, not ridiculously dumb. 5 maps is just right.
2018-01-18 00:03
#82
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Indonesia linekerrr 
when youre tired you tend to make foolish mistakes and therefore the opponent would capitalize those mistakes(lucky in the sense that you wouldnt get such an advantage otherwise) ...it goes both ways
2018-01-18 00:32
#56
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United Kingdom ryb1kkk 
And yeah, btw. What is all that thing with getting tired? Australian Open 2012 has been played for 6 hours. 6 bloody hours in a row of massive tennis. And we talking video games here, LOL.
2018-01-17 23:59
#52
2018-01-18 00:00
#60
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United Kingdom ryb1kkk 
What does it have to do with players getting tired? Dude you are trying too hard but none of this works... Just stop.
2018-01-18 00:01
If you haven't heard of mental effort or got tired from playing CS then how can I talk with you XD
2018-01-18 00:07
#66
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United Kingdom ryb1kkk 
Obviously mentally stronger = stronger in game. Not only the victor should be better in raw game skill but by human qualities too, like weakness, smartness and such. If you don't understand it, why would you even start discussing...
2018-01-18 00:11
and the point with #52 is that no one watches or have time for such long matches if that isn't self-obvious to you then again - how can I talk to you xD I guess I shouldn't cya
2018-01-18 00:09
This is a major. Not normal tournament. The final can not be on the same day as the semi-finals. "c) 0:2 - if you can't win your enemy's map nor yours, and your best hope is on coming back from 0:2 to 3:2 you're just not fucking better, you had your chances, fuck off now" What? If you have better map pool you can still win. Shit argument.
2018-01-18 00:23
Thank you for your critique
2018-01-18 00:57
#78
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
1. whole match takes ~ 6 hours if u include breaks etc • So what? ever heard of chess tournaments or snooker? 2. It's not representative - players get tired, more luck and accidents involved • Yes, it is. The more maps you play the more filtering it becomes in deciding who is the best, plus your argument doesn't make sense. c) 0:2 - if you can't win your enemy's map nor yours, and your best hope is on coming back from 0:2 to 3:2 you're just not fucking better, you had your chances, fuck off now • Why not? Already explained above, the less rounds you play, the less numbers you have to evaluate a team's effectiveness. It's just like statistics, it's logical and reasonable. 4. If this game heads towards some top level professionalism like football etc matches cannot last 6 fucking hours, have you seen any sport where the match would last 6 hours? Peace • It's not like you put your whole body is under extreme physical stress like soccer or triathlon, it's a mental game with physical aspects involved, like snooker e.g
2018-01-18 00:28
1. who watches snooker or chess? cmon 2. You're Brazilian so most likely you watch football. Tell me, is passing the ball back and forth in overtime exciting? 3. well, already stated 4. Their does exist something called mental effort, plus it's not just the players but also spectators. If you dont find watching all 5 maps tiring, and boring then ok, but I do.
2018-01-18 01:01
1. who watches snooker or chess? cmon • Hurr durr 2. You're Brazilian so most likely you watch football. Tell me, is passing the ball back and forth in overtime exciting? • I don't watch football 4. Their does exist something called mental effort, plus it's not just the players but also spectators. • That's exactly what I've said?! "it's a mental game with physical aspects involved, like snooker e.g" If you dont find watching all 5 maps tiring, and boring then ok, but I do. This isn't even a thing, if you find it boring then ok, but I don't lul
2018-01-18 01:06
Ok, thanks
2018-01-18 01:08
#213
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France Meerkat_ 
You must not understand basic statistics, bo5 = less luck. Can't get lucky with 1 map and basically win because of it. The winner is always the better team in bo5s, map pool is more extended, need more resilience throughout the series, etc. And by reading this thread and seeing tweets, analyst comments and such, it seems like people have no problem watching a bo5 series, and in fact thoroughly enjoy it. Lots of fans like me watch as much of the bo1s in this stage as possible already, so regardless many of us will already be watching ~6 hours of CS on a weekend. Your argument is therefore completely invalid. Have a nice day.
2018-01-21 04:10
1.It's just your opinion, and your opinion does not make my argument invalid, but ofc it sounds nice, so enjoy it if u can. 2. " Can't get lucky with 1 map and basically win because of it." We're talking about BO3 vs BO5 in case you haven't noticed, so if u call winning both - enemies' choice and your map "luck" and 2 hours of game aint enough to prove who is better then well, it's up to you. 3.After being in this game for almost 10 years I can quiet easily say that there are not many people who enjoy watching games, and even far more less people who'd enjoy watching a 6-hours of a game. People will just leave CS or twitch opened to get cases drops and do more interesting things meanwhile.
2018-01-21 04:42
How can you claim that more luck happens in a bo5 compared to a bo3. If you start to get exhausted and makes mistakes, it's not due to luck, it's due to exhaustion.
2018-01-21 05:05
Isn't it the same shit? Example: tired player holds top priority position, blinks, farts whatever, gets killed, round is lost. It's maybe luck and tiredness combined then. Ofc you can also lose due to pure exhaustion sure.
2018-01-21 05:14
What you write could easily happen in first match as well. If it happens more at a later stage, it is still not due to luck, but due to exhaustion.
2018-01-21 05:14
Ok whatever. Yes it could happen, but its much more likely to happen in the later game and I dont even understand why can't people around here including you comprehend that the more tired players are, the more crappy game becomes and gets full of mistakes, and coincidences. I just don't get it
2018-01-21 05:22
I guess they should just go directly to OT in a bo1 then :D
2018-01-21 05:30
There is a map of team 1 and team 2, third map in case of draw. Can't get more fair than that. BO5 is just childish thinking "the more the bettah"
2018-01-21 05:44
+1
2018-01-21 05:16
yay, thank you
2018-01-21 05:23
#23
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Brazil vinnyzeraNTC 
Vega vs QB Fire Map 1: Nuke Vega 16 - 0 QBF Map 2: Overpass: QBF 16 - 0 Vega Map 3: Mirage: Vega 42 - 38 QBF gg Vega
2018-01-17 23:37
#214
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France Meerkat_ 
nt Vega overpass > qbf overpass. Map 1 will be inferno and qbf will win 16-0, then vega will 16-0 overpass, then mir will drop 70 kills in the 42-38 game. eZ Vega.
2018-01-21 04:11
Well when you watch better in your comment 70 kills is not that much for the 70 rounds.It's better to say that mir will drop 100-130 frags.
2018-01-21 06:50
#24
HenryG | 
Greenland fak_u 
bo3 > bo5 all day how do you even manage to watch the same teams play each others for like 4 hours
2018-01-17 23:37
#84
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
For the love of the game. I just hype the shit up.
2018-01-18 00:33
Name me 1 major that used bo5 final.
2018-01-17 23:39
#88
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
How does that mean anything? Argumentum ad antiquitatem.
2018-01-18 00:35
Because the majors have always been bo3 and been a "Grand" final. And the majority prefer bo3 over bo5 so they don't have to spend half their day watching the game. Trying to say it's not a grand final because YOU don't like the format is illogical.
2018-01-18 00:39
Yes, indeed illogical, it was meant to instigate the discussion. What I really intended to say is that bo3 is not ideal. Of course, just like any other sport and competition "best" is relative and will depend on many factors including the decided comparison parameters of the tournament/challenge. In my personal opinion it is important to consider between bo3 and bo5 on finals because in order to decide who's the best you shouldn't have a 2 (2-0 scenario) maps series over a 3 maps series (2-1 semis).
2018-01-18 01:02
#28
TaZ | 
Poland DraggerPL 
Bo5 is way too long and can be even boring. Also is harder for older players, where main factor could be that younger will not be as tired as old dogs and then game wins not better is skill but that with younger blood that will be less tired on 5th map so they would make less mistakes. But also game is better because when you losing 2nd map it is not like on we can do it in next but oh shiet we have to do something
2018-01-17 23:41
Expected from fan of old man Taz xD but seriously i do agree, Bo5s are tiring for the players, making them play less competitively in the last maps and they are also bad for viewers that dont wanna spend 6-8 hours in one day watching cs
2018-01-17 23:49
#115
TaZ | 
Poland DraggerPL 
Exactly. When player is tired he makes more mistakes and this is also bad to watch
2018-01-18 01:47
bo3 > bo5 5 matches take too long, they should make a showmatch instead of those two additional maps
2018-01-17 23:42
#36
TaZ | 
Poland DraggerPL 
Like in pgl
2018-01-17 23:46
bo3 > bo5
2018-01-17 23:44
Bo5 is really intense and requires a higher skill ceiling, however it can get very long and tedious. The SK vs VP Bo5 final was like 8 hours or some shit. Im not watching CSGO for that long... A 4 hour Bo3 final is as exciting, but I also dont have to watch all day. Also players aren't so tired of playing at that point, so you imo its actually more competitive.
2018-01-17 23:48
#92
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Bo5 is more competitive in the sense that more matches mean map pool depth quality and create minimize step ups carrying maps, but turns out to be more tiring, so I think the overtime should be reworked on bo5 series.
2018-01-18 00:40
#45
Poland mhu_ 
hltv.org/matches/2305232/sk-vs-virtuspro.. It's an awsome ESL one New York 2016 semi-final Lasted for like 5 hours, i remember it well
2018-01-17 23:51
#49
TACO | 
Czech Republic potruss 
There is no need for BO5.... It would be 3:0 for SK :D
2018-01-17 23:54
#55
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Macau Bent0 
BO5 is good for the viewer but for the player its too much and SK will be in the final because felps will play like a god remember when adreN standin for liquid during major? he plays like a fucking god that tournament after getting bench
2018-01-18 00:00
#96
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Even several pros agree that bo5 is better on diciding who's the best.
2018-01-18 00:41
Too much? Have you checked their salary and the prize pool recently? It's not a much of a physical sport, and shouldn't be a physical problem, except if you are in abysmal physical shape. Mentally they may feel a bit challenged at the end, but that would just be part of the game. Players in the final, losers or winners, should be the last to complain.
2018-01-21 05:11
#76
JORDAN | 
Jordan LBJ 
Doesn't matter how many maps they will play. VP gonna win all of them.
2018-01-18 00:22
#85
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Italy CHEBBOxxx 
bo3 > bo5 quality > quantity
2018-01-18 00:34
#97
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Controversial. Have you watched any bo5? You think players lowered their level considering the rest of the tournament?
2018-01-18 00:44
#98
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Don't see the problem here at all. Every CS:GO Major to date has had a BO3 and there is no reason Valve/ELEAGUE shouldn't do the same thing. It's your opinion a Grand-final needs a BO3, but there are many reasons who it wouldn't likely be possible. Have a good day.
2018-01-18 00:45
I want to have a bad day so you are ruining my bad day by telling me to have a good day.
2018-01-18 01:39
#158
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Not a problem. My apologies. Have a good day.
2018-01-18 09:54
I think Valve addressed this argument previously. They have the philosophy that the difference in results in BO3 vs BO5 doesn't vary greatly. Therefore, there is no point in putting on two/three more maps, increasing costs for the major, losing viewer ship by game 4/5. However, I disagree with this, as you want a decisive result for who the best team is. This is taken from another thread, which I wrote: Ok, I prefer BO5, as then there is no doubt who the better team is (in that tournament). Each team gets there 2/3 of their strongest for sure. It allows time for the players to warm up on the day, get used to surroundings and the crowd. The best way to crown a champion. However, from a viewers perspective, it is hard to pay full attention for 5 maps of CS. I can't play 5 pugs in a row, I get too bored, and viewing it as an observer is incredibly difficult to keep focus. But, it does reduce the chance of upsets which is nice every once in a while, particularly for smaller tournaments. On the contrary, if you go down two maps, it is unlikely you are going to do a reverse sweep, given how momentum based CSGO (and esports in general) are.
2018-01-18 00:49
Thank you for your contribution on the matter. As for bo5 making the series way too long I would sugest a rework on OT scheme. What I dislike the most about bo3 finals is that it has the possbility of lasting 2 maps and I don't think it's ideal consider that even semis can last 3, this is one of the main reasons why I prefer bo5 rather than bo3 on finals.
2018-01-18 01:32
Fnatic v NIP Have A Dumb day -VeryDumbGuy
2018-01-18 00:54
+1 hahahahah
2018-01-18 01:49
#112
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Sweden swediztann3 
Fnatic is best team in world faze is noob niko noob in final but olofmeister is pro player.
2018-01-18 01:39
oh... ok?!
2018-01-18 01:50
fkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2018-01-18 01:41
shud be bo9
2018-01-18 01:53
+1 - Aztec - Office - Militia - Vertigo - Havana - Assault - Canals - Havana - Piranesi
2018-01-18 02:11
retardestest major 3 days off between group stage and playoffs lmfao what is going on
2018-01-18 04:44
More like almost 4 months between open qualifiers and actual major preventing teams from playing with their actual roster.
2018-01-18 06:34
good, it should be bo3. bo5 is too long.
2018-01-18 04:47
#137
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United States ZOOSK 
TBS wouldn't want a video game on their network for 5+ hours.
2018-01-18 05:20
e-sports are underrated and will soon take an even bigger part of the sports and entertainment industry, technology will overcome all of this prejudice and in the future we'll have electronic tournaments like the olympic games.
2018-01-18 06:36
would be great G2 vs VP in the Final
2018-01-18 05:27
The final of epicenter started at 4:00 aand ended at 22:20 See the problem ?
2018-01-18 06:41
I see the problem with EPICENTER then.
2018-01-18 06:52
No delays and min break between the maps A bo5 is EXTREAMLY LONG
2018-01-18 06:53
What the fuck are you even saying? Total played time was 5:40h. I'm not great at math but 22:00-4:00=18:00 so I don't know what you're talking about.
2018-01-18 07:05
16:00
2018-01-18 13:25
bo5 is fucking boring and only nerd would watch the whole thing
2018-01-18 06:45
A major is a fucking major, should be by definition the hardest, biggest and most hyped CSGO event, it's the ultimate event of the year that will basically define who is the best team in the world, only plebs find bo5 finals boring.
2018-01-18 06:54
#145
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Brazil Collee 
+1 we wait like 8 months for this shit, should be a BO5
2018-01-18 06:48
I know right?????
2018-01-18 07:16
#149
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United States STERBENVII 
SK Gaming (I feel as if SK will just totally show up this major and will 2 - 1 FaZe in semi's) vs. Cloud9 (I dunno man...NA pride, great form, the prophecy of Ska getting out of groups for once...)
2018-01-18 06:58
I feel like if FaZe face SK on final, FaZe will take it in good fashion winning by 2-0 or 2-1. Honestly. As for Cloud9, they're indeed in great form, hopefully they get in quarterfinals.
2018-01-18 07:19
BO5 is terrible. if they get to the fifth map the teams are so tired and tilted from earlier mistakes that they play like shit.
2018-01-18 10:11
Bo3 lult
2018-01-18 10:41
#167
hardstyle | 
Turkey B^S 
Bo5 is boring
2018-01-18 10:43
BO5 is just shit It never gets to the 5th map We had 7-8 BO5s in 2017 and just one of them was exciting
2018-01-18 10:43
3 of them in 2 years LUL
2018-01-21 00:30
>It never gets to the 5th >3 of them in 2 years pick one
2018-01-21 00:30
3 exciting BO5s in 2 years isn´t that good is it?
2018-01-21 00:33
Given your previous statements (It never gets to the 5th/3 of them in 2 years) I assume you're a very smart man, and in any case would be willing to vomit your opinion masking it by fake facts, so just out of curiosity how did you get to the conclusion that the other ones weren't exciting? You know, just curiosity.
2018-01-21 00:38
decider map is just so exciting and we don´t see it often in BO5s that´s why
2018-01-21 02:08
You're really good with creating conclusions out of nowhere. I'm done lmao
2018-01-21 02:12
you don´t have any answers that´s why you´re done :) cya btw
2018-01-21 02:19
Not every grand final has to be a bo5
2018-01-18 10:45
Specially the biggest and most hyped event of cs:go, right? Yeah...
2018-01-21 00:24
#172
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Brazil 1WollFz 
SK vs VP or SK vs G2
2018-01-18 13:28
oh ok
2018-01-21 00:26
#175
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Spain akproxx 
faze vs astralis or g2 cuz sk is playing with felps
2018-01-21 00:25
not the point
2018-01-21 00:27
#179
NiKo | 
Macedonia bnjmmtb 
loool.Realy it's soo good b05,but fucking valve
2018-01-21 00:28
For me bo3 are more exciting, and many people get bored after 3 hours straigh of CS so its the best format for the public
2018-01-21 00:53
Given that Valve doesn't give a shit about the community doesn't impress me that they can't make 5 hours of cs entertaining. No effort at all to make the most important csgo event of the year a memorable one, it's just more of the same. "wow! very major! much sticker money!"
2018-01-21 02:13
That's not the point. I love CS, but I prefer bo3 because after 3 hours of CS straight it starts to become tiresome and boring
2018-01-21 02:35
I see that for some people it may not be that exciting to spend 5 hours in front of the screen, but I'm my understanding, the focus of the biggest tournament of csgo that takes 1 week of LAN event should definetely to have a bo5 finals in order to create a real spectacle for the presencial audience. I can't imagine paying a ticket for these finals to have a 2-0 result, to me it's UNNECEPTABLE. Thank you for your time.
2018-01-21 02:57
Yea man, I guess it's impossible to please everyone
2018-01-21 16:46
#190
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Netherlands davin 
lol fuck bo5s, what virgin level are you when u watch a complete bo5 match
2018-01-21 02:16
Zero correlation. Next!
2018-01-21 02:58
#200
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Brazil fuz1nato 
ELEAGUE MAJOR WITH MD3 GRAND FIN\L? WHAT THE BULLSHIT
2018-01-21 03:01
ikr
2018-01-21 03:13
Bo5 takes to long fuck that bo3 is perfect setup, both teams get a map they like and the last one is middle ground so why you all crying for bo5's... Do you really wanna watch a five hour marathon of cs dude...
2018-01-21 03:04
Yes
2018-01-21 03:18
#204
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France TROIIDA 
anders would be a better caster if he'd just be quiet all the time instead.
2018-01-21 03:17
no relation AT ALL with any subject presented in this topic but hey! can you get me some of this weed you're taking?
2018-01-21 03:19
#276
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France TROIIDA 
skoda released a new RS model of their octavia with a whopping 245 horsepower.
2018-01-21 13:21
i hate when grand finals are BO3. Grand finals should be always BO5, or BO21
2018-01-21 03:21
I'm dying here HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH well played tugaboi
2018-01-21 05:00
#279
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Finland Alko^ 
bo7
2018-01-21 14:45
#211
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France Meerkat_ 
thats so dumb... bo5s are so fun to watch
2018-01-21 04:07
Bests premier BO3 finals in 2017 (8 in total) Astralis vs VP el major SK vs VP Dh las vegas Astralis vs Faze starladder Sk vs Faze ecs 3 Sk vs Astralis blast Faze vs Mouz ecs 4 Bests premier BO5 finals in 2017 (8 in total) Sk vs VP epicenter
2018-01-21 04:17
What do you mean by "bests"? What criteria are you using to evaluate them?
2018-01-21 05:03
#280
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Finland Alko^ 
blast wasnt premier tournament.
2018-01-21 14:46
Major final should be bo7.Its so much on the line and it doesnt happen often during the year.So thats like 2 bo7 finals in a year,or 3,which is not a large amount considering what u are winning by just participating in it
2018-01-21 04:38
plus bo3,even bo5 can be random af
2018-01-21 04:39
Maybe bo7 in two days, I wouldn't mind. As ridiculous as it sounds it would actually be the best way to decide whos the best. But that won't happen, specially because Valve doesn't want the major to become this huge of an event, you see? It doesn't differ from other events, but for the sponsorship and in-game content.
2018-01-21 05:06
i dont feel like the format determines how big an event is.If valve really doesnt want the major to be this huge of an event,then they should make more majors per year and cut down on winning etc and maybe even increase the team pool.BO3 just ruins everything.BO7 in 2 days is a good idea,tho doing it all in 1 whole day can work good aswell for viewers,especially if it is during a weekend
2018-01-21 05:54
Plus yeah,it doesnt differ from other events so much in terms of sponsorship and in-game content,but its considered the biggest event not only because its sponsored by valve,but because all the best teams in the world attend it and actually give their best to win it.The competition it brings is a joy to watch.Its not like some other mid-tier event sponsored by some scammer gambling site which doesnt matter if u win or nah,like big teams generally care and prepare best for the major,not the other events(thats how i feel like)
2018-01-21 06:00
c9 navi final ez
2018-01-21 05:21
#251
fnx | 
France ntBait 
I pick " "
2018-01-21 05:37
7 maps in the map pool but you only have to know and win on two to win the grand final, sad indeed
2018-01-21 06:45
Major Final is and was always a BO3 why change it? BO5 taking too long
2018-01-21 10:48
#267
JORDAN | 
Jordan LBJ 
Addicted kids don't having life beside cs so they want to watch fucking bo5 to fill their boring day. Sad.
2018-01-21 11:02
You forgot mentioning device wtf
2018-01-25 09:32
bo3 >>>>>>>>>> bo5
2018-01-21 12:17
bo7 groups and 3xbo7 finals
2018-01-21 12:18
+1
2018-01-25 11:58
BO5s are too tiring for players and viewers.
2018-01-21 12:19
they most epic encounters are usually bo5 Too tiring? They have 1 game of 5 maps maximum on 1 day ... they can handle it
2018-01-25 11:59
wdym back in my day it was bo3 for all the best majors ever. Bo5 is fucking retarded and boring
2018-01-21 16:48
#295
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Czech Republic davskal 
EXACTLY
2018-01-25 12:27
naaaaaah I was hoping it would be a BO5
2018-01-25 11:58
I think final should be in this order Wingman Flying scoutmans, Guns game, Demolition, Aim_map
2018-01-25 12:05
who the fuck cares man, this game is seriously on the way out
2018-01-25 15:37
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