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Usa mass shootings
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Sweden flippig 
So i found this site gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting and it is actually alot worse than i thought.. sad but to be expected really with the gunlaws usa has.. Americanos what do you say about this? Are you happy about this since you are defending your right to bear arms at any cost?
2018-01-24 00:59
You shouldn’t blame everybody for the mistakes of one person. I think the ability to get a gun should be a little more restricted, but I believe it is a right that we should have.
2018-01-24 01:04
#18
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Brazil |Guts| 
One person! LOL 0/8
2018-01-24 01:19
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Russia Klugervl 
"it is a right that we should have" - thats why police can shoot everyone, who scared them)) Now is a time, when grows up generation of children, who grown at shooter games. lets see what it will be...
2018-01-24 01:35
What?
2018-01-24 04:08
#141
Zeus | 
Russia Klugervl 
Its ur language. Just read
2018-01-24 04:34
It’s hard to understand is what I’m trying to get at here
2018-01-24 05:03
Well hes saying that people bitch about police shooting civillians for like no reason and mby they wouldnt if half the people didnt have access to a gun
2018-01-24 08:51
#239
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United States pSilent 
That’s not a gun issue. That’s a police vetting and training issue. Our cops are too corrupt, unstable, and untrained to be trusted in most states.
2018-01-24 14:55
your cops are trained to shoot first and ask questions later because if they dont they die by some criminals gun. theyre also trained to empty an entire mag center mass instead of just shooting someone in the leg once or whatever. if not many ppl had guns that wouldnt be necessary.
2018-01-25 13:28
#358
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United States Top_Ostrich 
Where cops shoot people is up to the officer and how they handle the situation. Officers are trained to shoot people in the leg but if you feel your life is in danger you eliminate the threat. Shooting someone who is fucked up on Meth in the leg won't stop them from firing back at you after. We do have an issue with properly vetting our officers, and providing them proper training. I'd say that is the bigger issue we have. Hiring trigger happy, easily angered assholes instead of people who just want to keep people safe.
2018-01-25 15:54
some ppl feel their life is in danger every time a black guy walks towards them
2018-01-25 16:12
#388
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United States Top_Ostrich 
They are racists. This would fall under the properly vetting people we hire to protect us and the law.
2018-01-25 16:20
Complaining about shooter games on a counter strike board. Omegalul
2018-01-25 16:39
=DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD NA
2018-01-24 02:31
You know if know one had a guns there would be nothing you have to defend yourself from...
2018-01-24 18:11
Yeah, I’m saying people should have have the right to guns
2018-01-24 21:42
english motherfucker do you speak it?
2018-01-25 13:28
Yep. Man just put his big boy pants on and is using big words now.
2018-01-25 16:59
#343
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Denmark Xipingu 
And here's the number 1 reason why the US is as fucked as it is. We are too fragile a species to be given weaponry for ourselves to judge when to use or not. Why do you think the world is fucked too? We have people with control over atomic weaponry - some of them mentally unstable. No one should have the right to guns - unfortunately society is already too fucked for this, so it's only a matter of time. Deal with it.
2018-01-25 15:17
US sure is fucked. Why don’t we take a look at places that are actually ‘fucked’ and need help, like Africa and India
2018-01-25 16:57
#409
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Denmark Xipingu 
They won't get help. Not proper help, anyway. Because we're not willing to give them that help. I mean have you seen what humanitarian organisations take for themselves when you donate? The US is fucked in the sense of personal justice. You can't dictate what people with guns are going to do regardless of law enforcement. I think the MASSIVE amount of school shootings, assaults and killings there are - which most of the time is the highest in terms of countries that is considered high tech and 1st world - speaks for themselves.
2018-01-25 20:00
IT'S EVERYDAY BRO
2018-01-24 01:05
Looks at places where guns are banned. There’s still gun violence. Wow, it’s surprising that criminals don’t follow laws!
2018-01-24 01:07
But the statistics show that it's in a very different scale.
2018-01-24 01:14
If people want something, they’ll get it. Just because there’s illegal drugs doesn’t mean nobody can get them, especially in the us.
2018-01-24 01:17
Guns are highly regulated in most other countries. Between 1966 and 2012 nearly one third of ALL mass shootings in the world happened in the United States. If you don't see a correlation, I'm curious to hear what you think the reason is.
2018-01-24 01:35
#32
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Russia Klugervl 
he fights for the rights because in school them learn "to fight for the rights", not to use brain and think. imao
2018-01-24 01:38
#59
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Sweden imgur 
Yeah but USA have had guns for so long all the criminals would still have them, it is a fucked up situation.
2018-01-24 02:27
The criminals have guns in Denmark as well. Still the murder rates are much lower. I know it's fucked up, because everyone have guns now..., hard to change.
2018-01-24 02:41
#149
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Korea kaiske10v 
USA also has a much higher nigger rate
2018-01-24 05:23
#163
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Sweden imgur 
USA has more illegal immigrants and blacks. The criminals in New Zealand have guns too, infact here is a funny story, police were to called to break up a fight between 2 drunk guys with golf clubs, they ended up finding $2 million $1.5 million in cocaine and 4 assault rifles, anyways all this proves is gun control doesn't stop criminals.
2018-01-24 07:00
The story is funny for sure. Of course it doesn't stop criminals. But it limits the number of gun killings. The only ones denying that are the NRA and the right wing politicians - primarily in the US.
2018-01-24 18:14
Yes it's impossible to ban, but they could start by making it harder to get, not walk on the street with a fucking m4 and then say I'm not doing anything wrong-.- murica is fucking fucked and they know it but don't want to change a damn
2018-01-24 11:47
#286
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United States BioLine 
lmao, why would we make it harder to get guns, the only people goin through the procedures are law abiding citizens, even if we tighten up back ground checks, mass shooters will just bypass that by getting them illegally.
2018-01-25 04:51
gunviolencearchive.org/reports/child-inj.. to save these children from their dumb parents having guns accessible to them.
2018-01-25 13:35
#140
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Indonesia lotnok 
its not like that. i want a lamborghini but do i want to work my ass of to get it now? no.. i'm hungry and want to eat nice food and there's a expensive restaurant there 1000 km away, but there's also a fast food restaurant 100 m away that provides equally delicious food, which do i choose? it also applies to those shooters. gun violence happens a lot in america because guns are easily accessible there legal or not, compared to other countries, even to other most populated countries like china, india, indonesia, etc. why is that? also don't say "if people want to kill, they will kill no matter what". it's not as black and white as that. the idea is not 'to kill no matter what', it's 'anger' and which type of release is the most instant, pleasurable, and convenient and guns happen to be the perfect solution to that. killing via other methods like punching to death (there would be a point where u want to stop after seeing the victim's condition), stabbing (same as punching, also too sadistic, and bloodstains), running over people with vehicles (i dare u if u asked shooters if they would resort to this method if they couldn't get a gun, i would bet my house they would say no, because it's too barbaric and too much of a hassle) etc don't give the same effect as guns so just because people are angry, doesn't mean they will kill no matter what.
2018-01-24 04:25
I was baiting btw I feel like a dick now lmao
2018-01-24 08:45
#194
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Indonesia lotnok 
dont be. ur comment is very real, there are ppl in reddit who say the same :D
2018-01-24 09:20
I honestly don’t give a fuck about gun laws. If I can buy one, I will, if I can’t, I won’t. That’s about as far as it goes for me.
2018-01-24 09:42
and yet drugs are illegal and guns are legal in usa. nice argument.
2018-01-25 13:30
#84
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France TROIIDA 
That's a stupid and incorrect argument. Look at Australia and gun violence after they changed their laws as a consequence of the Porth Arthur massacre. slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/03/d.. penny for your thoughts.
2018-01-24 03:00
#104
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Indonesia lotnok 
+1
2018-01-24 03:20
I think my bait was too strong.
2018-01-24 03:50
#133
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France TROIIDA 
Fan of Cloud9 and US flag. Your fellow countrymen would try to argue the same point you made and actually be serious about it.
2018-01-24 03:56
Sorry, wasn’t obvious enough.
2018-01-25 13:35
#134
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Indonesia lotnok 
it's not a bait. many americans also share that same argument so..
2018-01-24 04:05
#307
2018-01-25 13:35
if what youre saying as bait is the actual opinion of a lot of ppl from your country and youre not dropping any hints that youre baiting, you cant be that surprised to be taken seriously.
2018-01-25 13:31
#307
2018-01-25 13:36
I'm pretty sure getting murdered with a gun isn't worse than getting murdered with anything else, and I'm pretty sure the murder rate doesn't lower very noticeably if at all once guns are banned. Anyways you're a dumb Swedish faggot who thinks Muslims raping women is progress and that you should just shut up and obey your government.
2018-01-24 01:09
No need to be rude
2018-01-24 01:15
Danes aren't any better. I also hate Brits and the French.
2018-01-24 01:17
You sound like a real fun guy at parties.
2018-01-24 01:18
xD
2018-01-24 01:28
STFU Americano.
2018-01-24 01:34
#361
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United States Top_Ostrich 
Look kids someone on an international site who's a xenophobe. Point and laugh at the idiot, gather round.
2018-01-25 15:59
#24
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Sweden flippig 
Obviously touched a nerve
2018-01-24 01:25
no shit you're more likely to be killed by a gun in America. Its not the same as murder rates...
2018-01-24 01:54
No it's not the same, but murder rates aren't much different. The murder rates in the US are REALLY high compared to other developed countries.
2018-01-24 02:07
#60
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Sweden imgur 
And most of those murders happen in Detroit and places, and most of it is black on black or spic on spic, also if the dems weren't allowing illegal immigrants into the country the rate would drop
2018-01-24 02:28
#363
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United States Top_Ostrich 
Illegal immigrants are usually involved in drug crimes, not violent crimes
2018-01-25 16:00
#374
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Sweden imgur 
Kate Steine?
2018-01-25 16:09
#387
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United States Top_Ostrich 
I said usually involved. You can obviously name a shooting committed by an illegal immigrant, doesn't disprove me.
2018-01-25 16:18
#393
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Sweden imgur 
The rate would still drop if we didn't let them into the country
2018-01-25 16:25
#401
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United States Top_Ostrich 
dropping the rate 1 or 2% is good, but that's too small a margin to focus on.
2018-01-25 17:49
#420
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Sweden imgur 
what about the millions in money we lose from them?
2018-01-26 05:14
#459
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United States Top_Ostrich 
this is a conversation about gun violence and its relation to illegal immigrants.
2018-01-26 14:53
#463
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Sweden imgur 
would the murder rate drop from not taking in illegal immigrants yes or no?
2018-01-26 16:14
#464
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United States Top_Ostrich 
#401
2018-01-26 17:09
#467
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Sweden imgur 
it has more benefits then just that
2018-01-26 18:47
sure, but Europeans act like we're scared to get shot every time we walk outside. Its really not the case at all. There is way to much exaggeration, especially on this site.
2018-01-24 02:28
It's nothing like that. I go to the US a lot, and I'm never scared to walk in the streets or anything like that. But it doesn't change the fact that the murder rates are extremely high compared to other developed countries.
2018-01-24 02:34
i would imagine that gang violence or drug violence contributes to the vast majority of murders in the US.
2018-01-24 03:00
It probably does in most countries
2018-01-24 03:01
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population 900,000 people is a lot more than any other country
2018-01-24 03:04
Almost 1 mill.... wow That's like a fifth of my country, haha!
2018-01-24 03:11
Well actually is like that! You are afraid to confront someone because ohh he might take a gun from his pocket and shoot u in the ass. Just shut the fuck up and take ur consequences. You know all this shut it's true yet you keep defending it. Whenever someone brings this topic up, all you amerifats go crazy, now when some little shut happens in other countries you go all happy, Americans worst nation in this fucking world
2018-01-24 11:51
#67
2018-01-24 14:56
#287
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United States BioLine 
Salty because we whipped ur asses in ww1
2018-01-25 04:57
Then why is the murder rate in the USA 5 times higher than most other developed countries?
2018-01-24 02:39
Because they are braindead
2018-01-24 11:51
#244
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United States pSilent 
The U.S can’t be considered as one homogenous nation. The states are two diverse to characterize under an umbrella like most other countries could be. In very developed states, like California, Washington or New York, crime rates as a whole are significantly lower than places like Liousiana or Arkansas, and much comparable to other developed nations, at least in Western Europe.
2018-01-24 15:02
Factor out gang violence. I don’t care much about function laws, I feel that it’s abundantly obvious there’s a lot of gang violence in the us.
2018-01-25 13:38
#89
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France TROIIDA 
Everything in your post is wrong. Congratulations! Now crawl back to your trailer van.
2018-01-24 03:02
"I'm pretty sure the murder rate doesn't lower very noticeably if at all once guns are banned." of course youre sure, thats what youve been taught te believe.
2018-01-25 13:31
There's much worse violence in many other parts of the world. I don't know why people focus on America as if we're somehow the epicenter for gun violence, since we aren't. Like, fuck, we have more guns by population than almost any other country, yet fucking Brazil, which has 10 times less guns by population, has nearly twice as much gun violence. If you actually consider how many guns exist in people's hands in the US, our violence rates are pretty fucking small.
2018-01-24 01:12
#20
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Spain Almendrix 
Actually, is pretty sad to compare USA to Brazil in terms of violence. Take into account favelas and that kind of stuff, don't think there are in murica many places with that kind of poverty and criminality... Anyway, there are many countries in the world in which people have guns forbidden, and I can assure you that they are pretty safe though... I think the most extreme case is Japan, where the police don't even be allowed to carry out guns (wtf?xD). At least, I can tell you that here, at least in Spain, we freak out only thinking about people being able to carry gun in whatever situation... xD
2018-01-24 01:19
If you think there isn't some really terrible poverty in the United States you're absolutely, unequivocally wrong. It's perfectly fair to compare one country to another, there is no distinction between violence. There are social norms that effect the overall outcome, but to call that unfair is simply bypassing the larger problem at hand. Violence is decidedly larger in areas of poverty, which is just as true in the United States as in Brazil. Are they of equivalent levels? No. Is the violence worse in one than the other? Yes. Can we extrapolate why? Absolutely. That isn't about fairness, it's about facts. Anyway, it's probably not clear given what I've said in these statements, but I do believe in firearm restrictions (but I also believe in the right to bear arms, regardless). I work in a pretty dangerous area, and I'd be absolutely lying to you if I said I was unhappy that one of my coworkers maintains a concealed firearms license, especially given some of the situations I've found myself in.
2018-01-24 01:57
#115
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Brazil KerimZ 
you said that brazil has nearly twice as much gun violence but the thing is, most of the gun violence are from drug dealers killing eachother, the problem with USA is that there's a bunch of mass shootings, there's no mass shootings in brazil, i don't remember the last time that someone decided to shoot at innocent people for no reason.
2018-01-24 03:29
That's an absolutely irrelevant point though, because the gun violence is still higher, regardless of us having mass shootings. You're dealing with criminal acts in both cases, does one supersede the other?
2018-01-24 03:31
#121
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Brazil KerimZ 
but OP is talking about mass shootings not about gun violence in general, things like what happened in that country show or that church only happen in USA.
2018-01-24 03:35
I understand that, but it's why I brought up gun violence as a whole. The US gets scrutiny for mass shootings, as it should, but it's a narrow window into a much larger issue.
2018-01-24 03:37
#128
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Brazil KerimZ 
yea not allowing guns wouldn't lower gun violence for sure, but i think that it would lower mass shootings, because it seems like most of the people behind mass shootings at USA are not even criminals, they just "snap" at some point and they happen to have easy acess to rifles because guns are allowed, but even if guns were not allowed criminals would still get guns.
2018-01-24 03:43
I completely agree with that, since a lot of our mass shootings come in the form of legally obtained firearms. You're absolutely correct that mass shootings are largely not from what you would consider the standard "criminal." I realize what I said above may not really be a clear indication, but I do believe we need more checks in place when it comes to gun ownership.
2018-01-24 03:45
I just don’t understand the counter-arguement in place against something like tri-yearly psychological exams for gun ownership.
2018-01-25 13:49
#340
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Spain Almendrix 
One of my co-workers had return this year from an internship in CA, and she said that the feeling about security was way different there than in Spain. She was living close to Berkeley (don't sure where exactly tho) and she was very concerned about wandering or walking after sundown, feeling very insecure whenever she has to. I can assure you that I've never been involved in a situation in what I've thought ''Dammit, I need a gun'', or I had felt seriously in danger, although I live, in fact, in one of the poorest neighbouhoods in Madrid (Carabanchel). I was not that long ago for a couple of weeks on SF, and it was in general a great experience. Everybody was incredibly humble, and very friendly though. However, I've stated that the difference between rich and deprivated people was very high. I understand that SF is not a good example of the entire USA, but it was kinda shocking.
2018-01-25 15:10
California's problem stems from a lot of things, some of which are actually directly attributed to Mexico. I haven't been to SF, personally, but I've been through parts of Cali and I do generally consider it a very different place than the majority of the US. That said, there are plenty of places in the world where you don't walk at night, and in some of the inner city neighborhoods in America that's one of them. It's unfortunate, but a system of the current culture, as is gun violence.
2018-01-25 19:44
#414
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Spain Almendrix 
Yep, Cali seems to be different, and Mexico is actually a resemblance of what your president has stated lately: sh*thole, so it's fair to say that really can affect in violence situation. One of the most shocking experience that you get while you travel in USA is the inmensity of everything. Freakin California has moreless the same size that my country (!). Being from EU, where the countries aren't that big, make us imo more difficult to understand properly the different cultures that are present in all of the states. If there are as many difference as we've got in europe, it's awesome how you people can come together that good... I'm really looking forward to visit USA again, but this time I'd rather prefer to go to the east coast (NY) or to the south, dunno.
2018-01-26 01:51
Yeah, I mean, Cali is a huge mixing pot. But, yes sadly they suffer from some of the issues that Mexico has. And yeah, it does affect our violence rates. But there's also simply a lot of ethnic divide there. There are certainly things to recommend Cali, but it's not really my cup of tea personally. Don't visit the South, unless you go to larger areas, or are going to Florida for the beaches, because there's a lot of racism in those parts of the country. The south can be nice, I just don't recommend it if you aren't used to America. The upper East Coast is definitely a great place to visit though, there's a lot to see and do and is general more open-minded in my experience. Yeah, I mean the thing about the US (and I've explained this to people here a few times and they kind of don't understand) is that there's a lot of emptiness in the middle. The large majority of our country is on the East and West coast, with not much in the Midwest areas. But you're right, there's certainly different cultures separating most of the states, but the one thing you can give Americans credit for is their love of their country. As an American, you do find that you can be very different from other people in the country, but largely they will still accept you. I suppose that's an upside, but there are areas that have animosity towards one another (the north and the south in particular). Anyway, I hope any travels that you have here are both fun and safe. I hope to visit Spain some day, myself. Europe fascinates me because, like you said, there's so many different kinds of cultures really closely packed together.
2018-01-26 02:03
#416
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Spain Almendrix 
We actually had tried recently to make like a European League of Countries, but we hadn't been able to overcome or diferences (sad but true, to many personal interest trying to disrupt that). At least, we aren't killing each other (I will say yet, kappa). It's amazing how you can here move like 100 miles and go through 4-5 different languages and cultures, specially on central europe, and with that many people packed in that close distance we've been fighting each other prolly from the beginning of the times, sigh. I deff recomend you to visit Spain. I'm from Madrid, so Id be a little biased and I'll recomend you Madrid indeed (xD). BUT, there's a bunch of incredible places to visit elsewhere: Andalucia for the nicest people in Spain, best food and beautiful mixture of cultures (jewish, christian and arab), Barcelona, the most international city of (yet) Spain, and many other not-that-big cities (Salamanca, Zaragoza, Toledo, etc.). I was planning actually to go near NY, but people had told me that it's kinda expensive, compared to other cities nearby.
2018-01-26 02:14
Yeah, though in Europe the levels of violence are very different from the US. It's a cultural thing, but we also don't have the kinds of divides you're talking about. We have some divides, but I think they're more nuanced overall. I could be wrong though, I'd have to spend more time in Europe to see. I will say that almost every European I've met over the years has been really nice. I will NOT say the same about all Asians, since I went to school with a lot of foreign exchange students from China who weren't the best people... I've heard Spain is really beautiful, and from an art and cultural perspective I'd love to see it. Spanish architecture, for instance, is really amazing and I greatly admire that. If I ever get a chance to go, I will definitely take a look at your recommendations. NYC can be very expensive, yes. There are worse places in the US, but not many. I think people probably were right, that other cities in the area are a bit cheaper. But also, NYC isn't really like anywhere else in the country, it's about as "American" as you can get. Which isn't always good, unfortunately, because while there's a lot of culture there's also a lot of rush and discontent. I do still believe it's a great place to visit, just understand it's a little bit rough around the edges depending on where you are.
2018-01-27 01:30
If you took out poor blacks and Latinos out of the USA the gun death rate would stop by over 60% while only Removing less than 20% of the population and if you took out blacks it would drop by about 50%. So obviously it's inner city gangs that cause most of the problems with guns in the US. And do you know how those gangs obtain guns??? That's right illegaly so it's not like gun laws would do any more to stop it....
2018-01-24 04:06
#225
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Spain Almendrix 
Again, do you reckon that in other places like Germany, UK, Spain, Portugal.. are also armed gangs? Something HAS to be wrong with USA society, imo, dunno if gun laws or inequality or people's mentality...
2018-01-24 12:02
Sorry, didn’t mean to comment here.
2018-01-25 13:48
Between 1966 and 2012 nearly one third of ALL mass shootings in the world happened in the United States...! That's not pretty fucking small.
2018-01-24 01:40
You're talking about mass shootings, which is a small sample size of total overall violence. I'm not talking about mass shootings, I'm talking about a larger picture strictly involving gun violence on the whole. Mass shootings make up a decidedly small amount of actual violence, even if they are atrocious events. But if we looked at the statistics for gun murder in some other counties, the actual statistics for that are much higher. Which begs this question: why are you focusing on a small part of a larger problem?
2018-01-24 02:06
I agree we shouldn't just look at part of the problem! Did you read the article I posted in #40?
2018-01-24 01:55
Yeah, I've read it. And it's very true, that by comparison to a lot of other developed nations we have worse gun violence. I wasn't really arguing that point. It's an issue in this country, and I make no qualms about it. It is, however, greatly exaggerated in the larger scope.
2018-01-24 02:01
I know - I go to the US a lot, and it's not like I don't feel safe going in the streets or anything like that. It's just so hard for Europeans to understand the resilience against doing something after watching one school shooting after another.
2018-01-24 02:05
I do think that's an issue in this country, and I think a lot of it comes down to better gun laws. There's probably a lot of social reasons we could point to as to why we're having these problems. The issue is that most mass shootings are seemingly caused by legally obtained guns, but the larger scope of gun violence is far more grey than that. There's also a pretty strict divide in this country over the gun laws, because one side of the isle wants the US to be the wild west, and the other side wants to eliminate guns from law-abiding citizens entirely, and I personally find both views far too extreme. This is really a whole other topic though.
2018-01-24 02:11
And I know it's tough to deal with now... because the guns are already there...
2018-01-24 02:15
It's a stigma, unfortunately. There's an entire culture in this country built around the personification of gun ownership and militarization. It's fucking stupid, but changing it will not happen in a single lifetime (most likely). We've fostered it though, to be fair, which goes into a lot of other historical aspects to our society. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested in pursuing my career in other parts of the world, if nothing else but to get away from it for a while (I love America, but not always what we stand for).
2018-01-24 02:19
I hear you! I really love the US in many ways - I have some very close friends in Nashville, and I go there regularly. But the Americans (not all of course) obsession with guns is sick. The only people with guns here in Denmark, are criminals, the police and a very few people with special permits (hunters etc.) I understand that the US is a different country, and that you would want to own a gun for protecting against wild animals or whatever - but nobody needs a full automatic rifle, unless you plan to kill people. Good luck if you decide to travel at some point! ;)
2018-01-24 02:31
I've traveled a bit here and there, I just haven't decided about getting a job outside of the country. I think I could do it, since I'd love to get some job perspective from a few other places, but it'd be hard on a personal level. Like you, I have friends in a bunch of other countries, so I've been around a bit. I completely agree that the obsession with guns is pretty silly, I don't own one myself for that reason.
2018-01-24 02:40
So which countries do you like so far?
2018-01-24 02:43
I've been to the UK, France, and Taiwan. Honestly, I liked them all. Taiwan was surreal, it's very different from the US/Europe. I loved it for that though. I have friends in other places, and would love to see a lot more.
2018-01-24 02:51
Yeah - Asia is like going to a different planet, haha. But super interesting. UK and France is nice. Going to UK in a couple of weeks... I have a song in the Eurovision (if you ever heard of that).
2018-01-24 02:55
I haven't, but to be fair I've been fairly isolated whenever I was in the UK (since I was with a friend and his family just outside of London). Yeah man, Asia is pretty crazy. I was surprised how nice the people were to me in Taiwan, it was a really great experience. I'd like to visit Ireland at some point, since there's a lot of Irish in my ancestry.
2018-01-24 03:01
Ok - it's the biggest song competition in the world. All European countries, plus Russia, Israel, Australia... 200 mill. TV viewers watching the finals. You should go to Ireland then... I heard it's nice. I haven't been there since I was 7... ;)
2018-01-24 03:07
Shoot man, that's actually really awesome! Congrats on that, seriously. I've heard it's quite beautiful. A friend of mine and I have made a pact to start a pub there whenever we retire haha.
2018-01-24 03:13
Thanks a lot! I'm not in the international finals yet, but I have 3 songs in the national finals - one in the UK (on BBC) and two in Denmark. Pretty big tv shows as well. Have to win to go through to the international one, fingers crossed... It is beautiful - but also a quite poor county. Irish pubs are always legendary..! Sounds like a great pact, haha!
2018-01-24 03:21
That's really cool, and to be perfectly honest I'm a little jealous! Haha. I wish you all the best! Hope you win something big. Yeah, I've heard, but it's a very beautiful place, which always draws me to it (since I'm a very visual person by nature). I do believe it's a good pact! Here's hoping we both make it there!
2018-01-24 03:23
Gotta sleep - it's 3:20 am here..!
2018-01-24 03:22
Shoot man, get some rest! Good luck, again!
2018-01-24 03:24
Thanks a lot. Good luck to you too. Nice "speaking" with you. ;)
2018-01-24 03:26
This is actually an interesting article: cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-comp..
2018-01-24 01:50
#91
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France TROIIDA 
Umm, america isn't currently at war if you're thinking of Syria or anything of the like. Out of the first world countries this planet has, none suffers more gun violence than USA.
2018-01-24 03:03
Did I mention anything about war, or about first world countries...?
2018-01-24 03:11
#98
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France TROIIDA 
No i was making an assumption. So you're saying you don't consider your own country to be first world?
2018-01-24 03:13
The United States is a first world country, but that doesn't intersect with my argument in any way.
2018-01-24 03:16
#102
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France TROIIDA 
Then i do this slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/03/d.. and i say checkmate, you are wrong.
2018-01-24 03:17
Do you even understand what you're talking about? That article has nothing to do with what I said.
2018-01-24 03:21
#112
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France TROIIDA 
"There's much worse violence in many other parts of the world. I don't know why people focus on America as if we're somehow the epicenter for gun violence, since we aren't." But out of first world countries america takes the number one spot in gun violence. If the point you're trying to make is that compared to how many guns exist the violence is small your post is irrelevant and you shouldn't have been irresponsible and typed it.
2018-01-24 03:25
I'm not comparing gun violence between First World countries, I'm comparing it to global gun violence, regardless of country. I did make a comparison, backed by valid information, about how much gun violence we have in proportion to actual firearms. At no point did I argue against us not having the most violence out of first world countries, nor did I argue that the number of guns we have doesn't contribute to the excessive amounts of violence that we had. Which is, again, why everything you've said has absolutely no bearing on the things I'm talking about. You aren't countering any of the points I've made, because you're comparing information I'm not even discussing in the first place.
2018-01-24 03:29
#120
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France TROIIDA 
Bruh that's like comparing temperature on earth and the sun. Would anyone be surprised if the answer was that the sun is hotter?
2018-01-24 03:34
Is that really your argument? A blanket "but I'm right"?
2018-01-24 03:35
#123
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France TROIIDA 
No im realizing i just wasted my time completely since i assumed you were trying to make a valid point. The jokes are on me.
2018-01-24 03:37
Good discussion.
2018-01-24 03:39
#129
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France TROIIDA 
Yes it was. Have a nice evening or whatever timezone you're on and hope you're having a great week!
2018-01-24 03:44
Likewise! Even if we don't agree, there's no ill will here man.
2018-01-24 03:46
#144
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Indonesia lotnok 
because america has #1 influence to the world.
2018-01-24 04:59
#158
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Indonesia lotnok 
imagine school shootings happen more frequently there and for some retarded reason they choose to blame it on violent video games and ban them. then if other countries follow this decision to ban, including mine where there's like non existent gun violence, i would be mad too :D
2018-01-24 05:51
Actually you are the epicenter of gun violence. You will soon have more guns than population!
2018-01-24 11:52
I am surprised that you compare yourself with Brazil
2018-01-25 04:50
Well, a lot of people like to call us third world.... Lmao
2018-01-25 13:49
Aka Brazilians
2018-01-25 17:27
because you pretend to be a first world country and yet have most gun murders, shittiest education and healthcare of all developed nations?
2018-01-25 13:32
Yet none of those things have any bearing on what I said.
2018-01-25 19:48
what you actually said is fucking retarded. hurr durr what about brazil fix your own shit then complain about brazil. tens of thousadns die by the gun and you assholes just refuse to give a fuck.
2018-01-26 11:17
You should calm down over there. Also, nice counter points. Well articulated. I'm glad your educational system paid its dividends.
2018-01-27 00:42
telling someone to calm down isnt likely to work if youre going to make snarkey comments right after. have you heard of the term whataboutism?
2018-01-27 00:50
I did it purposely to upset you. Now you understand how you've been acting, you're welcome.
2018-01-27 00:54
im not really upset, just mildly annoyed. whatever you say cannot change the fact that people die unnecessarily in america because there are too many guns and you dont care to do anything about it. trivializing that by saying brazil is worse is kind of a dick move.
2018-01-27 01:04
It's not a dick move, it's just the truth. Now that I've got your attention, let's have a real conversation. The thing is, if you read what I've said above, you'd realize that I'm not arguing there isn't a problem. I have also said that I believe the US needs to realize there's an issue with gun violence, and that I believe that gun ownership restrictions make sense. I don't have an issue with people owning guns, but rather the ease in which they're acquired. If we remove mass shootings from the equation, our gun violence is still ridiculously high, but a lot of that violence is the same violence 3rd world countries endure. What people don't seem to understand about America is just how big the socio-economic divide really is. But, to put what you just said in perspective: would you rather solve gun violence in a country that's already doing well, or solve it in a country that isn't? Because, to me, it's unreasonable to focus on the US's violence when there are places which are worse off. Sure, if we're being idealistic it'd make sense to say "but all violence should be looked at objectively" but that isn't what happens (and isn't what's happening in this discussion). Which is basically my point, it's somewhat unfair to worry about the US when there are places that have it worse. We simply get looked at with more scrutiny because we're considered 1st world, meanwhile the problems in other places aren't even looked at. Reality isn't kind, that's just the bottom line here.
2018-01-27 01:17
" Because, to me, it's unreasonable to focus on the US's violence when there are places which are worse off." yeah, how about everybody focuses on their own problems. thats not unfair. you just want it to be unfair so you dont feel guilty about letting people die.
2018-01-27 01:26
Could you be any more of a bigot? You're actually a far worse person than anyone else in this thread, good job.
2018-01-27 01:35
well i mean you decided to show up in a thread about how shitty america is, what else am i supposed to do?
2018-01-27 01:36
You're trying too hard. Also I'm not even remotely patriotic, so frankly if you're trying to bait me into being upset that you don't like America you might want to rethink your approach.
2018-01-27 01:38
if youre not in favor of letting thousands of people get shot why are you making excuses?
2018-01-27 01:40
Why are you trying so hard?
2018-01-27 01:40
im trying to understand what youre doing here
2018-01-27 01:41
Obviously you aren't.
2018-01-27 01:41
youre kind of an enigma bro. youre in favor of gun control yet youre saying its not really necessary because more people get shot in some 3rd world country. make up your mind.
2018-01-27 01:43
This is my last response: Learn English. I'm not talking about punctuation.
2018-01-27 01:49
if i made any mistakes feel free to point them out. i love to learn. please dont complain about lack of punctuation
2018-01-27 01:48
#446
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Europe porrasm 
Maybe because US is a 1st world coubtry with more problems than a 3rd world country. You can't compare US and Brazil in statistics, they're completely on another level.
2018-01-26 10:22
Actually you can, and I did. That's actually the entire point of using statistics to back up arguments. And in fact, what you just said is completely wrong, because I literally outlined that we have less problems than Brazil, not more. So, I mean, don't be objective or anything, just argue a point based solely on emotion.
2018-01-27 00:41
#503
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Europe porrasm 
Do you want a fact? Here's a fact: US police shoot more than 10 times more people a year than police in Northern Europe. (Numbers obviously adjusted for population) This is why everyone always focuses on the US. There are a lot of things in the US that are much worse than they are in other 1st world countries.
2018-01-27 02:06
Yeah, it's a shitty statistic, but it's an unfortunate truth. And at no point would I argue that isn't a problem. People focus on the US for any number of reasons, some of it being paramount to blind hatred. Obviously one of those reasons is because we're considered a 1st world country, but a lot of people don't realize what that actually entails (because they've literally never been here). As I've mentioned above, some of our violence is because of the incredibly large gap posed by economic disparity. Gun violence due to financial means is a huge problem in this country. Look, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't be critical about the issues in our country, because we should be. I'm also not arguing that our gun violence, for a first world country, isn't absolutely absurd. But while we should obviously be leading by example, the sad truth is we aren't even the worst nation when it comes to some of these things (though we are if we are speaking about 1st world countries, which I've never attempted to refute). But as I also said above, should we focus only on America's problems, or should we be critical enough to look at the issues on the whole and admit we should be addressing them everywhere?
2018-01-27 02:17
#507
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Europe porrasm 
The question wasn't really should we focus on the problems of US, it was why are everyone focusing on the US. My answer to both: Should we: definitely not, it blinds us of other countries problems. Why do we: US is singled out for negative attention mostly because it is a huge country which is in the middle of the modern entertainment and media culture. Everyone knows of your problems. The end result is that people obly remember the bad about US which is why they get a negative image of it. I was only being hostile because your comment I was replying to first made you look like the stereotypical "overly protective US citizen". Sorry.
2018-01-27 10:02
Right, these were basically my points, so it's nice to see we agree! As for my comment above, I guess when you write something on the internet it's hard for people to understand your inflection (though my initial reply to you was a bit hostile, truthfully). Basically, what you've said here is what I was trying to say, but I've realized that a lot of people simply didn't get that. I'm pretty reasonable when it comes to most things, including my country. My issue is usually that people are quick to judge something at face value instead of looking at the whole picture.
2018-01-27 18:26
#11
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Romania EdwardGabriel 
WTF last age : 15 y o, kk
2018-01-24 01:15
#12
BnTeT | 
China NA_LUL 
at least usa doesnt have muslims nt swedenistan
2018-01-24 01:16
Educate yourself, please...
2018-01-24 01:37
what the fuck are you talking about ? They do + they have more terrorist attack deaths than any EU country
2018-01-24 01:39
#103
BnTeT | 
China NA_LUL 
EU retards dont understand sarcasm on HLTV
2018-01-24 03:19
That's not sarcasm - that's just dumb
2018-01-24 03:28
#206
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Lithuania Mr|Joel 
Pretty sure you dont know how to use sarcasm.
2018-01-24 11:24
Call it sarcasm after you saw how stupid you are
2018-01-24 11:53
#260
BnTeT | 
China NA_LUL 
lmao so many EU libertards triggered
2018-01-24 20:24
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. It's like trying to blame road accidents on cars.
2018-01-24 01:18
#21
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Germany VeryNiceGuy 
nuclear bomb dont kill people. People kill people. Free Nukes for all! Have a nice day! -VeryNiceGuy
2018-01-24 01:20
lmao +1
2018-01-24 07:41
but it's way easier to kill someone with a gun. just pull a triger and it's done. but with knife for example, you have to fight with your victim, push the knife in the guts using your own muscles. you are going to get dirty and be covered in blood. guns give power. killing with guns is fast and clean so people are more likely to commit a crime using guns.
2018-01-24 01:32
+1 Americans cannot understand how easy guns make killing. It's also why USA has such high suicide rate with guns. It is easier to be feeling really really depressed one evening and shoot yourself and be dead in 1 sec instead of hanging yourself or overdosing
2018-01-24 02:05
#173
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Indonesia lotnok 
+1 guns are too convenient, instant deletion leaving you with full satisfaction and without regrets, at least even if u regret it after pulling the 1st trigger, u will feel there's no way out and then go all the way, dealing exact damage to more others. whereas with other metheod of killings, firstly it's slower, also while in the middle of doing that, ur humanity will have a bigger/more chance to kick in and stop the act so it's less deadly.
2018-01-24 07:33
This is why there is speeding limits in most countries! ;)
2018-01-24 01:38
LMAO, nice one
2018-01-24 02:15
#62
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Sweden imgur 
Hence why there are regulations in America?
2018-01-24 02:30
#62
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Sweden imgur 
Hence why there are regulations in America?
2018-01-24 02:30
Maybe they should take an extra look at their "speeding limits".... if you know what I mean... ;)
2018-01-24 02:37
#162
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Sweden imgur 
Yes then only criminals have guns smart idea.
2018-01-24 06:57
Yes. That's how it is in most European countries - very few gun killings.
2018-01-24 11:50
#236
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Sweden imgur 
But European countries don't have 100 million guns.
2018-01-24 14:50
Because it's regulated. I agree that is nearly impossible to deal with, because they're already out there - but doing nothing is even worse.
2018-01-24 18:48
#36
BnTeT | 
Germany cucKing 
Cars = made to bring you from A to B in less time than if you walk Guns = made for war/to kill people
2018-01-24 01:46
This is actually an interesting article: cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-comp..
2018-01-24 01:49
youre kinda late to the party, many studies have shown that people who own guns are more likely to be killed by a gun. therefore guns kill people.
2018-01-25 13:34
#369
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Terrorists don't kill people bombs do. Stupid argument isn't it.
2018-01-25 16:02
#19
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Germany VeryNiceGuy 
cmon only 14 shooting this year, aint that bad KKona Have a nice day! -VeryNiceGuy
2018-01-24 01:19
#465
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Indonesia lotnok 
xd
2018-01-26 17:44
be american get shot lmao
2018-01-24 01:22
nt ruskie , oh wait
2018-01-24 03:17
#26
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Brazil coldzao2 
> mass shooting > 0 dead pick both
2018-01-24 01:30
not every bullet is fatal, retard
2018-01-25 13:35
USA Population 323 mi Sweden Population 9,9 mi Fuck you just another retard leftist saying that guns is the problem, the guns are the solution look at my country the guns are totally controled and we have 80k murders by year, the only people that have guns here is the thugs, the guns are the best weapon against a totalitarian regime, like Cuba, Venezuela and NK. When a terrorist attack happens the only thing that will stop the terrorist it's another gun! "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes" Thomas Jefferson Here's an good video to your shit argument: facebook.com/GuerraseSuasCuriosidades/vi..
2018-01-24 02:22
It's look like we have a brazilian rambo here!
2018-01-24 02:46
Hahaha nice comment... XD
2018-01-24 02:57
#228
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Indonesia lotnok 
PEW PEW
2018-01-24 12:28
your country's problem is that its filled with brazilians. if you only had toothpicks there would still be 80k murders. automatic rifles arent gonna do so great against the regimes tanks and bombs, fyi.
2018-01-25 13:36
You know shit about my country
2018-01-25 18:02
The ban Only works for Europe because borders are separeted with the ocean and its hard to export guns, but in Usa,Brazil etc their border is with latino countries were is easy to carry guns because weak control in border. If you ban guns the crime will rise like in Brazil and the population will be hostage to Gov, people without guns= eazy control of population. Criminals have to think two times before doing any crime because they know that the victim can be armed, if you take away the fear will desapear and only the criminals will have guns.
2018-01-24 02:13
+1 That's exactly what happens in my shit country thank you to explain!
2018-01-24 02:17
np bro
2018-01-24 10:34
But don't you think a criminal is much more likely to shoot a victim if he thinks he's armed..?
2018-01-24 03:00
If you live in a country and you have kids dont you want to protect yourself? thats why Usa have very low assault in houses because criminals dont risk.
2018-01-24 10:36
Low assault in houses ahahaa now go slap yourself and educate too!
2018-01-24 11:58
i lived in usa idiot, you live in a fair tail, go watch CNN
2018-01-24 14:39
watch CNN ahahahahaha i'm done with you, what a retard
2018-01-24 17:36
you so stupid that you dont understand sarcasm
2018-01-24 20:54
And u so smart that ur an immigrant
2018-01-24 22:19
Legal one
2018-01-25 13:42
But it's obviously a false sense of security. People with guns are much more likely to get shot.
2018-01-24 11:58
+police more likely to shoot innocent people because they're afraid they're armed
2018-01-24 14:31
better than get killed with knifes in Londstan where cops are pussies. Search how many polices were killed in europe and then in usa
2018-01-24 14:40
Hahaha xD I love when ppl rekt themselves....
2018-01-24 18:08
true Denamark snowflake
2018-01-24 20:56
#156
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Canada Gumpypoo 
+1
2018-01-24 05:46
BUILD. THE. WALL.
2018-01-25 13:36
#54
f0rest | 
Netherlands PATOZR 
WHAT that many already in 2018?! wtf
2018-01-24 02:15
#66
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Sweden imgur 
One of the fucking shootings had 0 deaths how is that a mass shooting
2018-01-24 02:31
0 deaths is not a mass shooting.
2018-01-24 02:46
Mass shooting is not a mass murder. Mass shooting "A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of firearms-related violence." Mass murder "Mass murder is the act of murdering a number of people, typically simultaneously or over a relatively short period of time and in close geographic proximity"
2018-01-24 03:07
Ahhh... of course - I stand corrected
2018-01-24 03:30
#166
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Sweden imgur 
Most of the attacks on there are less then 3 dead, they are hardly mass shootings.
2018-01-24 07:05
#201
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Slovakia TatKo 
Read again
2018-01-24 10:17
They got shot but it didn't reg, the hit boxes were fucked. But 'shooting' doesn't imply deaths.
2018-01-24 14:34
Some people name mass shooting as an event in which someone shoots at multiple targets, not necessarily killing them. You can see that there were at least 3 injured.
2018-01-24 14:58
#68
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United States M00NIEHABRA 
Most shootings are in zones where guns are not allowed like in gay night clubs and when you ban guns only criminals own them and there is nobody besides the police to stop a shooter but even then police take like 20 minutes
2018-01-24 02:34
so bad excuse. how many times civil has stopped mass murder? 0 times.
2018-01-24 05:25
#167
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Sweden imgur 
Actually the church shooter got shot by a man with a legally owned gun.
2018-01-24 07:06
The church shooter was also himself using a legally owned gun.
2018-01-24 14:40
#240
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Sweden imgur 
You think he wouldn't have gotten one illegally, also that wasn't the guys point
2018-01-24 14:56
#505
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United States M00NIEHABRA 
There are many times where people stop robberies with guns but by reading your broken English of course you don't know that civilians have actually stopped them
2018-01-27 04:49
oo mr murican how many languages do you know? yea 1
2018-01-27 05:33
#509
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United States M00NIEHABRA 
Actually trying to learn Japanese so
2018-01-29 01:28
#71
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United States ItsImpact 
They should make guns much harder to get. They can’t fully get rid of guns because of the first commandment but they should at least make guns harder to get
2018-01-24 02:37
#155
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Indonesia lotnok 
already too much guns inside every home in USA even if they try to change the rules. its fucked :D unless they decide to go house to house to clean them up, even then people would just hide them inside the ground or mountains lul
2018-01-24 05:46
first commandment xdddd Thou shalt bear arms xddddddddd
2018-01-25 13:38
a normal day in the land of terrorism, not surprised at all.
2018-01-24 02:43
#169
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Sweden imgur 
>Syria 18+ Here is an average day in Syria 0x0.st/s89x.webm
2018-01-24 07:18
and? you have america and israel to thank for lol. where do you think they came from? what a retard
2018-01-24 18:36
there have been 3 school shootings in 2 days in the US, pretty bad week.
2018-01-24 02:53
#90
Friis | 
Canada uhJake 
Ugh i was close 2 a mass shooting in high school. I mean i live in florida rn, and i can go to gun store and walk out with an AR same day =D private gun sales OP
2018-01-24 03:03
As if all the insane fucks who did the mass shootings wouldn't try to find a gun illegally anyways.
2018-01-24 03:22
Maybe some of them wouldn't do the mass shooting, if they didn't have a gun in their drawer waiting, when they were in a bad mood.
2018-01-24 03:33
Or. They're fucking psychopaths who are able to find guns outside of a drawer or of a market that requires licenses. It really isn't that hard.
2018-01-24 08:00
Some of them would and some wouldn't. Some of these shootings are driven by impulse actions and some are planned for a long time. Those that are planned, are really hard to prevent.
2018-01-24 11:56
+10000 for being fucking reasonable and explaining it calmly
2018-01-25 13:39
If some bullied psychopath kid wants to shoot up his school because he is in a bad mood for couple hours, which situation is more likely to happen? 1. He takes a gun from his dads drawer 2. Tries to find someone that sells illegal gun to him
2018-01-24 11:34
The father is very likely to not ever show his son where his gun is. Look. Like it or not. Gun violence is just culture. If the USA does put more gun laws it will guarantee one thing: less mass shootings. However, this is still but a fraction of usa murder rates, and a fraction of gun violence in general. Gun violence will still mantain the same rate but just less mass shootings at best. (Gang violence, drug violence, poverty violence in poor cities)
2018-01-25 00:19
hahahaha the father is likely to not even keep his gun in a locked cabinet because he gets his dick hard at night fantasizing about killing some nigger who tries to break into his house.
2018-01-25 13:40
Gun laws aren't the only cause: in Canada there is about same laws, there is even more guns per capita than in the US. And yet, there is no such mass shooting, and way less shooting / capita. Look in Brazil and some other SA countries, they have a very high crime rate too. So perhaps there is a common cause with the US. First they have a lot of weapons too, but as I said, it doesn't explain everything. So what's more ? My genuine guess is : a very big "delta" of inequities (I will let the racial inequities aside, but somehow its countries where there is a lot of racial disparities). In both USA and Colombia&co there is billionaires and very poor people (41 millions in USA alone). This huge amount of inequities generate a lot of despair, then hate, then envy, then revolt/criminality. Leading to these killings. As "socialized" Europeans (and at least somewhat rich people since you can afford internet, computer, etc) it might be hard to understand how it feel when you have nothing meanwhile few km away, there is people swimming in pool of money.
2018-01-24 03:26
Canada's laws are very different from what I know. And there's roughly one third guns per capita in Canada compared to the US...! However I agree on your point about inequality.
2018-01-24 03:38
Inequality does not cause violence. That is low IQ thinking. People cause violence. There are poor white people who do no harm, but lots of black people who harm lots of people. Your euro flags check out.
2018-01-24 05:44
#170
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Sweden imgur 
while itdoesnt cause it im sure more poor blacks will shoot people then rich blacks
2018-01-24 07:20
So you're saying that people are not getting shot because of guns or inequality, but because of black people?
2018-01-24 12:00
Almost exactly. Guns and inequality has been around for hundreds of years. Shootings havent happened until recently. What has changed? The glorification of violence by hip hop culture and mass media.
2018-01-25 04:23
oh my god low iq thinking hahaha do you hear yourself say this shit? of course inequality causes violence retard. you try working 2 deadend minimum wage jobs 70 hours a week just to make ends meet for a couple years.
2018-01-25 13:41
How about being a peasant to a french lord during the 1600's? Did those poor people go out and kill people? No.
2018-01-26 05:03
yeah they did, they were forced to, its called conscription
2018-01-26 11:20
#182
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Indonesia lotnok 
it's the root cause though. no guns, no mass killings.
2018-01-24 07:42
It is not since in many other countries with weak gun laws there is no such things.
2018-01-24 15:21
#282
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Indonesia lotnok 
there are too many guns in america already. it's like cancer.
2018-01-25 04:45
What a lack of understanding of history. Before guns there were still mass killings, right?
2018-01-25 04:24
#339
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Indonesia lotnok 
before when humans were still monkeys
2018-01-25 14:18
So we were monkeys during the roman times or during the mongol empire period? Learn history my friend.
2018-01-26 05:03
#419
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Indonesia lotnok 
monkeys as in not as civilized. ppl tended to conquer others with force during those times until the whole world agreed u can't do that anymore so yeah ofc they mass killed. but if u gave guns to those ppl back then, the damage would have been greater.
2018-01-26 05:11
You have the mind of a child if you believe one word of what you just posted.
2018-01-26 05:17
#424
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Indonesia lotnok 
i am a child. point where i am wrong thanks
2018-01-26 05:25
Hopefully you grow up and learn something, instead of becoming a stupid libtard. I wish you the best.
2018-01-26 05:25
#127
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United States Droidd 
Idgaf
2018-01-24 03:40
USA is #1 target of Islamic Terrorism. You take people's guns away, then you'll see real mass shootings. To conquer a nation, you must first disarm its citizens. - Adolf Hitler
2018-01-24 04:07
So many uneducated cucks here it's insane. Most of the mass shootings are gang violence with less than 3 dead. So in a sense these are good shootings helping clean filth off our streets via lowlifes with illegal guns. Take out the black gang violence and the mass shootings drops by a fuck ton and gun murders drop about 50%. So stop blaming legal guns for deaths of criminals who use illegal guns in the frist place.
2018-01-24 04:12
#159
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Indonesia lotnok 
people don't rly care about gang wars, they care about mass/school shootings.
2018-01-24 06:38
I know but real mass shootings are rare and gang wars skew the stats
2018-01-24 06:41
#168
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Indonesia lotnok 
actually, the possibility of it even happening in the first place. in other countries this possibility is nearly non-existent regardless of population number.
2018-01-24 07:08
#171
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Sweden imgur 
yeah like paris and sweden right :>
2018-01-24 07:21
#176
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Indonesia lotnok 
it's once in a blue moon, in america it's like culture xD
2018-01-24 07:35
#177
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Sweden imgur 
The Paris attack was worse then any American shooting, 9/11 beats it but that has nothing to do with guns
2018-01-24 07:36
#179
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Indonesia lotnok 
those are terrorist attacks man, different topic.
2018-01-24 07:40
#180
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Sweden imgur 
gun control clearly didnt help france
2018-01-24 07:41
#192
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Indonesia lotnok 
more like border control if it's about terrorists lol. this topic is about civilians getting easy access to guns not terrorists. terrorists can do whatever they want and no gun control can do anything to prevent them if they have penetrated a country.
2018-01-24 09:02
#226
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Belgium sn0uby 
You could slam in his face that 12000+ american die each year by homicide commited with guns, but that won't matter. Given how he and some of his buddies type it's clear they are either paid or just enjoying saying bs. To give you an idea they say nowaday molembeek is a no go zone and dangerous. I went to sign contracts in molembeek numerous times a couple of years ago. I never felt threatened once, nothing ever happened to me or my car despite wearing constantly a suit. Probably went there even in the evening around 40-50 times. Those contracts were worth between 3650 and up to 12000 euros a piece. I sometimes even went there to recover some money directly if the contractor wanted to do it on the side. I wasn't even bothering to take a portable mini safe. Sure it's a cesspit, but those asstards want to make people believe, who for the most part have no clue, that it's actually super dangerous.
2018-01-24 12:08
Actually if you account for population in the last 10 years Finland has had 20 deaths from school shootings while USA has had like 70 and 40 if you don't include Sandy Hook (obvious false flag) So if you account for population that's pretty crazy considering they have 5m and we have 320m
2018-01-24 08:21
#193
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Indonesia lotnok 
hmm i see there were only 2 instances of actual mass shootings and if u look at the dates, both happened right after virginia tech shooting in usa. it definitely inspired them and other than that, nothing else. so finland is still clean my man.
2018-01-24 09:14
2018-01-24 11:25
do kids in schools qualify as filth just wondering
2018-01-24 13:14
+1
2018-01-24 14:58
ah the good old nobody cares about black on black violence meme
2018-01-25 13:42
#143
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Brazil LeeeO:9 
damn I wish I could go to the nearest store walk out with a gun
2018-01-24 04:48
#172
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Sweden imgur 
are u rlly gonna kys
2018-01-24 07:23
#178
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Indonesia lotnok 
aren't u from brazil? just ask the kid at favelas and u can get a pistol EZ xd
2018-01-24 07:37
Its 99% blacks killing people in America. Mostly other blacks.
2018-01-24 05:42
HMHMHMMH COPS
2018-01-24 07:30
#165
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Slovakia verg1ll 
how are those gun laws working for Swedistan where you get slaughtered by muslims daily?
2018-01-24 07:04
Check facts and numbers instead of reading shit on HLTV
2018-01-24 18:58
that was probably bad bait
2018-01-25 13:43
You are speaking from a country whose gun violence has raised every year and has the most rapes out of any other country in the world that's not 3rd world Africa. What do you say about this, Ahmed?
2018-01-24 08:11
#197
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Sweden flippig 
I say that its not true lul exept for that we are getting more gang shootings in our problem areas but it was still only 42ppl in 2017 who died from gun violence
2018-01-24 10:00
What part is not true? Do you not know about your own country? Sweden has by far the most rapes per 100,000 outside of 3rd world Africa. It's not even close lol look it up. Almost twice as much as the next country (Nicaragua), and nearly triple that of the US. So what is Sweden doing to combat all these women being raped? Your country is filled with rapists, getting flooded by muslims, and pumped full of guns and drugs by these immigrants, but yet you're worried about United States gun control. That's rather odd.
2018-01-24 22:12
#266
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Sweden flippig 
The way the crime itself is defined and various related aspects of the judicial process affect the registration of offences in the official statistics.[16][17] The concept of rape can be defined narrowly or in a more expansive manner. In Sweden, the definition of rape has been successively widened over the years, leading to an ever larger number of sexual assaults being classified as rape.[3][22][23][24] For example, in 1992 a legislative change came into force which shifted the dividing line between sexual assault and rape. This legislative change resulted in about a 25% increase in the level of registered rape offences.[16] Changes in the legal process has also affected the number of reports. Until 1984, rape was only prosecuted in cases where the victim was prepared to press charges, with an additional restriction of a six months time limit. This resulted in numerous cases of rape and sexual assault going unreported.[16] The Swedish prosecution system is governed by the principle of legality and the "equality principle", which means that as a rule, the police and the prosecution service are required to register and prosecute all offences of which they become aware. This can be assumed to lead to a more frequent registration of offences than in systems with the inverse "expediency principle", where the classification of offences is negotiable on the basis of plea bargaining, and the prosecutor has the right not to prosecute, even when a prosecution would be technically possible.[16][18] English speaking common law countries operate an adversarial system
2018-01-24 22:22
#267
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Sweden flippig 
and plz learn to differentiate between muslim and islamist you ignorant racist american
2018-01-24 22:24
Are you retarded? You do realize they're the same thing right? Islam and Muslim are both words used to describe the religion revealed to the Prophet Mohammed. Rather you want to call it "rape" or "sexual assault" your country leads the entire world in that category by a large margin outside of 3rd world Africa, and they have for a very long time. The way your country prosecutes such offenders is irrelevant, the fact is you have more offenders than any other non 3rd world country. You are aware that Muslim/Islam is a religion practiced by many different ethnicities, Muslim/Islam itself is not a race, its a religion. Nothing I said had anything to do with race, I believe I was talking about Sweden as a country. In what way does that make me a racist? You're a xenophobic moron that thinks all Americans are ignorant and racist, which is typical swedish behavior. All you're doing is self projecting. Have a nice day. :)
2018-01-24 22:44
#270
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Sweden flippig 
I guess you didnt read what i wrote or understood it. Rape statistics in sweden are misleading due to different factors that people of other countries often times aren't familiar with. 1, if someone gets raped over and over again under a long duration of time for example in a relationship and say that it happens 100 times, that will be listed as 100 individual ones which is very different to a lot of other countries, and the number adds up. 2, what qualifies as rape in Sweden differs a lot, there is no "criteria" of penetration for instance. If you commit a sexual crime that is in the same" level of indignity" as penetration it will qualify as rape and be reported as one. This means that forcefully touching someones genitals without consent is listed as rape. Sweden's legal definition of rape is so much wider than every other country's. Almost any assault sexual in nature is considered rape, and in almost every other country it would not be considered. Sweden also reports EVERY CHARGE of sexual violence separately, which greatly inflates those numbers. An example of that would be a man using his fingers to stimulate a woman forcefully and using his penis to penetrate - those are considered separate offenses. Another example would be if multiple men raped a woman - that would be considered multiple rapes instead of 1 rape. Those are some of the main reasons why the numbers are so high in Sweden, you add reported crimes of the same nature in any other country to the rape statistics and we could have a fair comparison.
2018-01-24 23:08
Hahhahahahahahah omfg dude you just went full retard hahaha
2018-01-25 14:10
need more guns KKona
2018-01-24 08:23
No toxic , only love pls
2018-01-24 08:46
mericans still live under archaic laws that their 'founding fathers' wrote em 300 years ago lul let them shoot each other who gives a shit FK THE GOVERNMENT MUH GUNZ KKona
2018-01-24 10:43
#208
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Indonesia lotnok 
+1 i also want america to crumble because there are too many entitled and loud retards there but we also need not forget that america has #1 influence to the world, if mass shootings become the norm there. other countries can also follow. also if their government tries to blame and ban video games for those shootings, then our countries might follow that same policy and we as gamers will be fucked too :D
2018-01-24 11:32
#246
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United States pSilent 
This is some low IQ logic right here.
2018-01-24 15:49
#257
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Indonesia lotnok 
Sure and USA has no gun problems LUL
2018-01-24 18:43
logic isnt high or low iq. something is either logical or it isnt. stay in school.
2018-01-25 13:44
#412
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United States pSilent 
Sure, I could say that his comment isn’t logical, but that would have detracted from the purpose of my comment. “low IQ” was the focus rather than the actual comment he wrote itself, as my comment was intended to be an insult. The opinion he gave in his comment just supplemented the opinion I provided about his low IQ, which is why I chose to mention it in direct relation to his low IQ. Using the the word “logic” was a more succinct way of indicating that I thought his way of thinking was indicative of low IQ, and the phrasing was more clear in directly relating my opinion about his comment to my insult about low intelligence, thus “low IQ logic”. Whether his comment is logical or not doesn’t factor.
2018-01-25 20:38
that insult only makes people think ur a retard.
2018-01-26 11:18
USA USA USA!
2018-01-24 11:40
#211
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Poland icelake 
June 12, 2016 Florida Orlando 1912 S Orange Avenue killed 50 Injured 53 monkaS
2018-01-24 11:40
Jan 23 Kentucky guy must've been using a Scout. Look at those assists.
2018-01-24 11:50
#227
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Sweden bolognese 
Imo if a shooter wants to shoot he will get a gun no matter what. But for example school shootings and random smaller incidents would probably decrease
2018-01-24 12:12
#229
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Indonesia lotnok 
if it's hard to get and the guy doesn't know any connection to the gun dealer then he might do something else, most likely less deadly, or go take a walk and forget his misery. come to asia sometimes. people here fight all the time like u all do but never once they think about doing mass shooting. why? firstly, it's not in the norm unlike US where it becomes a meme: "dude stop bullying that kid he might shoot up the school". secondly, people here don't know where to get one that it doesn't even cross their minds about doing mass shooting when they're feeling bad. so please stop with this bullshit "shooter will shoot no matter what" it's fucking stupid. also i think USA having 'land of the free' mentality also contributes with these incidents. the strong can keep 'freely' bullying the weak, and the weak and stupid can 'freely' choose to be pussy until breaking down, then 'freely' decide to end others lives.
2018-01-24 13:10
BR has oposite type of gun law, we dont have terrorist attacks, but criminals still killing people everyday lol so your argument is invalid.
2018-01-24 14:52
#247
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World Tiabbz 
America is bay far the dumbest nation with the dumbest people and the dumbest president. It's like "Idiocracy" in real life. If you don't know that movie, watch it.
2018-01-24 15:53
what makes any other country different? they also have a controlled president that just follows orders from higher rank.
2018-01-24 18:38
#285
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Indonesia lotnok 
americans are more entitled and louder. 'land of the free', the people 'freely' choose to be retards xd
2018-01-25 04:51
in holland politicians at least have to pretend to give a fuck about people or no one votes for them.
2018-01-25 13:45
pal, the ppl who vote dont decide who wins the ppl that count do that. this pretty much already the saame since 300 years
2018-01-25 14:00
that can be true, i heard from a friend that some ppl in his town voted for a small party that didnt get any seats and in the results it showed 0 votes for that party in his municipality still doesnt hurt to have some good PR. just like its easier for flusha to get away with cheating than some no namer kid.
2018-01-25 14:02
Most of these mass shootings are simply gang related incidents
2018-01-24 18:35
#273
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Brazil coldzao2 
how one can join a gang
2018-01-25 00:23
wouldnt you know?
2018-01-25 02:20
#290
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Brazil coldzao2 
no
2018-01-25 13:20
#268
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United States No5712 
obviously what happens is that it's a mental health issue, and since my country has more mentally ill people thats why guns happen obviously cant be anything else
2018-01-24 22:25
#272
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Finland Hallokola 
wtf usa
2018-01-25 00:20
I say its just stupid :/
2018-01-25 00:24
Personally, I'd have public executions with guns all the time in Football stadiums. Show the people that there are limits. The people wouldn't be doing these "mass shootings", it'd be the government to keep people in check. But just stay in your house all day and you'll be fine here in the States. GAHAHHAAHHAHAHA, fucking nerds and losers shooting people. Fucking losers. That's why I bullied their asses all the time in high school.
2018-01-25 00:34
karma is a bitch
2018-01-25 13:46
Good luck. I wonder if in 10 years you'll become the same loser they were. Might even hang yourself. Ignorance is surely the instigator of all problems in this world
2018-01-25 14:06
theatlantic.com/international/archive/20.. this article always makes me giggle when there is this US gun law discussion going on LUL
2018-01-25 04:28
usa police uses 85 bullets for 1 person lol
2018-01-25 04:59
theyre trained to empty a whole mag on someone if they have slightest suspicion of a gun. if they dont do that, theyre likely to get shot themselves.
2018-01-25 13:46
I have always wondered why they dont shoot to legs. Do they think they are some supermans who wont be affected by it?
2018-01-25 15:35
center mass is easier
2018-01-25 15:37
very good reason for trained cops LOL
2018-01-25 15:49
it increases their life expectancy. it costs money to train a police officer. would also reduce number of applications if you didnt get to kill anyone
2018-01-25 15:50
i would kill also if its allow to cops to kill unarmed mans when they crawl at you and you dont get any prison time
2018-01-25 15:53
well there you go
2018-01-25 15:53
US should really change this training shit. LOL "theyre trained to empty a whole mag on someone if they have slightest suspicion of a gun." It's really fair to empty a whole mag if they have "slightest suspicion". Fucking lazy US cops can only eat donuts and shoot without asking anything.
2018-01-25 16:01
if you live in a country where everyone can have a gun it makes sense imo. what else sohuld they do? let more cops get shot? they wont ban guns.
2018-01-25 16:10
They won't but they should.
2018-01-25 16:11
#440
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Indonesia lotnok 
so u wanna solve a problem by creating more problems? smart MURICA
2018-01-26 08:14
what matters is NA cs > swedish cs #thecryisfree
2018-01-25 13:29
the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.fi/2018/01/sw.. Yes, because nothing ever happens in sweden :() the first murder was committed with firearms, and then the witnesses were stabbed to death btw :()
2018-01-25 13:48
Guns don’t kill people, uh uh, I kill people, with guns.
2018-01-25 13:50
You're not an average everyday normal guy i suppose :()
2018-01-25 13:51
2018-01-25 13:53
I forgot about this lmao
2018-01-25 13:57
The only reason why muricans should want guns is to oppose the martial law of their own corrupt goverment. As it has happened many times. A big chunk of crime in america is gang on gang violence. I truly believe that it's not the guns fault, it's the people who are mentally ill or their life has been broken and they cant handle it and go on a rampage.
2018-01-25 14:03
Mass shooting and terrorist attacks happen everywhere
2018-01-25 15:12
#368
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
That's why there is the same amount of mass shootings in the UK as there is in the US. Oh wait...
2018-01-25 16:01
UK= 65 Million people USA= 321 million people
2018-01-25 16:03
#371
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
There is no where near even 1/100 the amount of shootings in the UK. and last time I checked 65 x 100 wasn't 321
2018-01-25 16:04
#435
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Indonesia lotnok 
china = 1.4 billion people no 'shootings'
2018-01-26 07:54
#442
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Exactly
2018-01-26 10:03
#433
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Indonesia lotnok 
china = 1.4 billion people no 'shootings'
2018-01-26 07:51
obviously, one of the countries with the biggest problems in general are the united states. only good thing about americans is their seccession from the british empire, which showed the world that one can be independent from the mighty european countries. worst thing is their interpretation of "freedom", as they do not accept any borders, and they think freedom means one can do whatever he/she wants, which is just wrong. freedom stops where your neighbours freedom begins. this is the great mistake they made/make.
2018-01-25 15:31
#432
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Indonesia lotnok 
in america, the 'freedom' to bully others play a huge part in their problems and the 'freedom' to end others lives ultimately.
2018-01-26 07:48
Removing the right to bear arms won't stop criminals from getting guns illegally and wouldn't that only make things worse since innocent people won't be able to defend themselves?
2018-01-25 15:40
That argument is right, but the reason why criminals have so much guns is US gun laws. I'm just saying it's too late to do anything or if US would start destroying guns it would take at least over 100 year
2018-01-25 15:57
#366
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Best start now then
2018-01-25 16:01
Banning pistols (and other small firearms) would be a great start. Because major part of people own a pistol. Pistol is hard to spot if someone is carrying, so it actually would probably end these missunderstood situations where police shoot innocent people because of suspicion of a gun. You can't hide hunting rifle in your pants or pockets!
2018-01-25 16:09
And btw Police officers and army could use pistols.
2018-01-25 16:11
#383
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
They also need to ban or restrict very large firearms (machine guns etc) as they are going beyond the need to defend yourself.
2018-01-25 16:13
#349
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Canada mandydingo 
Burgers will be retarded and keep holding on to "muh Freedoms" and take daily mass shootings as the norm. Shit like columbine and the sand hook mass shooting would have been easily avoidable if these autists didn't have such easy access to guns.
2018-01-25 15:42
#365
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
+1
2018-01-25 16:00
"Are you happy about this since you are defending your right to bear arms at any cost?" Someone who defends the right to own weapons does not mean that it's someone who's happy about mass shootings.
2018-01-25 15:49
#364
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
It basically does. There are very few guns here a surprise surprise there are almost no mass shootings.
2018-01-25 16:00
That's irrelevant to my comment. OP asked if the people defending the right to own weapons were happy about mass shootings, implying that the two are causally related, which they are not. You can defend the right to own weapons and not be happy about mass shootings. Just as you can defend the right to own knives and not be happy about murders committed with knives. Whether or not these positions are justified is another matter, that's not what I was objecting to.
2018-01-25 16:05
#373
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Fact is if there was very limited or no guns there wouldn't be any mass shooting (or very few)
2018-01-25 16:05
Again, that's irrelevant to my comment. I wasn't arguing that mass shootings were not related to the ability to own weapons. I'm arguing that people who defend the right to own weapons is not something related to their happiness (or lack thereof) regarding mass shootings.
2018-01-25 16:09
#379
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
But they cause there to still be guns.
2018-01-25 16:11
Which was not part of my point.
2018-01-25 16:17
#386
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
It may not have been part of your point. But it is part of the bigger picture
2018-01-25 16:18
It is, and it's irrelevant to my comment because my comment wasn't talking about the bigger picture. My comment was addressing a fallacy in OP's thread post.
2018-01-25 16:20
#391
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
Lets just stop this we are both just being silly :D
2018-01-25 16:21
I don't feel silly pointing out that your objections don't address something I talked about. But I'm fine stopping here. Have a good day.
2018-01-25 16:39
LOL everyone blame burgers when they are around 30th in the violent gun deaths worldwide per capita.
2018-01-25 15:52
Edit burgers aren't in top 10 countries at least.
2018-01-25 15:54
#362
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United Kingdom HarryBotter 
What makes me laugh is when Americans say about us having terrorist attacks when they have a massive shooting at least every week.
2018-01-25 15:59
#384
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Sweden flippig 
+1
2018-01-25 16:13
"You can help by expanding the list"
2018-01-25 16:11
Australia had mass shootings, then they made guns illegal. No mass shootings since
2018-01-25 16:20
#400
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Indonesia lotnok 
+1 americans can't see this through their thick neckbeards
2018-01-25 17:29
#421
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Brazil leguizamonn 
ye, ofc, here guns r illegal too and people die everyday by criminals with guns
2018-01-26 05:14
#429
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Indonesia lotnok 
guns are still the problems. in brazil illegality doesnt help cuz it's such a shithole that very other kid in favelas already has one.
2018-01-26 07:23
#448
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Brazil leguizamonn 
ye, ikr... People here are very uneducated and if they have the chance to take advantage on you, they will, we are thugs since the day we were born.
2018-01-26 10:41
referring to tasmania?
2018-01-26 05:15
#445
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Sweden Akoulad 
The only thing common between Australis and USA is that their language is English. Other than that, they are so much different in any way. Comparing would not be fair.
2018-01-26 10:15
#450
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Indonesia lotnok 
why not?
2018-01-26 10:54
USA safe place lol
2018-01-26 05:44
This is just mass shootings. Which is 4 or more people shot(not necessarily killed but rather hit). It doesn't even report 3 or under 3 people injured or killed.
2018-01-26 07:28
#431
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Netherlands Phyrhex 
Definitely lost some braincells after reading this thread
2018-01-26 07:44
#434
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Indonesia lotnok 
cuz u thought "people kill people, not guns" ? bye
2018-01-26 07:53
#437
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Netherlands Phyrhex 
What exactly makes you think i approve of legal guns n shit
2018-01-26 07:54
#438
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Indonesia lotnok 
nothing, im just mad
2018-01-26 08:00
obama admitted very honestly at some time in his mandate that americans are barbarians when it comes to this subject.
2018-01-26 08:24
#449
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Indonesia lotnok 
owning a gun = bigger dick in USA
2018-01-26 10:48
It's all black on black crime. Our gun laws protect our civil rights and freedom. If they government were to take them away from us 1776 would commence again.
2018-01-26 10:59
#455
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Indonesia lotnok 
ppl aren't asking to take ur guns away. they are just simply stating that guns are the problem in ur country.
2018-01-26 12:27
That's why I said if retard
2018-01-26 12:56
#460
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Indonesia lotnok 
raported to janathan E
2018-01-26 15:02
Multiculturalism.
2018-01-26 18:58
they have so many guns that there is no point in making them illegal
2018-01-26 20:32
problem is mental health. Hard to really say that gun restriction in the US is gonna do what you want. Take this Kentucky shooting and the church shooting. The Kentucky shooting was a 15 yo kid with a handgun. Federal Law prohibits the sale of handguns to anyone under the age of 18. So good job federal law, you really prevented that one. The Church shooting was a mentally unstable person who should have been in the system, but due to govt being govt it wasnt reported to the right people and he bought a rifle when he shouldnt have been able to. Guns are not the problem. Doesnt really matter what anyone says, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
2018-01-26 20:37
Our country is full of braindead burger brains
2018-01-27 01:23
#495
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Turkey Taylannnnn 
when mentally ill can get guns easier than healthcare you know that the current system is flawed
2018-01-27 01:38
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