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Armenian genocide
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
Why are Nazi Germany and USSR blamed for their past crimes (and rightfully so) but Turkey is not for what they did to Armenians? discuss (keep it clean tho)
2018-01-24 19:10
Cuz it smells of poop* when turks open their mouths whilst talking about anything political edit for "keep it clean"
2018-01-24 19:15
family show
2018-01-24 19:14
#288
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Turkey de_insertion 
HAH lets keep it clean its a family show
2018-02-27 06:21
An African says this LUL
2018-01-24 19:18
#10
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
Apartheid killed less people than Armenian genocide
2018-01-24 19:20
The ottoman empire committed it as a last attempt to keep some form of power, then they fell apart. Papa turk(his nickname) saved the people by making turkey which makes up part of it, but he turned in into a country. There is no correlation between turkey government and ottoman empire besides some of the people living there. You would even know this if you read anything about ottoman empire.
2018-01-24 19:35
#43
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
Turkey is a succesor of an Ottoman empire. It´s like USSR and Russia, the core part is there and same people are there
2018-01-24 19:40
the problem is not change of government. Turkey denies armenian genocide altogether. They say it never happened which is the root of the problem also the reason they're denied from EU access for years.
2018-01-24 19:46
#99
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Turkey tastemycobra 
we dont deny deaths caused by relocation ottoman empire imposed. we disagree with the usage of "genocide" term to the issue. it is totally misleading, just revengist; nothing to actually make up for the losses of the war.
2018-01-24 20:07
#106
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
Hitler first wanted to relocate Jews as well, then he realised killing them would be cheaper i wonder where he got that idea from :thinking:
2018-01-24 20:14
#110
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Turkey tastemycobra 
But ottomans did relocate them. However, they failed to provide sufficient safety along the way, so they got hit by hunger or bandits. You see dying like this does not make the situation any better. It is still a terrible tragedy and Ottoman Empire has responsibility in it. But calling it genocide is not historically accurate and just as i said revanchist.
2018-01-24 20:18
so they death marched thousands of people instead of shooting them in the head. wow ottoman so kind /s
2018-01-24 20:23
#124
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germa.. What you are saying is similar to this But when we deported Germans, less than 10% died. It was a horrible thing for sure, but in your case, Over a million Armenians died, so i don´t think deportation was really the intention
2018-01-24 20:27
#137
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Turkey tastemycobra 
As i said, Ottoman Empire almost provided them nothing. Maybe it is because Ottomans were in war in every front and conditions were insufficient but still should provide food, camps, safety or just make a deal with the enemy for armenians sake, i dont know, this part why Ottoman Empire ignored them in such a way still a discussion.
2018-01-24 20:34
#139
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
they indirectly killed them then they had to know what would happen don´t you think?
2018-01-24 20:39
#143
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Turkey tastemycobra 
if you ask my opinion they just preferred not to think about what will happen to them. Told them to "go away", that is all... They were very busy with other troubles of war and chose to shut one eye to that matter.
2018-01-24 20:43
#175
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
that could be seen as a genocide from a certain point of view (i am not saying it is and also this thread was aiming at people that are saying it is not fault of Turkey/Ottomans) thank you for your opinion tho it´s nice to see someone with open mind
2018-01-24 21:16
#250
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Turkey tastemycobra 
"genocide" is clearly defined by international law.
2018-01-25 10:38
#265
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
if you believe it was intentional then it´s a genocide if you don´t, then it´s not
2018-01-25 18:33
#178
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
bro they forced them into the desert what do you expect happens if you force someone into the desert with no supplys
2018-01-24 21:22
#180
fer | 
Brazil pedrok 
G E N O C I D E
2018-01-24 21:24
#211
NEO | 
Poland scrmgr 
Dude u ve killed 1.5m ppl and its the second best documented genocide in history just after holocaust. It has noting to do with allocation as they died cuz of hunger, thirst, and diseases or were simply murdered by soldiers. These were death marches not allocation. Turks nailed horseshoes to to armenian priests feet, drowned Armenians, pushed them off the cliffs, burned or buried in the ground. What are you talking about? Just read some international books.
2018-01-24 22:18
#251
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Turkey tastemycobra 
I didn't kill anyone. Telling it like a gorey Tarantino movie doesnt prove anything. Turkey has archival documents, academic research that are all being attacked and surpassed by the Armenia and Armenian Diaspora. The tragedy is Armanian narrative that is brushed with propaganda is getting more recognition because of a really effective Armenian lobbyism. Turkey always states that Turkish archives are open to anyone and ready to discuss the truth with international historians. However, this was never answered. Because, Armenians are after political gains, not truth. The acceptance of Armenian narrative internationally is their national objective, there isn't really anyone seeking the truth.
2018-01-25 10:47
#266
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
How objective you think it really is from a point of a someone who is involved in the conflict. Personally i wouldn´t trust Turkish and Armenian documents since they could be easily manipulated. I would trust foreign reports.
2018-01-25 18:38
#269
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Turkey tastemycobra 
Well, then Turkey’s demand to form a joint panel to discuss the issue with international historians must be answered. Lobbying in foreign parliaments only politicizes the issue.
2018-01-25 20:35
How you could forget to mention Holodomor? youtube.com/watch?v=M_dnRA5NFhs
2018-01-25 11:14
#263
NEO | 
Poland scrmgr 
Yes, it was also a genocide. So were Bandera (nazi agent from 1940 btw) actions en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles.. I do not think that UKR is allowed to discuss about genocide.
2018-01-25 15:08
Problem is there’s a reverse apartheid now and borderline genocide soon of whites in ZA that everyone’s casually ignoring
2018-01-24 21:13
Point proven asian
2018-01-24 19:21
With this attitude, it seems like you are the problem in any kind of conversation /reported
2018-01-24 19:25
#23
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Brazil $anji 
Why report? It's his opinion.
2018-01-24 19:30
it's offensive and racist. these are not the "opinions" hltv allows if i understand corect from my recent bans
2018-01-24 19:32
didn't realise turks are a race.
2018-01-24 19:56
uhhhhhhhh, really? you are right ,racism is a myth
2018-01-24 19:59
ill just assume your poor english meant you didn't understand what i meant... or what you really meant.
2018-01-24 20:00
i understand "turks are not a race so this can not be racism" isn't it what you tried said?
2018-01-24 20:03
#96
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
it is more chauvinistic or xenophobic than racist
2018-01-24 20:06
exactly right... dunno where you got the rest from, just classic turkish argument tactics. report him for xenophobia, don't misuse words for shock value.
2018-01-24 20:07
dude... i've banned on this site for sending a danish guy a "pkk terrorists in sweden video" to because he just praised them to make me "mad" :dddddddd. jonathan said i was being offensive to danish guy :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD you could be right about the misuse of words of course
2018-01-24 20:09
HLTV is biased, dont you still realize it? Or maybe they just dont have skilled moderators in a sufficient amount. Recently some promoscovian or just crazy lefty created thread called 'faschists in Ukraine" where he literaly kindled international enmity and guess what - that thread was not deleted. Anyway it is their problems, their responsiblility and yet for me this site is becoming more and more like shelter for lefty, pro kremlin propaganda. When its needed those hypocrytes and cynics always can be covered by appeals to freedom of speech. Shameful.
2018-01-25 11:42
#291
SPUNJ | 
Czech Republic Pee_Tea 
he's right tho :/
2018-02-27 10:19
#117
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Brazil Belgrade 
Haha. xD
2018-01-24 20:22
my comment is are make big discussions((
2018-01-24 20:30
south africa kk
2018-01-24 21:38
anoh cheeky breeky iv damke chernobyl debil gyazo.com/61081e9cbc03268a77d2576225f2d4..
2018-01-24 21:41
do you have aids?
2018-01-24 21:53
#204
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
rekt
2018-01-24 22:00
wtf dude
2018-01-24 22:12
#260
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Brazil Belgrade 
kkkkkkkkkkkk
2018-01-25 14:33
more likely Armenian suicide
2018-01-24 19:16
+9999999999999999999999999999999
2018-01-24 19:26
Retard
2018-01-24 22:39
ty nepal /reported
2018-01-24 22:39
yea, million of Armenians wanted to die, its not like Turks made them to go through desert without supplies or something like that
2018-01-25 00:15
Lol serb talks about a genocide, but his nation did the latest genocide in man kind ;)
2018-01-25 01:31
I knew that there will be some answer like that :D so, if we made genocide, how the fuck this is not genocide with 100 times more casualties ?
2018-01-26 07:26
BC yours was in the 90, extremely recent lol. Think
2018-01-26 11:09
#272
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Turkey ao1 
+3795827942359743245923697565957325697
2018-01-25 21:02
#4
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Turkey yarrakbeyfendi 
they are not blamed?
2018-01-24 19:16
#8
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
only few states recognized it and Turkey is still denying it, they say it was a conflict, not a genocide
2018-01-24 19:19
maybe because it's the truth?
2018-01-24 19:26
#22
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
i can´t even blame you when you hear those lies since your childhood more then million deaths on one side is not a conflict
2018-01-24 19:28
i didn't hear anything?maybe let's convince me? it's ez i swear
2018-01-24 19:30
#30
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
all non-biased historians confirmed it also it´s kinda wierd when Armenia population drops by 1mil while turkey population stays the same
2018-01-24 19:32
source?
2018-01-24 19:37
#50
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
history.com/topics/armenian-genocide i could post more but this one sums it up well
2018-01-24 19:43
LMFAO please give me the source about the armenian population. "drops 1 million" :DDDDDDDDDDDD. in ottoman archives, they were 1.3 million armenian but we -somehow- killed 1.5(some even say 3 million lmao) million armenian all non-biased? i can count plenty historians who said it didn't happen(plenty of foreigners). let's be honest, you don't know anything about this so called "genocide" but still accepting it. shame on you tbh, czech streets
2018-01-24 19:39
#49
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
"in ottoman archives" of course they don´t fucking tell the truth when they are planning a genocide
2018-01-24 19:42
ottoman archives were the most accurate at those years in those area. armenians revolted agains us later than these records. seriously what do you even want to believe?you couldn't even give me a source about the population? :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD "dropped 1 million" homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/Armenia/.. i doubt you will but, read it pls
2018-01-24 19:47
#57
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
i promise i will give it a shot can you give me an article or something that´s not from Turkey about it? it would make it non-biased ty (if you live in Turkey it will be difficult to find something tho, be careful or Erdogan will slam your door)
2018-01-24 19:50
Ok i am waiting. that guy is a brit or american btw . erdogan is a disgrace and he doesn't give a fuck about this fake "genocide". doing nothing
2018-01-24 19:51
#67
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
fakeflagging is not my style it is punishable to speak openly about "the truth" about genocide in Turkey
2018-01-24 19:55
well,IT'S NOT. there are people who say it happened here as well. "civilized" countries like france or germany made saying "it didn't happen" crime on the other hand. we want to tell and discuss this bs. our nationalist party offered this to debate with armenians but they refused, fyi
2018-01-24 19:58
#79
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Namibia banned_so 
enjoy blind erdogan propaganda, u r a puppet, doll without own POV
2018-01-24 20:00
learn to read maybe? and give actual arguments with sources? i don't understand why do you even bother to reply
2018-01-24 20:04
#90
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
tbh i also wouldn´t debate with some German guy saying they didn´t kill Czech rebels during WWII or with a Russian that communists didn´t kill pepole during early 50s Also most "civilised countries" - as you mentioned GER, FR acknowledged it, only reason why other "big" states won´t is bc they have Turkey as their diplomatic partner
2018-01-24 20:04
So you think in germany for example(since i remember it more clearly) everyone but 1 person(the woman who said "we can decide that here. it's the job of historians") knew everything about this "genocide"? i don't think so they recognized it, cuz it's a political answer to erdogan government.not based on any knowledge
2018-01-24 20:07
#105
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
when you look at USA, like 90% states recognized it (not by one person, usually it has to be more than a half of votes in whatever legislative body they have - same for Germany, France etc.) also some of them were made before Erdogan But nationally they won´t do it bc they want to keep Turkey as their partner
2018-01-24 20:12
#189
fer | 
Brazil pedrok 
This Kumay guy just made me realize how much people in turkey are brainwashed. omfg. It's kinda scary tbh
2018-01-24 21:36
#191
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
if they teach you this since your birth it is hard to deny it, especially for naive people it´s a problem of the system and that´s what pisses me off
2018-01-24 21:38
#185
fer | 
Brazil pedrok 
It will be accurate where it needs to be if you know what i mean
2018-01-24 21:33
#220
NEO | 
Poland scrmgr 
There were 2.1m Armenians in 1912 and 150k in 1922. Get some international books.
2018-01-24 22:40
which book to be exact ?
2018-01-25 01:23
#259
NEO | 
Poland scrmgr 
For example B. Lewis The Emergence of Modern Turkey or David Lang Armenia: cradle of civilization. There r many out there.
2018-01-25 13:47
I guess you could start by checking out the many primary sources of the event and some memoirs of different individuals. For starters, the NY Times covered the event extensively during that time period. Here are a few articles from 1915 (you can find many others in their archives): query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?r.. query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?r.. query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?r.. query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?r.. Here's a list of even more archived press coverage from 1915 to 1920: armenian-genocide.org/press.html Interesting primary sources that include documents from several countries: eudocs.lib.byu.edu/index.php/History_of_.. It even includes documents from high-ranking officials, like the Minister of the Interior stating: "You have already been advised that the Government, by order of the Djemiet, has decided to destroy completely all the indicated persons [Armenians] living in Turkey. All who oppose this decision and command cannot remain on the official staff of the empire. Their existence must come to an end, however tragic the means may be; and no regard must be paid to either age or sex, or to conscientious scruples." Additionally, here's a list of prominent scholars that have concluded that it indeed was a genocide: genocidescholars.org/sites/default/files.. In conclusion, even the most conservative figures reported slaughters of over 500 000 Armenians.
2018-01-24 20:15
#108
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
+100 you did your homework son
2018-01-24 20:16
1.NY Times? ok. i've read those. and it says nothing about the reason except "abdul hamit saying armenian problem can be solved by geting rid of armenians" (lel) really? we were in a world war how did we even "slain 800 k people with cold blood"? it doesn't say anthing about that. only words like "horrible" "such a massacre" " x people killed" etc. 2.literally the same links + 2 new newspaper from usa. written by the same understanding 3.There is lot of things i should check. I will reply when i read. What a horrible site btw "It even includes documents from high-ranking officials, like the Minis..." even if it's true it's the work of istanbul government which were belong to ottomans. not to republic of Turkey 4.I can write historians who doesn't share the same opinion if you want. This doesn't show anything. I'm more interested in how do they explain this "massacre" I want to share some too, homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/Armenia/.. this guy explains why it didn't happen (with the cause ond effect relationship) also claims armenians were the one who comitted the genocide factcheckarmenia.com/home/en another site which tells the story from our side(you are free to believe what you want but at least believe what makes more sense. you are believing that we just slaughtered lot of people that we lived together for hundreds of years when we were in a middle of a world war now) and for the last but not least turkishpac.org/pdfs/KachaznuniEnglish.pd.. reports of the FIRST PRIME MINISTER OF ARMENIA. This guy's books are banned in some coutries including armenia. i wonder why :D he explains how did they deceived by the dream of "independent armenia" and lost
2018-01-24 20:59
because it was a conflict lol
2018-01-24 19:40
Why even hide your flag at this point
2018-01-24 19:57
I am not hiding my flag. I am from the world
2018-01-25 11:16
system of a down
2018-01-24 19:16
#14
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
+1 Great band
2018-01-24 19:22
#62
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Kyrgyzstan Sm1L3Y_yl 
Kim Kardashian
2018-01-24 19:51
and that person has nothing to do with this
2018-01-24 20:43
#154
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
she is Armenian as well i think
2018-01-24 20:55
#198
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Kyrgyzstan Sm1L3Y_yl 
Ofc she is Armenian lol Armenian ass n1 in da world
2018-01-24 21:51
oh i wouldnt know idc about celebrities
2018-01-24 22:23
Holy Mountains
2018-01-24 20:28
pluck as well i think
2018-01-24 20:42
best band for me
2018-01-26 03:25
+1
2018-01-26 03:52
Heheheuehe
2018-01-24 19:20
#9
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Canada Ayton 
cuz nobody cares about poor armenians
2018-01-24 19:19
#12
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
why do they care about Jews and Gypsies then?
2018-01-24 19:21
#16
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Canada Ayton 
better propaganda wins bro also afaik, armenia and "ottoman empire" were in war unlike jews and nazi germany. So genocide doesnt sound realistic if they are actually in a legit war. Its almost like calling every singe war in history a genocide to the loser side LOL
2018-01-24 19:24
#25
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
war is when two sides participate in a battle tho
2018-01-24 19:30
^finally a person who actually can use his brain but no man, you should say we turks just killed lot of people that we lived together for hundreds of years, when were in a middle of a WORLD WAR. just for fun
2018-01-24 19:43
If you count the amount of comments denying the genocide itt you have almost 30% of total. Unless we remove yours, then there's like 3%. Do you have something to hide spamming like that?
2018-01-24 19:59
i don't pay attention to something like that.not intentional. you can clearly see my nickname as well i just want to correct these information polution. guy says something ridiculuous but can't give a source. it's my weakness in this site. can't help but replying
2018-01-24 20:02
I see what you mean, GL arguing, next step is convincing EU council
2018-01-24 20:05
why do you think lul
2018-01-24 19:51
Armenians not innocent
2018-01-24 19:22
#15
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
ok what´s your side of the sotry?
2018-01-24 19:22
they were constantly rebelling against the ottoman and this en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_Massacre
2018-01-24 19:32
#34
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
1992 is way after. it´s also disgusting but it is recognized and you can´t really compare 161 deaths with 1.5mil
2018-01-24 19:35
:d
2018-01-24 19:41
A chief commander of the Armenians has killed his own compatriots to ask the rich and powerful countries then like England to give them a land to be safe again
2018-01-24 19:33
#32
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
1guy killed 1.5mil ppl? what a fucking superhero
2018-01-24 19:34
Did i say 1,5 million thats a lie from the media so turks are getting disrespected
2018-01-24 19:35
#38
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
population statistics says otherwise and be honest with me, are you real Austrian or an immigrant?
2018-01-24 19:37
Armenians never have a large population. Im just a guy who dont believe every fucking word that the media says. unlike you
2018-01-24 19:39
#52
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
tinfoil hat S T A Y W O K E
2018-01-24 19:45
nice arguments. they never had the majority. that's why they armed against us when we were in a WORLD WAR they thought it will be "ez lands" but didn't happen...
2018-01-24 19:50
Take a guess.
2018-02-27 11:30
Turks are afraid cuz they must give lands back if confirm genocide.Or their reputation will go down.
2018-01-24 19:25
i am confused. we are giving it to kurds or armenians? since they are pretty much the same lands :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD also "give BACK(?)"... nt
2018-01-24 19:53
I don't care,Turks stole lands even from Georgia,Tao-klarjeti was Georgian since 4-5th century but after Turks took it without any reason (I mean Georgia wasn't even aggressive),whats wrong in giving back ? cmon dude Turkey wasn't even country,so free Constantinople.I am not versus Turks or something I don't even care about past much just saying truth and you talk like its Turkish lands just cuz they took them.
2018-01-24 20:35
nice logic LOL idc .my lands now TriHard
2018-01-24 20:51
I didn't say that this lands aren't Turkish atm.And you aren't Turkey,you have there only your house,I can't understand why you protect your country so hard,if you talk versus Georgia with arguments,I won't doubt with it.Like this you are just patriot idiot showing that you don't know history and how this world works,if country takes another with genocide without war,surely reputation will go down and a lot of countries will want to give lands back,I don't talk only about Turkey,I talk generally what happens after stealing lands.
2018-01-24 21:00
nice london but i already know that we killed people (also died) to establish in these lands
2018-01-24 21:01
Ok I don't really see mistakes in my English,its not perfect but surely understandable.Dude you don't know shit about Armenian genocide,Turkish people just rushed Armenian lands and killed citizens.Its reason why we call it "genocide"
2018-01-24 21:04
CoolStoryBob
2018-01-24 21:05
He s so dumb dont mind him
2018-01-25 00:31
Yeah actually,I tried to talk with him but I think he baits or just being dumb.
2018-01-25 12:31
#19
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Germany Nuvock 
Lmao, armenia also has committed genocide. They're not innocent aswell. Btw, who cares?
2018-01-24 19:26
#44
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Brazil $anji 
By your logic we shouldn't care about the Holocaust aswell cause the jews aren't innocent and commit genocide against palestinians.
2018-01-24 19:40
#53
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
+1
2018-01-24 19:45
#159
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Germany Nuvock 
No, by my logic you should judge quickly and care only about the victim, when the victim is not innocent aswell. Btw, USA is the biggest sinner in the world.
2018-01-24 21:00
#176
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
so every Armenian did participate in what you call "genocide"? also how many people died in their "genocide"?
2018-01-24 21:19
#249
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Germany Nuvock 
I didn't say that. Just like every german cannot be blamed for the holocaust. Also, why does it matter how many people died in their genocide? You think the number of deaths are more important than the actual crime?
2018-01-25 01:44
#264
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
if someone kills 200 people it is different than organising a killing of a million of course it does matter
2018-01-25 18:29
#270
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Germany Nuvock 
lmao, killing is killing. It doesn't matter if you kill 1 or 100. The judgement is the same.
2018-01-25 20:38
#271
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
that´s your opinion
2018-01-25 20:55
#274
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Germany Nuvock 
And this is the way you think: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism
2018-01-26 03:22
lefty detected
2018-01-25 18:54
because millions of the just wanted to die. turks did nothing....
2018-01-24 19:31
87324534253245 million to be exact. trust me
2018-01-24 19:49
#33
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Lithuania lighthair 
Dont care
2018-01-24 19:35
Who gives a flying fuck
2018-01-24 19:41
#60
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Brazil Waldemar H. 
I love how people come up with this bullshit fact that it was war time and something like this happens. I want to remind you (deniers) something that Slobodan Praljac was sentenced for 20 Years after the genocide to bosnian muslims. This excuse that it was war time is not valid. Also the sryians and lebanse confirm that. (Arab countries) Edit: and the European countries also confirmed that it happened (Armenien Resolution in german, btw. germany made this genocide even happen)
2018-01-24 19:56
#69
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
+1
2018-01-24 19:55
#107
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Turkey tastemycobra 
what you don't understand is there were no anti-armenian campaign that took place for decades, while jews were victims of such a campaign to build up hatred against them and similarly so for bosnian muslims. ottoman empire had to do something very quick about armenians, because some of their leaders were lured by Russians with promises of authority or territory and they were being armed against the empire. These all were not the case for jews or bosnians.
2018-01-24 20:14
#122
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Brazil Waldemar H. 
I know what you're trying to tell me and this is true. But there is no reason to lure innocent civilians into to syrian desert
2018-01-24 20:24
#126
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Turkey tastemycobra 
I am not saying Ottoman took good care of Armenians. A terrible tragedy happened, Ottoman Empire has big part in it. however, calling it a genocide is not the truth, not the accurate term for what happened.
2018-01-24 20:28
#64
rain | 
United States Yeeeeeh 
Just kill all mooslems and that fix all world problems
2018-01-24 19:52
cuz turkey didnt win the war so they cant write the history.
2018-01-24 19:53
Turkey offers to set up a council that has equal numbers of historians both from Armenia and Turkey. A council to investigate what happened in 1915. But Armenia will never wanted it and will never do. Because the real genocide has been done by Armenians and this subject is political trump that has been using by western countries and Russia against Turkey.
2018-01-24 19:58
#131
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
the real genocide has been done by Armenians explain pls
2018-01-24 20:30
I have explanied in the other comment. Russia and Turkey were in conflict in 1915. Russia promised Armenia east of Turkey if they fight against Turkey. Then suddenly, Armenians started to slaughter their neighbours who are not Armenian. If they had been successful, they were gonna claim east of Turkey. Until 1915, Armenians lived happily in Ottoman Empire as Jews.
2018-01-24 20:42
Reminds me of what Ukrainians have done to Poles. Germans promised them that part of Poland will go to Ukraine so Ukrainian neighbours started to kill Polish.
2018-01-24 23:06
Because it is a provocation. Its like germany denying holocaust and offering jewish historians to discuss it.
2018-02-27 11:32
even you deny genocide and call it holocaust. lol.
2018-02-27 11:33
Most holocaust deniers are currently rotting in jail. Holocaust is the name for the genocide of the jews. It is not denied by the government or the state, we have tried to reappraise it. Holocaust survivors can get citizenship, raparations are paid and its not denied by the public.
2018-02-27 11:45
For Turkey, a genocide is a conflict. For exemple, jews extermination was just a conflict.
2018-01-24 19:59
yeh its so obvious man. the Armenians wanted to live and the turks didn't want them to live... thats a conflict (kinda). jews, gays and gypsies wanted to live and the nazis didn't want them to live... thats also a conflict. as a jew i approve this message.
2018-01-24 20:03
of course they wanted to live. but they wanted to live in a new "independent armenia" which will be established in turkey. they tried to take advantage of the turks being at war, they failed but you are free to believe that we just killed them for fun of course... nice flag btw
2018-01-24 21:35
It is clearer the way you said. As non jew I approve this message.
2018-01-24 21:43
washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986.. More than that Turkey welcomed jews in ww2 by providing them Turkish passport. You know nothing or biased or you are hypocritical
2018-01-24 20:08
#111
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
you missed the point completely he didn´t say Turks killed Jews he said that what Nazis have done to jews can be compared to what Tukrs have done to Armenians
2018-01-24 20:20
Oh, sorry. It cant be compared btw.
2018-01-24 20:21
#121
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
ofc it something differnet but the core problem is similar
2018-01-24 20:24
Armenians suddenly started burn the villages and kill their neighbours in city of Van, Turkey when Russia promised them the east of Turkey. Every house except which are belongs to Armenians, are burned by Armenians. They destroyed everything and eventually they are exiled from Ottoman Empire. But in WW2, jews were much more innocent than that. They are offered to move Palestine and build promised Zionist land. But they were all rich and happy in Europe so they did not accept. WW2 was needed to exile them to Palestine. USA funded Hitler with weapons, Henry Ford build cars for Hitler. and when the time has come Hitler was defeated and all technology and weapons has been transferred to USA. USA had the most benefit after the war by killing millions of people, as always. As they do everytime.
2018-01-24 20:33
#146
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
just a few points the burning village point is controversial, just like the genocide. some say it was a self defence. even if not, it is an act of few Armenians the genocide was driven by "government" USA didn´t fund them with weapons they did help them during crisis Henry Ford help Hitler bc he was an antisemite
2018-01-24 20:47
There is no reason for Ottoman Empire to genocide Armenians. The reason of exile was their uprising. For hundreds of years Armenians lived in east-Turkey without problem with Turks. It is obvious that they tried to claim land from Turks. They still claim east of Turkey are theirs. Henry Ford helping without knowing of USA? Ofc not.
2018-01-24 20:59
#177
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
there is always a reason to do something (welath, cleansing...) Uprising of how many? hundreds? that why million had to die? USA gov maybe knew but couldn´t do shit because it was before war
2018-01-24 21:22
#78
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Czech Republic yeezusboy 
+1
2018-01-24 20:00
#81
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Namibia banned_so 
so for turks there were no holocaust? just a "conflict" between germany and jews? wp erdogan propaganda
2018-01-24 20:01
there were no holocaust. it was genocide. no holocaust
2018-01-24 20:09
Not happened show the proof.
2018-01-24 20:02
#115
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
Hitler never died The Holocaust's a lie Six million Jews? Show me the proof You sound like this guy
2018-01-24 20:21
#89
emagine | 
Turkey hwop 
Because of the fact that there is not genocide for them. They immigrated cause of ww1 for somw reason
2018-01-24 20:06
#144
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Finland Jodecast 
yeah your logic is worse than Erdogans propaganda
2018-01-24 20:44
#94
emagine | 
Turkey hwop 
And they already cancel our offer
2018-01-24 20:05
US kills millions to end WW2 > Not genocide Ottoman empire kills "millions" to end conflict > Genocide Where's the problem? Can you call a strategical decision a genocide? Make up your mind you can't choose both.
2018-01-24 20:18
#152
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
#25 "conflict"
2018-01-24 20:52
you said you will give it a shot but you didn't read what i linked :/ he mentions how the armenians store their guns and prepared their revolt
2018-01-24 20:59
#163
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
i asked you if you could give me a source which is not originally turkish but you couldn´t do that :/
2018-01-24 21:03
it's not Turkish? even the guy is brit or american as i said. wtf?
2018-01-24 21:04
#179
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
he spend lot of time in Turkey and the session is from Turkey even if, you have one foreigh historian who claims it was flase. against like thousands
2018-01-24 21:23
gilles veinstein(french) guenter lewy(american) stanford shaw(american) justin mccarthy(american) eberhard jackel(german) levon panos dabagyan(armenian) bernard lewis(american) i think i can go on. you think these kind of people don't exist cuz you didn't even hear this unpopular opinion :DDDDD. i am still waiting for your population source tho :)
2018-01-24 21:31
#190
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
International Association of Genocide Scholars United Nations European Parliament Permanent Peoples' Tribunal Catholic Church no individuals but whole orgs against senile demented scholars
2018-01-24 21:36
there is a reason why i said "unpopular" . it's so easy to believe something bad if we are the case, as you should admit you can figure this out just by looking to yourself 0 knowledge > %100 acccepts without any question ))))
2018-01-24 21:38
#195
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
this can apply to you as well do you realise you were risen in this opinion so it´s hard for you to believe "unpopular" opinions. in Turkey "unpopular" opinions are what in Europe are "popular" opinions the problem is Turkey will of course deny it if they can bc if they would say it´s true they would have to apologise, pay reparations etc. other countries do not gain anything from it so why would they make up a "genocide"?
2018-01-24 21:42
not really. "armenian genocide" is like 50-50(60-40 or 70-30) here. people actually don't care. some say "even it happened it's ottoman gov's crime why should we bother with it?" and it's understandable Turkey denies it with offering debate , the ones who accepts this "genocide" does not require any conditions on the other hand :/
2018-01-24 21:48
#199
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
How would the debate look like? "You did it" "No we didn´t" "yes you did" Problem here is Turkey has to acknowledge the intention (even if it´s Ottoman´s and basicly no one who is alive now should feel guilty about it) and they can´t do that Their statement now is that it was a war
2018-01-24 21:52
We can't know that. And yes it was a war.They had guns too, which they stored to prepare for a great oppurtunity such as a World War
2018-01-24 21:56
#203
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
why would they attack turkey who had superior power (by a lot)? even if that´s the case, how do you justify the killing of the civilians then?
2018-01-24 21:59
If only you could read that damn link... Ottoman empire was fighting with its enemies all over the anatolia(since our allies were not close to us) and armenians thought they can capitalize of that in order to establish an independent armenia.(supported and deceived by russia as well) those "dashanks" are the ones who killed civilians
2018-01-24 22:04
#206
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
"those "dashanks" are the ones who killed civilians" over 500k civilians killed by a fucking group?
2018-01-24 22:09
you are not just clueless. you don't even try to understand what i am saying. holy shit... i think i am being trolled. there can't be another explanation. pls don't reply again. thx
2018-01-24 22:13
#216
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
why a troll dude you can´t based of your arguments deny killing of civilians by Ottomans directly or indirectly FACT enjoy your life in a fascist country cya
2018-01-24 22:33
From many sources here's what needs to be added: A bunch of European countries (including Russia, France and GB) used Armenians (by promising they would get their own land + arming them ofc) to help destabilize the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century, which they did (destabilize the Ottoman Empire not give them their own land), armed Armenians apparently attacked more or less directly the Ottoman Empire and its citizens multiple times. They apparently also fought alongside Russians during WW1 which is approximately when things got ugly. These same countries then blamed the Ottoman Empire for what happened when, according to the previously stated facts (I say facts because I can't find another word not because it's factual), it was what they intended in the first place. This part of the story is mostly if not entirely left out from articles that recognize the Armenian genocide, the very few that talk about a conflict say it was just propaganda. What they usually say is that the Ottoman Empire was brutally massacring + mistreating Armenians out of pure hatred and Armenians were just responding to it when in fact, it seems to be the opposite or at the very least a mix between the two. Apparently the fact that Armenians were rebelling against the Ottoman Empire and posing a threat was propaganda too, ignoring the reports of many attacks. So even if both sides are biased for some parts there are very good reasons for Turks to deny the Armenian genocide, both Turks and Armenians were manipulated by Europeans who also humiliated them (for being allies of Germans in WW1). armeniangenocidedebate.com/russian-accou.. This is one of the most seemingly factual, informed and neutral source I found so far as it quotes Russian archives.
2018-01-24 22:16
#215
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
+1 thank you for your post finally someone with open mind
2018-01-24 22:31
So there was a conflict wasn't it? At least the Armenians that joined the GB and Russian army probably agreed. I think some people don't realize the Ottoman Empire didn't really have a problem with different cultures like some claim, they had so many different cultures among the Empire they would have collapsed instantly if they hated the cultures of the countries they conquered. BTW the Ottoman Empire lost a lot of its power when Europe found new routes to Asia that didn't involve the Ottoman Empire and it doesn't have much to do with inner conflict up until the 19th century. What they had a problem with was a growing violent pro independence movement assisted by opposing forces. There were wars going on and I think they knew that eventually if they lost WW1 they would have been yet again penalized so they had to make a choice to avoid losing a big chunk of their remaining land and power but I must say that's 90% my assumption. So yeah to me it was both a political and a strategical decision pushed by the growing tension between Armenians and Turks that already involved an assassination attempt on the Sultan as well as massacres from both sides (more violent from Turks towards Armenians but they obviously had more power so I think in this case the act matters not the numbers) and probably more. Up until this evening I was always told by the media or history teachers Armenians were peaceful little angels that were brutally murdered because they were Christians. This kind of Western Propaganda really annoys me as I grow and start to try and find sources by myself and listening to people who have received a different education. So anyways this thread wont change history but I'm glad I'll have something to say next time someone brings up the Armenian Genocide.
2018-01-24 22:52
#238
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
yes, i agree that it was a conflict, but i don´t think it was a war war for me is when government agree to attack someone and their government defend. there was a support from Armenians against Ottomans but technically you can´t really call it a war between Ottomans and Armenians, since it was a war between Russians and Ottomans with Armenians playing just a role i think that conflict doesn´t justify civilian killing on both sides, but the Ottoman one was more-less guided by the government and had a huge impact My point always was to confront those who support Turkey and other countries for not stating that anything happened and even though there were attacks on both sides, the number of dead Armenians simply cannot be ignored I also appreciate your research i think finding nonbiased media is hard today as the media have a purpose to influence people in a way that they like
2018-01-24 23:45
I think it's Erdogan who called it an internecine war which is just political bullshit imo (as expected from him) I think to some extent it could almost be called a civil war but unless the documents were destroyed there was not one true opponent there were a bunch of anti government Armenian groups so it can't be called a war. I think the government has a purpose to influence people, because that's how a government works, if the media is against the general thought it's not gonna do well anyway also it's honestly hard to be unbiased, I think I managed to stay somewhat unbiased because I wondered why would people deny such an awful thing. So I looked into it to seek people's opinion and which one seemed to have the most valuable sources. I didn't care about the result. But when you write an article you have the result in mind (this is very dangerous when it comes to science facts but I'm getting off track) and you just try to find source that will fit your result (which is the reason why statistics in debates are usually worthless and far from "facts")
2018-01-25 00:07
#224
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
where did the us kill millions lol
2018-01-24 22:56
lmao hundreds of thousands soz I got carried away
2018-01-24 22:57
#227
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
everyone did,it was called strategic bombing,it cost way more lives than the two nuclear bombs they dropped onto japan. It also reduced the length of the conflict and the casualties by atleast 5-6x what they would have been otherwise
2018-01-24 22:58
I was talking about Japan, were you talking about bombing of Cities in France + Germany?
2018-01-24 23:00
#230
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
"it cost way more lives than the two nuclear bombs they dropped onto japan." "It also reduced the length of the conflict and the casualties by atleast 5-6x what they would have been otherwise" 10/10 reading skills
2018-01-24 23:01
"it cost way more lives than the two nuclear bombs they dropped onto japan." so what is that "it"? The Armenian Genocide? Allow me to say it was in fact confusing to say "it" when it hadn't been mentioned in your previous comment.
2018-01-24 23:07
#236
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
"everyone did,it was called strategic bombing" yo man are you unable to understand english?
2018-01-24 23:42
Then wtf does "it" mean what are you talking about? You don't say anything then act like a cunt fuck you.
2018-01-24 23:45
#262
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
"it was called strategic bombing" jesus christ man you are comparing american nuclear bombs and strategic bombing to forcing people into the syrian desert
2018-01-25 14:58
#113
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Yugoslavia malikurac69 
""""""""""GENOCIDE""""""""""""
2018-01-24 20:21
ussr what for ?? they crush germany and save the world
2018-01-24 20:22
#136
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
Dekulakization, holodomor etc
2018-01-24 20:34
#217
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Kazakhstan TimaTea 
+1 , kazakhs lost half of population
2018-01-24 22:36
They got what they deserve :P :P :P
2018-01-24 20:47
#148
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
disgusting hope you´ll rot in hell
2018-01-24 20:51
If someone kills children and citiziens. I wont be upset for them
2018-01-24 20:52
you can not know our history better than me i raised with this.
2018-01-24 20:52
#153
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
your argument would suggest growing in Nazi Germany would make you know everything about Jews (and believing in it)
2018-01-24 20:54
dont think so brother. My ancestors let Armenians live in peace and what religion they want. First oppurtunity they found they attacked to citiziens at 1915 while we are defending our country againts. France England Italy Greece and more and more. So dont tell me about Armenian.
2018-01-24 20:56
#167
2018-01-24 21:08
#161
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Germany Nuvock 
You only want to bash turks, thats why you created this thread. You seem to be pretty triggered by them. Let me guess, they don't suffer like you do.
2018-01-24 21:03
Guy intentionally ignores my questions and not reading what i link even tho he said the opposite +1. this guy is a loser. an ignorant one
2018-01-24 21:06
#183
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
i am not reading turkish desinformation about "Armenians killing themselvs" you are the ignorant one here, not open to discussion
2018-01-24 21:29
#169
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
i am doing fine ty. i made this thread to see opinions i see good opinions from Turks but i also see Turks who fail to provide any nonbiased sources and blindly attacking every other source or opinion if any other country did that i would write about them personally i have nothing against Turks i am just not fine with denying or agreeing with inhuman behaviour
2018-01-24 21:07
#167
2018-01-24 21:12
#162
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Kazakhstan TimaTea 
Why is everyone silent about the genocide of the Neanderthals, the fucking Cro-Magnon people must answer for their crimes and return to them the conquered territories
2018-01-24 21:03
#182
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
+1 never forgetti
2018-01-24 21:26
Okay. I have a friend from Erzurum who knows a lot about this from what he tells, local Armenians were provoked by Russians first and betrayed Turks. Local Muslim folks and the government were outraged about this and Turkish gangs were formed to assault local Armenians, and for 1 Turk killed there were 2 Armenians killed. Also Armenians were certainly wealthier than Turks so their wealth got seizured. After all of this Ottoman government ordered Armenians to migrate into Syrian lands while organizing Kurdish gangs on their way to wipe them out. Most of them died, end of the story.
2018-01-24 21:06
#181
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
so all this happened bc few Armenians went dogshit. then government started to slaughter them and Armenians were defending themselvs. civilians who survived were sent to their death. am i saying it right?
2018-01-24 21:26
Ye and they needed someone to blame for the losses, armenians were already commiting nasty shit for 20 years like raiding banks
2018-01-24 22:56
#239
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
i mean that was the case for lot of the countries. small crimes done by "minorities" but i don´t think you can blame all Armenians for it, it was jest few hundred fucks tryna rob n shit and killing million people doesn´t seem as a right solution to me
2018-01-24 23:49
They were blamed for the defeat against Russia in ww1 eastern turkey front
2018-01-25 00:15
#244
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
just like Hilter blamed jews for economic crisis
2018-01-25 00:28
Because Armenia is a false nation.
2018-01-24 21:08
no?
2018-01-24 21:34
Because you say, 'no' I am meant to believe you?
2018-02-27 06:00
This thread is good for detecting fakeflagging Turks :-)
2018-01-24 21:15
#228
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
hahahaha +++ D:DD
2018-01-24 22:59
lol true
2018-01-25 00:18
afaik the armenians started it and what we commonly know is propaganda by britain.
2018-01-24 21:34
#285
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Germany de_overpass 
afaik the jews started it and what we commonly know is propaganda by britain.
2018-02-27 06:13
#209
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Spain Donra 
what USSR genocide? When?
2018-01-24 22:15
#214
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
#136
2018-01-24 22:30
#221
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Spain Donra 
Holodomor is not accepted as genocide by almost any serious sociologist or historian in the world.
2018-01-24 22:45
#234
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
Why are Nazi Germany and USSR blamed for their past crimes (and rightfully so) but Turkey is not for what they did to Armenians? never said "genocide" in the context of USSR tho i think it could be seen as one from a certain point of view
2018-01-24 23:30
Holodomor in Ukraine 1932-33. Genocide of Ukrainians by moscow.
2018-02-27 10:18
#213
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Yugoslavia BuddDwyer 
because nobody likes Armenians, for good reason
2018-01-24 22:25
because turkey is not a true democracy there is no free speech there are no true values
2018-01-24 22:58
#233
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Finland Jodecast 
+1
2018-01-24 23:18
#235
Friis | 
Canada uhJake 
Holy shit Turkish people literally don't think it happened. 0_o link me one of your history books pls
2018-01-24 23:34
Turks butchered same time: 1.200.000 to 1.500.000 Armenians 250.000 to 700.000 Assyrians 550.000 to 800.000 Greeks they dont recognise their crimes against humanity with the ''smart'' excuse that all these ppl died due to natural causes of war,famine and social tensions and it wasnt planned . They killed hundreds of thousands kids women and old men by sending them to ''Working Battalions'' aka ''Amele Taburu'' exposing them to savage working-weather-living conditions like marching in desert without water ,marching in snow without clothes etc.
2018-01-25 00:31
Because past is past.
2018-01-25 10:49
8/8 thread, OP clearly knows how to bait turks next: free kurdistan
2018-01-25 10:52
#258
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Sweden Bangs 
Turkey will never recognize it since they have been brainwashed to believe that it either didnt happen or it was a "conflict". Try talking to a japanese person about Nanking or unit 731 and you get a similar response
2018-01-25 13:35
#261
device | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo 
Germany's punishment should be much more severe! Just look at how many imporant nazis escaped to south american countries or even facist european countries(Spain) and nothing ever happened to them. These are people who organized the biggest mass murder in history. Turkey is another matter, they don't even want to hear about this armenian genocide and when you talk to a Turk it's obvious they're brainwashed hard, cause u can face them with facts and they'll still say it didn't happen. Nationwide amnesia must have hit them.
2018-01-25 14:37
#267
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Romania Tise 
That's cool, while we are at it let's also make the Jews admit their blame for Holodomor
2018-01-25 18:42
#273
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Turkey ao1 
lol just talk about armenian genocide, are you guys fucking stupid or acting like it? if we did or not, while european countries like britain, france, germany, belgium caused a ton of fucking death, you guys are blaming turkey for a "genocide" which is much less than those countries' did.
2018-01-25 21:34
#278
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Belgium KYC 
So? At least they acknowledged it.
2018-01-26 04:25
when they speak of "Armenian genocide" I remember my favorite band, System Of A Down
2018-01-26 03:26
#279
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Turkey xerbuf 
Best armenian are dead armenian Best german are dead german Best jewish are dead jewish Best k*rdish are dead k*rdish Best canadian are dead canadian Best russian are dead russian Best usa are dead usa Best swish are dead swish
2018-01-26 04:34
#282
Jesus | 
Czech Republic Jurys 
best Turks are not-retarded Turks
2018-01-26 11:23
why u dont talk about armenian genocide against Azerbaijan. two faced europeans
2018-02-27 06:17
Welcome to the leading CS:GO site in the world, featuring news, demos, pictures, statistics, on-site coverage and much much more!
2018-02-27 06:21
:D
2018-02-27 10:19
the worst part is 3rd worlders who can barely put together a coherent message in english attempt to go into detailed discussions
2018-02-27 10:35
who are armenian?
2018-02-27 10:20
Even at the ages of ottoman is strongest country they let the europeans, africans, asians talk their own language live their own believe live their own culture (u can confirm this with european writers that lived at that time). Armenian genocide thing is a big lie that some ppl serve time to time. We never accept that blaming cause if we have did it we would never fear to tell the truth. Turks are kind of ppl that can never do genocide.
2018-02-27 10:36
hitler did nothing wrong
2018-02-27 18:24
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