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Stop blaming zeus
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
I'll explain it to you silvers , Zeus is something called a "IGL" which stands for IN GAME LEADER. His job is to call strategy's not kill ,that is a rifler/awpers/lurkers job , you'll learn these terms in a higher rank. So stop blaming Zeus for not killing when he is focused on calling...
2018-02-25 23:12
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#1
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Norway mohzart 
he kept the ak from s1mple and cost them the game s1mple only had cz XDDD
2018-02-25 23:12
#9
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Poland Hell2k 
s1mple anyway got kill
2018-02-25 23:13
#49
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Nigeria notaginger 
its beacause simple had no armour
2018-02-25 23:19
#114
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Switzerland TyRRRR 
s1mple ak no armor > zeus helmet armot + ak
2018-02-25 23:33
#120
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United States B0bbutttoast 
S1mple can clutch with literally any weapon, zeus was putting himself in a better situation knowing s1mple would have impact either way. That way both players alive had impact, not just one. There are multiple solutions to every problem.
2018-02-25 23:44
#122
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Switzerland TyRRRR 
I know, but in this case this was a retarded move imo, especially in such a desperate situation.
2018-02-25 23:47
#152
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Nigeria notaginger 
then probably zeus wa low hp :/ think again
2018-02-26 16:20
#2
Portugal KSED 
You're blind
2018-02-25 23:12
Hes not a bot, u guys are simply idiots. U saw how edward and zeus had a discussion, it probaly tilted Zeus so fucking much which made him underperform. so actually this is Edward being shit
2018-02-25 23:12
#4
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Israel Hezekiel_Keepo 
his "strategy" was shit
2018-02-25 23:12
#43
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Netherlands YourT 
+1 nothing f*cking worked
2018-02-25 23:18
#5
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Poland cebulae 
roflmao
2018-02-25 23:12
#6
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Poland Hell2k 
Ye he is igl he cant kill lul fallen is also igl top 5 2 times in a row so
2018-02-25 23:12
#7
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Netherlands Deji 
Same Excuses as karrigan
2018-02-25 23:13
#8
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United States Nerfdoge 
Yea igls dont have to be good fraggers however when there is 40 rounds played and you don't reach double digits you cannot be on a top tier team.
2018-02-25 23:13
fallen igl coach and second best awper atm
2018-02-25 23:39
#141
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Denmark steffmeister 
fallen is a freak example
2018-02-26 00:06
#10
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United States Lolichan 
strategy doesn't mean shit when you drop 8 kills you fucking silver
2018-02-25 23:13
Are you sure? Na`Vi couldn't do a shit without Zeus when they had 5 fragers.
2018-02-25 23:15
> seized > fragger
2018-02-25 23:17
He was decent frager before Na`Vi kicked Zeus and forced seized to be IGL.
2018-02-25 23:19
yeah like 10 years ago, nt
2018-02-25 23:18
2 years ago max, nt newfag.
2018-02-25 23:19
0/8, seized is a decoy
2018-02-25 23:19
Of course seized is decoy right now, but he was decent frager before Na`Vi kicked Zeus and forced seized to be IGL.
2018-02-25 23:19
> Na`Vi couldn't do a shit without Zeus when they had 5 fragers. > 5 > 5 > 5 You just wrote that seized became decoy after zeus had been kicked. So they never had 5 fraggers. Just compare chrisJ,fallen with zeus :D
2018-02-25 23:21
Obviously he became decoy after some time after Zeus' kick, not immediately. So initial idea was to have 5 fraggers and they had 5 fraggers.
2018-02-25 23:22
But most of the time he was decoy.
2018-02-25 23:23
Who cares? Initial idea was to have 5 fraggers and they had 5 fraggers. But it simply doesn't work. As well as it didn't work in fnatic, for example, so after some time they had to bring Golden.
2018-02-25 23:24
compare zeus with other top igls.
2018-02-25 23:28
And again, who cares? FalleN or gla1ve are not gonna join Na`Vi any time soon, so if you want compare then it should be more realistic candidates like ANGE1, B1ad3, jR, etc.
2018-02-25 23:36
#40
s1mple | 
Germany psymax 
seized is a decoy, not a fragger
2018-02-25 23:18
#11
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Germany gigaTV0803 
chrisJ is also called a "IGL", but he was top fragger for mouz. 7 kills in 40 rounds is extremly bad even he is IGL
2018-02-25 23:13
if he calls good it doesn't matter even if he have 0 kills
2018-02-25 23:14
#23
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Germany gigaTV0803 
you dont gonna win shit with 4 players
2018-02-25 23:15
no that's why zeus is there, 4+1=5 he's playing good atm, his calls is on point
2018-02-25 23:16
That's why they have s1mple and electronic. Electronic's performance is not that good tho.
2018-02-25 23:17
#39
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Germany gigaTV0803 
tbh zeus is the worst fragging player in all top 20 teams
2018-02-25 23:18
as long as he talks it's ok
2018-02-25 23:25
it does matter
2018-02-25 23:24
no
2018-02-25 23:25
#52
Snax | 
Tunisia Dupix123 
sir there is a big different between t side and ct side chrisj:ropz stay there( next to palace) oskar watch ramp styko WATCH app sunny watch mid and i will be short and then everyone says info while zeus as t side he has to stay focus on map and take look at histeam mates and any IGL as t side prefere dying first so he can confortable tell communicate with them and tell them what they do
2018-02-25 23:19
#74
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Germany gigaTV0803 
and? navi and mouz won exact same amount of t rounds even with chrisj fragging good facepalm
2018-02-25 23:23
#12
chrisJ | 
Netherlands MAScott 
ChrisJ is the IGL of mouz, 41-24 kd, find some other excuse.
2018-02-25 23:13
Rush mid ftw
2018-02-25 23:13
Agree, Zeus best IGL ever, mice were so lucky
2018-02-25 23:14
And he is evolving. He has added something from VP and chokigan to his "Cloud9" and "fake cloud9" strats.
2018-02-25 23:15
#17
shox | 
Iceland evil_pimp 
So is chrisJ, he was 41-24 in that Mirage game. Zeus ended on 8-32 after 40 rounds, that's straight up pathetic and the "igl excuse" doesn't make up for that.
2018-02-25 23:14
0/8 ChrisJ
2018-02-25 23:14
#21
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Jordan Sharkasi 
uhhh? so what? falleN is an IGL, ChrisJ, Karrigan... ALL get there share of kills, just cuz ur the IGL doesn't mean you go 8 kills in 40+ rounds.. you'll learn that at a higher rank.
2018-02-25 23:15
#22
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Bulgaria zikinu 
yeah "great" igl, bottom frags and still keeps the ak. Just great.
2018-02-25 23:15
Lul, have you seen his strats. 2nd last T round: Not dropping AWP to simple, so he has to buy it himself. Simple has zero nades. last T round: Not dropping AK to simple, simple has CZ. No Midsmoke, all push mid one after another, all die. Zeus frags terrible and his strats are THE WORST. Funny enough, ChrisJ is also something called "IGL" ... just had 41 frags.
2018-02-25 23:15
IGL unable to kill was good in 2015, we are in 2018
2018-02-25 23:15
Stopped reading at: His job is to call strategy's not kill
2018-02-25 23:15
so stay at the respawn....dropping weapons for his teammates dude...this is one of the bigger bullshit i've heard this weekend.....stfu PLSS!!!
2018-02-25 23:15
#28
Summer | 
China ezpz95 
let's look at Fallen, Tarik, Shox and ChrisJ
2018-02-25 23:15
Fallen good.....zeus god
2018-02-25 23:15
execute a execute b with 3 short very smart
2018-02-25 23:16
In 2015 it was alright for IGLs to not be capable to frag, now the only IGL that can't frag out there is Zeus. Pronax, Seangares, B1AD3 are all way beyond their prime now because the level is much higher. Also, Zeus isn't as amazing as you're trying to say here
2018-02-25 23:16
#34
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Germany gigaTV0803 
-zeus +better Fragging IGL - edward+ AWPer (so s1mple can rifle and 2nd awp) ez top 3
2018-02-25 23:17
ANGE1 and mou would be expensive but we would get to see the best cis lineup ever
2018-02-25 23:25
#92
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Germany gigaTV0803 
i dont think money is a huge problem for navi
2018-02-25 23:26
#36
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
You can't keep saying 'chrisJ' he obviously was more focused on killing then calling . Zeus chose to be more focused on strats then kills , on the other hand chrisJ was more focused on killing then calling ,so in the long run he being greedy and not a team player.
2018-02-25 23:17
#37
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Europe H0wLinqDawN 
Whatever he is,I will never lose my respect for that guy.
2018-02-25 23:17
would be valid if his strats were actually good ....
2018-02-25 23:18
#42
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Brazil mateusext 
Zeus is probably the best IGL in the world aside Glaive
2018-02-25 23:18
haha they didnt won anything so Zeus do nothing for navi... waste of spot
2018-02-25 23:19
#48
NEO | 
Poland BartoloNEO 
after 7-8k hours those guys can simply read the game by themselves. IGL had huge impact in early phase of professional cs 2-3 years ago (pronax, neo, ex6tenz etc.). Nowadays it's mostly aim and skill based game. NaVi is playing 4v5 every match. Zeus is useless for them.
2018-02-25 23:19
ye the IGL role is fucking hyped... ye sure some of them like Glavie or Fallen or ChrisJ are good with fragging too but IGL like Zeus so fucking useless any 2000hrs player read the game like that and make the 8:32...
2018-02-25 23:20
#51
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Switzerland Schwandi 
There were no strats from Navi wtf? He did nothing this game
2018-02-25 23:19
Dude,his calls are garbage,so he isn't good as an igl and he shit the bed so fucking hard it's unbelievable
2018-02-25 23:19
#56
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Brazil h8er^_^ 
Bullshit, he must be able to do both things, just like others IGL, for example "FalleN" or even like "ChrisJ" did in Mirage, he was the top fragger, he ended 41-24. Low IQ thread.
2018-02-25 23:20
#60
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Brazil h8er^_^ 
chrisJ is the IGL of mousesports, just saying.
2018-02-25 23:20
#57
ropz | 
Estonia Saurise 
'strategy', rush mid every round and die to chrisJ
2018-02-25 23:20
ayyyyy lmao zeus, to be clear, this is something you do for the lulz in a random mm game ok I hope you understand now
2018-02-25 23:22
wtf navis strats were shit like the casters said and he closed the game out with like 7 kills so yes zeus was the problem on mirage and he lost them the game
2018-02-25 23:20
are you retarded bud?
2018-02-25 23:20
0/8
2018-02-25 23:21
8 kill in 40 rounds and IGL excuse? LUL
2018-02-25 23:21
so because you make calls, that means you cant get frag onto player who has knife in his hands and is jumping 2 meter from you look at falen, chrisj, golden, they all are getting kills even though they are igling
2018-02-25 23:21
#75
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
>Golden >Kills Pick one
2018-02-25 23:24
- zeus - more than 5 kills in one game pick one and ok, maybe golden isnt the best sample, but what about others? please dude, just stip protecting him only because he is from your country, admit that he sould be able ot get more kills
2018-02-25 23:25
#94
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Romania TheWizard741 
what about Fallen,chrisJ(just ended mirage with 40),tarik?
2018-02-25 23:27
#104
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
Having a IGL that can frag is a bonus ,but that's not expected from all IGLs , only the special occasion
2018-02-25 23:29
#138
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United States pSilent 
It’s expected when you’re playing at the highest level of CS. Name one IGL who frags as bad as Zeus at this level.
2018-02-26 00:03
#139
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
Ok hacker , karrigan , golden
2018-02-26 00:05
#142
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United States pSilent 
Karrigan and Golden frag much better than Zeus. The only person in the history of CSGO comparable to his level is Ex6tenZ.
2018-02-26 00:06
Seangares too maybe? :o
2018-02-26 00:45
#68
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Denmark Baitvice 
-800/8
2018-02-25 23:21
#70
JORDAN | 
Jordan LBJ 
IGL = in game lame
2018-02-25 23:22
#72
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
It means In game leader silver
2018-02-25 23:23
K, so you may not call zeus bad, but you can still talk shit to karrigan who frags more and is a better igl? K EDIT: Btw, zeus is a good igl, he is rlly important for his team just like karrigan
2018-02-25 23:24
#80
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
>Karrigan >Frags Pick one
2018-02-25 23:25
#90
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Romania TheWizard741 
more than zeus tho.
2018-02-25 23:26
Yeah indeed wtf
2018-02-25 23:55
>Kenzo >not hypocrite Pick one
2018-02-25 23:55
#77
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Canada mako_mako 
TOO BAD HE CANT DO EITHER, HE SUCKS DICK HE CANT FRAG OR IGL CORRECTLY AND HES BEEN AN IGL HIS WHOLE LIFE AND CHRISJ HAS ONLY BEEN IGL HALF A YEAR
2018-02-25 23:24
#87
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
But Navi won 2-1 so is Zeus the better IGL?
2018-02-25 23:25
u bots gotta understand that blaming zeus is irrelevant. zeus feels the game and yeah that last game was a hard one coming back to overtime so we can say he focused on coming back more than kills ,plus eveyr1 knows best player in server is s1mple and he has to use him, not to mention lameward pushing for no reason and dying will tilt any igl
2018-02-25 23:25
yah I'm sure lameward kept ignoring what zeus called and just pushed middle on his own accord XD
2018-02-25 23:29
#84
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Romania TheWizard741 
This mindset is outdated.Maybe this was ok back in 2015,but it isn't now. Right now everyone on your team has to able to frag decently even the IGLs. Just look at Fallen,karrigan,tarik(igl for c9),even chrisJ, they all are pretty good fraggers(especially Fallen) while IGLing so it's clearly not impossible to do both
2018-02-25 23:25
Thank god Zeus called such genius A executes and Midtakes. That surely makes up his bad fragging.
2018-02-25 23:25
#89
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
I agree with a German for once
2018-02-25 23:26
Sorry for disappointing you, but you got baited
2018-02-25 23:31
#119
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
Being sarcastic isn't a bait stupid sausage
2018-02-25 23:41
You still got baited by it, even if it wasnt ment to be one in the first place.
2018-02-25 23:49
Also not my fault that you get baited so easily
2018-02-25 23:50
#129
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
Maybe you're the one getting baited
2018-02-25 23:53
So you agree with zeus being a bot?
2018-02-25 23:57
#136
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
No he's a good IGL .
2018-02-26 00:00
So you admit that you got baited by simple sarcasm... Maybe you should quit hltv mate
2018-02-26 00:06
something within the team is not right if the IGL is so busy with calling and shit that he has no strength left to focus on his own game
2018-02-25 23:26
good luck with this on hltv where average age is 15 and average iq is 85
2018-02-25 23:27
#95
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Portugal Astart 
too bad his only strategy is #prayfors1mple
2018-02-25 23:27
Very nice excuse. There is NO excuse for having 8 frags and missing shots like that lmao.
2018-02-25 23:27
#100
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United States TJoker 
+1
2018-02-25 23:28
How is IGL even a reason anymore? NaVi literally only run defaults with the shittiest mid-round calls of all time. Its not like he has to micromanage his players For your info, chrisJ is also the IGL of mouz. He was 2 kills behind s1mple that mirage game
2018-02-25 23:28
#99
method | 
United States f0xes` 
Are the people defending Zeus even watching the fucking matches? The only reason why Na'Vi is where they are is because s1mple has been the best player on the server in every match they've played and flamie is playing out of his mind. Zeus "strats" are the most basic, late-round nonsense he's been running for nearly 3 years now. The dude is a fucking bot just like karrigan.
2018-02-25 23:28
#109
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Faroe Islands Arismendi 
this
2018-02-25 23:31
Ange1? 1.13 past 3 months, and don't say they played tier3; they played fnatic, navi multiple times, fnatic etc...
2018-02-25 23:29
#111
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Portugal NabasKi 
i don't know why didn't they replace zeus with him yet
2018-02-25 23:32
I think they are just very loyal to what zeus has done which is dumb when it's clear that he is a deadweight...
2018-02-25 23:32
#113
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Portugal NabasKi 
exactly.
2018-02-25 23:33
#102
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Faroe Islands Arismendi 
Again, it's not an excuse
2018-02-25 23:29
he is the caller, he calls strats, they had 2 strats on mirage, zeus is the one that has to get or create starts, not only he failed in the fragging aspect, he failed in calling and ingame leading, managing his players, hes just shit
2018-02-25 23:30
#106
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Portugal NabasKi 
even if you are focused on strats that doesn't mean it's okay if you don't contribute with some kills of your own... look at fallen and chrisJ.
2018-02-25 23:30
simple no major zeus 1 major
2018-02-25 23:30
#108
Kush | 
Netherlands protiny 
to bad his strats usually don't seem to work and other IGL's in the scene are way better at fragging and strats f.e. gla1ve, nitr0, tarik, golden, h0bbit, ange1
2018-02-25 23:31
still 1 kill is need at least when they entry bombside
2018-02-25 23:36
#117
method | 
United States f0xes` 
Zeus picks up AWP and chokes harder than a teenage Chinese girl on a black donger
2018-02-25 23:37
", you'll learn these terms in a higher rank." who are you?
2018-02-25 23:47
#124
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
A very knowledgeable player , hope you learned something from my post :)
2018-02-25 23:48
you sound like that enthusiastic nova kid who calls the dumbest strats in mm
2018-02-25 23:51
#128
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
I'm not gold nt
2018-02-25 23:53
Well obviously after a year you finally got out of nova and felt the need to type "you'll learn these terms in a higher rank" BAHAHA stupid noob
2018-02-25 23:54
#137
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
Mad bc mouse fan
2018-02-26 00:01
#123
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
Why so quiet now haters.
2018-02-25 23:47
#130
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Netherlands poeya 
he had 8kill on mirage with double ot, stop rubbing his cock he was bad
2018-02-25 23:54
#144
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Brazil Mirekz 
40 rounds 7 kills xD
2018-02-26 00:08
Why only Zeus, Electronic is bad also
2018-02-25 23:58
#143
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Brazil Mirekz 
Chrisj and Fallen are both IGL's 0/8 excuse
2018-02-26 00:07
#145
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Brazil fadefedora 
hi zeus family
2018-02-26 00:08
the IGL role DOES NOT excuse his god awful performance on mirage, simples back is literally broken from the carry
2018-02-26 00:12
Yeah he is an IGL, but even karrigan doesn't play that bad... Zeus 8 kills in 40 rounds (t1 even final with home crowd) Karrigan 26 kills in 41 rounds (Major final against C9 with the crowd booing) Being an IGL isn't an excuse to play terrible, karrigan, gla1ve and FalleN are IGLs too but they still frag more than Zeus.
2018-02-26 00:13
#149
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
How many frags did Zeus get on train ? Yeh STFU
2018-02-26 00:39
They still lost, if he played even better they would still have lost... If he played just a little bit better on mirage then they would have won 2-0... Nice try though stop trying to bait me, only response coming from me.
2018-02-26 00:41
#148
REZ | 
Sweden R_EZ 
Easy win for mousesports
2018-02-26 00:13
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