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why faze still top2 ?
Sweden Black139 
it's interesting
2018-01-29 23:21
Portugal Turambar 
inteesting part is, why SK top1
2018-01-29 23:22
real ranking 2.c9 3.g2 4.faze 5.fnatic 6.mouz 7.vp 8.astralis 9.navi 10.gambit
2018-01-29 23:25
hahahaha G2>FaZe and VP at 7???? HAHAHHAHAHHA
2018-01-29 23:26
faze fully overrated team
2018-01-29 23:26
hahahhahahhahahahah G0-2 VP 0-3
2018-01-29 23:27
I mean G2-C9 was always the real final, the team to win that was bound to win it all seeing how the bracket went.
2018-01-30 01:21
ur basically the kinda person saying #notMyPresident cause you didnt vote for Trump "#notMyMajorFinal cause G2 is my favorite team"
2018-01-30 01:29
Nah, it was obvious that the winner of that match would have a supreme confidence boost on their run through the major, and as SK's game looked unpolished throughout and FaZe just can't keep it together in finals it was pretty obvious. The Grand Final was much closer than i thought tbh, but I still don't understand laughing at a team going 0-2 against the major winners who made everyone a laughing stock except for the final where the nerves were pretty easily visible throughout, unlike in the matches before that.
2018-01-30 04:19
Canada Sipr 
2018-01-30 04:28
United States Finnick 
Stupidest person I have seen on this website...
2018-01-30 04:55
Ummm... not obvious that whoever won that game was going to win the major. The whole point of having more than 1 major a decade is because teams change and improve, so FaZe could have easily been different in this final and not choked. Eventually they aren't going to choke anymore, just like Astralis. They choked how many tournaments in a row before they won their first major? Also, how are you saying it was obvious G2/C9 was going to win the major over FaZe? The game went to the last map and went to overtime on the first map and double overtime on the second map, including the team that finally won the third map and the major final, being the team that was original NOT on map point meaning there was also a comeback involved (not to mention FaZe had a bit of their own comeback on Mirage). I don't see how this could have been anymore uncertain of a game. I don't know about laughing at the teams that got 2-0'd but I am pretty positive that the nerves on G2 were not effecting them since it was only the quarters and they were playing a team that they should have beaten (when predicting from before the major), and they are almost all veteran and legend players in CS history. For them it was probably just another tournament. If they did look like they were showing some nerves, I would say it was because Cloud9 caught them off-guard, not because they were nervous going into the game.
2018-01-30 05:11
It was obvious, and without nerves the final would have been a 2-0 for C9, you had to be blind to not know C9/G2 was gonna win the tournament 90% of the time, no other team looked clean in their gameplay throughout. And with nerves I meant C9 in final, not G2 at any point of the tournament.
2018-01-30 11:55
United States pSilent 
> Nah, it was obvious that the winner of that match would have a supreme confidence boost on their run through the major wat Also, I doubt G2 would've beaten FaZe or SK considering how they played in that quaterfinal.
2018-01-30 05:18
As I said the team winning that match is going to win. SK's gameplay looked really really unpolished, and the teamplay was nowhere near their normal level, and FaZe didn't look like anything special throughout and had players such as Karrigan and NiKo who really never show up at a major final. It got much closer than i thought it would be though.
2018-01-30 11:59
Australia CKS 
your forgetting the fact cloud9 went 0-2 with their shit teamplay and individual ability (in those 2 games)
2018-01-31 02:57
Japan ToshikoSatoru 
They were the only team to push c9 the major champs that far and g2 got bashed by c9
2018-01-30 05:07
fnx | 
Portugal lovessd 
g2 doesn't even deserve a top7
2018-01-30 06:37
France EyalSword 
Well they made it to the playoffs, so they deserved it
2018-01-30 07:40
ure retarded fakeflag
2018-01-29 23:27
Europe themissionary 
Why do you even count vp in lol.....
2018-01-29 23:27
fnatic / FaZe > G2
2018-01-29 23:27
2018-01-29 23:28
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
literally dumbest ranking ive ever seen. so many idiots think cos 1 team has a good tournament they should be top3. just because c9 win this major doesnt mean they are 2nd best team in the world. they had 1 good tournament and won. 3rd is as high as they should be right now. same with sk 1st, faze 2nd and g2 4th. astralis 8th? lol. vp ABOVE astralis and navi? are you fucking high or what
2018-01-29 23:30
ofc you are faze fan karrigan worst igl niko so inconsistent faze overrated
2018-01-29 23:32
Fact versus flame comment /close
2018-01-29 23:39
Please compare FaZe players before Karrigan and after and tell me how bad he is.
2018-01-30 05:12
if you c9 always played like they did that tournament and you dont think that they would be top3 (at worst) then you are actually retarded... im not saying for sure that they will play like that in the future, but since they did it for the entire tournament i think its fair to try and place them in your ratings with you assuming that they will keep playing like that
2018-01-30 01:31
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
but thats just what im saying. c9 havent been playing like that the last few tournaments, so you cant rank them higher than teams who have been consistently achieving more in the past 6-8 months. c9 have one good event, so they are as high as they should be on the rankings right now. if they make a long run in the next tournament they attend and beat other top teams again, then yes they should go up. as for your karrigan hate. i dont think its justified. hes an incredibly smart player and a good ingame leader. yes hes made a few bad calls, hes had bad plays. but find me an ingame leader who consistently performs as well as their teams stars. there isnt one. he does his job and that is to direct and utilize his players of which he has some of the best in the world. faze lost in the final because they underestimated c9, they made a lot of mistakes, they panicked in situations you'd expect that calibre of players not to. the pressure was overwhelming for karrigan, niko, guardian. i mean did you even see the winning play? guardian completely exposed to ruins and ct spawn peeking banana in a 1v2, when he knew a player was ct. guess what im saying is, the loss wasn't on karrigan alone. not even close. he did his best. if anything you could say niko drastically underperformed. he had only 9 kills more than karrigan across all 3 maps, and 1 more death.
2018-01-30 21:05
sure, but the only reason that people make posts like "top 10 teams now" and "why faze still top2" right after tournaments and especially majors, is because they are making assumptions and assessments based on the major our tournament that just occurred. thats why these posts are wayyyy more common after tournaments, rather than randomly all the time. and where did i hate on karrigan? i think hes great? if you are talking about #81 i was responding to the other guy who was hating on him and telling him to look at faze before and after they got karrigan and telling him to tell me how bad karrigan was AFTER because I knew he wouldn't be able to
2018-01-31 02:59
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
yeah replied to the wrong dude about the karrigan thing my bad
2018-01-31 13:03
hey, if vp decide to stop throwing they will be top 5, but they cant stop they are addicted, rip skins lel
2018-01-30 02:15
C9 win 1 major and are top2, kkkkkkkkk, FaZe win many tourneys against C9 but top 5, kK,KKKGKKGKGKGKGKGK,fsddsfsdfsdf
2018-01-30 01:55
Brazil Collee 
xD C9 won two tier 1 tournaments in more than two years, people want them as #2 or #1
2018-01-30 04:26
Canada Number1F1fan 
They just happy atm wait a couple of months for c9 to not play as good and they will calm down
2018-01-31 16:36
United States Merk0 
Nice b8 (all this guy does is post brainded shit on hltv)
2018-01-30 04:25
Canada Sipr 
2018-01-30 04:27
Finland Taynz 
Ahahahhaahahah 0/8
2018-01-30 06:40
France mintzz 2.fnatic 3.g2 4.faze
2018-01-30 12:02
i agree with everything but VP obviously
2018-01-30 21:32
Brain not detected
2018-01-31 02:54
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
why wouldn't they be? they still made a run to the semi final of the major after winning dozens of tournaments including majors the past year. just because they don't win this one doesn't mean they should auto lose their #1 spot. besides, faze are less than 10 points from deranking them.
2018-01-29 23:27
"i won 17 majors in 2016, how can i not be #1 forever" you cant base everything on the past, there is a reason that when you look at the stats for players on hltv, the further back a game/tournament is, the less it effects their rating... literally tournaments from a year ago are 100% irrelevant cause almost every team was different back then, so why would you base ratings off of something that means nothing anymore
2018-01-30 01:33
2018-01-29 23:52
Brazil Collee 
Semifinals with a standin. C9 are not better than SK because of one tournament only, it's their second tier 1 tournament won in more than two years
2018-01-30 04:26
Because they made finals of the major? top 2 = top 2?
2018-01-29 23:24
SK always top1
2018-01-29 23:25
Germany VeryNiceGuy 
next week Faze will be Top1 cause point decay Have a nice day! -VeryNiceGuy
2018-01-29 23:25
For a couple days, because SK will play cs_summit and then go back to #1
2018-01-29 23:30
Finland em7 
2018-01-29 23:31
Actually with the WESG 2017 NA Finals SK might retain #1
2018-01-29 23:33
And FaZe will win SS S4 and be numba juan
2018-01-29 23:36
just like they would win the major right?
2018-01-29 23:36
Placed higher than SK
2018-01-29 23:42
Still lost, also dont forget SK played with felps :) Everyone with at least half of a brain knows that SK with boltz is the #1 team right now.
2018-01-29 23:47
Felps isn't the reason they lost, stop using that excuse, they played with him hefore and won majors before.
2018-01-30 00:24
Its the same as putting allu playing instead of guardian. Of course it fucking changes. SK didnt practice with felps too.
2018-01-30 01:16
felps is on the same level as boltz if not even better, allu is just tier 20
2018-01-30 02:17
Brazil spaark1 
just stop posting, please
2018-01-30 06:43
Felps is replaced with boltz because of the role issue,Guardian is placed instead of allu because he is just way better,Your reasoning is shit.
2018-01-30 12:08
Holy fuck you are legit retarded. Boltz is so much better in the "grand scheme" and fits SK better. Not everything is about "raw aim". fucking autist.
2018-01-30 17:28
We know that Faze replaced allu with Guardian just because he was(Guardian)avalible in that momment and he used to be one of the best awpers.Faze wanted that flashy awper that can hold their backs.Felps is not replaced because of low skill and other stuffs.C'mon idiot,then tell me,If boltz is better then felps,why they didn't kick TACO instead of felps then,we all know that TACO is the worst player in SK currently.Everybody knows that felps has solid aim. " Boltz is so much better in the "grand scheme"I still can bet that felps was better then TACO even on the "grand scheme". "and fits SK better."That's what I said dumb shit.He was replaced because of the role issue,boltz fits better into the SK style.And they also replaced him because of his personality.
2018-01-30 20:55
Felps don't won any Major. He is not bad but Boltz is better ! so This is the reason
2018-01-30 09:23
He is bad, he is better. Seriously? Well FaZe didnt win it because they didnt have scream.
2018-01-30 12:24
True scream should replay with Rain ! 5 skilled player should be the best way but no IGL so idk.
2018-01-30 18:24
I m leaving now.
2018-01-30 19:41
Brazil gq8hjr 
ohhhhhhhhhhhh baby that was a hell of a rekt
2018-01-29 23:44
I'd sure hope so. They should dominate the tournament considering again it's them smurfing in a tier 2 event.
2018-01-29 23:55
Yea for sure, but I think just by playing the event they will be #1 bc faze isnt even attending. But who knows maybe if C9 wins it, they can be #1. I doubt it but who knows :D
2018-01-29 23:56
if sk loses 1 game rn, they will be under faze cause right now if you looko on the actual ratings page, sk only is above faze by literally 2 points haha, they were so close to losing #1... i think sk has 916 points and faze has 914 lol
2018-01-30 01:34
???? they are attending the event dude. Not attending an event is worse than being in the last place of the tournament.
2018-01-30 01:56
huh... look at the ranking page on hltv, faze was two points away from passing sk already just from the major, so if sk plays bad at all at this tournament they are going to be #2 on the hltv thing, and not really... (not saying that sk is going to do this, just talking about in general, but) if you attend a tournament and lose to fucking hellraisers 3 times and get eliminated then it probably would hav ebeen better to just not go lmfao
2018-01-30 02:13
holy fuck you are a dumb one arent you? Im not even going to waste my time explaining basic math to you.
2018-01-30 02:14
are you retarded? its not something you can even argue that is literally how their point system works? if sk loses at this tournament, they are going to lose points since they are rated above everyone and if you lose to someone who is supposed to be worse than you, you are going to lose points. if sk loses a map they are going to lose points and that would put them below faze, now obviously they probably are going to win more games than they are going to lose i would assume so even if they lose they can win the points back before the ranking list updates next week, but if sk loses they are going to lose points, and if they win they are going to gain barely anythign
2018-01-30 02:17
Dude, teams dont LOSE points if they lose in tournaments, they just dont gain. The only way team lose points= point decay and roster change.
2018-01-30 03:59 "...recent form over the last 2 months AND performance at the last 10 LAN events" "Online matches and tournaments are included..." I shouldn't even have to link or quote that. On what planet would they not lose points for losing in a tournament match? You really think that if SK went out and lost to fucking TSM or some shit 15x in a row they would only lose points for decay when they weren't playing or something? Did you even try thinking about what you said before posting it? By your logic all a team has to do to be placed highly is to get somewhere around the rank that they want to be and then literally just play games. They don't have to win, they don't have to lose, they literally just have to play and not make roster changes cause then they are playing and wouldn't lose points for decay. So basically SK could literally remain as the top 1 team forever as long as the core three are on the team and the play like a game a week or some shit. Get the fuck out of here spouting retarded ass shit all over the place as if you know anything about what you are saying. Don't act like you know how the algorithm works retard... "Im not even going to waste my time explaining basic math to you" as if you know the exact formula that they use to calculate rankings... Shut the fuck up please.
2018-01-30 04:53
2018-01-30 01:18
Germany VeryNiceGuy 
bet 5€ rain MVP and 5€ Niko MVP FeelsBadMan Have a nice day! -VeryNiceGuy
2018-01-30 01:41
:( too early for me feelsbad FaZe lost agian
2018-01-30 01:42
yaeh but now faze have 914 point and sk have 916
2018-01-29 23:27
if sk lose any games or faze win any games in the next week or two, faze will go to #1 prolly
2018-01-30 01:34
2018-01-30 02:06
just remembered but they only update the ratings once a week so rip the change for faze to be #1 gg
2018-01-30 02:11
on a better note why the hell did mouz lose 1 point for major quarters
2018-01-29 23:31
what does this even mean? lose 1 point of what?
2018-01-30 06:36
mouz made quarters of the major but lost 1 point in the rankings they were 351 now they 350
2018-01-30 07:11
a) lost to QBF (team ranked below them) b) barely beat SS (team ranked below them) c) lost to SS in qualifier (team ranked below them) d) games from january last year became more than 1 year old and are no longer accounted for in their score those are the possible reasons seems like they lost to or barely beat a couple teams they should have beat which loses a lot of points, and beat a couple teams below them which barely gives points, and won/loss games they were supposed to as well which wont effect it much so i guess: (Points for Quarters) - (2-0 Loss to FaZe in Quarters) - (Losses They Should Have Won) + (Wins) = -1 Point lmao
2018-01-30 07:25
1. faze 2. c9 3. sk 4. g2 5. astralis 6. fnatic 7. mouz 8. navi 9. gambit 10. north
2018-01-29 23:36
2018-01-30 02:11
they have won only one important championship and think that they are the best LUL NA LOGIC KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK Never forget: 3x0
2018-01-30 04:07
if they play like they did at this tournament all the time, then c9 are top3 100% i honestly am not really believing they can keep that up very long, but they did play at that insane level pretty much the entire tournament so they are clearly capable
2018-01-30 06:37
Denmark Zorrondo 
rigged tournament. worst major ever, c9 still tier 3
2018-01-30 13:58
krakow was the worst major by far... and not rigged, you can literally watch it and see that c9 was doing great things retard
2018-01-31 02:49
United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Your terrible bait aside, I'm actually impressed with QBF all-in-all... they went from being top 50 to 16th overall. They went up a staggering thirty-two places after qualifying for the Major and now they went up a further nine places to 16th. Literally a team to come out of nowhere and prove themselves with the chance they got.
2018-01-29 23:36
I think they definitely got very lucky. Making top 8 at a major without beating a team better than mouz... Still, that bo1 against mouz was a good win, and they've ensured the org gets sticker/prize money from at least 2 majors. Hopefully the org invests in the players and they can have a true breakout performance sometime soon.
2018-01-29 23:45
United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
They took G2 all the way to OT, too. Definitely a team I'm looking forward to seeing more of. :)
2018-01-29 23:46
I think you mean Gambit? They lost to G2 16-4... I actually think gambit is overrated right now. They looked pretty bad at the major. That's why I didn't mention them.
2018-01-29 23:48
United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Ah, I meant Vega in the Qualifiers. xD Forgive me.
2018-01-29 23:50
CIS in general has a lot of good teams right now that aren't necessarily "top tier". Possibly the deepest region in terms of talent. Also, I was confused at first because I thought you meant QBF took Vega to OT in the qualifiers.
2018-01-29 23:57
The points they got for getting 2nd were not enough to close the gap because SK got 3-4th.
2018-01-29 23:40
Rankings aren't based of a single major, that's why Have an okay day -VeryOkayGuy
2018-01-30 01:19
Brazil Jedo 
+1 its based on the last 3 months
2018-01-30 02:10
FaZe forever top 2 they wasted their chance... sk now with boltz, faze have no chance fallen laughing hard right now
2018-01-30 01:41
2018-01-30 06:38
Brazil vinnyzeraNTC 
As the guy above me said, FaZe will never be top 1 again. They wasted their chance to get that top 1 for a while. Now that SK is with Boltz, get ready for a 2018 exactly like it was in 2016 and 2017, with SK dominating everything and ending the year as the most successful team.
2018-01-30 01:48
k edit: lmfao faze top1 in 3 months from now or sooner
2018-01-30 06:38
C9 won one bo3, you need consistency to become a top team imo i dont think they should be #3
2018-01-30 04:56
one bo3? you mean one bo3 vs faze? AND one bo3 vs sk? AND one bo3 vs G2? AND one bo1 vs astralis? AND .... who else do they need to beat
2018-01-30 06:39
me obv.f If they can't beat me,they should not be top3 lol.
2018-01-30 12:10
Very true i did overlook their road to the final, and did just focus on that one bo3, but they still need consistent win after this to be called a top team
2018-01-30 13:56
Stewie2K | 
North America Xheng 
I love C9 more than any favorite team I have on my page, and stewie more than any player on this world, but C9 should be #3 because all other team's accomplishments are waning away. As for Faze and SK, both have been to recent finals more consistently, and C9 has finished in semis, (remember they always faced and lost against Faze previously in Semis).
2018-01-30 05:19
but at the same time, c9's bad finishes from a year ago are fading out and they are clearly better than 1 year ago. everyone is just averaging out
2018-01-30 06:42
Stewie2K | 
North America Xheng 
Still hasn't been long enough for that to happen.
2018-01-30 07:49
what? you mean c9's old tournaments aren't going out yet? i think I looked and there was some stuff going out right now, and in the next few weeks. but either way that will make them go up in rating a tiny bit so... kinda goes against your original argument lol
2018-01-30 07:51
Stewie2K | 
North America Xheng 
I'm talking about the other teams. Never once have I talked about old C9. I was talking about the ones within 4 months... I explicitly said semis, which old c9 barely could do. Astralis is still 5th, which goes against your argument as well, same with G2, lol.
2018-01-30 07:58
Well after 1 year they don't effect rating at all, so that is why I said 1 year, cause c9 will start losing a lot of really bad tournament placements really soon which will help them go up. But I wasn't really trying to make an argument just saying that c9 is also going to gain points cause these shitty tournaments (for them) are going out of effect.
2018-01-30 08:26
A year or not, it won't matter, lol. Plus a lot more variables can come into play after a year including more tourneys. It still won't be enough. Faze has had better placings overall compared to C9. It'll make them go up by say, 200 points. They won't catch Faze. Which was the original point being made before this whole side tangent occurred.
2018-01-30 09:18
Europe p1peb0mb 
because they reached final in last 3 big tournaments
2018-01-30 07:26
Faze gained 42 points and sk lost 51, Faze lost the grand finals and sk lost to c9(champions of the tournament) so its still normal. Talking about skill/team. They played the major with felps, I guess with boltz tehy are probably the best team, neither clou9 nor faze could take the major win if sk was with the full roster
2018-01-30 21:39
Europe n0kay 
it's just 2 points between sk and faze, one more good tournament for faze and they are top1 once again.
2018-01-30 21:41
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