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Clown9 amazing luck...
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Poland DominnX26 
Fucking lucky Na. They play vs worst team Vp and astralis... In the 5 round vs vega... Gambit/Ss/mouz/fnatic it would destroy them
2018-01-23 10:13
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IGORAK | 
Switzerland IGORAK 
mad?
2018-01-23 10:14
#2
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Poland DominnX26 
Yes i am mad. This major is shit. So bad teams like clown9 qualify but nice team like gambit ss dont
2018-01-23 10:15
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Boo | 
France mbl4 
Yes, SS deserved so much ti go to the playoffs, they dominated SK and lost their matches 16-13. They were truly a top contender this major
2018-01-23 10:18
#7
nukkye | 
Czech Republic kczr 
Mouz had the same result with SK ... I think SS got nervous.. :( And that lost their match...
2018-01-23 10:21
ngiN did whiff quite a few times during the SS Mouz match - I also feel that SS did a lot of poor fakes such as peeking and smoking mirage b apps once then rotating. Mouse seemed to read it really easily and rotated all of their players over to that site each time. Was a good game but Mousesports deserved the win in the end I still think that space soldiers should have got through as a whole but I guess they need to watch back where they went wrong and prepare for next major!
2018-01-23 12:25
They'll become stronger this year
2018-01-23 16:48
I hope so, they shall at least be at the qualifiers for the next major prelims so I assume they should be able to get through! abit of work on their fakes as well as ensuring they take a slower more methodical approach to gun vs eco rounds (as they lost far too many to mouz stacking one bomb site) they should be a great team
2018-01-23 17:39
Also they really need to work on their pistols :(
2018-01-24 07:51
Gambit is worse than C9. And so is Mouz
2018-01-23 10:38
Actually not, if mouz is equal then Gambit is better on paper but since Zeus out, might be equal too.
2018-01-23 10:57
C9 has beaten Gambit. C9 has beaten Mouz. C9 is better, in map pool, in skill, in strats
2018-01-23 11:20
How many times have they beaten them in the best of three series? mouz have the equal amount of firepower if not more, strats don't mean a thing since confidence is the key and shooting is all that matters. Gambit's mappool just as great if not greater, mouz rolls on quite good too.
2018-01-23 11:22
#22
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
DH Denver 2017?? Iem oakland Vs gambit??
2018-01-23 11:28
And.. that's all?
2018-01-23 11:28
#25
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
When has gambit beat them in bo3??
2018-01-23 11:29
I don't know. But as of now they're all equal, version of Gambit with Zeus would be no match for them.
2018-01-23 11:30
#27
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
Is that at this major no c9 has been a top5 team and deserves this
2018-01-23 11:31
Of course they do but they barely took it. Gambit couldn't do it at all so no fuss. But no use in saying that they're obviously better. Now they're equal, they won and they deserve but still.
2018-01-23 11:34
#32
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
Yeah gambit deserves it Id rather have gambit than qbf but c9 has earned this with losing 18 rounds in the last 3 games
2018-01-23 11:36
3-2 though so it balances it out. Here it ends with us having an agreement.
2018-01-23 11:44
#42
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
Yes and 6-2 is bad while beating legendary teams?
2018-01-23 11:45
Legend teams, not legendary. They're all equal in the Major,nobody's a favorite so it doesn't matter.
2018-01-23 11:49
They've beaten both teams in BO3's recently. Gambit at IEM Oakland. Mouz at DH Denver. Mouz definitely doesn't have more firepower. Skadoodle > Oskar (Ska has been consistent in the last few months, but if he steps down a little then oskar is better) Autimatic > ropz Stewie > Sunny RUSH > Styko Tarik > Chrisj Strats do matter, just ask C9 from EPL S4. Gambit map pool compared to C9 Mirage - C9 Cobble - C9 Train - C9 Overpass - Gambit Nuke - Gambit Inferno - It's a close call. But probably 55/45 in favor of C9 Cache - Another close call. But probably 55/45 in favor of Gambit Now let's look at a pick ban Gambit ban Cobble Cloud9 ban Nuke Gambit pick Overpass Cloud9 pick Train Gambit ban Mirage Cloud9 ban Cache Inferno left over C9 have advantage on 2 maps, and honestly could get lucky on overpass.
2018-01-23 11:33
#34
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
+1
2018-01-23 11:37
#36
kaas | 
Netherlands ImKuru 
Skadoodle isn’t better than oskar
2018-01-23 11:38
With how consistent he has been over the last 3 months, yes he has
2018-01-23 11:39
wtf how can you say that ska>oskar? xD he is good but not better awp than oskar...
2018-01-23 11:59
Flag checks out
2018-01-23 12:30
Ska is more important as a player to the team though, oskar doesn't support like Ska does. And Skadoodle has been playing pretty darn good recently.
2018-01-23 16:45
#38
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Qatar kys_lvl99 
Idk is this bait or just idiot
2018-01-23 11:39
It's way too biased. And no, Skadoodle is obviously much worse than oskar, always been. chrisJ is better than tarik, Stewie2k is better than ropz, suNny is better than autimatic, RUSH is better than STYKO. 3 on 2 by the players. Mappool is equal, Gambit is just as good on Train. The other maps are all close. But it all doesn't matter, Gambit dropped in form out alot since Zeus parting that now they're equal, with Zeus it would be 75-25 in favor of Gambit.
2018-01-23 11:40
#40
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Qatar kys_lvl99 
+1 expect stewie is not better than ropz
2018-01-23 11:41
Stewie2k's aggressive and explosive ways seems overwhelmingly better than ropz talent in holding angles. He's kind of passive at CT, he's still young so he might be better in the future.
2018-01-23 11:46
#43
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
DH Denver and major main quilifier cough cough
2018-01-23 11:45
So what that supposed to mean? Gambit is a better team in both ways, won a Major losing only one map in the playoffs while Cloud9 just barely reached for it.
2018-01-23 11:47
#47
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
Cough, EL PREMIER, cough IEM Oakland, cough ESL one ny
2018-01-23 11:49
Stop coughing sick weirdo, Cloud9 success at the Majors don't let anyone take them seriously. They just surpassed the group stage in the 9th attempt. Not bad.
2018-01-23 11:50
#51
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
Look at their past events
2018-01-23 11:51
They can't save their cool at the most prestigeous and important tourney of the year so it's obviously a weakness. Gambit didn't have problems with that. Discipline and preparation.
2018-01-23 11:53
#53
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
They got top8
2018-01-23 11:55
Yeahbut in the 9th attempt. It's no good.
2018-01-23 12:06
#54
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Qatar kys_lvl99 
At least mouz can challenge team like faze in bo3 matches. At cancun they lost 2-1 and both lost maps after overtime. C9 wont get double digits agains faze. Not even by winning both pistols.
2018-01-23 11:56
#55
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
No I know their bad against FaZe against everyone else they are a good team
2018-01-23 11:57
True Faze is C9's kryptonite, never won against Faze but C9 is Mouz's kryptonite, never won against C9
2018-01-23 12:36
Just in December C9 got 11 rounds on Faze on Mirage. They got only 8 on the other but that was Overpass. That was a day after Astralis beat them 16-11. Yesterday, that reversed in a big way, when they beat Astralis 16-6. They may not be able to beat Faze, but they beat who they had to in front of them and do deserve where they are.
2018-01-23 18:19
Tarik > ChrisJ Stewie > Ropz RUSH > STYKO Sunny > Autimatic Oskar > Skadoodle
2018-01-23 12:36
Silly and biased by a blind fan. No sense.
2018-01-23 12:37
Pretty true between Tarik and Chris it's close but Tarik is the best player on C9 right now and he's added a lot to the CT side of C9 as an IGL while Chris has always been good as an IGL but his fragging is weaker than Tarik's. Dunno how the rest is silly unless ur calling ur own choices silly and biased.
2018-01-23 12:40
By the recent form chrisJ is slightly better than tarik or even significantly. Stewie2k is better than ropz. suNny is better than autimatic. RUSH is better than STYKO. oskar is better than Skadoodle. That's all.
2018-01-23 12:46
Haha if you look at ratings Tarik 1.17 past 3 months, ChrisJ 1.07, if you meant super recent as in this major, Chris is 1.04 while tarik is 1.18 and if you mean major qualifier tarik is 1.39 while Chris is 1.20. Both players are damn good IGLs who can frag but it's obvious Tarik is a much better fragger. Now if we look at their ingame strategies, ChrisJ has amazing setpieces that alot of the times lets Oskar shine which makes sense which is why Mouse does well. Tarik also has brought alot of structure to C9's plays yet retaining the fluidity, in that sense ChrisJ is slightly better. Now to consistency, Tarik is by far more consistent and it's obvious by looking at their games, Chris can go from being a star player to getting less than 10 frags a game and not calling the best strats which seems to be why Mouse either lose big or win big. Overall, Tarik is the better player. Reckon i made my point clear enough this time?
2018-01-23 12:53
Got to back your claims by evidence dude, i looked through their performances before saying who is better since i like both teams and you didn't.
2018-01-23 12:56
What's that rating is based on? HLTV rating? It's all very fine but you don't need to be super Thorin to see who's doing fine and who isn't. I remember tarik used to AWP when he was in OpTic but now due to that fact alone he loses in importance for the team to chrisJ who is more impactful, even though both using Scout just fine.
2018-01-24 01:25
Yeah HLTV rating. You're not really making sense anymore? Tarik picks up the awp as much as Stewie as a secondary awper? Does ChrisJ also picking up the awp occasionally matter and the rating is based off determining who is more impactful and Tarik obviously is.
2018-01-24 03:56
The site that puts rain at 4 and AdreN at 17 can't be trusted at all. I see it really means much to you and you bothered to gather some info but I'm o ne of afew golden eye experts that actually is able to watch, analyse and think for himself. It's a muchbetter experience than seeking stats. I still say chrisJ is slightly better, he's a sniper by default and very experienced at any role while tarik pushes with motivation and not a great AWPer aswell.
2018-01-24 04:15
#81
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Poland DominnX26 
LOOOL XD
2018-01-23 13:41
you are a fucking moron
2018-01-23 11:51
#59
arvid | 
Netherlands kayman 
2018-01-23 12:09
imo oskar >= ska ropz > autimatic Stewie > Sunny RUSH >>> Styko Tarik > Chrisj c9>mouz in terms of raw skill.
2018-01-23 15:55
Thing is c9 is Mouse's kryptonite, C9 hasn't lost to Mouse this whole year starting from esl one cologne to krakow, denver and now here at this major.
2018-01-23 12:22
There's always a possibility and nothing lasts forever.
2018-01-23 12:24
Yup just proving my point, Gambit might be equal to C9 but Mouz definitely isn't, on paper they should be but in games they never are
2018-01-23 12:29
We never know, they may change it this game.
2018-01-23 12:32
Don't watch it; you won't be missed.
2018-01-23 17:40
Gambot in 2018 LUL
2018-01-24 04:09
Its not their fault that VP and Astralis forgot how to play at top level. Even QBF deserved it. - the system is great. The teams we know... not so much.. Faze and SK didnt have any problems.
2018-01-24 07:55
Ez 4 fnatic Ez 4 SK Ez 4 FaZe Ez 3/4 QB.Fire Ez 4 mouse Ez 0/4 c9
2018-01-23 10:15
+1
2018-01-23 12:14
#4
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Poland DominnX26 
Worst major
2018-01-23 10:17
VP fan lul
2018-01-23 19:03
I love Virtus.Throw fans, so loyal even though there team is absolute trash. -32 in Major=sad day, wait I mean sad year for VP, it's ok, it's about time they disbanded.
2018-01-24 04:06
#5
hardstyle | 
Turkey B^S 
Ss already destroy them but they are in qualifier instead of Ss
2018-01-23 10:18
#9
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Poland DominnX26 
True... fucking swiss system
2018-01-23 10:25
Destroyed? Last time I checked 16-13 isn't destroyed.
2018-01-23 10:38
#102
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Bangladesh N0SP4C3 
+1
2018-01-23 17:38
#8
Netherlands D0cC_ 
Virtus.pro deserved playoff spot
2018-01-23 10:24
#10
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Germany AutiSimple 
-32 rounds...lololololololololo
2018-01-23 10:28
-clown9 +gambit
2018-01-23 10:28
#15
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Poland DominnX26 
True +1
2018-01-23 10:47
Or space soldiers
2018-01-23 12:31
lolol C9 doesn't do retard map picks and get 16-2 vs fnatic xD
2018-01-23 16:24
still they are trash
2018-01-23 16:31
Or you are biased against them?
2018-01-23 16:39
#93
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United States (Fr0st) 
I forgot that 16-2 to Fnatic was deserving
2018-01-23 16:34
just wait till g2 destroy them, ez semifinals for baguettes
2018-01-23 10:33
#16
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Poland DominnX26 
+1
2018-01-23 10:47
#20
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Malaysia Level1Cam 
+1
2018-01-23 11:25
#49
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Poland Az1m 
+1 ez major for shoxie
2018-01-23 11:51
C9 has won the majority of their last matches against one another. FYI.
2018-01-23 21:17
#156
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United States (Fr0st) 
Just thought I’d come back to this. Thanks for the laugh. :)
2018-01-27 13:46
always an excuse you fucking shitters lel
2018-01-23 11:26
"fan of Skadoodle"
2018-01-23 12:34
Hey you can read
2018-01-23 23:50
mouz can win but cloud9 are playing quite well atm
2018-01-23 11:29
Stupid kid!
2018-01-23 11:32
#29
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
Excuses look at the last few events, they made it out of groups in 6/7 times
2018-01-23 11:33
#33
ropz | 
Brazil caiocsa 
Agree, but c9 still a good team, what about QBF
2018-01-23 11:36
#83
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Poland DominnX26 
qbf is black horse
2018-01-23 15:52
#87
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Bangladesh N0SP4C3 
do you mean "dark horse"?
2018-01-23 15:58
#105
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Canada Adipocere 
lmao
2018-01-23 17:40
no, just black.
2018-01-23 21:17
#35
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United States LarrcasM 
Fnatic and Mouz both qualified. Gambit completely shit the bed this groupstage...suck it up SpaceSoldiers have never done anything on LAN since the teams inception. Cya
2018-01-23 11:37
#97
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United States Topunderscore 
Honestly why is ss so overhyped, they are horrible
2018-01-23 16:49
#101
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
C9 legit mad top 4 in6/7 last tourneys that is not lucky, you are mad cause they crushed VO honestly STFU C9 deserved this
2018-01-23 17:34
#107
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United States jaeger_steam 
He said space soldiers overhyped, not c9...
2018-01-23 17:44
#108
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
wrong comment
2018-01-23 17:44
#57
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United States Droidd 
Yes C9 super lucky team as they start off 0-2, they wanted to be legends and they fought hard to climb back from the depths they were from, and they deserve it now stop complaining.
2018-01-23 12:05
#100
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
+1
2018-01-23 17:33
someone is mad
2018-01-23 12:12
#82
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Poland DominnX26 
yes i am fucking mad
2018-01-23 13:42
you don't have to be mad :) don't watch their games , enjoy other matches
2018-01-23 17:30
#65
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Germany MaibE 
Everyone who wins 3-2 deserves it. Easy as that. There really were no easy draws.
2018-01-23 12:27
c9 crushed the 3 opponent, so they would easily win from mouse with like 16-10
2018-01-23 12:32
well deserved by c9 in my opinion
2018-01-23 12:40
#77
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Europe WutZeFak 
cry :(
2018-01-23 12:43
where is vp ? :(
2018-01-23 15:57
#125
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Poland DominnX26 
I dont care about vp SS or gambit deserved more than c9
2018-01-23 19:03
mhm
2018-01-23 19:03
being 0 - 2 down and winning getting to 3 - 2 isnt lucky. besides that they got 3 - 0 in the major qualifier, idk what you are up to
2018-01-23 15:57
#88
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Poland DominnX26 
but they get easy drawss
2018-01-23 16:21
vp did aswell, but lost
2018-01-23 16:21
#99
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
astralis easy pick one.
2018-01-23 17:33
#109
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Europe Vallon 
Astralis in a slump - easy.
2018-01-23 17:48
#110
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
Nip winning Oakland - Lucky
2018-01-23 17:49
#116
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Europe Vallon 
As opposed to C9 who have won... how many tier 1 events? Oh right - zero.
2018-01-23 17:56
#117
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Netherlands eclipseeee 
and how many other good finishes has Nip had oh wait - 0 While C9 El Premier, Iem Oakland, ESL one NY and at least top 8 at the major
2018-01-23 17:58
Better consistency and atleast qualifying for majors than not even making it to qualifiers xd
2018-01-24 03:58
Polish CS LUL
2018-01-23 16:22
#124
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Poland DominnX26 
NA cs LUL
2018-01-23 19:01
BnTeT alone makes the polish scene better than NA
2018-01-23 21:03
#139
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Poland DominnX26 
+1
2018-01-23 23:38
#104
Friis | 
Canada uhJake 
Happy to see astralis N vp gone. Along with gambots. Shows Zues was the key to success. Vp will become pro pubG. Still hilarious watching that byali clip on inferno trying to loot for ak but kept trying to click the body. Astralis needs to give dev awp so he can get more exits. Gambit needs a real igl. Ss shit the bed. Cloud9 was down 0-2. They made cumback. Only team that appeared to get lucky was G2... but they will probably shit the bed in playoffs
2018-01-23 17:39
VP FAN LUL
2018-01-23 17:50
#123
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Poland DominnX26 
I dont care about vp right now
2018-01-23 19:01
#112
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United States ThetaSigma11 
We shit on Mouz to go 3-0 in the prelims are you delusional? Gambit is ass. SS barely beat C9 and got lucky af. Fnatic probably wouldn't beat C9 if they lost to NaVi LUL. Mad cause ass.
2018-01-23 17:51
Shut up you retarded 3rd world polak, Vp is shit now go cry in a corner.
2018-01-23 17:53
#122
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Poland DominnX26 
2018-01-23 19:00
No scene, but atleast i have atleast 1 player in the playoffs, and i dont have sleep in a mudhutt while having sex with my sister.
2018-01-23 20:01
#147
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Brazil Drezim1 
Clown9 amazing luck... Virtus.pro | Poland DominnX26 Fucking lucky Na. They play vs worst team Vp and astralis... In the 5 round vs vega... Gambit/Ss/mouz/fnatic it would destroy them 2018-01-23 07:13 Reply #1 IGORAK | Switzerland IGORAK mad? 2018-01-23 07:14 Reply #2 Virtus.pro | Poland DominnX26 Yes i am mad. This major is shit. So bad teams like clown9 qualify but nice team like gambit ss dont 2018-01-23 07:15 Reply #6 G2 | France DKdarKnight Yes, SS deserved so much ti go to the playoffs, they dominated SK and lost their matches 16-13. They were truly a top contender this major 2018-01-23 07:18 Reply #7 tarik | Czech Republic kaczerlul Mouz had the same result with SK ... I think SS got nervous.. :( And that lost their match... 2018-01-23 07:21 Reply #64 XANTARES | United Kingdom Dawnwalker ngiN did whiff quite a few times during the SS Mouz match - I also feel that SS did a lot of poor fakes such as peeking and smoking mirage b apps once then rotating. Mouse seemed to read it really easily and rotated all of their players over to that site each time. Was a good game but Mousesports deserved the win in the end I still think that space soldiers should have got through as a whole but I guess they need to watch back where they went wrong and prepare for next major! 2018-01-23 09:25 Reply #96 Turkey Tardile They'll become stronger this year 2018-01-23 13:48 Reply #103 XANTARES | United Kingdom Dawnwalker I hope so, they shall at least be at the qualifiers for the next major prelims so I assume they should be able to get through! abit of work on their fakes as well as ensuring they take a slower more methodical approach to gun vs eco rounds (as they lost far too many to mouz stacking one bomb site) they should be a great team 2018-01-23 14:39 Reply #13 United States poocrafter2 Gambit is worse than C9. And so is Mouz 2018-01-23 07:38 Reply #17 Russia Jovik Actually not, if mouz is equal then Gambit is better on paper but since Zeus out, might be equal too. 2018-01-23 07:57 Reply #18 United States poocrafter2 C9 has beaten Gambit. C9 has beaten Mouz. C9 is better, in map pool, in skill, in strats 2018-01-23 08:20 Reply #19 Russia Jovik How many times have they beaten them in the best of three series? mouz have the equal amount of firepower if not more, strats don't mean a thing since confidence is the key and shooting is all that matters. Gambit's mappool just as great if not greater, mouz rolls on quite good too. 2018-01-23 08:22 Reply #22 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad DH Denver 2017?? Iem oakland Vs gambit?? 2018-01-23 08:28 Reply #23 Russia Jovik And.. that's all? 2018-01-23 08:28 Reply #25 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad When has gambit beat them in bo3?? 2018-01-23 08:29 Reply #26 Russia Jovik I don't know. But as of now they're all equal, version of Gambit with Zeus would be no match for them. 2018-01-23 08:30 Reply #27 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Is that at this major no c9 has been a top5 team and deserves this 2018-01-23 08:31 Reply #31 Russia Jovik Of course they do but they barely took it. Gambit couldn't do it at all so no fuss. But no use in saying that they're obviously better. Now they're equal, they won and they deserve but still. 2018-01-23 08:34 Reply #32 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Yeah gambit deserves it Id rather have gambit than qbf but c9 has earned this with losing 18 rounds in the last 3 games 2018-01-23 08:36 Reply #41 Russia Jovik 3-2 though so it balances it out. Here it ends with us having an agreement. 2018-01-23 08:44 Reply #42 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Yes and 6-2 is bad while beating legendary teams? 2018-01-23 08:45 Reply #46 Russia Jovik Legend teams, not legendary. They're all equal in the Major,nobody's a favorite so it doesn't matter. 2018-01-23 08:49 Reply #30 United States poocrafter2 They've beaten both teams in BO3's recently. Gambit at IEM Oakland. Mouz at DH Denver. Mouz definitely doesn't have more firepower. Skadoodle > Oskar (Ska has been consistent in the last few months, but if he steps down a little then oskar is better) Autimatic > ropz Stewie > Sunny RUSH > Styko Tarik > Chrisj Strats do matter, just ask C9 from EPL S4. Gambit map pool compared to C9 Mirage - C9 Cobble - C9 Train - C9 Overpass - Gambit Nuke - Gambit Inferno - It's a close call. But probably 55/45 in favor of C9 Cache - Another close call. But probably 55/45 in favor of Gambit Now let's look at a pick ban Gambit ban Cobble Cloud9 ban Nuke Gambit pick Overpass Cloud9 pick Train Gambit ban Mirage Cloud9 ban Cache Inferno left over C9 have advantage on 2 maps, and honestly could get lucky on overpass. 2018-01-23 08:33 Reply #34 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad +1 2018-01-23 08:37 Reply #36 FaZe | Netherlands ImKuru Skadoodle isn’t better than oskar 2018-01-23 08:38 Reply #37 United States poocrafter2 With how consistent he has been over the last 3 months, yes he has 2018-01-23 08:39 Reply #56 Czech Republic HANYMA wtf how can you say that ska>oskar? xD he is good but not better awp than oskar... 2018-01-23 08:59 Reply #67 BDSM | Sweden Uncle_Gubsy Flag checks out 2018-01-23 09:30 Reply #95 iBUYPOWER | Denmark AimingForHeads Ska is more important as a player to the team though, oskar doesn't support like Ska does. And Skadoodle has been playing pretty darn good recently. 2018-01-23 13:45 Reply #38 FaZe | North America 5k_decoy_lul Idk is this bait or just idiot 2018-01-23 08:39 Reply #39 Russia Jovik It's way too biased. And no, Skadoodle is obviously much worse than oskar, always been. chrisJ is better than tarik, Stewie2k is better than ropz, suNny is better than autimatic, RUSH is better than STYKO. 3 on 2 by the players. Mappool is equal, Gambit is just as good on Train. The other maps are all close. But it all doesn't matter, Gambit dropped in form out alot since Zeus parting that now they're equal, with Zeus it would be 75-25 in favor of Gambit. 2018-01-23 08:40 Reply #40 FaZe | North America 5k_decoy_lul +1 expect stewie is not better than ropz 2018-01-23 08:41 Reply #44 Russia Jovik Stewie2k's aggressive and explosive ways seems overwhelmingly better than ropz talent in holding angles. He's kind of passive at CT, he's still young so he might be better in the future. 2018-01-23 08:46 Reply #43 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad DH Denver and major main quilifier cough cough 2018-01-23 08:45 Reply #45 Russia Jovik So what that supposed to mean? Gambit is a better team in both ways, won a Major losing only one map in the playoffs while Cloud9 just barely reached for it. 2018-01-23 08:47 Reply #47 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Cough, EL PREMIER, cough IEM Oakland, cough ESL one ny 2018-01-23 08:49 Reply #48 Russia Jovik Stop coughing sick weirdo, Cloud9 success at the Majors don't let anyone take them seriously. They just surpassed the group stage in the 9th attempt. Not bad. 2018-01-23 08:50 Reply #51 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Look at their past events 2018-01-23 08:51 Reply #52 Russia Jovik They can't save their cool at the most prestigeous and important tourney of the year so it's obviously a weakness. Gambit didn't have problems with that. Discipline and preparation. 2018-01-23 08:53 Reply #53 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad They got top8 2018-01-23 08:55 Reply #58 Russia Jovik Yeahbut in the 9th attempt. It's no good. 2018-01-23 09:06 Reply #54 FaZe | North America 5k_decoy_lul At least mouz can challenge team like faze in bo3 matches. At cancun they lost 2-1 and both lost maps after overtime. C9 wont get double digits agains faze. Not even by winning both pistols. 2018-01-23 08:56 Reply #55 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad No I know their bad against FaZe against everyone else they are a good team 2018-01-23 08:57 Reply #73 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton True Faze is C9's kryptonite, never won against Faze but C9 is Mouz's kryptonite, never won against C9 2018-01-23 09:36 Reply #120 United States Fleshleaves Just in December C9 got 11 rounds on Faze on Mirage. They got only 8 on the other but that was Overpass. That was a day after Astralis beat them 16-11. Yesterday, that reversed in a big way, when they beat Astralis 16-6. They may not be able to beat Faze, but they beat who they had to in front of them and do deserve where they are. 2018-01-23 15:19 Reply #72 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Tarik > ChrisJ Stewie > Ropz RUSH > STYKO Sunny > Autimatic Oskar > Skadoodle 2018-01-23 09:36 Reply #74 Russia Jovik Silly and biased by a blind fan. No sense. 2018-01-23 09:37 Reply #76 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Pretty true between Tarik and Chris it's close but Tarik is the best player on C9 right now and he's added a lot to the CT side of C9 as an IGL while Chris has always been good as an IGL but his fragging is weaker than Tarik's. Dunno how the rest is silly unless ur calling ur own choices silly and biased. 2018-01-23 09:40 Reply #78 Russia Jovik By the recent form chrisJ is slightly better than tarik or even significantly. Stewie2k is better than ropz. suNny is better than autimatic. RUSH is better than STYKO. oskar is better than Skadoodle. That's all. 2018-01-23 09:46 Reply #79 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Haha if you look at ratings Tarik 1.17 past 3 months, ChrisJ 1.07, if you meant super recent as in this major, Chris is 1.04 while tarik is 1.18 and if you mean major qualifier tarik is 1.39 while Chris is 1.20. Both players are damn good IGLs who can frag but it's obvious Tarik is a much better fragger. Now if we look at their ingame strategies, ChrisJ has amazing setpieces that alot of the times lets Oskar shine which makes sense which is why Mouse does well. Tarik also has brought alot of structure to C9's plays yet retaining the fluidity, in that sense ChrisJ is slightly better. Now to consistency, Tarik is by far more consistent and it's obvious by looking at their games, Chris can go from being a star player to getting less than 10 frags a game and not calling the best strats which seems to be why Mouse either lose big or win big. Overall, Tarik is the better player. Reckon i made my point clear enough this time? 2018-01-23 09:53 Reply #80 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Got to back your claims by evidence dude, i looked through their performances before saying who is better since i like both teams and you didn't. 2018-01-23 09:56 Reply #141 Russia Jovik What's that rating is based on? HLTV rating? It's all very fine but you don't need to be super Thorin to see who's doing fine and who isn't. I remember tarik used to AWP when he was in OpTic but now due to that fact alone he loses in importance for the team to chrisJ who is more impactful, even though both using Scout just fine. 2018-01-23 22:25 Reply #142 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Yeah HLTV rating. You're not really making sense anymore? Tarik picks up the awp as much as Stewie as a secondary awper? Does ChrisJ also picking up the awp occasionally matter and the rating is based off determining who is more impactful and Tarik obviously is. 2018-01-24 00:56 Reply #81 Virtus.pro | Poland DominnX26 LOOOL XD 2018-01-23 10:41 Reply #50 Czech Republic BlackMamba6 you are a fucking moron 2018-01-23 08:51 Reply #59 Space Soldiers | Turkey KA7MAN hltv.org/matches/2318601/space-soldiers-.. cbble c9? 2018-01-23 09:09 Reply #84 United States masterpierround imo oskar >= ska ropz > autimatic Stewie > Sunny RUSH >>> Styko Tarik > Chrisj c9>mouz in terms of raw skill. 2018-01-23 12:55 Reply #62 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Thing is c9 is Mouse's kryptonite, C9 hasn't lost to Mouse this whole year starting from esl one cologne to krakow, denver and now here at this major. 2018-01-23 09:22 Reply #63 Russia Jovik There's always a possibility and nothing lasts forever. 2018-01-23 09:24 Reply #66 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Yup just proving my point, Gambit might be equal to C9 but Mouz definitely isn't, on paper they should be but in games they never are 2018-01-23 09:29 Reply #69 Russia Jov
2018-01-24 04:07
damn nigga you wrote a book for this mad baiter pole?
2018-01-24 04:09
#151
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Brazil Drezim1 
Clown9 amazing luck... Virtus.pro | Poland DominnX26 Fucking lucky Na. They play vs worst team Vp and astralis... In the 5 round vs vega... Gambit/Ss/mouz/fnatic it would destroy them 2018-01-23 07:13 Reply #1 IGORAK | Switzerland IGORAK mad? 2018-01-23 07:14 Reply #2 Virtus.pro | Poland DominnX26 Yes i am mad. This major is shit. So bad teams like clown9 qualify but nice team like gambit ss dont 2018-01-23 07:15 Reply #6 G2 | France DKdarKnight Yes, SS deserved so much ti go to the playoffs, they dominated SK and lost their matches 16-13. They were truly a top contender this major 2018-01-23 07:18 Reply #7 tarik | Czech Republic kaczerlul Mouz had the same result with SK ... I think SS got nervous.. :( And that lost their match... 2018-01-23 07:21 Reply #64 XANTARES | United Kingdom Dawnwalker ngiN did whiff quite a few times during the SS Mouz match - I also feel that SS did a lot of poor fakes such as peeking and smoking mirage b apps once then rotating. Mouse seemed to read it really easily and rotated all of their players over to that site each time. Was a good game but Mousesports deserved the win in the end I still think that space soldiers should have got through as a whole but I guess they need to watch back where they went wrong and prepare for next major! 2018-01-23 09:25 Reply #96 Turkey Tardile They'll become stronger this year 2018-01-23 13:48 Reply #103 XANTARES | United Kingdom Dawnwalker I hope so, they shall at least be at the qualifiers for the next major prelims so I assume they should be able to get through! abit of work on their fakes as well as ensuring they take a slower more methodical approach to gun vs eco rounds (as they lost far too many to mouz stacking one bomb site) they should be a great team 2018-01-23 14:39 Reply #13 United States poocrafter2 Gambit is worse than C9. And so is Mouz 2018-01-23 07:38 Reply #17 Russia Jovik Actually not, if mouz is equal then Gambit is better on paper but since Zeus out, might be equal too. 2018-01-23 07:57 Reply #18 United States poocrafter2 C9 has beaten Gambit. C9 has beaten Mouz. C9 is better, in map pool, in skill, in strats 2018-01-23 08:20 Reply #19 Russia Jovik How many times have they beaten them in the best of three series? mouz have the equal amount of firepower if not more, strats don't mean a thing since confidence is the key and shooting is all that matters. Gambit's mappool just as great if not greater, mouz rolls on quite good too. 2018-01-23 08:22 Reply #22 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad DH Denver 2017?? Iem oakland Vs gambit?? 2018-01-23 08:28 Reply #23 Russia Jovik And.. that's all? 2018-01-23 08:28 Reply #25 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad When has gambit beat them in bo3?? 2018-01-23 08:29 Reply #26 Russia Jovik I don't know. But as of now they're all equal, version of Gambit with Zeus would be no match for them. 2018-01-23 08:30 Reply #27 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Is that at this major no c9 has been a top5 team and deserves this 2018-01-23 08:31 Reply #31 Russia Jovik Of course they do but they barely took it. Gambit couldn't do it at all so no fuss. But no use in saying that they're obviously better. Now they're equal, they won and they deserve but still. 2018-01-23 08:34 Reply #32 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Yeah gambit deserves it Id rather have gambit than qbf but c9 has earned this with losing 18 rounds in the last 3 games 2018-01-23 08:36 Reply #41 Russia Jovik 3-2 though so it balances it out. Here it ends with us having an agreement. 2018-01-23 08:44 Reply #42 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Yes and 6-2 is bad while beating legendary teams? 2018-01-23 08:45 Reply #46 Russia Jovik Legend teams, not legendary. They're all equal in the Major,nobody's a favorite so it doesn't matter. 2018-01-23 08:49 Reply #30 United States poocrafter2 They've beaten both teams in BO3's recently. Gambit at IEM Oakland. Mouz at DH Denver. Mouz definitely doesn't have more firepower. Skadoodle > Oskar (Ska has been consistent in the last few months, but if he steps down a little then oskar is better) Autimatic > ropz Stewie > Sunny RUSH > Styko Tarik > Chrisj Strats do matter, just ask C9 from EPL S4. Gambit map pool compared to C9 Mirage - C9 Cobble - C9 Train - C9 Overpass - Gambit Nuke - Gambit Inferno - It's a close call. But probably 55/45 in favor of C9 Cache - Another close call. But probably 55/45 in favor of Gambit Now let's look at a pick ban Gambit ban Cobble Cloud9 ban Nuke Gambit pick Overpass Cloud9 pick Train Gambit ban Mirage Cloud9 ban Cache Inferno left over C9 have advantage on 2 maps, and honestly could get lucky on overpass. 2018-01-23 08:33 Reply #34 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad +1 2018-01-23 08:37 Reply #36 FaZe | Netherlands ImKuru Skadoodle isn’t better than oskar 2018-01-23 08:38 Reply #37 United States poocrafter2 With how consistent he has been over the last 3 months, yes he has 2018-01-23 08:39 Reply #56 Czech Republic HANYMA wtf how can you say that ska>oskar? xD he is good but not better awp than oskar... 2018-01-23 08:59 Reply #67 BDSM | Sweden Uncle_Gubsy Flag checks out 2018-01-23 09:30 Reply #95 iBUYPOWER | Denmark AimingForHeads Ska is more important as a player to the team though, oskar doesn't support like Ska does. And Skadoodle has been playing pretty darn good recently. 2018-01-23 13:45 Reply #38 FaZe | North America 5k_decoy_lul Idk is this bait or just idiot 2018-01-23 08:39 Reply #39 Russia Jovik It's way too biased. And no, Skadoodle is obviously much worse than oskar, always been. chrisJ is better than tarik, Stewie2k is better than ropz, suNny is better than autimatic, RUSH is better than STYKO. 3 on 2 by the players. Mappool is equal, Gambit is just as good on Train. The other maps are all close. But it all doesn't matter, Gambit dropped in form out alot since Zeus parting that now they're equal, with Zeus it would be 75-25 in favor of Gambit. 2018-01-23 08:40 Reply #40 FaZe | North America 5k_decoy_lul +1 expect stewie is not better than ropz 2018-01-23 08:41 Reply #44 Russia Jovik Stewie2k's aggressive and explosive ways seems overwhelmingly better than ropz talent in holding angles. He's kind of passive at CT, he's still young so he might be better in the future. 2018-01-23 08:46 Reply #43 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad DH Denver and major main quilifier cough cough 2018-01-23 08:45 Reply #45 Russia Jovik So what that supposed to mean? Gambit is a better team in both ways, won a Major losing only one map in the playoffs while Cloud9 just barely reached for it. 2018-01-23 08:47 Reply #47 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Cough, EL PREMIER, cough IEM Oakland, cough ESL one ny 2018-01-23 08:49 Reply #48 Russia Jovik Stop coughing sick weirdo, Cloud9 success at the Majors don't let anyone take them seriously. They just surpassed the group stage in the 9th attempt. Not bad. 2018-01-23 08:50 Reply #51 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad Look at their past events 2018-01-23 08:51 Reply #52 Russia Jovik They can't save their cool at the most prestigeous and important tourney of the year so it's obviously a weakness. Gambit didn't have problems with that. Discipline and preparation. 2018-01-23 08:53 Reply #53 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad They got top8 2018-01-23 08:55 Reply #58 Russia Jovik Yeahbut in the 9th attempt. It's no good. 2018-01-23 09:06 Reply #54 FaZe | North America 5k_decoy_lul At least mouz can challenge team like faze in bo3 matches. At cancun they lost 2-1 and both lost maps after overtime. C9 wont get double digits agains faze. Not even by winning both pistols. 2018-01-23 08:56 Reply #55 Cloud9 | Netherlands ThorinIsMyDad No I know their bad against FaZe against everyone else they are a good team 2018-01-23 08:57 Reply #73 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton True Faze is C9's kryptonite, never won against Faze but C9 is Mouz's kryptonite, never won against C9 2018-01-23 09:36 Reply #120 United States Fleshleaves Just in December C9 got 11 rounds on Faze on Mirage. They got only 8 on the other but that was Overpass. That was a day after Astralis beat them 16-11. Yesterday, that reversed in a big way, when they beat Astralis 16-6. They may not be able to beat Faze, but they beat who they had to in front of them and do deserve where they are. 2018-01-23 15:19 Reply #72 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Tarik > ChrisJ Stewie > Ropz RUSH > STYKO Sunny > Autimatic Oskar > Skadoodle 2018-01-23 09:36 Reply #74 Russia Jovik Silly and biased by a blind fan. No sense. 2018-01-23 09:37 Reply #76 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Pretty true between Tarik and Chris it's close but Tarik is the best player on C9 right now and he's added a lot to the CT side of C9 as an IGL while Chris has always been good as an IGL but his fragging is weaker than Tarik's. Dunno how the rest is silly unless ur calling ur own choices silly and biased. 2018-01-23 09:40 Reply #78 Russia Jovik By the recent form chrisJ is slightly better than tarik or even significantly. Stewie2k is better than ropz. suNny is better than autimatic. RUSH is better than STYKO. oskar is better than Skadoodle. That's all. 2018-01-23 09:46 Reply #79 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Haha if you look at ratings Tarik 1.17 past 3 months, ChrisJ 1.07, if you meant super recent as in this major, Chris is 1.04 while tarik is 1.18 and if you mean major qualifier tarik is 1.39 while Chris is 1.20. Both players are damn good IGLs who can frag but it's obvious Tarik is a much better fragger. Now if we look at their ingame strategies, ChrisJ has amazing setpieces that alot of the times lets Oskar shine which makes sense which is why Mouse does well. Tarik also has brought alot of structure to C9's plays yet retaining the fluidity, in that sense ChrisJ is slightly better. Now to consistency, Tarik is by far more consistent and it's obvious by looking at their games, Chris can go from being a star player to getting less than 10 frags a game and not calling the best strats which seems to be why Mouse either lose big or win big. Overall, Tarik is the better player. Reckon i made my point clear enough this time? 2018-01-23 09:53 Reply #80 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Got to back your claims by evidence dude, i looked through their performances before saying who is better since i like both teams and you didn't. 2018-01-23 09:56 Reply #141 Russia Jovik What's that rating is based on? HLTV rating? It's all very fine but you don't need to be super Thorin to see who's doing fine and who isn't. I remember tarik used to AWP when he was in OpTic but now due to that fact alone he loses in importance for the team to chrisJ who is more impactful, even though both using Scout just fine. 2018-01-23 22:25 Reply #142 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Yeah HLTV rating. You're not really making sense anymore? Tarik picks up the awp as much as Stewie as a secondary awper? Does ChrisJ also picking up the awp occasionally matter and the rating is based off determining who is more impactful and Tarik obviously is. 2018-01-24 00:56 Reply #81 Virtus.pro | Poland DominnX26 LOOOL XD 2018-01-23 10:41 Reply #50 Czech Republic BlackMamba6 you are a fucking moron 2018-01-23 08:51 Reply #59 Space Soldiers | Turkey KA7MAN hltv.org/matches/2318601/space-soldiers-.. cbble c9? 2018-01-23 09:09 Reply #84 United States masterpierround imo oskar >= ska ropz > autimatic Stewie > Sunny RUSH >>> Styko Tarik > Chrisj c9>mouz in terms of raw skill. 2018-01-23 12:55 Reply #62 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Thing is c9 is Mouse's kryptonite, C9 hasn't lost to Mouse this whole year starting from esl one cologne to krakow, denver and now here at this major. 2018-01-23 09:22 Reply #63 Russia Jovik There's always a possibility and nothing lasts forever. 2018-01-23 09:24 Reply #66 Cloud9 | Australia Lomcharton Yup just proving my point, Gambit might be equal to C9 but Mouz definitely isn't, on paper they should be but in games they never are 2018-01-23 09:29 Reply #69 Russia Jov
2018-01-24 04:09
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United States jaeger_steam 
Keep making excuses if that makes you feel better. C9 went 3-0 in first stage, came back from 0-2 to qualify for the third stage, they earned it stfu and complain somewhere else.
2018-01-23 17:54
Not Cloud9's fault that VP, Astralis, and Vega didn't do enough to beat them. None of the three got over 7 rounds against them. Sorry this offends you so much. Also, C9 did beat Mouz in the Qualifier.
2018-01-23 17:54
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Myanmar Lemo2K 
Who would take their spot then?
2018-01-23 18:00
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Poland DominnX26 
Gambit/ SS
2018-01-23 18:59
A team that loses to QBF deserves to not qualify SS should have qualified
2018-01-24 04:08
They came back from 0-2. No luck..
2018-01-23 18:02
#128
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Denmark Zorrondo 
+1
2018-01-23 19:04
flag checks out
2018-01-23 21:15
#138
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Poland DominnX26 
lul
2018-01-23 23:07
#144
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Brazil Collee 
Everyone is lucky, except for FaZe and G2 apparently. People complain about everything lmao. Try to become a professional player and you'll see how hard it is to even get close to a major, let alone become a legend
2018-01-24 03:59
C9 always chokes against VP at majors Astralis' core has made every single major playoff still very dangerous G2 elite top 5 team Vega and SS are decent upset teams, those could be lucky kinda but come on it's the swiss system, there's no way you get elite teams in your draw. Fnatic played both vp and ast but I don't see any whining.
2018-01-24 04:05
CRY IS FREE HUEHUEHUE
2018-01-24 04:08
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