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25: The Best CS:GO Players (2013-2017)
Russia Jovik 
1. GeT_RiGhT (Ninjas in Pyjamas) SWE 2. flusha (Fnatic) SWE 3. coldzera (Luminosity Gaming) BRA 4. olofmeister (Fnatic) SWE 5. Snax (Virtus.Pro) POL 6. device (Team SoloMid) DEN 7. NiKo (mousesports) BOS 8. FalleN (Luminosity Gaming) BRA 9. Happy (Team LDLC.com) FRA 10. paszaBiceps (Virtus.Pro) POL 11. kennyS (Titan) FRA 12. fer (Luminosity Gaming) BRA 13. f0rest (Ninjas in Pyjamas) SWE 14. GuardiaN (Natus Vincere) SVK 15. shox (G2 Esports) FRA 16. JW (Fnatic) SWE 17. KRIMZ (Fnatic) SWE 18. dupreeh (Team Dignitas) DEN 19. s1mple (HellRaisers) UKR 20. Xyp9x (Astralis) 21. NBK- (Team EnVyUs) 22. boltz (Immortals) 23. tarik (OpTic Gaming) 24. nitr0 (Team Liquid) 25. rain (FaZe Clan) The list is based on 2C: Capability (Individual skill, peak-form performance, pressure control), Consistency (Top finishes, positive rating on average, titles per year/overall). The teams were choosen by the players' peak performances/breakouts while playing for those. You're allowed to disagree, disallowed to be butthurt!
2018-02-10 14:01
#1
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Brazil UnderJZ 
Very good :)
2018-02-10 14:02
look at 24 and 23 m8
2018-02-14 07:29
#342
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Brazil UnderJZ 
nvm hahahah
2018-02-20 02:36
#2
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Slovakia HanSoloBerger 
stopped reading at Happy 9th, also after that ur list is total bullshit
2018-02-10 14:03
#19
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United States NoSexyTime4Me 
Happy at his peak, was insane.. back in LDLC when he got that insane Deagle ace was incredible..
2018-02-10 14:27
#20
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Slovakia HanSoloBerger 
dont worry i know im not a newfag, but in the last 2 year he did absolutely nothing
2018-02-10 14:28
#26
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United States NoSexyTime4Me 
I know these days hes terrible haha
2018-02-10 14:32
shox and forest should be very high
2018-02-10 15:09
#246
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
true, both are pretty consistent (never going with low impact perfomance for weeks/monthes) + an amazing peak-form performance
2018-02-13 16:32
shox was a god back then and forest is pne of the most consistent player of all time Consistency: Forest >cold
2018-02-13 16:37
Not true, cold is just as consistent with more firepower.
2018-02-25 04:41
#302
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India Ad1_KaM 
Then GTR doesn't deserve the first place that way. Because, he's nowhere near his peak since I don't know when. He still has his god like spray control and all but he's not as good.
2018-02-14 05:36
#22
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Portugal tioNik 
Lucky shots through the smoke and good timings. Nobody is ever gonna do anything like that just because of the things i mentioned early.
2018-02-10 14:29
#27
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United States NoSexyTime4Me 
That was just one of the many clips, but back in 2013-2014 he was a great lurker igl
2018-02-10 14:32
#30
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United States AproximateCS 
The best players are luck lol. Example, flying awp shot coldzera
2018-02-10 14:34
Double aswell
2018-02-10 14:35
#34
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Portugal tioNik 
Yes
2018-02-10 14:35
That shot was lucky but you can't say he is not the best player in the world right now. He isn't just really lucky. He is the most consistent player and he often has insane games with a ridiculous amount of kills and clutches
2018-02-10 14:50
#131
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United States AproximateCS 
Never said he was lucky, I'm saying the play was luck. And honestly I only don't like him cus he's cocky and talks shit lol
2018-02-10 16:01
cocky? talks shit? sauce please faze fan talks, i just love how they make a joke out of themselves on twitter before literally every match against stronger team
2018-02-11 05:07
#177
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United States AproximateCS 
Lmao your kidding right? All I've heard them say is that SK is still #1 and no one expected c9 to win lol
2018-02-11 13:49
how is that cocky? well sk might still be #1 team, c9 cant be called the best just because of major and some won matches. If they still dominate after some weeks then yes, sk aswell might change their opinion.
2018-02-11 17:11
#357
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Macedonia AstralisGoat 
couple examples "shut up faggot kid" "he doesn't know the basics of CS" I'm not even going to fill you in on the context just sure those phrases.
2018-02-20 10:07
#64
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Philippines yekeko 
He was in NV already when he did that
2018-02-10 15:07
#123
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France Nikoemok 
fils de chien va le deagle ct avec nv nik tes mort happy pue
2018-02-10 15:55
#148
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France 2Ez4MaBoyZ 
This is an international site, please write your comment in English. Comments in another language will be deleted.
2018-02-10 17:53
#151
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France Nikoemok 
dac fils dep
2018-02-10 18:45
if that is how you base someones skill...
2018-02-11 03:38
#304
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United States b7a 
Happy was in nV when he got the Deagle ace. That aside, he was pretty damn solid at his peak.
2018-02-14 05:40
I don't ask for your opinion, Happy could be even higher. He's incredible at it.
2018-02-10 15:27
jovik is biased towards happy, but its all good. when he actually cared he was insane.
2018-02-11 02:57
You're absolutely right. Who'd want to play at this point now.
2018-02-11 03:02
i think he can still return to previous form, but not as consistently. hopefully the new roster rejuventes him and ScreaM.
2018-02-11 03:02
He needs a trust to be awoken, he doesn't care now. Just playing around, getting that monthly income, life is easy. But when his countrymen will realise and the talks will start, he will comeback and mend all our hearts.
2018-02-11 03:04
hopefully
2018-02-11 03:04
#3
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
1. ferGOD #facts
2018-02-10 14:03
easiest report of my life
2018-02-10 14:32
#248
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
delusional
2018-02-13 16:33
#262
fer | 
Brazil raoGOD 
thats what i would say if any one denies the fact that ferGOD is top 1
2018-02-13 16:53
#267
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Hong Kong wqnxy1 
hltv.org/news/22348/top-20-players-of-20.. besides hltv literally every1 thinks that he is not top1 and even mroe than that most of ppl thinks he doesnt even deserve top5 (cuz he obviously doesnt)
2018-02-13 16:55
#268
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Brazil raoGOD 
and those are the delusional people.
2018-02-13 16:55
#4
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Germany r4jzN 
some players are placed to high or to low
2018-02-10 14:03
#7
Russia Jovik 
Which ones?
2018-02-10 14:18
#9
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Germany r4jzN 
To low: - JW - shox To high: - pasza - Pasha and consistency? - NiKo - Since he joined FaZe he started winning tournaments and that has only been one of the 5 years, so I doubt it that he should be this high ranked
2018-02-10 14:22
JW had a success on the rush wave of his enthusiastic teammates, he was averagely good throughout the time and especially during Fnatic's peak. shox is the opposite scenario, he was growing in an incredible rate since LDLC roster, he was medium on that team and ever since he got kicked, he had only improved so far but isn't as good as others. pasza was always good, the second best player on his team operating equally with both rifles and AWP. He's at the right spot. NiKo is performing out of mind when his team struggles, it's now that he's on a good team, he got quiet for a while but the list is based on capabilities for the half of it. He has a lot.
2018-02-10 14:50
#47
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India yeetmeister 
Even when niko was in mouz he was incredibly talented..... More than just a deag fraggie. He judged them on CAPABILITY.... & CAPACITY.... I agree. JW & shoxie too low.... Shox KennyS JW ez top 10.
2018-02-10 14:56
what ppl forget about niko in mouz that he was IGL as well
2018-02-10 15:10
It's good, but shouldn't f0rest be a little higher? I mean he was duo with get right for the best in the world for a while.
2018-02-10 14:05
#6
Russia Jovik 
Perhaps, he would be much higher if I was to grasp 1.6 years as well!
2018-02-10 14:18
#250
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Hong Kong wqnxy1 
#246
2018-02-13 16:34
How am I supposed to find it? Copy the words, not the number.
2018-02-13 16:37
ctrl+f ---> #246
2018-02-20 03:25
yeah he should be atleast top 19 or higher
2018-02-10 15:11
#305
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India Ad1_KaM 
Yep, he still has awesome games unlike GTR I would say.
2018-02-14 05:42
f0rest should be alot higher olof should be above flusha
2018-02-10 14:20
Why.
2018-02-10 14:22
stats
2018-02-10 14:22
They're partly important, that's not all.
2018-02-10 14:23
ofcourse thats not the only reason olof was the best player in the world for a long time while flusha has never been the best f0rest won 2 mvp titles in 2016 alone
2018-02-10 14:24
HLTV rating is not a trusted source and flusha was MVP of the Major, he was always consistent. That's why f0rest #12 and not lower, his persona is wonderful and he's still very relevant but he never showed anything outstanding. Just a good player throughout time.
2018-02-10 14:52
yes flusha deserves to be high but olof is alot better troughout history olof has mvp in major aswell
2018-02-10 15:10
Quite opposite, olof is better on some certain moments, most of 2015, partly in 2016, good enough in 2017 and etc. flusha was good ever since the first Major and to this day.
2018-02-10 15:14
you are absolutely fucking retarded if you think flusha has been better than olof WHEN HAS FLUSHA BEEN THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD??????????
2018-02-10 17:02
In 2015 I think. olof was better than him in 2015 but flusha was better than him the rest of time.
2018-02-10 17:11
we have to agree to disagree
2018-02-10 17:42
A daily routine.
2018-02-10 17:42
But Flusha was only really good when he lifted his mouse all the time
2018-02-20 03:10
What it's supposed to mean?
2018-02-25 04:40
If you follow the scene, you know what it means...
2018-02-25 20:46
I'm guessing what it means but as long as he's not banned, it will just be a tongue wag. He's a very experienced and intelligent player.
2018-02-26 01:00
It's much more than that. A lot of people (in the pro scene as well) is convinced that he used to cheat his ass off. And it hasn't become less suspicious that he all of a sudden has no weird 'moments' anymore, while he used have them all the time. Did he change his play style? Or the way he lifts his mouse??? Or..? Of course he's a very experienced and intelligent player. But he is nowhere #2 - at least not in my opinion.
2018-02-27 02:37
I heard you but I should remind you that it's not only flusha who accidentally dropped in the form comparing him to him in the previous seasons, there are much more players who can't do what they did before. There could be a lot of factors such as he lost interest in gaming, he has no motivation anymore, he changed his role in the team and anything else. But yet again, he always delivers if Fnatic is to win!
2018-02-27 02:47
Olof above flusha top kek
2018-02-20 09:56
thats what basically every caster and analyst would say
2018-02-20 15:02
#13
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Sweden New@ac@low@id 
10/10
2018-02-10 14:23
GTR < olofm GTr good in 2014 a bit in 2015. Olof good in 2014/2015, above decent 2016, decent 2017
2018-02-10 14:25
#21
jOELZ | 
Europe tim69 
gtr 2013
2018-02-10 14:29
#118
f0rest | 
Argentina Nawll 
gtr 2012
2018-02-10 15:48
#143
jOELZ | 
Europe tim69 
a lil bit
2018-02-10 17:01
#203
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Canada Heatbeat_ 
GTR 2013-2015 olof 2015-2016
2018-02-13 15:45
Csgo wasnt really an esport back in 2013. Olof played good in 2014 too. Gtr not in 2016/2017. Still love gtr though
2018-02-13 16:46
#360
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Slovakia Krafko 
Hello VeryOlofmeisterGuy from the Netherlands, Name checks out. Also GeT_RiGhT was the best player of 2012, 2013 and 2014. While olofmeister was a good player in 2014 and the best player in 2015.
2018-02-20 14:51
Csgo wasnt even a thing in 2012 lul
2018-02-20 14:58
#364
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Slovakia Krafko 
It was a thing. The 2 most dominant teams were VeryGames and Ninjas in Pyjamas, because they switched first.
2018-02-20 16:09
#16
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United States DooteR_ 
Ok, but NikO????? I think not
2018-02-10 14:25
Ofc you dont think so, youre br.
2018-02-10 15:46
#120
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United States DooteR_ 
But NikO was good 2017/2018 FalleN 2004~2009 and 2016~2018
2018-02-10 15:51
niko carried mouz as a Igl with tier 5 mates
2018-02-10 15:52
#122
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United States DooteR_ 
"Tier 5 matches" FalleN only 2016 Win 2 majors, and 2nd best player of the world.. Niko only 2017
2018-02-10 15:53
Bro learn to read before answering lol
2018-02-11 04:43
spiidi was the problem
2018-02-20 03:27
"9. Happy" xD
2018-02-10 14:26
Missing sixer in top 5, garbage list
2018-02-10 14:27
Top 3*
2018-02-10 15:47
#23
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Portugal Hkt 
This top makes absolutely no sense.
2018-02-10 14:30
why?
2018-02-10 15:51
#24
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Norway Arne1337 
Idk about rain
2018-02-10 14:31
#28
Respect | 
United Kingdom krazd 
boltz, nbk-, tarik and nitr0?? i arent think that
2018-02-10 14:33
Yeah I agree. I am huge Liquid fan and I love nitr0 but I don't think he is the second best NA player of all time. Other than the major qualifier(not the major just the qualifier against lower tier teams) he has not performed that great. Tarik is really good but I think players like Skadoodle and Hiko have had higher peak performances than him.
2018-02-10 14:53
#59
Respect | 
United Kingdom krazd 
baring in mind that this ranking is 2013-2017 and nitr0 really only started showing up a couple years ago and IMO hasn't been top 5 in NA
2018-02-10 15:02
Those are honorable mentions, thanks.
2018-02-10 15:29
stop reading at device but expected from jovik aaaaaaaaaaaxaxaxaxa
2018-02-10 14:34
device above KennyS and JW from 2013 to 2017 OK...
2018-02-10 14:35
Of course
2018-02-20 03:13
#32
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
Do you realize you put NiKo ahead of Fallen, f0rest, JW, kennyS... ?
2018-02-10 14:35
Outstanding capabilities. It's what the list is based on for the half.
2018-02-10 14:54
#212
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United Kingdom TheBoxerKick 
I still wouldn't say his peak is above that of f0rest or kennyS during their prime.
2018-02-13 15:55
His capability overall is one higher than all of theirs.
2018-02-14 04:50
#35
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Portugal CRMN1 
I admire the work and time put into this but I disagree with a few things. No way NiKo can be placed above shox on a "best of all time" ranking just yet. I completely agree with the top 5, but I really don't think Happy should come before KennyS (matter of fact KennyS is the closest I can think of to come next to Device). Guardian and JW both have had much better careers than Pasha so far yet they're placed 4 and 6 ranks behind. Just a few little adjustments but overall not that bad.
2018-02-10 14:40
Yeah but look what this list is based on, it's not just a raw skill or a perfect career. Every little thing.
2018-02-10 14:55
#206
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Slovakia Marbw0w 
GuardiaN havent won so much but his ratings was good overall, he should be top7 all time
2018-02-13 15:48
It's not about ratings only.
2018-02-14 04:50
Niko above kenny, f0rest, guardian, shox, jw, krimz, dupreeh xd tarik top 25 xd pasha above kenny xd retard list
2018-02-10 14:42
You're not being asked. Don't comment if you don't like it.
2018-02-14 04:51
#37
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Other VladimirLucas 
"6. device (Team SoloMid) DEN" ???????????????????????????????????
2018-02-10 14:43
Yeah, what's wrong?
2018-02-10 14:56
#61
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Other VladimirLucas 
you again? im not going to argue with you, last time we argued about k0nfig being overrated player stay away from me you danish fakeflagger
2018-02-10 15:06
At least not butthurt. Heard and done.
2018-02-10 15:07
nt flukestralis fan
2018-02-10 15:56
Flusha can’t be second, both Olof and cold are better than him, yes he’s very smart etc but nothing like Olof or cold, these players basically win rounds, flusha is like fer in sk, one of the best but not the best
2018-02-10 14:49
He was always good throughout time with many MVPs, one of those is of the Major. He's placed correctly, I'm assured.
2018-02-10 14:57
Same as Olof and cold wtf
2018-02-10 16:00
cold came in later, olof was not visible at the start.
2018-02-10 16:09
How was he not visible with 9 mvps and 1 major mvp, got into fnatic and won 7 tournaments in a row with them, flusha never did that
2018-02-10 16:19
What do we know about olof in 2013? Since mystery injury of olof, he suddenly is not a beast anymore, flusha never had it, is still good and was long before him.
2018-02-10 16:21
Are u kidding? Go watch Olof since he joined faze or even when he was at fnatic with flusha, flusha has been shit even without an injury
2018-02-10 16:32
Nonsense. He was just as good all the time before and after him.
2018-02-10 16:59
#149
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
I don't know about, but I remember pretty well Olof in the top 8 of the first major LUL.
2018-02-10 18:05
Just like TACO as a Major winner, I remember that too. He began shining much later from that moment.
2018-02-11 02:51
#45
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Atm cold shouldnt even be top 5. But of course new fags will make their list the way they want to...
2018-02-10 14:55
I'm considered as a 'newfag' for sure but I've seen CS:GO from all sides and no one ever showed consistency and intelligence in-game like coldzera. Keeping like that he will be #1.
2018-02-10 14:58
#55
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Yeah coldzera has been around the scene since 2012. Fuck other stars that have been relevant for 2x time that cold has been.
2018-02-10 14:59
Read the title again fella.
2018-02-10 15:01
#65
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Oh right cold was relevant since 2013 sorry. Dumbass
2018-02-10 15:08
Nobody cares for how long you're in the scene, 1.6 years have no relevance here, your butthurt is not welcome and your inability to read is a real shame.
2018-02-10 15:12
#74
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Call me butthurt all you want. But you are delusional if you think that cold is already #3. You are really blind.
2018-02-10 15:12
As well as you are then, his consistency is out of mind. He's literally always good and the solid unit his team can rely on. Read the fucking description before commenting.
2018-02-10 15:20
#83
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
I wont. I will just say that you are wrong and blind. You rate cold so highly because its recent and of course 3 years of playing is better than 5 years of playing so fuck the amount of matches played. In that case you can rate taco higher than people like friberg oh wait i wouldnt be surprised.
2018-02-10 15:19
3 or 5 years is not a big difference (even though you said x2 time more...), his capabilities and consistency is better than those of whom were around for 2 years more than him. He also achieved more than them already. So your denial is absurdic.
2018-02-10 15:23
#95
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
My denial is absurdic ? You are putting coldzera over players like kennys, device,snax. And did i mention Pasha > Kennys ranking ? lmao Kennys,device,snax all have major titles. Kenny was the mvp of a major. All of them were star players for more than 3 years. Kennys is relevant since the 1st day of csgo and nobody ever saw and awper dominate as much as he did in 2014. Device till 2017 made all major playoffs and i mean everysingle one of the majors and is one of the best hybrids we have ever seen. Snax is one of the biggest playmakers and also has won countless tournaments while being Vp's best player. Oh Coldzera was best player for 2 straight years. Yes he did win 2 majors but what i want to say to your dumbass that Short term wont overwrite long term achivements and you seem to not understand it. Done talking to you, you are a retard.
2018-02-10 15:29
Duration doesn't beat the effect. Basics. Get lost if you're not satisfied.
2018-02-10 15:33
#106
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Duration doesn't beat the effect. Yeah since kennys,snax,device had no effect in more years than cold. Basics. You are retarded go suck coldzeras dick if you are so obsessed with his 2 years lmao
2018-02-10 15:37
'Done talking to you', replying with another portion of insults. Read the description again and shut your mouth, now I'm done with you. We're done here.
2018-02-10 15:40
#112
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Finally we are done. When you are put in the place and things are explained to you why you are wrong you are ending the discusion. Well its not a bad choice actually because your best argument was that cold had a great effect lmao. You see not everyone can be brainwashed and i suggest you do more research than just going on coldzera's profile and taking into consideration his recent results and statistics from 2 years. Also that Kennys #11 and pasha #10 ranking just shows that you know nothing about cs. Afterall the average rank for csgo is Gold Nova 2 so no surprises here
2018-02-10 15:44
even tho i hate cold he is atleast top8 bit you cant deny that without his team he wouldnt be that good
2018-02-10 15:40
#111
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
I never said he is shit i said that he is not top 3
2018-02-10 15:41
ok but cold is the best and biggest baiter atm
2018-02-10 15:46
#124
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
Well now yes. Even happy didnt bait as much as this guy.
2018-02-10 15:55
+111
2018-02-10 15:12
0/8
2018-02-10 14:56
#49
shox | 
Latvia kebab_b 
stopped reading at jovik
2018-02-10 14:56
#170
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Europe Staley 
+1
2018-02-11 03:51
Good list +rep gained respect for jovik
2018-02-10 14:58
Thanks. I was known for making lists in other games!
2018-02-10 14:59
kenny is only one whos always been in top20 so i think he deserves higher spot easily
2018-02-10 14:59
He might struggle at times, phenomenal skills but lacking absolute consistency as a sniper.
2018-02-10 15:00
but happy pasha snax above him i dont think so. flusha has been pretty shit after 2015 so all time #2 i dont think so
2018-02-10 15:01
Happy has fit himself in all possible roles and responsible for the fact that France has 2 Major titles. Snax was consistently good throughout the time with lots of intellugent plays, it's a rarity. Pasha, just as Snax with a better dedication but less individual skill.
2018-02-10 15:04
Guardian was in every top20 since 2013 too. They are the only 2 players so they should at least be top5 for kenny top 10 for guardian. Funny how a top25 for the last 5 years have some players that are good for 6 monthes and did nothing before that.
2018-02-13 15:32
yeah they are newfags
2018-02-13 17:08
i miss old happy so much :c JW GOOD BUT NOT THE BEST
2018-02-10 15:07
#69
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Korea ENCE|jW 
Its bih not Bos lol
2018-02-10 15:10
Thanks for correction. I wish I knew that.
2018-02-10 15:17
1. olofmeister - fnatic - SWE 2. coldzera - LG/SK - BR 3. GTR - NiP - SWE 4. Snax - VP - POL 5. flusha - fnatic - SWE 6. shox - LDLC and stuff - FR 7. f0rest - NiP - SWE 8. kennyS - Titan and stuff - FR 9. Guardian - Navi/Faze - SLVK 10. fallen - LG/SK - BR 11. jW - fnatic - SWE 12. pasha - VP - POL 13. dev1ce - TSM and stuff - DNM 14. fer - LG/SK - BR 15. KRIMZ - fnatic - SWE 16. Niko - Faze - BOS 17. flamie - Navi - RUS 18. NBK - G2 and stuff - FR 19. friberg - NiP - SWE 20. Scream - nV and stuff - FR
2018-02-10 15:12
no cold is never before GTR olof and maybe snax
2018-02-10 15:15
It's up to each one but this one's very wrong.
2018-02-10 15:18
for less than 3 years.... CSGO is more than 5 years old
2018-02-13 15:34
The list is within 2013-2017 period.
2018-02-13 15:36
YEah that's 5 years, 5 top 20, learn to count Coldzera is good in 2016-2017 Kenny in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
2018-02-13 15:37
What do you wanna say? I don't get you.
2018-02-13 15:37
Was meant to be an answer to VeryBombedGuy
2018-02-13 15:39
Alright then. Just replied to the wrong guy. Have fun.
2018-02-13 15:40
coldzera is god kennys just good
2018-02-20 02:48
Never said otherwise, He just desserves better than 11 in all time CSGO best players list.
2018-02-20 09:52
scream is from belgium
2018-02-20 03:37
Pretend to be relevant there, I just made mine.
2018-02-10 15:20
Yes and I want to show people a better one.
2018-02-10 15:27
People will say which is a better one, not you. I already see that I'm a better person and I don't mind to lose to you in the list placings even it hadn't happened yet.
2018-02-10 15:31
imgur.com/a/dOYf6 Yes you are the better person 4Head
2018-02-10 15:32
Yes I am, anything else to say otherwise?
2018-02-10 15:34
What. The. Fuck
2018-02-27 03:09
#128
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Lithuania DieNastyA 
His is better and more popular. /closed
2018-02-10 15:56
Alright. I can live with that.
2018-02-10 16:07
WAIT WHAT TARIK ? Where is hiko or skadoodle or even stewie or autimatic
2018-02-10 15:14
Hiko is a honorable mention.
2018-02-10 15:20
bit hiko way vetter than tarik
2018-02-10 15:23
I wouldn't say. tarik is just as experienced and had a better breakout unlocking his abilities to lead and frag on top level.
2018-02-10 15:24
1kenny 2olof 3guardian
2018-02-10 15:17
kenny fanboy detected
2018-02-10 15:22
gtfo GeT_RiGhT | Germany VeryBombedguy lmaoooooooo
2018-02-10 15:23
still GTR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KennyBot
2018-02-10 15:27
hahahaha gtr 2015-2018 lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo kennys top 15(10) 2013-2018
2018-02-10 15:30
#91
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United Kingdom knowlezy 
1. Olof 2. Cold Olof in 2015 was unstoppable against any team, even luminosity/sk
2018-02-10 15:25
Brazilians were not relevant yet in 2015, he was the best in that certain year only.
2018-02-10 15:35
Flusha was never the best, what a stupid argument lmao
2018-02-10 16:01
He was the MVP of the third Major he won. He was always good.
2018-02-10 16:10
#97
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Sweden aer1aL 
boltz? Happy? nitr0? NBK? ???????????????????
2018-02-10 15:29
Yeah?
2018-02-10 15:35
cmon nbk is fine
2018-02-20 03:39
#359
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Sweden aer1aL 
He's "fine" totally not in my 2013-2017 TOP25 players list dawg.
2018-02-20 14:47
mOe eZ top1 summit1g eZ top2
2018-02-10 15:34
#109
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Poland SebaRost 
neo?
2018-02-10 15:41
Is a honorable mention. TOP 30.
2018-02-10 15:44
wheres hiko
2018-02-11 02:59
Is also the one! I talked about him below/above in this thread.
2018-02-11 02:59
where is GodHunden
2018-02-10 15:41
this list is about t2 players, hunden is the only t1 player on this planet
2018-02-10 16:27
true xD
2018-02-10 16:34
Kenny should be number 1
2018-02-10 15:47
nah
2018-02-10 15:56
#125
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Russia bugsYsiegel 
If NBK 21, then Boltz should be 99
2018-02-10 15:56
#129
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Turkey earslan123 
Wtf? Where is the xantares
2018-02-10 15:57
STOPED READING AT DEVICE
2018-02-10 16:08
#150
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Brazil Saimiri 
I would say its 2013-2016 list not 2017 But overall accurate
2018-02-10 18:07
#156
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
so many wrong things in ur list idk where to start from. in no way, nitr0 was a better player than rain at any point, not to mention fer being over shox when we both know shox is alot better than fer when both hit their prime. like shit wtf
2018-02-11 02:54
Capability and consistency, not just a raw skill or a perfect career. Every little thing is considered. Their fame and time they've been around made no impact at all.
2018-02-11 03:34
#179
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
That doesn't make sense at all. Let's say take Niko as an example. From time to time he plays sick, and sometimes he just play average or even bad. Now let's take a random consistent player like jugi, if jugi is a bit better than average and consistent, does it make him better than niko?
2018-02-11 16:29
Make sure you've read the description. Their skills and consistency as it is, are not the only criteria. And I think you mistake 'Capability' for something else, you know what they're capable of? That's it. Timeline as well, doesn't let JUGi make it to the list, further on in the next editions he might appear in here.
2018-02-14 04:53
#281
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
Pretty sure i know rain is alot more capeable than nitr0 lmao.
2018-02-14 05:08
His flashy plays might have made your mind, he was this good for the entire last year (at best), even though I've seen him rolling in the second half of the year only. nitr0 was on the spotlight for a little longer while handling a different roles such as the leader. He's got experience and boldness to go on now, rain is still holding onto his warm place 'neath the FaZe logo.
2018-02-14 05:11
#297
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
It's not only rain, I can mention like at least 10 more players which deserve his spot on this list
2018-02-14 05:21
It's your opinion, I never asked for it. You either agree or not, why bother commenting in the second case? You know what my list is based on so what's all this nagging for?
2018-02-14 05:23
Shox should be higher. Nitro, Tarik and boltz shouldn't be on the list. KennyS should be the highest Frenchie.
2018-02-11 02:58
Perhaps but he's not the best french player this game ever knew. The list is based on 2C, not just a raw skill or a perfect career. Think for yourself.
2018-02-11 03:35
#168
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Why do you think Kennys outperforms him in csgo?
2018-02-11 03:40
Happy has fit himself in all possible roles with still a consistent delivery covered with high class leading ever since CS:GO was out. I think it's pretty obvious.
2018-02-11 03:41
#171
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Happy since 2015 is dogshit, his igl style isnt clicking anymore, he puts himself up as a star and is too stubborn to change. Look up Kennys reflections with thorin, and youve got a few shox inerviews to clear that up for you. Happy deserves lower than shox amd kenny. Shox deserves top 7 atleast, youre very wrong on his placing.
2018-02-11 04:37
The fact of his capabilities and achievements tell a different story and Happy was a Major champion and a Major finalist in 2015, being the second best player on the team and top 3-4 finish at the first Major of the year (where shox was still playing averagely). Since he got kicked there was an obvious improvement. It's not deniable, Happy is the best french player in this game. With what he can do and what he has done, it's out of argument.
2018-02-11 05:04
#173
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United States Sea_Of_Tea 
>2.flusha Stopped reading because the list is obviously a joke.
2018-02-11 04:46
It isn't. flusha is extremely consistent and intelligent player with positive rating most of the time. Major MVP, as well as of many other tourneys being around since the very beginning till the end. Of course he is #2, could even be the first.
2018-02-11 05:05
#178
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Bulgaria _Hattrick_ 
+1 cold should be 1st/2nd since TOP 1 for two years
2018-02-11 13:52
+1, he should be #3
2018-02-13 15:56
Snax ans device better than niko?I think not
2018-02-11 17:13
It's not a 2015-2017 list, wrong thread fella.
2018-02-13 15:43
Didn't see on what the list was based upon, i m a typical HLTV member so i just complain. But now yes i def agree that snax and device are > niko on this thread :)
2018-02-13 15:44
I advice you to read the description of the thread again. The list is based on 2C (Capability, consistency). Within 2013-2017 period! You're better than an average user.
2018-02-13 15:49
After posting my original reply i read it whole
2018-02-13 16:57
So what's changed? What do you think?
2018-02-13 16:58
#201 "But now yes i def agree that snax and device are > niko on this thread :)"
2018-02-13 17:01
Alright. Have fun.
2018-02-13 17:04
#182
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Brazil lucasptwd 
FalleN in history were better than dev1ce and Niko... and where is fnx?
2018-02-11 17:14
#224
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Czech Republic davskal 
FalleN in history were better than dev1ce and Niko... and where is fnx?
2018-02-13 16:07
#9 happy get the fuck outto here
2018-02-11 17:20
You're not being asked. You come to see, not to give your opinion. Don't like it? Don't comment.
2018-02-13 15:26
stopped reading at #1 gtr
2018-02-13 15:28
#191
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World _EpiC_ 
did you use and rating stats from hltv or its from your butthole?
2018-02-13 15:37
A little piece of everything but mostly from my mind.
2018-02-13 15:42
#196
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World _EpiC_ 
use stats instead then it will make sense nt
2018-02-13 15:42
Stats is a quarter of the matter, they're important but not everything. Have your own mind and think for yourself.
2018-02-13 15:44
#200
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World _EpiC_ 
mind can be biased, numbers wont
2018-02-13 15:44
Actual knowledge is the most accurate way of rating, numbers have a big gap from luck to bad luck.
2018-02-13 15:47
#205
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World _EpiC_ 
lul >luck >mathematics
2018-02-13 15:47
- Dealing 99 damage and witnessing how your teammate finishing the enemy and gets the frag point. Rushing with the Glock in full eco and hitting just one shot and getting 1-2 kills by lucky timing. A contless of similar happenings more throughout the years. - Mathematics. Talking to you in your retarded language.
2018-02-13 15:52
#211
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World _EpiC_ 
lol 2013-2018 is a wide range of matches / maps / rounds to account for things like that. Quality will show over 5 year span. It's not like you're trying to rank players after one best-of-three match. Mathematics
2018-02-13 15:54
The longer timespan, the more points will be faked. And even though, rating and stats is just one thing to determine the placings but not the only. Read the description again.
2018-02-13 16:00
#216
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World _EpiC_ 
you have no clue about statistics, never go full retard
2018-02-13 15:58
Unexpected reply. I thought you were smart. I explained you my point about statistics and even added up the obvious explaination that stats is not the only way of determining.
2018-02-13 16:02
#230
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World _EpiC_ 
It's the only way mate. Especially when you take 5 years into consideration and you might remember 2-3 matches instead of 2000.
2018-02-13 16:11
Turn on your humane feelings and abilities to ponder and analyse. I don't believe that you rely on others without thinking for yourself.
2018-02-13 16:17
You don't help yourself at all.
2018-02-13 16:26
finally someone gives credit to the god of this game SENOR VAC
2018-02-13 15:42
One of the best Swedish players this game has seen (better than olof).
2018-02-13 15:44
#208
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Norway anMu 
Olofmeister > REST IRRELEVANT Plus brazilians have nothing to do on this list since it’s 2013-2017 list and they are on scene how long? Barely 2 years?
2018-02-13 15:52
3 years as of now. And olofmeister is not even top three. He was extremely good but nothing special and it didn't last long.
2018-02-13 15:54
#300
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Norway anMu 
First of all about 3 year thing. He was clearly best until his injury in march/april 2016 so it's not even 2 years yet. Second. Nothing special LOL??? He was best player for 1,5 year that's maybe not the longest period of time but you have to consider and give him credit how much better he was compared to other top pro players at his prime, there was no competition, he was THE best player out of all best players in their eras. 2015-early 2016 olof's peek was just out of this world (Only one comparable would be kennys late 2014/early 2015 but short term cause of awp nerf). He was consistently cracking bombsites open by himself with multi kills iconic examples cobble plato and main entrance on train which is literally called olof by him. He went first very often and still had best stats out of all players he didn't need to fucking bait and ecofrag hunt all the time as coldzera is doing or gtr who was playing more laid back role and stayed alive as last member most of a time. Olof was true and only one perfect player who had no weaknesses which is fact and proof of it is if you look at his stats in 2015 he was the only player above average in kills, assists, deaths, rifles, AWPing, pistols, clutches, opening kills per round, big performance in big games, and best at consistency as well throughout all year, he was good at literally everything in the game, no player did that in history of whole csgo and I think it's save to say no one will ever do (probably). Imo only thing that stopped him was wrist injury from which he sadly never fully recovered.
2018-02-14 05:32
Enough fairy tales with his miracle injuries. I can't see him laying in bed disabled, not an excuse. 3 years reply was to your question how long are they in the scene, 3 years already as of now. Your biased view on his persona won't let you rate him objectively, he was good at his time but nothing outstanding. Many other players used to play like he did and whether an injury or not but now I can't see him reigning, killing everyone on his own. flusha though, is as good as he was ever since he's in the game. No excuses, no droppings in form. Just slowly but surely on to his goal through all the suspicious minds. Now he's not capable of doing what he did, even if at least the half of that is true, he truly deserved his #4 placing. Godlike player, will be remembered.
2018-02-14 06:22
how is this fat lesbian boltz on that list?
2018-02-13 15:57
Ever since he appeared along with the other Brazilians, he was on the spotlight.
2018-02-13 15:58
he wasnt even in the top20 yet so how can he be in the top25 overall? above players like adren rain dosia etc or pasha over guardian shox forest jw etc
2018-02-13 16:09
The list is based on 2C, not just stats or flashy plays. Read the description.
2018-02-13 16:12
yeah and iam not talking about stats either? boltz isnt even in the top50 overall
2018-02-13 16:13
You haven't read it, have you... He has a high capability, he's very talented and gifted for this game. He CAN play very good, that's what the Capability stands for. He was also consistent throughout years.
2018-02-13 16:19
GuardiaN should be way higher, this just makes you look like you dont know much about cs at all, sorry. Or for example Rain, he has been a top quality player for so much longer than someone like boltz, nitro etc. And Tarik's peak performance is in cloud9, not optic. Overall not a bad list but not good either, a solid 4/10.
2018-02-13 16:01
His breakout was back in OpTic Gaming and he was just as good then. GuardiaN played this prolific at times, he wasn't always consistent.
2018-02-13 16:02
You said you put a team of player's peak performance/breakout. So in that case Cloud9 fits tarik way better than optic in this list. And i disagree with GuardiaN. He has been much more consistent (and for a long time also, much longer than fer) than someone like pasha, happy etc..) As I said before, not a bad list but not good either. It's little bit worse than better but I'll give you a solid 4/10 for that.
2018-02-13 16:06
I don't ask for your opinion, firstly. If you've read the description, I clearly wrote "peak-performances/breakouts while playing for those" and considering tarik's career, he was equally good in both OpTic and C9 but his breakout happened when he was green so it was a higher priority, secondly. The list is based on 2C, check it out, not just stats and flashy plays, thirdly.
2018-02-13 16:09
Its harder to manage a positive rating over a long period of time than over a short period of time (newcomers like fer boltz etc). So that should put guardian so much higher. Also, if you dont ask for my opinion (too butthurt i guess), then why posting it here? Show that list to yourself in a mirror so you can be proud of yourself.
2018-02-13 16:12
I post it to show everyone my view on it, not to be rated by anyone. If you don't care or disagree, don't bother commenting, just disappear. Check out what this list is based on once again.
2018-02-13 16:15
The definition of forum : "a place on the internet where people can leave messages or discuss particular subjects with other people at the same time" You're on a forum, if you post something in here, expect it to be rated by different people with different kind of approach to the topic. So far I haven't seen anyone who would agree with you on that list, so I'm lowering my rating of this "well, atleast you tried" list to 3/10. Don't even bother replying if you're going to be such a butthurt about it, have a nice day.
2018-02-13 16:18
You can post anything you want, but your rating will pass on unnoticed. I'm sharing, not offering. Whether it's a forum or private messages, basic humane behavior should whisper you how to handle situations when you feel mad but not knowing how to react. Had you been rated 10 / 10, it would be the same. It's not a thread for rating.
2018-02-13 16:24
If it will pass unnoticed then why you even bother replying? I don't care, you know? I just left my rating in here but i dont care about your feedback to my rating at all, so why telling me all this? That's absurd, for real.
2018-02-13 16:28
To bring awareness that your typings are not appreciated and you better listen to the one who holds the point.
2018-02-13 16:28
#241
2018-02-13 16:48
The second sentence from the bottom. #244.
2018-02-13 16:49
I won't bother reading that, thanks for your time.
2018-02-13 16:50
pasha is no way a top10 player of all time in CSGO Guardian should definetly be in the top10 Move down Niko to 9th and move Fallen or Happy to his spot
2018-02-13 16:05
The list is based on 2C, not just stats or flashy plays.
2018-02-13 16:10
#223
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Czech Republic davskal 
yea no way forest is below pasha, happy, niko and snax No way.
2018-02-13 16:06
My list doesn't grasp the 1.6 years, so he's at the right place.
2018-02-13 16:11
#243
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Czech Republic davskal 
Doubt that really, he was the fer of the super successful nip roster and didn't actually dip so much skillwise like his colleagues. He was carrying when they won the 3 big titles in 2016, which were actual upsets.
2018-02-13 16:27
That's why he's at #12 and not lower. CS:GO is rich on young talents yearning to overtake.
2018-02-13 16:32
#247
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Czech Republic davskal 
I will not argue with you any further, because you used the word yearning. I can't win this fight ever now.
2018-02-13 16:32
Maybe it's not much of a mistep since I've never lost it. But I believe it's alright.
2018-02-13 16:34
no STYKO, nice bait.
2018-02-13 16:13
#253
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Sweden mixmixmartin 
How ppl can fall for this bait? for real lmao gj 3 / 8 b8 tho
2018-02-13 16:38
It's not a bait, don't be so thin minded.
2018-02-13 16:50
#256
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Romania rainGODtop1 
Poshol nakhuy daun yebanyy yebal toyu blyat sem'yu pidoraso CYKA BLYAT
2018-02-13 16:49
The torture is coming for ya.
2018-02-13 16:51
#261
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Romania rainGODtop1 
Nt pedo
2018-02-13 16:51
The last time. Prove it to me.
2018-02-13 16:53
#264
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Romania rainGODtop1 
no need to proof /closed/cya
2018-02-13 16:53
Vomitting kid. I hope you get ill, disgusting liar.
2018-02-13 16:54
#266
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Romania rainGODtop1 
reported
2018-02-13 16:54
jw nitro tarik pasha happy boltz too high kennys rain guardian too low otherwise it is fine even though i dont agree with gtr it is too hard to name a number 1
2018-02-14 05:10
Either him or flusha, the second one was around ever since and never dropped in form.
2018-02-14 05:15
you cant say flusha never dropped in form though he was pretty damn bad all last year but not like gtr has been any better
2018-02-14 05:17
He was playing his role just fine and was the reason of his team winning a countless times. It's no denying about his abilities.
2018-02-14 05:18
his team won nothing last year though and he was terrible along with krimz and dennis
2018-02-14 05:40
Trophies are the least important aspect in my rating and he was playing as good as his mates, no droppings in form. It was the time.
2018-02-14 06:23
Shox below happy wait WHAT?
2018-02-14 05:15
Yeah, Happy is more capable of having a great impact than shox, he was able to handle any role this game can offer and still is.
2018-02-14 05:16
1. Ever watched 2013-2014? 2. They Have similar roles now both are IGL and e can see who’s better. Shox is one of greatest of all time he can’t be possibly 11th. But I respect ur opinion , this list is close to truth
2018-02-14 05:18
I tend to think his flashy plays throughout the time have made your mind, think for yourself, not just stats but his capability and consistency is not that high. Still he's at the good placing.
2018-02-14 05:19
I can’t even remember most of Shox plays but i surely know the happy ace ahahaha. But why Tarik>rain?
2018-02-14 05:20
Because his breakout was unbelievable. He burst the stars out back in OpTic Gaming, he holds his words and he showed his real capability along with ability of fitting any role and he's still going strong ever since.
2018-02-14 05:22
#306
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United States b7a 
I think Happy is too high and shox is too low, as the latter had a higher peak than the former.
2018-02-14 05:44
I have to disagree, what do you mean by 'peak' in the first place? His flashy plays may have made your mind, fella. Happy's peak was when he could be the sniper, the rifler, carry, lurker meanwhile being the IGL, top-fragging most of the time. That's what I call peak-performance.
2018-02-14 06:26
S1mple team liquid? Or now in navi? Top fragging every game. Not butthurt btw nice list
2018-02-14 07:22
He could have been higher but he has some problems with pressure control and consistency. But his individual skill is among the best.
2018-02-14 07:23
nitro wtf
2018-02-14 07:28
looked at the position of nitr0, tarik, kennyS
2018-02-14 07:36
Nitr0 shouldn't be anywhere near this list. Elige has been way better imo.
2018-02-14 07:37
Is a honorable mention. Up there with Hiko in Top 30.
2018-02-14 07:54
Not really. He's not done anything in years apart from playing well at cs_summit 2. Is this really from 2013?
2018-02-14 07:56
He was around with those iBP mess-arounds, wasn't he? Ever since he kept improving to the point that he was capable of being the top-fragger, leader and the sniper of the team. Since 2016, he's doing alright on top level.
2018-02-14 07:57
#358
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Macedonia AstralisGoat 
Nitro has never been in the top 20, Elige was top 12 last year. Another thing if your list was actually ranked statistically by the categories you've chosen it wouldn't look anything like this. Better way to put this thread is these were selected by your opinion, you are misleading when you put that in the op.
2018-02-20 10:11
I don't care about HLTV's rankings and top lists placings. Read the description and learn what it's based on.
2018-02-25 04:42
Tarik optic gaming? Lmao
2018-02-14 08:01
His breakout was truly unbelievable. He gave a promise and held onto his words. Deserved a place afterwards!
2018-02-25 05:04
#343
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
> Titles/year > GeT_RiGhT Pick one.
2018-02-20 02:40
Did you pay attention to the other clauses?
2018-02-25 05:05
17. KRIMZ (Fnatic) SWE Capability (Individual skill, peak-form performance, pressure control), Consistency (Top finishes, positive rating on average, titles per year/overall). lmao retard.
2018-02-20 02:55
Explain. Even though I'm more than sure it won't be satisfying, I will cut it short by saying you're not being asked. Enjoy the placings or get yourself another thread to cry on.
2018-02-25 05:06
jovik listen,ur list is overall good but there are some fuck1n obvious mistakes.just admit.i hate u bringing irrelevant shit to prove a point and defending some stupid shit,cause you have sick potential.
2018-02-20 03:43
Tell me more.
2018-02-25 05:06
#353
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Brazil hugoooo 
LMAO How is NiKo ahead of FalleN, overall?
2018-02-20 03:46
His capability is slight above FalleN's even though he hasn't got as much titles but his talent in game amazes. We'll see in the future.
2018-02-25 05:07
19. s1mple (HellRaisers) UKR,25. rain (FaZe Clan).....ok.
2018-02-20 03:52
One of the best individually skilled players but not as great to put himself in the position to win games with his team.
2018-02-25 05:07
Fnx should be, instead boltz or nitr0
2018-02-20 15:00
Good list
2018-02-20 16:09
One of a very few who said that.
2018-02-25 13:28
NiKo 7 I loled so hard.
2018-02-20 16:11
#367
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France Leskines 
what a shit list MY GOD
2018-02-20 16:11
Bad list tbh
2018-02-25 04:46
You're allowed to disagree but you should remember that I don't ask for your opinion, I just share it with you to stare at and learn a different point of view. I don't care whether you liked it or not.
2018-02-25 05:08
#372
kennyS | 
Denmark dank12 
Shit list
2018-02-25 04:47
I disagree on a lot of placements but Niko above all, he's way too high on that list.
2018-02-25 05:03
#381
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World Asqueer 
Maybe ScreaM in EPSILON KINGUIN TITAN G2 NV.
2018-02-25 05:10
Very close!
2018-02-25 05:11
#385
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Sweden laffminoduve 
good list
2018-02-25 20:52
Thank you.
2018-02-26 01:06
device 6 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk didnt even play in 2013 and 2014 choked dicks in 2015 and 2016 get fucking carried on 2017 majors GG list is shit
2018-02-25 21:00
device made playoffs at each Major in 2014, one of which was the semifinals, he also got in top 20 the best players of that year and later on he was 3rd and close to top three ever since. One of the very best ever.
2018-02-26 01:08
stopped reading at pasha and get right
2018-02-26 01:09
-Tarik +Rush
2018-02-27 02:38
tarik has more impact on the teams he played since his breakout, RUSH is just an awesome rifler and teammate.
2018-02-27 02:48
#393
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Canada Gumpypoo 
maybe prime scream over boltz and swag ibp over tarik optic
2018-02-27 02:43
Maybe but the list is made. But swag wouldn't be there for sure.
2018-02-27 02:49
#397
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Canada Gumpypoo 
swag in 2014 imo is better than 2017 tarik
2018-02-27 02:59
But swag in 2015-16-17 isn't better than anyone from the list. tarik had a great breakout and proved to have a big impact on the team.
2018-02-27 03:00
#399
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China Yao_Ming 
stopped reading at pasha #10
2018-02-27 03:02
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