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Why kennyS is the Greatest awper of all time
SmithZz | 
Belgium Chuckyyyy 
People have always been trying to compare the tier 1 awpers to kennyS. In 2014 it was him and JW In 2015 it was kennyS vs Guardian in 2016 kennyS vs Fallen in 2017 still kennyS vs Fallen But for exemple he had years when he wasn't the best, like in 2015 and 2016 when it was Guardian and Fallen but the difference between all these awpers to kennyS is that the French Awper has always been consistent throught the years. #12 best player of 2013 #6 best player of 2014 ( with the highest rating of the year ) #6 best player of 2015 #13 best player of 2016 ( with his team in a huge slump ) #7 best player of 2017
2018-01-18 17:39
He isn't. Good bye.
2018-01-18 17:39
Comment without arguments, bye
2018-01-18 17:41
No arguments for that kind of shit.
2018-01-18 17:41
#15
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Lithuania Mzeris 
uh
2018-01-18 17:47
You wanted me to say s1mple or Fallen maybe ? rofl
2018-01-18 17:47
you dont need any arguments to say why he is best awper. If fallen/guardian are higher than kenny it does not mean that they are better awpers + guardian is not even top 5 awp
2018-01-18 18:08
Wait what ? Guardian is top 2 of all time bro
2018-01-18 18:10
GuardiaN not even top 5? LMAO go kill yourself dude. GuardiaN is always top 2-3 awper And you cant say that GuardiaN is awfull awper he was carrying Navi for years. Yeah he had bad year this time but he will come back stronger :)
2018-01-18 19:07
Thats great that he was carrying. Its like if I would say get right is not even top 20 player and you would drop "get right was carrying nip". Right now guardian has probably the lowest impact rating with an awp
2018-01-19 01:12
#232
lover | 
Other Gala0 
Never heard so much shit, do you actually think before saying? Do you look for facts? It seems your argumentation is based on guesswork He has the highest awp kills/ round among all awpers in 2017
2018-01-19 01:18
guardian literally just carried faze in the Sydney final are you baiting
2018-05-17 02:35
2018-01-19 02:12 buy a brain fucktard
2018-05-17 18:32
sorry, in 1-19 guardian was carrying in major instead of sydney
2018-05-17 21:23
#59
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
How idiotically arrogant of you. You can disagree with his opinion, or you can state your own - arguments optional. Have a good day.
2018-01-18 18:02
Is this the real jonty? Not trying to offend, but jonty usually has an NiP fan logo
2018-01-21 03:42
yes it's the real
2018-01-21 04:32
ah i see this is a necropost. from me to the grave: fuck off jonty
2018-05-17 23:10
SkaLULdle fanboy spotted
2018-01-18 18:30
kennyS is one of the best AWPers in the world and you make it sound like he isn’t even relatively close, who is?
2018-01-18 18:48
trash
2018-01-18 17:53
Who is the greatest awper then?
2018-01-18 17:55
#63
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Malta Gotenhafen 
Pasha ofc. Maybe Worldedit.
2018-01-18 18:05
#321
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Russia ez4u 
You forgot fifflaren and solek.
2018-02-17 05:04
you forgot sixer and smithzz
2018-04-02 04:19
#336
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Russia ez4u 
I highly doubt that someone can break Solek's famous score which is -1/20.
2018-04-02 13:02
Wait what? :D Do you have a link?
2018-05-17 18:40
#66
gody | 
Sweden Sanfan97 
it's between him and Guardian, always has been in the long run...
2018-01-18 18:07
Fallen has much more time played than both, being several times world champ in 1.6. But he joined csgo spotlights very late
2018-01-18 18:23
#167
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Kennys is still better. Yeah fallen has 2 majors but kennys also was mvp in Cluj napoca plus he was top tier player since 2013 and fallen only really came onto the scene as a top player at the late 2015
2018-01-18 19:09
+1
2018-01-19 18:19
#219
FalleN | 
France nyygma 
Guardian OMEGALUL In my opinion it's FalleN the best right now, and KennyS is VERY CLOSE behind him
2018-01-18 20:39
#251
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Canada gaaagnon 
Honestly, FalleN is good because he in game leads as well. Doing both is a massive challenge even more than people give him credit for. As a dedicated awper though, of ALL time, Guardian has to be #1. Every pro has had slumps. But you're talking of ALL TIME. I have to go with Guardian.
2018-01-19 02:14
You say that but you realize hes playing with a top 3 entry fragger top 3 support and the best player in the world... he's micromanaging a lot less than you think
2018-01-19 04:21
#276
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Canada gaaagnon 
Again I put a lot of emphasis on being the Gratest of ALL time. At the moment he's not the best awper and I agree with everything you just said, but of ALL TIME I think Guardian has shown more than any other in terms of Awp skills
2018-01-20 02:18
I dont know how you can put him below guardian there's only been one year where he has been outright better than Kenny
2018-01-20 02:38
right now ? are u drunk?
2018-06-08 00:37
allu ofc wtf
2018-01-20 02:24
#102
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Israel JewishBoy 
He is
2018-01-18 18:26
Americans on hltv are autistic Bye
2018-01-18 20:55
#2
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
He isnt
2018-01-18 17:40
Tell me more then
2018-01-18 17:41
#67
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
kennys is actually the most consistence player of csgo history, not only the best awp i will make a thread proving it tomorow, wait for it
2018-01-18 18:07
Alright
2018-01-18 18:08
He isn't.
2018-01-18 17:41
Ok s1mple
2018-01-18 17:46
#17
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Lithuania Mzeris 
what
2018-01-18 17:47
edward is the problem
2018-01-18 20:05
2016 it was FalleN x GuardiaN tbh...
2018-01-18 17:42
Guardian was not that good in 2016
2018-01-18 17:46
Yeah, winning tournments and major finalist while Kenny...........................
2018-01-18 17:53
Sure, and with all these achievements Guardian only placed #17 while Kenny was #13
2018-01-18 18:00
HLTV ranking. Lul. Look at Thooorin's ranking of 2016.
2018-01-18 18:04
Hltv ranking are based on achievements, and Kenny didn't win anything in 2016, at least nothing relevant Guardian won ESL One New York, made 1 major final etc But Kenny Still got a better ranking than him
2018-01-18 18:14
#69
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Malta Gotenhafen 
I agree with you that KennyS isdon't the best AWPer in the world, but this guy is right, in 2016 Kenny had I think the worst year in his career. Guardian/Fallen were better. But now they aren't.
2018-01-18 18:08
It's debatable, i agree with your opinion but i still think kennyS was better than Guardian in 2016
2018-01-18 18:12
#96
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Malta Gotenhafen 
I don't crearly remember how Guardian was doing that times (only these sick boosts on overpass), so I can't disagree.
2018-01-18 18:25
WTFFFFFFFFF, Navi in the beginning of the year ? cant you remember?
2018-01-18 18:47
#171
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
So we going to base players performance on 1/4 of the year ? After the start guardian dropped so much.
2018-01-18 19:12
He's the best awper in the world, Fallen is a better PLAYER than kenny though
2018-01-18 19:25
#228
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Malta Gotenhafen 
Yes, imo FalleN is the best igl now and he would in my superteam as igl. But in skill Kenny wins on every aspect. Fallen is more waluable in team.
2018-01-18 23:01
was fallen vs guardian my friend
2018-01-18 18:46
#8
shox | 
France Leskines 
Of course he is , the guy say fallen or Guardian is better than him dont know the scene
2018-01-18 17:44
FalleN only showed up late in cs:go while kennyS was rekting some pussies
2018-01-18 17:50
+1
2018-04-02 13:17
you think skadoodle is best awper? or guardian because you watch the faze youtubers?
2018-04-06 02:51
+1 anyone who disagrees is crazy tbh
2018-01-18 18:44
#149
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Germany VeryNiceGuy 
+1 Have a nice day! -VeryNiceGuy
2018-01-18 18:55
+1
2018-01-18 19:18
+1
2018-01-19 02:18
+1
2018-06-16 04:04
Dont care about overrated awpers from irrelevant t2 teams
2018-01-18 17:45
xd
2018-01-18 17:46
G2 was actually good back then
2018-01-19 04:23
Tbh they're having the best results G2 ever had at this major atm
2018-01-21 04:37
"Why kennyS is the Greatest awper of all time" Stop reading it at "all time" Everyone knows, that the best awper of all time is markeloff.
2018-01-18 17:47
Well i mean in Cs:go
2018-01-18 17:48
Well then, the best AWPer in CS:GO is choice between kappaS and GloweN noKappa
2018-01-18 17:49
+99999
2018-01-18 17:49
or wallenberg or cogu
2018-01-19 02:20
markeloff was only really good for like 1.5 year and the scene was 10 times smaller
2018-04-06 02:59
#23
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
1. FalleN 2. KennyS 3. GuardiaN /closed
2018-01-18 17:49
Fallen is certainly the best overall player cause IGL+ AWP but he isn't the bes AWPer. + he only shines since 2 years, because team is top cause of COldzera
2018-01-18 17:51
2-GuardiaN
2018-01-18 17:52
If kenny 1 and Fallen 3, yes.
2018-01-18 17:54
#52
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
fallen 3 LUL bad bait
2018-01-18 17:59
Fallen is definatly number 2. It's just that guardian won't be anywhere close to the number 2 spot as long as kenny and fallen play.
2018-01-18 18:01
For all time,GuardiaN should be 2nd.GuardiaN was good all the way betwen 2013,2014-now on other hand FALLEN became good in late 2015,2016-now.All time best awpers 1.kennyS 2.GuardiaN 3.FALLEN right now best awpers 1.should be FALLEN but it's not because he is playing that amazing It's more because kennyS is struggling 2.kennyS but he used to struggle last month soo maybe vene GuardiaN can replace 3.guardiaN,can be 1st If he continue to play how he played in the finnals versus SK and how he played overall this Major.
2018-01-21 03:17
stop overrating fallen, awping both guardian and kenny is better than him
2018-01-18 18:22
#41
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
why guardian is not top 2 awper for me??? Answer : Inconsistency GuardiaN are playing well on faze, but on navi he have a rollercoaster of moments, bad moments and good moments, so inconsistent
2018-01-18 17:54
Where was Fallen in 2012,2013, 2014 and 2015 tho
2018-01-18 17:52
Brazil was a dead scene in those years. It's one of the biggest scenarios now a days because of FalleN (And LG guys). FalleN started playing t1 tournaments in 2k16, and he's on the top since then. Above kenny, btw.
2018-01-18 17:56
#48
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
he was a legend on cs 1.6 man search for some plays of fallen on 1.6 :D
2018-01-18 17:57
Sure, but where was he in Cs:go in 2013,2014,2015 ?
2018-01-18 18:01
#99
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
yeah, KaBuM and Keyd Stars
2018-01-18 18:26
#100
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
and LG
2018-01-18 18:26
I mean was he playing tier 1 events ?
2018-01-18 18:27
#108
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
hltv.org/news/22446/top-20-players-of-20.. read this topic, in this topic have the history of FalleN on Kabum and Keyd Stars in Kabum and Keyd, he beated Cloud9 and Dignitas (now Astralis)
2018-01-18 18:29
Why wasn't he in top 20 players of that years then
2018-01-18 18:32
#117
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
no, Brazilian scene in 2013 and 2014 is a dead scene, in 2015 FalleN go to LG and win the Major in Luminosity Gaming. but in 2016 and 2017, if im not wrong, he is on the top 20 in the 2 years.
2018-01-18 18:35
#172
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
kennys is top 20 in 4 years plus he has a major mvp. Your point ?
2018-01-18 19:14
#110
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
and he beated Games Academy, team of Coldzera and TACO after joining LG and SK respectively.
2018-01-18 18:31
In 2015 he played all 3 majors of the year reaching quarters in all 3. Just saying, not disagreeing with your opinion.
2018-01-18 18:34
I agree for the majors, but not about the rest
2018-01-18 18:36
#121
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Brazil DiegoXPG 
yeah :D thanks for complaining B)
2018-01-18 18:36
Cause he is
2018-01-18 17:50
Yes
2018-01-18 17:52
he isn't just the greatest awper, he is the greatest csgo player of all time. no other player has performed at an elite level throughout csgo
2018-01-18 17:50
#33
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Norway anMu 
lmao, tryhard more bait
2018-01-18 17:52
i wouldn't say he's the best but he's one of the most consistent player in cs:go
2018-01-18 17:53
who's better
2018-01-18 17:53
Hard to choose. If Cold keeps this performance in 2018 he'll be the GOAT of cs:go for sure
2018-01-18 17:54
I dont think someone who literally only relevant for 2 / 6 years can not be goat, no matter how sick these 2 years would be ... even in 2018, it would be 3 / 7, i cant call someone GOAT when he didnt even exist for 60% of the time of csgo, even if ppl argue with the skill level in the beginning.
2018-01-18 19:39
No one has ever been 2 times MVP of a major in a row in Cs:Go history No one Got so many MVP awards in a year in Cs:go History And he would be the first guy to be #1 in the world if he does it again. It's for me some good arguments to say that Cold is the GOAT of all time
2018-01-18 19:42
HHAHAHA Seriously, you made me laugh too hard now. Thank you.
2018-01-18 17:53
This isn't false at all, nobody else comes to my mind when i think of a highlight player in every year besides kennyS.
2018-01-18 18:01
#35
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Poland Send 
your mouth smells bad omg
2018-01-18 17:53
i cleaned my teeths this morning and afternoon so i don't know why you're saying this bro
2018-01-18 17:55
#46
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Poland Send 
so why u are able to say such shlt?
2018-01-18 17:56
I did not know that people could get sh*t out of their mouth
2018-01-18 17:58
#51
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Poland Send 
you can
2018-01-18 17:58
Well sorry but i'm not a can
2018-04-08 04:14
#45
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Brazil baitermeister 
static.hltv.org/images/bigflags/30x20/BE.. Expected from France wannabe
2018-01-18 17:55
Expected reply from someone in Brazil tbh you're not the first
2018-01-18 17:58
Just kidding mate, I know that it's not true at all. you're netherlands wannabe
2018-01-19 00:49
xD
2018-01-19 01:25
If you only look at his flicks... maybe yes.
2018-01-18 17:59
I just showed facts, is it hard to understand ?
2018-01-18 18:02
Not trying to underestimate kenny, he is indeed a very good awper, but he doesn't have as much tournaments/victories as GuardiaN and FalleN.
2018-01-18 18:04
Bruh it doesn't mean anything, to your logic Taco is better than NBK ? ( kennyS won way more than Guardian tho )
2018-01-18 18:07
So FalleN and GuardiaN are shit skillwise? Retard. You should consider skillwise, consistency AND tournaments to determinate an GOAT.
2018-01-18 18:08
#79
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United States _waterrr 
Ofc that's why Olof is the GOAT for what he did 2013-2015
2018-01-18 18:17
#82
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United States _waterrr 
kennyS is still top 5 all time in CSGO; at least he has a Major and a Major MVP Medal. GuardiaN doesn't have one neither does Device or FalleN
2018-01-18 18:20
Yes TACO is better than NBK, cus NBK killed the french scene what could have been really good
2018-04-02 06:09
#60
suNny | 
Finland iPaZ 
wait wtf i thought he was like top 2 or 3 in 2015
2018-01-18 18:03
Nope, Guardian was top 2 and kennyS was top 6
2018-01-18 18:05
#71
bodyy | 
Czech Republic cortan 
+1 , but spring-Summer 2k14 was really tragedy ...
2018-01-18 18:08
what do you mean?
2018-01-19 01:50
#275
bodyy | 
Czech Republic cortan 
Statistics, and just watching his match, he was really bad in this time . but it was probbably because transport to G2 ..
2018-01-19 18:51
#74
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Well I still think GuardiaN is the fastest AWP'er to date and he was the second best player in the world in 2016. KennyS had one of the biggest, most dominant peaks in CS:GO history besides flusha; I think he's the worlds most consistent AWP'er in terms of KDR and impact with the AWP. I would agree in saying he is one of the "BOAT" AWP'ers of CS:GO, but in the later years of CS:GO 2015/2016 it was JW, GuardiaN and FalleN overall. KEnnyS was a god in 2014 and had a return even now, but was never truly the absolute star he was unlike 2014. My opinion anyway. Facts state he is rating as one of the highest, but it was 2014 when he was the absolute best, currently he had a return aside GuardiaN who are both behind FalleN in terms of ranking.
2018-01-18 18:11
IIRC kennyS peak was in 2015 pre awp nerf not in 2016.
2018-01-18 18:18
Guardian is for me the 2nd best awper of all time, the reason i think this is his inconsistency. I'm don't agree about your opinion in 2015 tho, kennyS was maybe not the beast he was in 2014 but he was still a consistent awper that could carry his team at any moment. Fallen is 3rd for me due to the fact he only showed up late in Cs:go
2018-01-18 18:20
#264
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Well this a good opinion, but your quote here: "In 2015 it was kennyS vs Guardian" <-- In 2015 it was GuardiaN versus JW. Fnatic were the best team in the world through all of 2015, yet GuardiaN was considered the best AWP'er in the world and had the stats to prove it. KennyS became the best again when he achieved his first CS:GO Major at Cluj-Napoca - ultimately destroying fnatic in a way that had never been seen before.
2018-01-19 04:13
I mean, ok in terms of tournaments win in 2015 JW outclassed kennyS, but in terms of skill people always referred to kennyS and his dominance
2018-01-21 04:45
"he [GuardiaN] was the second best player in the world in 2016." I think you mean 2015
2018-01-18 19:21
#262
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Yeah 2015, not 2016. Olofmeister was first and GuardiaN was second. FalleN was the second-best player of 2016. My apologies. ^^
2018-01-19 04:07
guardian top 2 from 2015 fallen top 2 from 2016
2018-01-19 01:27
#263
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Post #262 - a terrible typo on my part, my apologies. Thank you for the correction and have a good day. :)
2018-01-19 04:08
no problem have a good day
2018-01-19 13:48
#282
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Netherlands EJVN 
Whoever calls Guardian a "faster" awper than kennyS, either he/she doesn't know what "fast" means or he/she is just CS ignorant. Kenny is more agressive, can flick better than anyone else and is a better awper when the situation becomes chaotic. That's something that both kenny and fallen surpass GuardiaN in my opinion, however, in terms of aim and consistency in hitting shots, I give the slight edge to GuardiaN. Kenny is the greatest awper in CSGO, with GuardiaN being no.2.
2018-01-20 03:26
#285
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
According to your opinion, which will be respected. Your speculations aside, opinions are fun and it's what divides the world apart. Have a good day.
2018-01-20 23:29
#286
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Netherlands EJVN 
It's not an opinion when I say that kennyS is faster than GuardiaN, it's a fact. Opinions could be made who is a better overall, as both come pretty close.
2018-01-20 23:48
#287
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
No it isn't fact, it's an opinion. I disagree and you do not, that is being opinionated.
2018-01-21 00:11
#288
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Netherlands EJVN 
It's like saying Taco has a better aim than NiKo. Opinions simply not allowed.
2018-01-21 00:12
#289
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Opinions are allowed and they are to be respected. Be it benign, inept or simply incorrect - they should always be respected according to that person. What you did was state your opinion, you didn't provide factual information whatsoever. Understand common sense and be less ignorant with your posting.
2018-01-21 00:13
#291
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Netherlands EJVN 
What a moron you are. I explained why kennyS is a faster awper than GuardiaN, and everyone who have been watching CSGO for some time would've known that. Of course I am not going post all the YT clips that people already saw multiple times, everybody knows kenny has more agressive playstyle, has best flicks in the world and is a better player when in a chaotic situation surrounded by enemy players on a close range. You haven't explained at all by what exactly you back up your opinion on GuardiaN being a faster awper. Let me tell you why, because you don't have actual arguments for that claim, because, well, they are non-existent.
2018-01-21 00:18
#292
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Netherlands EJVN 
And also, by your logic, I should respect people who think 2+2 equals 3, because, even if it is wrong, it is an opinion and should be respected. Of course I am not going to respect that, I will call that person a fucking moron.
2018-01-21 00:20
#297
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Well of course, but saying you are stating fact when you are simply digressing your opinion is also "moronic", is it not? I think GuardiaN is a faster AWP'er, you do not. It's THAT simple, EJVN. I shall respect your opinion otherwise, however. Have a good day.
2018-01-21 03:10
#315
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Netherlands EJVN 
Are you actually going to point out some arguments that will back up your claim? Can't you simply answer why is GuardiaN a faster awper?
2018-01-22 00:11
Lmao you got baited hard
2018-04-02 13:09
#76
znajder | 
Israel Bnkai 
everyone knows hes the best like coldzera and GTR back in the day
2018-01-18 18:12
#77
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Russia Sur10n 
Hi,no,its walle,goodbye!
2018-01-18 18:12
:'( bye
2018-01-18 18:21
#89
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Russia Sur10n 
btw fix your thread "Why kennyS is the Greatest awper in the History of CSGO"
2018-01-18 18:22
I know i just forgot to mention Cs:go, but i can't fix
2018-01-18 18:24
Prime Guardian VS prime KennyS was just something else, they were both franchise players at the time as well. KennyS never really had big down moments unlike JW and GuardiAn so already he's at least 2, FALLEN has only been really good for 2 years so not worth 1 imo. KennyS best CSGO awper ever /close
2018-01-18 18:19
I agree with that
2018-01-18 18:21
#90
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United States benk125 
GuardiaN was better then Kenny in prime though
2018-01-18 18:23
No one could deal with kennyS in 2014
2018-01-18 18:23
#95
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United States benk125 
GuardiaN in late 2015 and early 2016 was unreal more consistent then kennyS 2014 he just took over some games not all
2018-01-18 18:24
What do you mean ? Kenny carried Titan every tournament they played
2018-01-18 18:25
#101
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United States benk125 
and GuardiaN hard carried Navi in 2015 Kenny was never as consistent for a full year
2018-01-18 18:26
static.hltv.org/images/galleries/1693-me.. If you don't call that consistent for a full year i just can't agree with you
2018-01-18 18:28
#107
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United States benk125 
only 9 tournaments he was consistent but check GuardiaN 2015 stats
2018-01-18 18:29
Can't expect more events for 2014, Cs:go was not as popular as now. Guardian was consistent in 2015 aswell, but he's couldn't keep this level for the his entire career, Kenny did
2018-01-18 18:31
#114
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United States benk125 
I agree that Kenny is the best ever but GuardiaN had a prime like no other awper. Kenny also couldnt carry his team to the success that GuardiaN did
2018-01-18 18:33
Titan was only 2 players : kennyS and apEX. Hard to get so much success when you are only 2 people playing in the team. Na'Vi was a decent team back in the days
2018-01-18 18:35
#120
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United States benk125 
Navi was GuardiaN only for so long and flamie became good late 2015 the rest of Navi was as good as Titan
2018-01-18 18:36
if Na'Vi was as good as Titan, Titan would have at least made good results because they did litteraly nothing while Na'Vi had good placements in events
2018-01-18 18:38
#135
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United States benk125 
Navi just didnt get placed on same side of bracket as fnatic TBH
2018-01-18 18:47
Kappa
2018-01-19 01:53
It's debatable, Titan was literally just KennyS and ApeX while Na'Vi had a decent team that was really good at putting GuardiAn in good situations
2018-01-18 18:25
#105
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United States benk125 
depends when you consider GuardiaN prime I say all from May 2015 to March 2016 and the rest of Navi only stepped up around IEM San Jose
2018-01-18 18:27
I would end it earlier but that's also because I didn't really watch CS in late 2015 - mid 2016 (started studies at the time) which also matches the period when Fnatic kicked Pronax IIRC
2018-01-18 18:33
#116
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United States benk125 
when fnatic kicked pronax they became most dominant team ever. Before his injury GuardiaN was clear top2 player which has to be prime
2018-01-18 18:34
#104
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Portugal DiogoDavidPT 
+1
2018-01-18 18:27
+1 to your +1
2018-01-19 15:43
He might be but Guardian is just so machine like on CT side that its like 1 and 1a between him and Guardian not 1 & 2. FalleN is just a user and subscriber to hardwork.exe and scout.exe so automatically disqualified from the equation and JW is the most explosive AWPer but he won't give you that machine like CT side consistency that kennyS and Guardian provide
2018-01-18 18:37
I agree that Guardian is a total beast too, the only problem with him is his inconsistency, he would have been Top 1 of all time if he could keep the level from 2015
2018-01-18 18:40
He is still a machine. Once you are in his scope, you are dead. To be honest, a player has to be in his scope to die. In 2016, he was hard countered by team since he was only one relevant on NaVi after flamie decided to derp around for most of the year
2018-01-18 20:08
markeloff is the best awper of all time. f0rest couldnt even cross dust2 mid door in the beginning of every round.
2018-01-18 18:38
Sry i'm talking about Cs:go, i forgot to mention it
2018-01-18 18:41
He isn't.
2018-01-18 18:41
Who then ? Fallen is top 3
2018-01-18 18:46
Now I saw that you're talking about the GOAT with the awp. And he may be the one, for his history in the game. Still, in absolute terms, I've never seen anything like fallen. And it comes from someone that watches all games from all 3 awpers (not recent na'vi guardian, though).
2018-01-18 19:05
I can agree with that
2018-01-18 19:09
#128
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Russia SH1RO1769 
FalleN is top 1 awper in the world.
2018-01-18 18:42
Nope, top 3
2018-01-18 18:45
#136
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Russia SH1RO1769 
Wouldn't say that top 1 awper chokes against vega. Most consistent = FalleN Jr is showing some potential.
2018-01-18 18:46
hltv.org/matches/2314507/sk-vs-heroic-el.. I wouldn't say that top 1 awper chokes against Heroic Vega beat FaZe btw
2018-01-18 18:52
how can someone be the best while can't even carry his team to win anything? lol
2018-01-18 18:44
kennyS won 6 relevant events in cs:go, he got the MVP award of all the events he won.
2018-01-18 18:49
I am talking about serious events that happened in last let's say year? He couldn't even carry his team out of the group stage of 4 previous majors
2018-01-18 18:52
He can't get out of group stage if he's the only one playing, Fallen has Coldzera and Fer
2018-01-18 18:54
so? what's your point. xantares is one of the best players in the world, by your standards.
2018-01-18 18:56
xantares is only playing against tier 3-4, he could show up if he was playing against tier 1 like in the major
2018-01-18 18:57
GuardiaN has never won a major
2018-01-18 19:22
Do we talk about GuardiaN being the best awper or KennyS? Very good reference to the topic Imao
2018-01-18 19:24
he had 4 MVPs last year, two of them in tier 1 events... lol?
2018-01-21 00:25
#283
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Netherlands EJVN 
And when exactly did other AWPers carry their teams constantly to winning big events?
2018-01-20 03:31
Because shox telling him where enemy players are.
2018-01-18 18:46
#137
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Russia SH1RO1769 
nt kebabster
2018-01-18 18:47
Oh
2018-01-18 18:50
#163
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Germany Delf1n 
Nt goat lover
2018-01-18 19:07
2018-01-18 19:23
He is one helluva awper
2018-01-18 18:48
#145
fnx | 
Brazil TopperMan 
he is in go, can't even argue about that his 2 contenders are fallen, who hasnt been around for long enough, and guardian, who is fat
2018-01-18 18:53
I agree
2018-01-18 18:54
Used to be the clear #1 awp when his team was actually competing in tournaments, even winning some.. Definitely not the #1 awp of 2017, or even close to it.
2018-01-18 18:55
I would say it was quite between Fallen and Kenny in 2017
2018-01-18 18:59
Fallen achieved so much more though. I would also place guardian over kenny in 2017, but just barely. In terms of pure skill kenny might be #1 but he needs to prove it. Can't ride on his previous achievements.
2018-01-18 19:01
I can agree with Fallen over Kenny in 2017 but... Guardian ? No way bro
2018-01-18 19:03
kennyS 1st. WESG (should not be counted) 1st. DH Open Tours ( t2-t3 event ) 1st ESL Pro League S1 1st DH Malmo 2nd nothing 3rd DH Open Austin (t2-t3 event) Epicenter guardian 1st ESL One New York (t1) Eleague Premier (t1) ECS S4 (t1) 2nd IEM Oakland (t1) ESL Season 6 (t1) See the difference? No need to continue.
2018-01-18 19:55
kennyS MVPs: 4 GuardiaN MVPs: 0 GG
2018-01-18 19:56
Tier 3 Mvps. Just be real.
2018-01-18 19:56
kennyS 1.18 rating 2.0 GuardiaN 1.12 rating 2.0 GG
2018-01-18 19:57
are you stupid or something? kennyS plays vs lower opponents, and has less maps, therefore he has slightly better stats. guardian struggled all year with a shit team (na'vi) and joined a good team in the latter months and he just barely came short of kennys rating, with way better achievements.
2018-01-18 20:03
.06 = just barely? +kennyS has better achievements (more MVPs and tournaments won) kennyS simply dominates GuardiaN in every category
2018-01-18 20:04
ok bro keep believing ;)
2018-01-18 20:05
g2 will crush faze at eleague
2018-01-18 20:05
lol
2018-01-18 20:15
Why do you hate FaZe?
2018-01-18 20:47
He has always been like that, that's why i like him :). I hope FaZe will lose, arrogant players
2018-01-19 01:57
Arrogant players? Why? I didn’t notice that
2018-01-19 06:33
LUL G2 LUL OverratedS axaxaxaxa
2018-05-17 21:34
kenny is the best awper of all csgo time.
2018-01-18 18:58
Yes.
2018-01-18 18:59
in csgo maybe, but he is nowhere near to what marik and cogu were to 1.6
2018-01-18 19:00
Yes i'm talking about Cs:go, i forgot to mention it
2018-01-18 19:02
to be honest even if kenny has a better aim with an awp i still think that fallen's wisdom with the gun makes him a better player than kenny
2018-01-18 19:08
Overall, FalleN is a better player. But with the Awp it's obviously for me kennyS
2018-01-18 19:11
Cogu, markeloff and sunde were just too insane...
2018-01-18 19:06
2016 was GuardiaN vs FalleN. 2017 was GuardiaN vs FalleN vs kennyS
2018-01-18 19:09
Well, Guardian wasn't that good for me in 2016 In 2017 even s1mple was a better awper
2018-01-18 19:14
he'isnt goodbye
2018-01-18 19:12
kk
2018-01-18 19:14
i dont like watching kennyS anymore actually , he is not as good as he was before in my opinion
2018-01-18 19:14
If you're talking about 2014 i agree, but if you are talking about 2015/2016 then imo kennyS was better this year
2018-01-18 19:37
#176
f0rest | 
Turkey kadirb 
kenny god
2018-01-18 19:16
Fallen>KennyS
2018-01-18 19:16
Not with the awp
2018-01-18 19:37
Yes
2018-01-18 20:37
#178
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
He is the only awper that at some point was considered best in the world ( late 2014 titan). He is only 1 of 2 players that were awpers and have major MVP (jw being the other). Anyone who says kennys isnt are just people who didnt watch cs before 2016 or is SK dickrider. Kennys even this year arguably was the best awper. As i said if you disagree there is no need to comment ur just hater thats it.
2018-01-18 19:17
Well i can agree about Fallen > Kenny atm
2018-01-18 19:38
#206
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Only atm tho
2018-01-18 20:03
Yes
2018-01-18 20:03
0/8
2018-01-18 19:18
Why don’t you hide before your mom find ur lg monitor?
2018-01-18 19:32
xd
2018-01-19 17:18
Imo fallen is better
2018-01-18 19:32
Maybe, but he only showed up 2 years ago
2018-01-18 19:39
kennys is the north american player but for the titan he is the stars
2018-01-18 19:59
wait wut
2018-01-18 20:04
That is meme.
2018-01-21 03:20
#204
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Macedonia AstralisGoat 
TBF in 2015 he was lower rank than Guardian but he was still better than Guardian statistically, long story short he played better than Guardian in 2015 but Guardian somehow got ranked higher there has never been a point in CS Go where there was a better awper than kennyS since he came over from Source he's better the best awper in the world.
2018-01-18 20:02
I can't really agree with that, Guardian got better stats in 2015
2018-01-18 20:05
#215
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Macedonia AstralisGoat 
Nah he doesn't kennyS played better than him in 2015 and he was also more successful, I don't even think Na'vi won a single title? Anyway I think that's irrelevant at this point because Guardian isn't even a top 50 awper anymore and kennyS is still the best.
2018-01-18 20:11
#216
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Turkey Paradoks 
YOU ALWAYS FORGET SHAZAM AND DESPE FOR FCK SAKE
2018-01-18 20:13
sure
2018-01-19 01:26
1 - fallen 2 - hen1 3 - kng 4 - taco 5 - coldzera 6 - fer 7 - snax 8 - pascha 9 - kennys 10 - guardian
2018-01-18 20:44
omg you're dumb
2018-01-18 20:46
ok, sorry. ill fix it 1 - fallen 2 - hen1 3 - kng 4 - taco 5 - coldzera 6 - fer 7 - snax 8 - pascha 9 - shox 10 - guardian
2018-01-18 20:54
God taco !
2018-01-19 02:09
+1 because he is the awper all top awpers are and will be compared to.
2018-01-18 20:45
Agree
2018-01-19 01:27
#227
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Finland jack7bauer 
1.kennys 2.device 3.fallen 4.guardian kennys is clearly the best awper of csgo history so far no doubt. But you should mentioned device on your speculations aswell tho. Need remember we talk now only about awping. Id say device would be the nr.2, hes so consistent all this years, putting high numbers in. fallen is being always good too, he just never had good enough team in past to break to the top.
2018-01-18 21:09
Indeed, Device has always been consistent. But i think you put him way too high in your list. I'm talking about all time, and device hasn't been an awper all the time unlike kennyS, Fallen, Guardian and JW
2018-01-19 01:43
i agree fallen is the second... i dont see guardian better than fallen both get top 2 in hltv (guardian 2015; fallen 2016) and guardian was the best player from navi... fallen being top 2 in 2016 with Cold top 1 its different, guardian was the star player from navi and now fallen is #6 from 2017 (almost top 5) guardian was #11 in 2014 too... #9 in 2017... but fallen does more in less time i'm saying fallen #2 in CSGO
2018-01-19 01:41
debatable, this question will have an answer this year !
2018-01-19 01:44
#240
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Brazil wastrox 
Are you mad bro? In 2017 Fallen vs Guardian/Dev1ce.
2018-01-19 01:45
#364
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Denmark Crexe 
Yy
2018-05-17 18:56
#243
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Brazil fuz1nato 
just mor one fan guy (<
2018-01-19 01:56
> Look your profile > See " Fan of SK " > Check your recent threads > See "SK BEST TEAM IN THE HISTORY?" > Understand
2018-01-19 02:07
sk IS the best team in history. :>
2018-01-19 02:11
For now, it's Fnatic
2018-01-19 02:12
#269
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Brazil fuz1nato 
all we are :-) thats what i said
2018-01-19 09:48
the problem with kennys is consistency after the nerf he cant carry 100% alone the games anymore... so I put guardian and fallen as more value than him cuz he can get 1 month, be onfire with apex + shox and win tournments but then they get really inconsistent... and as a pure awper, you can always count with guardian and fallen at least to play tactical CS. if kennys isnt onfire, and his teammates are not onfire, g2 will get stomped... fallen at least can take a shot and rotate, make confusion on the other team, get entry kills even playing bad, etc as he is reading the game and igling of course xd
2018-01-19 02:10
I don't know if you watched G2's games this year but kennyS carried most of the time so
2018-01-19 02:14
yes, but he cant carry like titan days, nowdays "super hero" mode will never be consistent, thats why s1mple is overated af =p those type of players are in the past... you NEED to play as a team, trade kills right, read the enemy, etc
2018-01-19 02:16
That's true ! But imo even if he can't get his level from 2014, he is still more consistent than every other awpers in the game
2018-01-19 02:18
I agree, but that was before the nerf, thats the problem =T if we had 2014 awp I would laugh at someone that says fallen or guardian are even close to kenny LUL
2018-01-19 02:19
+1
2018-01-22 16:51
true kennyS best awaper in csgo history
2018-01-19 02:12
+1
2018-01-19 02:14
#277
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Asia bossen1 
+1
2018-01-20 02:21
-1 +1
2018-02-17 04:50
if we are talking about THE ALL TIME GREATEST its definitely kennys or guardian, simply because they were both in the pro scene from the beginning and were consistent throughout their careers, in the end, id still go with kennys, he was always the star player for the team he was in at the time and always carried, guardian on the other hand was a team player, playing off of his teammates and staying way more passive than kenny. You can easily guess which player was the fan favorite just by looking at their playstyle.
2018-01-19 02:15
yeah people always love the flashy kills that kenny does
2018-01-19 02:19
I remember watching the 2014 kennyS. He was soo good, and that damn AWP update to this day he hasn't been able to dominate like 2014 kenny
2018-01-20 02:49
Imagine if the awp update never happend... kennyS would be on top rn
2018-01-21 04:27
Although he's always up there, he does it being the second best. I do believe he could be the best awper in csgo, but he needs to really outplay the other awpers, and for this, he needs to stop carrying teams. KennyS to faze plz
2018-01-20 03:20
i don't want kennyS to play with arrogants players, no thanks
2018-01-21 04:28
Playing with arrogant people doesn't make you arrogant. Rain for example is still very humble. I really like Kenny, but a lot of the teams he plays with are holding him back. G2 right now is making him and apex carry the team
2018-01-21 14:54
I think kennyS wouldn't play in a english speaking team anyway
2018-01-21 15:07
That's true. Language barrier would be fucked up for someone who played in french teams his entire career
2018-01-21 15:09
Yes, even scream who played in Kinguin before said he wouldn't play in an english speaking anymore ( that's why he didn't join FaZe early 2017 tho )
2018-01-21 15:12
agreed
2018-01-20 13:05
agreed to your agreement
2018-01-21 04:28
fifflaren>kennyS
2018-01-21 00:15
Kappa
2018-01-21 01:40
FalleN > KennyS why? Try IGLing and awping.
2018-01-21 00:33
I can't understand why peoples every time adding FALLENs IGLING into the conversation about best AWPers.We already mentioned that FALLEN is better rounded player but that still doesn't mean he is the best AWPer and It was his own decision to take an IGL role.Damn it If he didn't wanted to IGL he would not accept that role,can you peopels stop overhyping somebody just because he is IGL.I think SK would do pretty decent even If FALLEN was not the IGL.They are hardworkers and also very skilled players.Every IGL that is playing good as a player is going be mentioned as a good IGL even If his tacticts and calls are not soo nice and every IGL is going to be called bad IGL If he is bad skill wise even If he has good strats and calls.The only IGl that I see that peoples didn't call him shit while he is not that good skillwise is karrigan.And he is called good IGl just because Faze were doing good when he putted together good players in that team.Who knows what would peoples say If Faze was bad even after contracts,they would probably call karrigan shit since his team is shit and since he is not that big of the fragger.karrigan might be good IGL but take into the consideration that he might be actually pretty shit and that we can't see that because Faze has soo many good players around him.
2018-01-21 03:34
FalleN just found his way to Lead + frag at the same time. So don't Bring that argument please
2018-01-31 00:19
yes yes yes
2018-01-21 01:41
no no no
2018-01-21 03:40
Your country is my first name
2018-03-11 05:27
I don't think you can really argue whether it's Fallen or Guardian because they are sort of a different category. KennyS is a different beast entirely. His flicks are just faster then anyone bar none not even remotely close. What he is is the most talented awper in the history of CSGO. Argue who's the best all you want but there's no doubt talent wise that no one stacks up. It's sort of like Niko now. I know people are going to get on me and say Cold but I think it's fair to say Niko is the most talented player playing now even if he's not the best at this exact static moment in time. It's the reason most NA fans see Stewie as the one who eventually will end up taking a major home for NA rather then a guy like Elige. The raw talent is just there on another level. It doesn't always show up (and neither does Kenny) but when it does holy god.
2018-01-21 03:32
i agree bro
2018-01-21 03:43
I just read your comment and you were right about stewie taking major home, are you from the future?
2018-01-31 00:21
lol same lmao
2018-04-02 13:11
agree
2018-01-24 21:06
69
2018-03-25 03:33
Noob
2018-03-25 03:35
kennys good but not best jw best
2018-04-02 04:21
JW good but not best Pasha best
2018-04-02 04:23
actually made me laugh nice one sir :DD
2018-04-02 04:29
kennyS era has long gone,why are people still living in the past and still believe that he is #1 awper,sorry to break it to you he is not. Only way for him to become the best awper is if Valve reverts scope movement back to 150 velocity
2018-04-02 04:41
Who's first then? Let me see your ranking
2018-04-02 04:53
GuardiaN ofc,he is preforming really good in 2018,but the year has just begun,we all need to wait until Faceit Major ends.
2018-04-02 05:52
nobody has a better awp skills than kenny, he is the goat for sure, but now he is playing bad. but I'm sure he'll slowly recover this year like in 2017 when he has a beast
2018-04-02 13:08
Tbh I was a big fan of him but come on dude Kenny’s era is long time over. Guardian and Fallen are better and more consistence.
2018-04-02 05:58
#333
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Israel onyango 
what happened to JW
2018-04-02 05:59
Transformes into a pig
2018-05-17 01:34
#334
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United States b7a 
kennyS has the best mechanical AWP skills on the planet, but he's not exactly consistent. GuardiaN & FalleN are pretty good candidates for greatest AWPers if you're looking at consistency.
2018-04-02 06:00
In history, kennyS was more consistent
2018-05-16 01:21
KennyS has pure AWP skills. He need just working and focusing.
2018-04-02 13:08
+1
2018-04-06 02:34
nt. skadoodle >
2018-04-06 02:36
0/8
2018-04-25 17:58
#351
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United States Cipher0 
Keep saying Guardian isn't consistant. Well look at the players on his team and how he performs every final. Where is kennys' team?? Oh yeah not even top 10. People just remembering kenny from 2014 when they say he's the best
2018-05-17 02:37
We're talking about history or right now? Go sleep
2018-05-17 02:37
#357
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United States Cipher0 
Yeah we're talking about history. KennyS hasn't been as good or consistant since 2014-2015
2018-05-17 02:40
As far as i remember, kennyS placed 3 times above GuardiaN in the TOP 20 HLTV ranking since 2014
2018-05-17 02:43
Now Guardian's teammates are the bests in the world, even so he has never won a major but Kennys won it and he was mvp
2018-05-17 18:44
lul ye history 2014 LUL but fluke 2014 LUL overratedS xaxaxaxaxaxa
2018-05-17 23:03
+1 past is past. Stop living there and wake up.
2018-05-17 21:25
he's best ever with Guardian as close 2nd
2018-05-17 02:36
#354
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Germany add_xizt_ffs 
Pre-awp nerf KennyS is the greatest awper in csgo ever imo
2018-05-17 02:36
+1
2018-05-17 02:37
smooya in a slump > pre-nerf kennys
2018-05-17 02:47
its really close between him and GuardiaN
2018-05-17 18:35
#367
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France umadboi 
lool
2018-05-17 21:28
#368
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France umadboi 
i heard that he was taking drugs etc
2018-05-17 21:28
OverratedS He isnt EZ LUL axaxaxaxa
2018-05-17 21:30
hi d1m1tr1
2018-06-16 03:39
Hi Georgie axaxaxaxa
2018-06-16 07:02
#391
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Europe H0wLinqDawN 
Hi vladik or c9ropzz LUL axaxaxaxa
2018-06-16 10:54
kennyS GOAT /close
2018-05-17 21:31
#371
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United States ascendaNt_88 
no more homo
2018-05-17 21:32
I wouldn't say he was top 2 in 2016. He was in a severe slump for a few months.
2018-05-17 21:33
Still better than GuardiaN
2018-05-19 03:37
#374
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France Dealotts 
He isn't.
2018-05-17 21:35
Hello?
2018-06-08 00:32
#382
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France Dealotts 
stop bumping old threads?
2018-06-08 03:09
Hello?
2018-06-08 10:49
#378
gla1ve | 
France Telt 
He was litterally elected best sniper of 2015 and he got the major mvp
2018-05-27 16:58
GuardiaN was the best in 2015 tho
2018-06-08 00:32
#385
apEX | 
Europe Dax1e 
kennyS GOAT
2018-06-16 03:45
People have always been trying to compare the tier 1 awpers to kennyS. In 2014 it was him and JW In 2015 it was kennyS vs Guardian in 2016 kennyS vs Fallen in 2017 still kennyS vs Fallen But for exemple he had years when he wasn't the best, like in 2015 and 2016 when it was Guardian and Fallen but the difference between all these awpers to kennyS is that the French Awper has always been consistent throught the years. #12 best player of 2013 #6 best player of 2014 ( with the highest rating of the year ) #6 best player of 2015 #13 best player of 2016 ( with his team in a huge slump ) #7 best player of 2017
2018-06-16 03:50
Agree with all
2018-06-16 03:54
I disagree, at the moment, in my opinion, in terms of individual skill, GuardiaN is the best, and in inteligence ( sorry if it's wrong ), experience, FalleN is the better. Just my opinion Sorry for bad english
2018-06-16 04:14
how someone can believe fallen was better than guardian is insane
2018-06-16 10:55
#395
World doh 
prepare to be spit in the face by SK fans
2018-06-16 10:59
gayboy
2018-06-16 14:43
+1 delusional tbh
2018-07-15 07:45
#393
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Europe Hue_Ganus 
In 2018 guardian and oskar
2018-06-16 10:57
2018=kennyS
2018-07-04 11:50
#399
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Europe Hue_Ganus 
not yet at least
2018-07-04 15:39
I actually thought u wrote "why kennys is the problem" lul :( stopped reading now bb
2018-06-16 10:58
rip
2018-06-25 18:03
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