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Device, he is an exit fragger and stat padder, but people constantly saying he is a top 5 player. Even HLTV overrated him. He constantly has no impact whatsoever, dupreeh and xyp9x are both 10x the player he is Dupreeh's aggression and entry are what wins rounds, and xyp bails out his teams in clutches. Device can do neither, that's why he became an awper, so he has an excuse to say "LOL I can't retake with awp sry guys I'll just sit and hold some gay angle in the corner and pad my stats". The ONLY way this kid can get kills is in 4x3 situations post plant holding site with an awp. Even if you think he's good because of his high rating, if you save and exit frag as much as device, even you can have high ratings. Probably the most overrated player to play the game, he is the "star" yet everyone on his team is more impactful and doesn't choke lmao.
2018-02-14 12:29
Jordan LBJ 
+1 I love you. Unfortunately hltv kids will call you baiter because their penaut brain is not working properly.
2018-02-14 12:31
agreed also people call him one of top5 awpers but wtf never remember his plays or him in general. rarely see a video about him 2
2018-02-14 12:32
heres a video. youre welcome
2018-02-14 13:45
France Vipair 
ur history lmao
2018-02-14 12:32
s1mple | 
Finland Salli 
Why did device have the most opening kills per round in 2017 of the Astralis players then?
2018-02-14 12:33
2018-02-14 12:44
Opening kills doesn't mean shit. Look at Astralis map pool, they love Overpass for example, at one point they were the best overpass team in the world. A long on Overpass is device's favorite spot. The meta right now on long is to take aim duels there, not to smoke it off or anything, so device on CT will hold A long, when he gets peeked on LAN he shuts them down because it isn't online, and then he falls back. My problem with this is A. He proceeds to do nothing else in the round B. If they don't peek A long and go B he will just save the AWP, won't even try to win unless xyp gets 2-3 kills. C. Opening kills only tracks the first kill in the game, not just your team, meaning usually what will happen is someone like dupreeh or kjaerbye will make the first kill for their team, but it's not counted in the stats. Dupreeh definitely has more first kills for his team than device. D. All of device's kills are either openers by holding passively with awp or exit frags, so he has no mid round impact despite being the "star player". Tell me, how many star players do you know that can't clutch or retake a site? Exactly. The problem with device is that every game is a 4v5 with him as soon as the the enemy team is too aggressive. He will either choke under pressure or concede the round in favor of the next.
2018-02-14 12:49
s1mple | 
Finland Salli 
"Opening kills doesn't mean shit." Okay mate. Not only device had the most opening kills per round, Astralis won 78,8% of those rounds. FalleN had 73.7%, rain 74.0%, kennyS 77.7%. devices impact for Astralis is massive.
2018-02-14 13:49
sergej | 
Finland JakeZu 
"He constantly has no impact whatsoever, dupreeh and xyp9x are both 10x the player he is Dupreeh's aggression and entry are what wins rounds" "Device can do neither" " the most opening kills per round in 2017 of the Astralis" "Opening kills doesn't mean shit." Like first you say those entrys and opening kills are important, but still he had the most opening kills per round and then u say those doesn't mean anything? Are you stupid brazilian?
2018-02-14 13:52
Are you retarded? Device doesn't make his opening kills on T side, most of them are on CT, as Astralis have way better CT sides than T sides. On T sides they will often lose a man, so say Kjaerbye dies first, then dupreeh gets a kill, every single T round, then it won't contributes to opening kill statistics. However, since Astralis will often choose CT side first, if device at least makes one passive awp angle shot as the first engagement, then he will instantly have better opening kill statistics. Opening kills are important on T side but device has no impact there.
2018-02-14 14:29
s1mple | 
Finland Salli 
I don't see how device isn't a decently clutch player. You make it sound like he never clutches rounds. Astralis in 2017, their clutch stats in big events were: 1v1 / 1v2 / 1v3 / 1v4 = total device: 18W (+6 differential) / 11W / 5W = 34 clutches xyp9x: 26W (+19 differential) / 16W / 6W / 3W = 51 clutches dupreeh 13W (+1 differential) / 11W / 2W / 1W = 27 clutches kjaerbye 25W (+9 differential) / 6W / 1W = 32 clutches gla1ve 23W (+9 differential) / 9W = 32 clutches device still had the 2nd most clutches in Astralis, that also had the clutcher of the year. Keeping in mind he didn't even play for couple of months.
2018-02-14 14:48
hltv always overrates danish players, even tho they are usually best without need of overrating xd quess why they do that - they are danish too they even made dev1ce higher than fallen and kennys last year, which was biggest joke in history if you compare all those 3
2018-02-14 12:35
I'm no fanboy, however I watched Astralis verse FaZe yesterday and therefore please explain these points.. - Device 41 kills - Device got 4 kills in multiple rounds by entry fragging with an awp - Device 3K in pistol rounds - Device 3k shuts down Faze's push. They would have won 16-13 however, the two rounds that they lost making it 15-15 Device died to Guardian at the start and Faze pushed A site like it was the easiest take in the world. Therefore, I do not believe you can say he has "no impact whatsoever".
2018-02-14 12:36
Online. Also don't get me wrong, I don't think device is a bad player, he has good decision making sort of (a bit too passive), but he is not a too 5 player like he's been rated for the past 3 years
2018-02-14 12:50
-device +maikelele
2018-02-14 12:37
Not really, he does have an impact to the game but his kills arent flashy so people think that he is an exit fragger, and both Dupreeh AND Device are the star players for Astralis. There is a reason why they are called the Double D's.
2018-02-14 12:38
Star players are always clutchers, huge entries, mid round playmakers, etc. Device is non of these things. Dupreeh, Xyp9x, and formerly Kjaerbye all did more than device.
2018-02-14 12:51
No, The Star player is The player Winning Them games. Just like Device does.. Even Fallen said on twitter that he is The hardest awpers to play against. At least for him.
2018-02-14 13:15
+1 I can only agree to that statement. device is literally winning them games with his amazing positional play with the AWP and very consistent level of fragging. Sure, he may not be a huge entry player, he may not be the clutch god, but because of him and his playstyle the other players can perform their tasks without the pressure of knowing that they have to do all the heavy lifting. Whenever someone's underperforming, you can usually count on device having a big game and either saving the game or at least keeping his team in contention. He's not flashy, but he's exactly what the best Danish team needs. Plus, as you said, he must be a real pain in the ass to play against, especially since he doesn't do a lot of mistakes, but can still surprise the opponent with aggressive plays.
2018-02-14 13:32
He keeps their game flowing. Thats why Dupreeh and Kjaerbye (back in The time) always could play aggressively. Device posistioning could stable it out. Fantastic and smart player.
2018-02-14 13:41
2018-02-14 13:43
Switzerland BottomFragger 
+1 you just perfectly explained why this thread and LBJ are absolutely retarded
2018-02-14 16:04
Denmark MeToxi 
"Kjaerbye did more than device" lmao ahahahha, he played well in like 2 tournaments where he amongst other barely got the mvp instead of device at their major win. Dont get me wrong, kjaerbye is a great player, he just fits better in the msl format than the glaive format. Xyp9x is a great clutcher but still, i havn't seen great clutches from him in a while. Dupreeh is a star player, yes, arguably better that device but if you look at the facts, you'd see that device is in fact a star player and is most of the reason for why astralis made it to all those playoffs at events in 2017.
2018-02-14 14:21
Device was always consistent however Astralis only had success when they had insane performances from people like dupreeh and xyp. Dev1ce has no impact like I said. Very solid player, but adding him to your team won't win you games. Listen I'm not trying to say he's not really good and talented. He is just not top5 for 3 years.
2018-02-14 14:32
Denmark MeToxi 
I'll bet that you think that all teams needs to be like faze or old fnatic to get success. I realize now that i should not try to discuss whether device is overrated or not with a biased fuck who just wants fallen to be above device. You are all talk and no facts since you have nothing to back your statements up. I'm positive that if we looked at a demo with pov of device then we would confirm that device is not an exitfragger and that he does have mad skills. I'm also sure that we'll hear glaive tell him to save the awp in several rounds where device is alone. One of device's strengths is that he tricks the enemy into thinking he's one place and then when they attack on some other side of the map they'll lose at least 2 players in a long range dual to device. This is something where you'll often see device run to the other bombside right after taking a shot. Did i mention that most of the experts agrees on the fact that device is skilled? Well.. They do. And what is your qualifications to argue on this subject compared to analysts and casters? I bet you that they have way more experience in cs:go than you do.
2018-02-14 15:27
It also comes down how Gla1ve uses him, if he lets dev1ce go loose i m sure he will amaze you how good he is.
2018-02-14 15:52
Europe Sn1ck 
i hope you didnt write this, else you are just a retard
2018-02-14 12:38
2018-02-14 12:41
Device top #1
2018-02-14 12:43
NiKo | 
India Sishir 
Astralis won yesterday against Faze because of him. So I doubt. But Cold, NiKo, S1mple, rain, fer, guardian > device for sure.
2018-02-14 12:44
2018-02-14 12:51
NiKo | 
India Sishir 
Yea. Point. +1 Won't make any comment before Star ladder
2018-02-14 12:52
Mexico Jardeet 
Fer Watch every SK game, when they play against Eco he is 100% smg rushing for frags. He is number 1 stat padder
2018-02-14 12:53
Fer is not overrated but yes he is a huge stat padder. The reason why I say he is not overrated is he plays aggressive on both eco rounds and gun rounds the difference is that in gun rounds the enemies are actually able to kill him before he aces. On eco rounds he just kills them all. However I do think rain is better than Fer. Also HLTV actually acknowledges he's an eco fragger. However they don't acknowledge device is one too.
2018-02-14 13:02
Portugal Zedonp 
He is also the one facing first on T side executes and sometime entrys even on ct side. Fer is not a stat padder cuz he is always the first point of contact for SK.
2018-02-14 13:30
Bad bait 0/8 device really bad
2018-02-14 13:03
device | 
Denmark frix00 
look last game on esl then come back
2018-02-14 13:14
2018-02-14 14:33
is it me or is device a bit of a boring player like u see it at the end of the game "oh wow device has 32 kills" but u can never remember them. can u remember a single device kill ? but try guardian...u can see the flick i remember a device flick.
2018-02-14 13:15
f0rest | 
Finland Alko^ 
I can remember device exit frags
2018-02-14 13:33
Russia accn 
I think that players like HeatoN, Potti, elemeNt are most overrated. They were stars when there was no competition at all. They are nothing in comparison with players like f0rest and neo.
2018-02-14 13:24
in my eyes its actually xyp who is overrated xD His clutches every now and then cover a lot of other mistakes or aimfails done by him
2018-02-14 13:46
there was a time when he was maybe one of THE best holds on any site A on cache for example
2018-02-14 13:48
Highest clutch percentage in the world, and 3rd most clutches (beaten by coldzera and fallen, but both of those players also have more maps than him). Statistically he is the best clutcher in the world.
2018-02-14 14:34
<3 csgo experts
2018-02-14 13:47
It hurts to say it but I gotta say its NiKo. at least for now.
2018-02-14 13:48
NiKo is just inconsistent, we still don't know, at the Major he was a god except in the Finals, well yeah it kinda makes sense: Those were his first playoffs at a major, and he was a key part for FaZe making it to the Finals, but he kinda didn't show up there at the Finals because of the pressure. We can't say anything for now xD He hasn't played much, he only played the major and a few online matches.
2018-02-14 13:56
United Kingdom swellis 
oskar is like a toned down device, not as mainstream but he's mainly just an exit fragger
2018-02-14 14:22
botvice,choko,chockeskar etc... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2018-02-14 14:34
2018-02-14 14:36
Guys, one more thing to add, I don't think device is a bad player, but he is insanely overrated. Every single top 10 player, kennyS, fallen, coldzera, etc. They will win you games. The same can't be said for device, extremely consistent talent and smart player, but low impact. Adding him to your team, unlike s1mple, Niko, coldzera, kennyS, etc. Will improve your team if you are bad, but won't win you games, yet people will act like he's the best awper in the world or a top5 player.
2018-02-14 14:37
2015 #3 impact 2016 #2 impact 2017 #6 impact “No impact”
2018-02-14 16:41
2018-02-15 13:32
Poland rencz_bot 
I believe you are wrong, because the most overrated player in history of world is Karim Benzema. It's so obvious.
2018-02-14 14:39
Brazil pedrohmn 
2018-02-14 14:39
Turkey zekicamurcu 
i came here to write device but you already did it . saved me from trouble thx
2018-02-14 15:28
device used to be really good years ago. but atm hes not even the best on astralis. he gets carried by dupreeh.
2018-02-14 15:54
Hungary Shiron212 
I think the most overrated is Stewie2k, there are much better players than him...
2018-02-14 16:00
+1 autimatic is so much better and way more consistent. Stewie has never gotten an MVP outside tier 2 NA events
2018-02-15 13:31
Lucky | 
France Daniska 
+1 or Scream
2018-02-14 15:58
Dude who pays attention to IM anyway Nobody on hltv even watches any of the games from main
2018-02-14 15:59
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