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Tier 1-3
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
This is just my opinion I set it up where there is no order between the tiers. It's set up so tier 2 could upset tier 1 but tier 3 couldn't. Tier 1 Sk Cloud9 FaZe Tier2 Fnatic G2 Mouz Astralis Liquid Na'vi NiP Tier 3 Gambit North Heroic Vega VP Renegades Space Soldiers
2018-02-13 02:18
#1
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Belgium n1ckst4r2002 
TIER 1 = SK Tier 2 rest of top 10 TIER 3 all Nuclear Waste below
2018-02-13 02:19
#3
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
flair checks out. c9 and faze are just as good as sk right now.
2018-02-13 02:20
#5
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Belgium n1ckst4r2002 
...this is why i am a godo baiter cuz people like you can't tell teh difference
2018-02-13 02:20
#11
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
well have fun baiting people!
2018-02-13 02:23
#14
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Montenegro G1EX 
+1 Sometimes the simplest baits are the best
2018-02-13 02:25
#33
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United States Topunderscore 
Good baiters don’t admit to baiting, you’re shit
2018-02-13 02:58
+1 faking bish noob batier
2018-02-13 02:59
#36
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Belgium n1ckst4r2002 
nah i had to break it to him or he will continue to live in his own bubble. The key to being a good baiter is to be known as a baiter but still bait people anyways
2018-02-13 03:06
#37
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United States Topunderscore 
No I’m sorry, please hand over your hltv card
2018-02-13 15:02
#51
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Hungary Shaperz 
he is actually right, if everyone know what you do but you can still surprise people, you're pretty succesful at what you do
2018-02-13 21:17
#135
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China ariel439 
nt Thorin
2018-02-14 10:10
nt Thorin
2018-02-15 05:59
if there is no way to tell the difference, are you really baiting or just being your retarded self?
2018-02-15 23:23
#66
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Germany Mauschel 
IMO is Cloud 9 better then SK at the moment. They won a bo3 against them twice now.
2018-02-14 00:30
+1 but the streak is ending and things are going back to normal. And BIG is back!
2018-02-14 01:47
Trolling or whats up haha big is back hahah
2018-02-14 09:56
this is BIG fans having a conversation at least we aren't afraid to show pride mr no country
2018-02-14 12:29
sorry cant split my flag into croatian/spanish Mr. canada nt tho bugsupporter hahaha
2018-02-14 13:30
yes I cannot split my flag into USA/Canada but I am here on visa. I apologize for making fun of your flag. making fun of people based on flag, or team they support is for petty losers. p.s. your not supposed to laugh at your own jokes, especially ones that arent even funny LOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHA im an idiot HAHAHAHAHA
2018-02-14 17:08
Mainly b/c SK is slumping and C9 is hot, if C9 turns out to be better than SK in the long run i will be suprised. IMHO these are the tiers: Tier 1: SK, FaZe C9 in gap between Tier 1 & 2, could go up/down depending on more results Tier 2: Fnatic, mouz, G2, Astralis, Na'Vi (could be C9 level if they get consistent,) Liquid, potentially NiP if dennis works out Tier 3: Gambit, Heroic, North, SS, RNG, VP (could move up to low T2/high T3 if MICHU is good), HR, Renegades, AGO, Envy, maybe AVANGAR and QBF if they can keep up the form
2018-02-15 08:03
FaZe -> C9 -> SK <- G2
2018-02-14 09:58
#97
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Portugal kippster 
0/88888
2018-02-14 05:18
#109
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Sweden DevY^ 
kkkkkkkkkkkk
2018-02-14 08:48
#142
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Europe poopflash 
0 cs brain 0/8
2018-02-14 13:04
#162
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Bulgaria HattirckCSGO 
+1111111111111111111111111111111111
2018-02-14 17:10
seems good
2018-02-13 02:20
name doesnt checks out
2018-02-13 22:29
Envyus?
2018-02-13 02:20
#7
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
OH fuck i forgot. I would consider them t3 for sure.
2018-02-13 02:21
and hellraisers :)
2018-02-13 02:22
#10
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
True!
2018-02-13 02:23
#49
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Netherlands YourT 
big?
2018-02-13 21:15
Tier 5 atm, sry bro they literally havent done anything since the legend status at PGL abusing bug and playing only one map, and they just picked up no namers
2018-02-13 22:30
#187
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Brazil C9_ERA 
C9 still tier 2 Nvy HR avangar tier 3 Optic clg kinguin luminosity godsent tier 4 O think NiP is tier 3 right nos, buy they have potential tô tiver 2 because of dennis
2018-02-15 07:55
Imo its like this: tier 1 : SK - Faze - C9 - G2 T2 : astralis - liquid - mouz - fnatic T3 : all the others u mentioned.
2018-02-13 02:21
#9
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
I like it. IMO G2 is not as good as SK FaZe and C9. I also think Na'Vi should be tier 2.
2018-02-13 02:22
Thats not how i define tiers.. Heres my method : Tier 1 are the ones u expect to win tournaments now. Ofc C9 - SK and faze are the top3 atm but i wouldnt be suprised if g2 wins any of them. Now tier2 are the ones that they lack a little bit to win touraments but they can UPSET. They will msot likely loose 80-70% of their matches vs the T1 and they can also grow and become t1 themselfs and imo the only teams i see doing this are the ones i mentioned. T3 and the ones that will upset some bo1s, maybe some bo3s but will prob NEVER win a tournament since they wont win multiple bo3 vs t1-2.
2018-02-13 02:25
#17
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
I see, I like that method. I do agree with you that G2 could definetly win some tournaments and probably at the top of tier 2 for me. I guess I was looking at how they play versus certain teams compared to what they achieve.
2018-02-13 02:27
I agree on the method but G2 is T2 because of consistency They are still topT2, not far from tier 1 if they got a good period.
2018-02-13 15:11
#16
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Belgium n1ckst4r2002 
Sk is not tier 1 anymore, they have fallen flat on their face... need to regain their form. Liquid only t2 event, not enough for t1 and FAZE no tournaments since Major choke, C9 clear tier 1
2018-02-13 02:26
no1 falls for ur bait anymore m8 xDdDddd
2018-02-13 02:27
#22
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Belgium n1ckst4r2002 
you obviously did cuz this was a dead serious statement, jesus you can't tell the difference between a lowtier bait, a top notch Thorianian trap and a simple truthful observation. One day you will young padawan
2018-02-13 02:28
nt
2018-02-13 02:29
#50
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Netherlands YourT 
this is just fkn hilarious
2018-02-13 21:17
#93
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Finland jakem0n 
That guy is just lonely kid. Annoying lonely attention seeker.
2018-02-14 04:59
#74
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Germany Xirif 
fnatic t2 OmegaLUL
2018-02-14 01:58
ye fnatic should be t1
2018-02-14 13:02
#143
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Germany Xirif 
Omg the brain dead guy again OmegaLUL
2018-02-14 13:04
<3 nex and can only end sentences with OmegaLUL not even global btw kick this nob
2018-02-14 13:07
#146
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Germany Xirif 
Nt 14y/o Close to deranking to LE btw OmegaLUL
2018-02-14 13:12
jokes on you i topfragged an lem game
2018-02-14 13:18
gambit t2 for surely
2018-02-13 02:25
#21
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Definitely at the top of tier 3 for me. I just haven't seen them look to good recently.
2018-02-13 02:28
#150
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Germany Sentani1 
yeah its sad, one day they can win against every team in the world, and the other day they loose to some t5 teams that arent in the top50.
2018-02-14 13:22
#15
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Denmark oskarsports 
ye c9 is tier 1 because they won their first international event, Gambit is tier 1 as well btw
2018-02-13 02:26
#20
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Canada PyroOOF 
Gambit is not tier 1 lmao They haven't done anything relevant since Malmo.
2018-02-13 02:28
Here we go, another ricegum fangay using the word relevant in the wrong way :facepalm: .
2018-02-13 21:21
#23
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Yeah, I dont think Gambit is better than any of the tier 1 teams or tier 2 teams i mentioned.
2018-02-13 02:29
#56
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Argentina Renardo 
Sadly i don't think gambit is a t1 team, maybe T2...
2018-02-13 21:26
#57
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Denmark oskarsports 
Was a joke because he said c9 is t1 because they won the major^
2018-02-13 22:24
#58
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Argentina Renardo 
oh, i get it now :P
2018-02-13 22:26
#75
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
I would have listed Gambit as tier 1 if I wrote this thread right after they won the major :P. But they haven't done anything impressive in a long while.
2018-02-14 03:35
#181
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Kazakhstan Duka 
Like nip during last two years, but they tier2 kek
2018-02-15 06:35
Sounds about right. Although Vega proved in summit that the major was a fluke so they might not even be on par with tier 3.
2018-02-13 02:27
#25
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Agreed, Maybe avangar will replace them soon.
2018-02-13 02:31
Possibly. They haven't played too many t1-2 teams since but they still show promise. Renegades will most likely also drop out of contention after losing NAF.
2018-02-13 02:58
Tier one should be more inclusive to have more of the teams you have listed in tier two and then the list for tier three should be the list for tier two. When someone thinks of tier three, they think of a team that isn't good enough to compete in tier one or two international tournaments.
2018-02-13 02:32
#27
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
I see. I consider all of these teams able to compete at a very high level.
2018-02-13 02:34
#28
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United States BaguetteArmy 
Now that c9 won major there tier 1 now and more fans are arising lolz
2018-02-13 02:40
NIP should be tier 3 imo.
2018-02-13 02:45
Tier 1 - Top 15 Tier 2 - 16-30 Tier 3 - 30-50 Tier 4 - Everything under that
2018-02-13 02:50
#41
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Sweden CISfan[Guy] 
+1
2018-02-13 15:12
Tier 1 - Top 3-5 Tier 2 - 5-10 Tier 3 - 10-30 Tier 4 - Everyone else
2018-02-13 15:14
So top 5 is tier 1 and 2 at the same time? And top 10 is both tier 2 and 3 NA BRAIN LUL
2018-02-13 21:22
Silly swedish fish, the numbers are malleable silly. They can be changed one way or another
2018-02-14 04:49
So we got 5 teams in tier 1 and we got 5 teams in tier 2 but suddenly 20 teams are in a tier 3 :DD so you just didnt play a few tournaments you dropped from 7th place to 11th or 12th and you are considered tier 3? cmon man teams from the top 15 are having 5x times bigger upset potential against the top 3 teams than anyone from the rest of the teams like top 30 or less so when you match tiers you need to consider how big of a chance is that the team can beat another team and in the top 10 righ now anything can happen ofc we do have the top teams in SK and Faze but you can see Nip beating them in Oakland mousesports almost beating faze in ECS finals c9 beating Faze and Sk to win a major and C9 were ranked like 8th before the major so by your logic major was won by tier 2 team is that alright?
2018-02-14 09:22
#63
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Slovakia VladO.  
+1, seems right, although imo there's a bit more tier 3 teams that are similar skillwise, not only 20 of em
2018-02-13 22:46
+1 gotta love all the people when they rank tiers like tier 1 is 1-3 tier 2 is 4-9,10 tier 3 is like 10-16
2018-02-14 09:15
+1 this kinda pisses me off
2018-02-14 09:55
-1 the only tier 1 team is cloud9 rest are tier 3 trash including sk and faze
2018-02-13 02:53
#61
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Denmark Enggaard 
Nice b8
2018-02-13 22:33
#34
Australia anxy 
Na'Vi tier 2? Top zozzle
2018-02-13 02:58
#44
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
They aren't better than anyone in tier 1
2018-02-13 21:05
#45
Australia anxy 
They aren't better than anyone in tier 2 either is my point
2018-02-13 21:10
#76
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
oh i see, lmao.
2018-02-14 03:37
Gambit tier 1 because Dosia sex god
2018-02-13 15:07
Envyus is tier 2 now
2018-02-13 15:08
#43
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United States peps1mouz 
Gambit is so high on this list because all the tournaments they have been to the past few months "besides majors" Are tier 3 events
2018-02-13 15:16
#151
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Germany Sentani1 
i agree with gambit being shit atm but why u say they are high ranked? he ranked them at t3 which they are atm. vp doenst deserve t3 atm.
2018-02-14 13:24
#46
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United States Izula 
Tier 1 SK Cloud 9 Faze Tier 2 Fnatic Mouz G2 Astralis Liquid Natus Vincere Ninjas in Pyjamas Tier 3 Gambit North (moving up) Heroic Vega VP Renegades Space Soldiers
2018-02-13 21:12
Top 10 - tier 1 idiots
2018-02-13 21:14
#48
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Other StraightEdge 
T1 faze sk T2 c9 g2 fnatic mouz nip astralis liquid navi rest t3 and t4
2018-02-13 21:14
so every tournament is tier 2 tournament cuz only 2 teams are tier 1 and the rest is tier 2 :DDD please realize that Tier 1 is top 10 Tier 2 is top 20 Tier 3 and 4 the rest
2018-02-14 09:26
#52
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Poland KasPro 
nah
2018-02-13 21:18
Feel like all the team in the top 10 can beat one another honestly. Some just more dominant. And I think SK and Faze are the only two dominant teams atm. C9 could be maybe in that group, but time will tell.
2018-02-13 21:25
Tier S: FaZe SK Clown9 (prob not for long tho) Tier 1: Fnatic Mouz NIP Liquid astralis g2 navi (bottom) tier 2 Renegods SS North Gambit Heroic
2018-02-13 22:33
#64
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Slovakia VladO.  
Tier 1 Tier 1.5* Tier 2* here, fixed it for u
2018-02-13 22:47
#65
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Japan ToshikoSatoru 
+1 I like this, Good for betting rule.
2018-02-14 00:27
Tier 1 SK Astralis Cloud9 G2 Tier2 Fnatic G2 Mouz Astralis Liquid Na'vi NiP FaZe Tier 3 Gambit North Heroic Vega VP Renegades Space Soldiers
2018-02-14 00:31
#110
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Sweden Lev1troN 
Astralis at major LUL
2018-02-14 09:00
Hellraisers and LG should be in T3
2018-02-15 06:00
c9 have 2 weeks of good form and you regard them in the same tier as teams that have held good form for months on end? laughing
2018-02-14 01:48
More like months of consistent top 4 finishes Tier 1 for sure
2018-02-14 01:54
#77
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
They were doing great for 6 months before that 2 weeks of good form. They were definitely tier 2. After Major win and firm 2nd place at Summit they are now low tier 1.
2018-02-14 03:39
#70
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Brazil KingOfNothing 
Yea, good ranking
2018-02-14 01:49
TIER1: Sk G2 Cloud9 Faze Astralis TIER2: Fnatic Navi Gambit Liquid Mouz TIER 2.5: Nip North Vega Envyus VP TIER3 HellRaisers/Heroic/Space Soldiers/BIG/Sprout/
2018-02-14 01:58
#73
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Brazil SK_SENSUS 
C9 is a one month tier 1 team like every year!!! LUL
2018-02-14 01:58
#78
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
:( Can't argue with that one. They've always managed to slip them self in with the best for only a short period of time. (Seangares c9 fnatic run, c9 esl brazil finals, boston major). Hopefully this time they can hold onto it.
2018-02-14 03:41
Tier1: FaZe C9 Tier2: SK Astralis G2 The rest..
2018-02-14 03:41
#80
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Canada Herodionus 
Ast t2 xD Whats that make faze? T3?
2018-02-14 03:49
Tier1: FaZe C9 Cant you read dumb
2018-02-14 03:50
#82
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Canada Herodionus 
Ast 2-0 faze Head to head Ast 15 Faze 14 Faze t3
2018-02-14 03:52
Astralis top1 confirmed
2018-02-14 03:53
#84
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Canada Herodionus 
Honestly t1 is faze, sk, ast, c9, and g2
2018-02-14 03:54
Tier1: FaZe C9 Tier2: SK Astralis G2 The rest..
2018-02-14 03:55
#87
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Canada Herodionus 
Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
2018-02-14 03:59
Damn boi u slow
2018-02-14 04:00
#88
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Astralis went out 1-3 at major. they haven't proved to be tier 1 yet. I wouldn't be suprised at all if they become tier 1 soon tho!
2018-02-14 04:00
Never said they tier1
2018-02-14 04:01
#91
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Canada Herodionus 
Havent proven t1? Theyve been top 5 in cs since TSM, always consistant, its C9 you could say havent proven t1 yet
2018-02-14 04:02
SK > FaZe Cloud9 > FaZe Astralis >FaZe NaVi > FaZe
2018-02-15 09:09
#191
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Denmark SuperstituM 
nt, but FaZe is the best team in the world atm
2018-02-15 13:05
#111
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Sweden Lev1troN 
Online? Who cares lmao do you thi k astralis is better now LUL
2018-02-14 09:01
#112
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Canada Herodionus 
Most werent online
2018-02-14 09:01
#113
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Sweden Lev1troN 
I think last time they met was at ELEAGUE Premier final and FaZe raped them
2018-02-14 09:04
#114
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Canada Herodionus 
Nope, there was epicenter
2018-02-14 09:05
#124
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Sweden Lev1troN 
I meant last lan, that was online qualifier
2018-02-14 09:37
#126
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Canada Herodionus 
That was lan...
2018-02-14 09:43
#132
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Sweden Lev1troN 
2018-02-14 10:08
#86
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Alright, I modified my Tiers according to the replies. They are arranged so that tier 4 could upset tier 3, but not tier 2. Tier 3 could upset tier 2, but not tier 1 etc... I added a 4th tier because I could I also am ordering them for betting, I will add a asterisk* next to some teams because i PERSONALLY wouldn't/would want to bet on them(will add explanations) Tier 1 Sk Cloud9*(Wouldn't bet on against tier 1's and only maybe against some tier 2's, because they aren't a solid tier 1 team they could just be a fluke. ) FaZe Tier2 Fnatic G2 Mouz Astralis Liquid*(Wouldn't bet on because cs_summit might be a fluke. wait for them to prove) Na'vi NiP*(Would bet on against other tier 2's because they just changed rosters and are looking to prove they are good) Tier 3 Gambit North Heroic*(Would bet on, looked very good recently) Vega*(Wouldn't bet on, Looked bad at cs_summit, could easily drop to tier 4 soon) VP Renegades EnVyUs*(Would bet on, experienced roster that are adding a great player and are looking to prove) Space Soldiers Hellraisers Tier 4 QB.Fire Torqued AVANGAR*(Would bet on, Looked very good recently) NRG Ago Epsilon TyLoo Sprout Big Godsent*(Wouldn't bet on, look like they're on the way out) With all of the "Would/wouldn't bet on" It is important that the tiers are more important then what I said. Ex. I said I wouldn't bet on c9, but I obviously would if they were playing a tier 3 or 4 and for most tier 2's.
2018-02-14 03:58
#94
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Canada Herodionus 
Honestly astralis is still tier 1, 1 bad run at a major doesnt immediately drop them to t2, they literally proved that today
2018-02-14 04:59
haven't won anything since Katowice in March, have a lot of semifinals, but not much else. mid-tier 2 is a good place for them, they haven't shown anything to prove that they can hang with C9, FaZe, and SK any more than teams like G2 can
2018-02-15 07:49
by your stupid logic there are no tier 1 tournaments cuz for example we got starseries in a few days and there are only 3 tier 1 teams :DDD just fkin realise that there is a thing called top tier and those are the top 3 teams to beat c9 faze and sk this is the real ranking Tier 1 top 10 +/- Tier 2 top 20 +/- Tier 3 the rest any of these top 10 teams are able to beat the top 3 teams Astralis G2 Fnatic mousesports everyone has really great chance to beat those teams but cuzb they are not in the top 3 they are not tier 1 teams cmon man :D
2018-02-14 09:36
#176
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
I am not being inclusive, its to show the difference in skill between top tier teams.
2018-02-15 05:56
#95
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Russia ez4u 
If NiP and Na'Vi are tier2 then the rest teams of tier2 list should be placed as tier1. Btw most tier3 teams are way better than NiP and Na'Vi, so they should be placed as tier1 as well.
2018-02-14 05:09
NaVi semi finals at the major :) Nip making changes it was obvious they are gonna kick xizt when they released the mousepad and he has played with it at summit already so they might just went there to have fun adn it is the only tournament youve seen them play since the new year started
2018-02-14 09:30
#121
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Russia ez4u 
QBF is in quarters just like Mouz, also QBF beat mouz in the group stage. By ur logic we should put QBF to the list of tier2 teams then.
2018-02-14 09:34
interesting part is that the other teams were not able to beat QBF and NaVi just went thru them like nothing showing they are not having problems on LAN agains those teams even they are struggling online against teams like this they still have a fresh lineup with electronic and they can just suddenly go off and beat SK or Faze or C9 ofc it would be a surprise but their ods are 10x times better than anyones from tier 3 teams
2018-02-14 09:38
t1 top 10 teams t2 top 11-top 20 tier 3+ top21+
2018-02-14 05:16
#98
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India Yung_gupta 
where is envyus ??
2018-02-14 05:18
#99
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
#86
2018-02-14 05:20
#104
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India Yung_gupta 
Envyus t3 ???? Those shit you're talking about, are you sober? or is it just after you make love to your boyfriend?
2018-02-14 06:38
#105
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Envy didnt do anything good recenlty. They have good lineup now. I have high hopes.
2018-02-14 08:31
#107
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India Yung_gupta 
I have high hope too, top 5 inchallah haHAA
2018-02-14 08:45
Everyone who has a Major title is Tier 1 so FaZe is Tier 2.
2018-02-14 05:36
#101
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Canada Herodionus 
OOF
2018-02-14 05:38
#123
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Russia ez4u 
Yea, clowns, gambots, current NiP and VP are definitely tier1 lmfao.
2018-02-14 09:37
Renegades tier 0 because they are the best
2018-02-14 05:40
gambit def could upset t1 imo
2018-02-14 05:47
gambit t3 but fnatic, nip and liquid t2 OMEGALUL
2018-02-14 08:32
#108
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India Yung_gupta 
What did gambit do to deserve to be t2?
2018-02-14 08:46
#175
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Turkey coldboldold 
won a major maybe?
2018-02-15 05:56
#184
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India Yung_gupta 
Last year ? What did they do the last 6 month ?
2018-02-15 07:38
#192
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Turkey coldboldold 
what did fnatic and Nip in last couple years to be placed over Gambit?
2018-02-15 15:40
#193
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India Yung_gupta 
nip is bad and fnatic always go to the playoff of all tournament they were in (nip won a tournament in november 2017)
2018-02-15 17:54
#194
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India Yung_gupta 
hltv.org/stats/teams/events/6651/Gambit hltv.org/stats/teams/events/4411/NiP hltv.org/stats/teams/events/4991/fnatic both nip and fnatic have better placement than gambit and they play more t1 tournament :)
2018-02-15 17:56
#116
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Lithuania kazara 
Tiers are fucked, every team basically can beat every team.
2018-02-14 09:16
#119
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Kazakhstan pink_dildo 
Navi mouz nip t2 Gambit t3 LUL
2018-02-14 09:26
#127
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United States jay_320 
Top ten are all T1. I literally wouldn't be surprised if any of them beat any of them. Don't get me wrong I like pretty much everyone else would favor C9, SK and Faze the favorites but all the major and last event showed is that the field is wider then ever. SK's also slipped of late particularly to C9 even with the new line up so I'm thinking that they are vulnerable for some reason atm. C9 on the other hand has the Skadoodle bug. They need him consistently average at least to maintain their position. Or just let him rifle more because he's not half bad at it and they have two players that have in many ways surpassed him on an AWP. Astralis and Liquid look pretty promising as well. In fact if Astralis in particular can play to their potential they are downright scary I think for just about any team. Oh and NiP are overrated and I think done until they can replace their aging stars. Time to pull a C9 and go young. I know people joke about eras but I do think an era has past in the sense that a lot of the old Europeon greats are falling off.
2018-02-14 09:49
ok
2018-02-14 10:04
Tier 1 1-6 Tier 2 7-23 Tier 3, 4, 5, etc-the rest
2018-02-14 10:09
#134
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Germany VeryN1ceGay 
Only sk tier 1
2018-02-14 10:09
#136
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United Kingdom swellis 
Mouz tier 2 xaxaxa
2018-02-14 10:11
#137
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
Astralis tier 1, NIP tier 3, g2 maybe tier 3 too
2018-02-14 10:12
#138
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Poland Antonsnajper 
God tier SK/FAZE T1 cloud 9 fnatic astralis g2 .... maybe mousesport T2 navi gambit hellraisers liquid north T3 renegades space soldiers ago heroic vp vega nip avangar envyus T4 Big sprout godsent quantum tyloo THE REAL RANKING
2018-02-14 10:21
T1 - SK, C9, Faze, G2, Astralis T2- Mouz, fnatic, gambit, Liquid, Navi T3- North, VP, ss, renegades, ago, nip, hr and stuff
2018-02-14 11:06
#155
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Brazil Dynamo_ 
fnatic isn't tier 2...
2018-02-14 13:34
come with an argument not statement
2018-02-14 14:07
#158
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Brazil Dynamo_ 
hipócrita kkkk prntscr.com/ien8pj u said that with some argument??
2018-02-14 15:28
It is my statement so I don't have to show argument for every team I mentioned. But if you are gonna counter-claim me, you have to show me some arguments
2018-02-14 19:17
#165
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Brazil Dynamo_ 
i want a argument to undestand why skmouz, fnatic, astralis, g2 is tier2... prove it... or
2018-02-14 19:33
#145
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Netherlands ItsKBS 
to be tier 1 you need to be able to show consistent form of winning tournaments, c9 only won the major and couldnt even beat liquid. SK couldnt beat liquid too but they showed WAAAAY more than C9 did before that
2018-02-14 13:10
#195
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
cloud9 placed top 4 consistently throughout the months before the major. Liquid didn't even qualify for many of those events.
2018-02-15 22:56
#198
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Netherlands ItsKBS 
''consistently'' lmao
2018-02-15 23:09
#199
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
hltv.org/team/5752/cloud9 They have been consistently playing well in tier 1-2 tournaments. i expect them to do well at star series and katowice. IDK if they will win or anything. But if they keep top 4 atleast they will remain tier1-high tier 2
2018-02-15 23:14
#202
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Netherlands ItsKBS 
tier 1 = consistently winning tournaments
2018-02-15 23:21
#148
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United Kingdom Jobelspice 
nah t1-top 10-make deep runs in events regularly t2-top 15-25ish-qualify for big events and can occasionally upset t1 t3-lower than 25-not at big events
2018-02-14 13:20
Astralis Tier1
2018-02-14 13:20
#152
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Brazil Dynamo_ 
fnatic isn't tier2...
2018-02-14 13:29
#170
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
What would you consider them? IMO they are a great team and could be tier 1, but right now they cant compete with the tier 1 teams.
2018-02-15 05:51
Sk tier 2 tbh
2018-02-14 13:31
Wow dude, you've managed to put 17 teams from the top 20 in 3 different tiers. That's pretty damn retarded. I guess that any team lower than top 30 or those who play in national scenes don't even deserve a tier even tho they're getting payed and playing cs full time, am I right? Such ignorance towards the esports CS scene, jesus.
2018-02-14 14:05
#166
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
This is just that way i sorted it. I am not ignorant I was purposely focusing on the top 20ish teams. I could write a more inclusive tier list that would involve all of the other teams but I wanted to focus on specifically the higher ranked teams to give perspective on them. Because, often they are just grouped into the same tier when really they have extreme skill gaps.
2018-02-15 05:47
#172
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
If i wanted to be inclusive (I dont) I would list tier 1 - current + g2,astralis,fnatic tier 2- rest of teams on list tier 3- rest of teams in top 30 + spirit and teams that are just below top 30. BUT IMo this shows a much deeper approach to the top of the scene.
2018-02-15 05:53
#174
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Also, If you look at #86 I added alot of teams that are good into tier 4.
2018-02-15 05:55
Aight, that way it makes more sense. You should have been more explicit on the fact that you were specifically focusing on those teams not including the rest tho. Its a very discussable topic anyway.
2018-02-15 12:48
#159
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Ukraine minemax 
This Navi tier 2? Are you serious?
2018-02-14 15:47
#167
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Would you argue they are tier 1?\ *Note Na'Vi could win tournaments I am purposely not being inclusive to really demonstrate skill/team differences between the high level teams.
2018-02-15 05:49
#182
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Ukraine minemax 
No, they can not win anything with this lineup. They are tier 3 now.
2018-02-15 06:35
#196
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
I see, they played well at the major.
2018-02-15 22:57
#204
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Ukraine minemax 
They played OK. They will continue to play like that — will destroy weak teams and will always lose to the best ones. Maybe Navi will become tier 2 in future, but this lineup is doomed anyway.
2018-02-16 06:20
#161
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CIS Eruptor 
>Cloud9 wins 1 map out of 4 against Liquid >C9 belongs to T1 OMEGALUL
2018-02-14 17:09
#168
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Just right now. Liquid came out of nowhere with a new player. IMO any team that wins a major whilst beating all current top5 teams deserves to be considered tier 1 until they are proven to either not be tier 1. I suspect c9 will not be tier 1 very soon(hope they do tho)
2018-02-15 05:50
#164
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Brazil 99CO 
VP TIER 3???????????????? 0/8 vp tier 5 ...
2018-02-14 19:18
#169
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Yeah, they are absolutely on their way out if they keep playing like this.
2018-02-15 05:51
#171
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Turkey coldboldold 
I would put Hellraisers in t3.
2018-02-15 05:53
#173
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Yeah, #86 I added them to my updated tier list.
2018-02-15 05:54
T1 - SK, FAZE, C9 T2+ - ASTRALIS, MOUZ, G2 T2 - NAVI, LIQUID, FNATIC, NIP T3 - All EU EPL + RENEGADES, LG, TYLOO, AVANGAR, VEGA, and QBF Teams with T2 potential = New optic lineup and ex 100t players
2018-02-15 06:06
#180
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Brazil olocoxd 
agreed with almost everything, i just don't think renegades is tier3 without NAF, just saying.
2018-02-15 06:26
#197
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United States SpicyGrandpa 
Oh yeah, I could see them drop out of tier 3 really soon. They did pick up jkeam tho.
2018-02-15 22:58
Seized so bad
2018-02-15 06:57
#185
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Germany gigaTV0803 
Nip t2 nice b8
2018-02-15 07:41
a g r e e d
2018-02-15 23:16
#201
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Poland weo000 
idk but menelica wali cwiartke
2018-02-15 23:20
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