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Religion POLL
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Israel ThomasJefferson 
strawpoll.me/15261984/r Don't be rude, Be nice to each other okay? let's go.
2018-03-13 17:27
Atheist.
2018-03-13 17:28
sad to see almost half of the users agree with you .
2018-03-13 19:40
#76
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United States Hacker_Trash 
why sad?
2018-03-13 19:46
actually sad to see people are becoming even dumber nowadays to believe everyting happened by accident or chance or whatever the hell you call it
2018-03-13 20:57
What level of dumbness is it trust me all religions are bullshit maybe it can be a creator but im sure its name is not allah
2018-03-13 21:04
whats your argument bro calling me dumb ?
2018-03-13 21:05
#104
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World bogdan333 
Some religions were created like 5k years ago, tops... The universe is 13,x billion years old ! Do you really think that a bearded guy or other god/s created it ???
2018-03-13 21:17
dude your comparison just doesnt make sense
2018-03-13 21:24
#110
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World bogdan333 
Your IQ must be under 50 then...
2018-03-13 21:25
#116
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Iceland cracker12121 
+1
2018-03-13 21:30
+1
2018-03-13 21:41
You are the dumb one here you think the world supposed to be created at the same time with religions ?
2018-03-13 23:04
So you want to say that world was created by some guy ? and this guy needs us to fight vs evil forces or something like this ? :D
2018-03-13 23:46
or have a peddo prophet
2018-03-14 12:30
A pedo prophet fighting against evil forces ? wtf i dont want to follow that kind of shhhh
2018-03-14 12:36
#230
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World ZMDR 
+1
2018-03-14 11:27
lol you do realize that allah is just the same as god? it's just another word to describe
2018-03-14 11:04
You are right , bible and quran in same shit everything is same that they say
2018-03-14 12:39
if you have an imaginary friend and you think he created everything the problem is yours.
2018-03-13 21:48
Lol +1
2018-03-14 12:28
Religion = braindead sad but true
2018-03-14 04:56
If religion is braindead so whats the point of living ? billions of people have been living on earth past thousand years and there s no doubt everyone will die . there must be a purpose no ? even in life we do stuffs for some purposes Do you do anything without purpose ?
2018-03-14 10:57
#206
allu | 
Finland samje 
what are you talking about? We do everything for some purpose and point of living should NOT be some imaginary god. You should understand that your way of thinking makes you very vulnerable to the people who are in power in the hierarchy of these man made religions.. free yourself and be happy brother
2018-03-14 11:08
what i meant was purpose of live should be beyond the life we have been living (average 70 years ) there must be something after this life . just like you go school to get some good grades jobs wife etc. we need to the same in this world to be succeed in other one
2018-03-14 11:16
This is the only life you get man. You need to find the purpose for the time spent on this planet and make best out of it. Nothing is coming afterwards. Remember the time before you were born? Thats exactly whats coming after you die.
2018-03-14 11:23
i didnt understand sorry so what do you think will come after life ? do you really think all these evilness wont be punished no brother there will be justice
2018-03-14 11:26
It is hard concept to think how does it feel to be dead, but as I said I think easiest way to think about it is to think what was the world like before you were born? I dont think anything will happen when you die, there will be no after life - nothing. Just like there was nothing before you were born. Evilness need to be punished on this earth, not in the afterlife.
2018-03-14 11:31
so you mean there s not actual purpose of living ? we live eat shit and die thats all not being thankful to god who put the food on our table ? as you know evliness mostly doesnt get punished in this world sorry cant answer all of your question btw
2018-03-14 11:35
There is no god given purpose. You have to find your own purpose to living and that will lead you to happiness. God doesn't put food on our table, its hard working people who do that. I dont even understand what people mean with god putting food on the table. You work for the money that allows you to buy food from people who are working hard to sell it for you. Thats where food comes from. Well some evilness doen't get punished, but some do. You could say that our purpose is to make the world a better place where more of the evilness gets punished. But the wolrd doesn't get better if you think there is an after life where bad people will get what they deserve, cause there is not.
2018-03-14 11:45
lol dont think simple what i meant by food was the world is created in such perfect way that we seed and with sun and water it becomes food thats magic ıf you ask me rain itself is magic do you think they are happening randomly there is rain which helps seed to grow also sun helps it out. you seed the soil and it becomes a fruit that has plently of goods for your body thats İNCREDİBLE dont be blind brother think further may Allah be with you
2018-03-14 11:52
#264
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Finland samje 
there are people who think rain is magic and then there are people who think rain is liquid water in the form of droplets that have condensed from atmospheric water vapor and then becomes heavy enough to fall under gravity.
2018-03-14 12:01
you missed the point brother people can call rain any form of it my point is that its such blessing thing has many benefits for us
2018-03-14 12:05
#277
allu | 
Finland samje 
I get it man I get it, you seem like a good guy and I am happy to see that even though we think very differently we can communicate :] have a nice day.
2018-03-14 12:12
thanks for your kind words have a nice day too :)
2018-03-14 12:14
None of these things happen randomly, just because they are not controlled by any god, doesn't mean they are random. The world works on mathematical laws and even though we don't know all of it yet, everything we have built in this world is based on those laws - its called physics. But I do agree with you it is incredible! And it becomes more incredible when you take the magic out of it and learn how they actually work. Its really incredible that we actually have this knowledge :)
2018-03-14 12:13
Nice.. thats why i believe in God . God says look human beings i gave rain i gave you the soil to seed i gave you sun here i am and be thankful thats all he wants.our body is incredible as well in terms of the way it works so perfect and every part of our body has some particular "purpose" . I respect your opinion and glad to be able to have this kind of conversations
2018-03-14 12:18
I understand your point of view. You can still believe in god and see science as getting closer to gods work. But I do have to challenge a little bit our bodies perfection. Lots of our DNA is junk, leftovers from previous steps of evolution. We do have even organs that doesn't do anything. But its interesting.
2018-03-14 12:26
"We do have even organs that doesn't do anything. But its interesting." maybe science couldnt discover it yet :)
2018-03-14 12:28
It is possible on some cases, but others are much better explained by being reminders of evolution. Like body hair, it does nothing :D as there is no real benefit for people having a lot of hair in their backs vs having none :) Or wisdom teeth that is just pain in the ass. Or mens nipples, whats the point of those :D
2018-03-14 12:36
yes thats true it seems it has nothing benefical for our body but as i said who knows maybe they have and we dont know it yet :D wait actually it keeps us warm lol
2018-03-14 12:40
we still have a lot to be discovered thats the way i think :)
2018-03-14 12:41
#347
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Australia Mosski 
What an intelligent conversation by you two, much respect <3
2018-03-14 13:58
thank you mate ! i appreciate it :)
2018-03-14 14:03
completely agree with you
2018-03-14 11:52
thanks bro!
2018-03-14 12:03
Why do people need to be told what their purpose is or should be?
2018-03-14 13:41
because without a purpose this life doesnt mean anything which u can see people born and die for thousands of years
2018-03-14 13:42
That's not what I asked. I have a purpose, but I don't need religion to tell me what that is.
2018-03-14 13:43
whats your purpose ?
2018-03-14 13:47
To stand by my values, to do good and be a better person in general. Sounds generic, I know...but with all the shit in the world, this should be a no brainer for everyone. To cherish what I have, but to always strive for more. And this brings me to what I hate most about religion. The idea of punishing or rewarding someone for eternity, because of 79 years (average life span apparently) spent on earth is amazing to me.
2018-03-14 13:55
fair enough these are actually what religion says as well expect being thanksful and pray god for
2018-03-14 14:00
I know, but isn't that a bit weird if you think about it? Why would you need to show gratitude, if you already do good? Sounds more like bragging than anything...or more of a ritual. If you, as a parent, teach your kids something, wouldn't you just prefer that they actually use your teachings and not thank you, rather than the way around?
2018-03-14 14:07
God wants us to be grateful because we have food to eat eyes to see ears to hear . he doesnt want us to be grateful for being ethical people . He basically says i created excatly what you need all so you should be grateful and pray
2018-03-14 14:12
That's even worse; which brings me back to my earlier post. Why would God want your gratitude for putting you several decades on earth...and then decide on your eternal fate based on that? Come on, my friend.
2018-03-14 14:16
thats a good question . in order to answer we need to know why God created world ? godallah.com/why_create.php
2018-03-14 14:22
You'll excuse me for not believing what other people say 'God' is or what he has done....and for what reason.
2018-03-14 14:27
im really busy and tired right now my friend however want to have a chat with you later
2018-03-14 14:36
this is the biggest problem in the world. muslims are the most closed minded people in the world. rest of the religions are open to several beliefs. If I tell my christian mum that I'm an atheist, she finds it hard to believe but she accepts. If I tell you, a random muslim I'm an atheist, you tell me I'm dumb, the one who believes in an imaginary non-proven person, and you stand by yourself. Ever wonder why your religion is bs? Because you feel like you have a purpose on this planet like you say. Your fucking purpose is to live your life and die. Nothing beyond that. You think you were sent to do something special and all kinds of dog shit. That's why half your muslim countries are in war, because they all think they have a "purpose" just like you ranting dogshit
2018-03-14 11:25
"Your fucking purpose is to live your life and die." Does that really make sense to you ? i know many muslim are not open minded as they should be . and i dont call you dumb you can believe whatever you want
2018-03-14 11:39
Its the biggest mistake to assume there needs to be some purpose to life and that this purpose is the only way to find happiness. I think that when you understand that this life is the only one you get, makes it more precious and that finding the purpose to your life is where you'll find the happiness. It is not given by some book, its inside you.
2018-03-14 11:21
good point why are we living ? to be happy but at some point you will realize that nothing will make you happy anymore tell me what you want from this life so bad and i will give you that after a while you will notice that doesnt make you happy anymore
2018-03-14 11:42
Well this is of course one of the hardest questions of all time. What is happiness? Or how do you find happiness? Many philosophers have given their thoughts on happiness through the ages, but I think for me the best answers have been found from existentialism and through the works of Søren Kierkegaard, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Jean-Paul Sartre, Friedrich Nietzsche. In a very short answer I do believe that happiness comes from "authentic decisions", when you make decisions that you are in control of rather than decisions that are expected from you by others. For example I do live mostly on christian values but its through my own decision, I do not believe in god in any form, but some of the values are still good. I dont think happiness will come from buying things or achieving small term goals. I'm sure most people in the world dream about being rich, but its very different from being happy. I am not rich by any standards, but I do have nice things in my life. If I won a lottery it would give me a bigger appartment, bigger boat and a nicer car, but the only thing that would actually make me happier would be the freedom from work. I would be able again make more authentic decisions on what do I really want to do :)
2018-03-14 11:57
good one yet again i claim there s no infinite happiness in this world and there wont be ever . "but the only thing that would actually make me happier would be the freedom from work" believe me after a while that wont make you happy anymore and we will keep calling life "bullshit"
2018-03-14 12:02
I dont think freedom from work would give me happiness forever. It would lead me to do more things that I enjoy. :) Maybe I'd find a profession in a esport org or have a startup company around something I find more interesting.
2018-03-14 12:08
infite happiness will come after this life and i m really looking forward metting you there :)
2018-03-14 12:10
Being active and productive is good for you and your self confidence. Being unemployed is very depressive, you see yourself as shit, able to do nothing and totally useless after few months.
2018-03-14 12:48
Yea I dont think most of us would just be unemployed if had the chance. But monetary freedom would let you be more picky on what to do as you wouldn't have to do things you dont want to. For example you could learn something new, which is very hard for adults as you have accumulated a certain lifestyle that is very hard to let go.
2018-03-14 13:04
Everything is without purpose, all the purpose there is we make ourselves, if you need a fairy tale to tell you that you have purpose you must be below 80iq
2018-03-14 12:30
nice argument lol" everything is without purpose " why do you go to school why do you eat ? why do you have eyes and ears?
2018-03-14 12:31
Because thats the sociatal structure, if i dont go to school i end up under a bridge, if i dont eat i end up under the ground, i have eyes and ears because millions of years of evolution gave those to most living organisms, what is your awnser to these questions? "because Allah wanted it" lmao this is either bait or you are just brainwashed from birth wich is most likely, to sheep like to think for yourself and thus you believe everything you're told even if it's the most rediculous bullshit ever
2018-03-14 12:43
you missed the point my friend i meant we do some stuff for purposes dont be rude be nice!!
2018-03-14 12:45
hahahahahaha epic lowIQ :D
2018-03-14 16:30
#184
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Switzerland veach 
LMAO reatrd
2018-03-14 10:57
Im sorry I don't believe in magical ghosts...please forgive me.
2018-03-14 11:18
think about it if it was visible we wouldnt be here to argue about it and there definetly would be no question about it . thats why we call it FAİTH
2018-03-14 11:20
It won't be visible, because those fairy tales doesn't exist, and you know what? If they do, they're mean motherfuckers for making so many people suffer(and don't bullshit me with things they deserve, a new born baby can suffer and die without doing anything wrong in the 2 days he's been alive). And regarding the "purpose" your talking about, there's no fucking purpose, you live, you die, end of story. Wake up, and live to the fullest instead of getting stuck with this bullshit.
2018-03-14 11:24
Faith is the worst part of religion. Its a virtue in religion to believe something that cannot be explained, and thats mental cancer. Nothing in this world goes forward with faith.
2018-03-14 11:25
xD braindead believer spotted
2018-03-13 19:51
sad because?
2018-03-13 20:45
#80
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Canada Trudoh 
Not believing in science in 2018... Wtf? Do you think Harry Potter and the wizards exist to?
2018-03-13 20:46
wait they don't ? :c
2018-03-13 20:48
#83
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Canada Trudoh 
Harry Potter is a fictional character depicted in the ever popular book series Harry Potter written by J.K. Rowlings who lives in and was raised in England.
2018-03-13 20:49
but what about my Hogwarts letter ?
2018-03-13 20:50
#87
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Canada Trudoh 
Hogwarts' letters are written by a highly professional writing line located in Pasadena California.
2018-03-13 20:52
wtf are you talking about ? where excatly science approve that god doesnt exist ?
2018-03-13 20:52
#88
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Canada Trudoh 
Expected question from a turk
2018-03-13 20:52
you dont need science to believe whether ther s a creator or not look around and tell me anything that has been created itself
2018-03-13 20:54
#117
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Iceland cracker12121 
who created god then? or did he create himself?
2018-03-13 21:31
"say: he is Allah, the one and only,Allah the eternal and absolute he begetteth not, nor is he begotten and there is not unto him" (112-4)
2018-03-13 23:00
#149
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Iceland cracker12121 
but you could say the same about the universe.
2018-03-13 23:23
How come ? Can you elaborate a bit
2018-03-13 23:25
#167
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Iceland cracker12121 
you are basically saying that no one created Allah and that he was there from the beginning, you could say the same about the world. like this: it is the universe, the one and only,the universe the eternal and absolute it begetteth not, nor is it begotten and there is not unto it.
2018-03-14 00:13
#176
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Poland HTMFS 
+1
2018-03-14 04:32
aanndd im telling that name me a thing around you that has been created itself ? you need to see small pieces in order to get the big one
2018-03-14 11:04
#208
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Greece hekzy 
Apparently God was created by himself.. By your own logic ofc.
2018-03-14 11:09
#323
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Europe porrasm 
Your point does not make sense. Everything around me was created because of the laws of physics.
2018-03-14 13:22
fucking lol brother i know its laws of physics but who made that laws how our world works just fine there s an absolute perfect order in world
2018-03-14 13:23
#327
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Europe porrasm 
Nobody made those laws. The laws are not a physical thing. They are just the ways everything in our universe behaves. They have always existed, just like the universe.
2018-03-14 13:25
so its coincedence that we have gravity that keeps our body and materials on the ground and its also coincedence that we have rain and sun to help seed to grow and become a magical food bring all f**ng scientist to make me an apple or an human eyes
2018-03-14 13:28
#330
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Europe porrasm 
It's not coincidence at all. Gravity is part of the laws of physics that have existed always. It can't be coincidence if has always existed. #329
2018-03-14 13:29
how do you know its always existed
2018-03-14 13:30
and answer the whole questions
2018-03-14 13:30
#333
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Europe porrasm 
#329 You haven't answered 1 of my questions. You haven't explained why Allah has always existed. You haven't explained me why Allah exists. Until you do that I won't care to continue this conversation, it's a waste of my time.
2018-03-14 13:32
lol brother i gave a verse from Quran for your question which we are unable to answer. tell your science to create a part of human organ anything and i will beileve whatever you want
2018-03-14 13:33
#335
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Europe porrasm 
#329 Quran is false. Prove me wrong.
2018-03-14 13:35
you are the one claims that Quran is false you should backup your statement with valid reasons lol but anyways i will send you some verses that may help you out
2018-03-14 13:40
#343
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Europe porrasm 
#329 Quran is false. Prove me wrong.
2018-03-14 13:48
And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents. (21-35) Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? (30-35) And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.(33-35 A token unto them is the dead earth. We revive it, and We bring forth from it grain so that they eat thereof; there many others but the thing these are not easy to understand we need "tesfir" google it
2018-03-14 13:52
you are feeling its perfect because its the only world you have seen which has life. there may be countless other planets which has life in different forms.they dont seem perfect to you. they may not see our lives are perfect. their lives may be completely different from ours which means neither is perfect.
2018-03-14 13:36
yea but we r talking about this world right ?
2018-03-14 13:37
if you are talking about only this world then it doesnt make sense to call it perfect.
2018-03-14 15:25
#177
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United States TriHardSeven 
I could literally write anything, and if enough people believe it I guess it's real.
2018-03-14 04:42
so you are basically telling me you could write the same thing in Quran which is written 1.5k years ago ? Go read Quran and tell me anything that isnt applicable in current world
2018-03-14 10:54
#189
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Switzerland veach 
i believe in unicorns a lot of people do it too therefore unicorns are real!
2018-03-14 10:59
you need to backup your argument some facts dont you ? bad comparison overall friend
2018-03-14 11:02
#196
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Switzerland veach 
im using your logic lol
2018-03-14 11:02
so is it coincedence that a book written thousands of years and theres nothing absurd in it ? I bet you didnt read Quran for once
2018-03-14 11:03
#201
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Switzerland veach 
what does the age of the quran have to do with that? ive read surats of the quran and they all seem as stupid as any other religious book
2018-03-14 11:04
lol then tell me anything that s stupid in Quran if u actually read it
2018-03-14 11:07
#207
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Switzerland veach 
Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. (Quran 2:174) Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell after death. (Quran 2:85) Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (Quran 2:191) Virgins await those who enter paradise. (Quran 3:15) Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. (Quran 3:21) Those who brag about doing good will go to hell. (Quran 3:188) Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. (Quran 4:56) Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. (Quran 5:33) Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. (Quran 6:70) Those who are tormented in the Fire will have their foreheads and backs branded. (Quran 9:35) Whoever thinks that Allah will not assist him in this life and the hereafter, let him stretch a rope to the ceiling, then let him hang himself, then let him see if his struggle will take away that at which he is enraged. (Quran 22:15) The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment. (Quran 24:2)
2018-03-14 11:08
dont copy pasta me and read it to understand not just to be an oppositon
2018-03-14 11:19
#217
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Switzerland veach 
i read them all buddy does one sound okay to you?
2018-03-14 11:20
you need to google "tesfir " one verse may have a meaning of a page its not that easy to understand ffs its not a novel
2018-03-14 11:23
#226
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Switzerland veach 
because quran is a story? LOL now answer me why do you think god is real,
2018-03-14 11:24
as i said before when i look around and look at my body it would be so dumb to believe those happened or been created by itself therefore i believe a creator
2018-03-14 11:29
#233
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Switzerland veach 
how did the creator create you then? and how did the creator get created?
2018-03-14 11:30
i gave you the verse from Quran . It stands for the questions that is beyond our minds .. the questions which we are unable to answer brother veach
2018-03-14 11:32
#244
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Switzerland veach 
you heard about big bang and darwin? you think some guy just clapped in his hands and poof we all appeared?
2018-03-14 11:33
tell me what bigbang and darwin say
2018-03-14 11:35
#248
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Switzerland veach 
educate yourself on your own
2018-03-14 11:36
no i know what it says i want to hear from your perspective brother
2018-03-14 11:37
#241
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Switzerland veach 
also why would the creator be allah and not aliens or a rainbow unicorn?
2018-03-14 11:31
good question poeple have believed a lot of things as a creator and the moment they realized what they have believed dont help them in any way let alone being helpful for themselves
2018-03-14 11:37
What about people born with handicap, only 1 arm, blind etc. ? What did they so bad to come like that ?
2018-03-14 12:57
#209
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Greece hekzy 
Where are the Allah facts? How is Allah more real than unicorns?
2018-03-14 11:10
i want you to look at your body and read each of your organs tasks and that has happened by accident ?
2018-03-14 11:13
#214
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Greece hekzy 
Not accident. It was a process of millions and billions of years that my cells formed this way due to the conditions they were put in.
2018-03-14 11:17
good who created cells that has been formed ? where did it come from ?
2018-03-14 11:21
#222
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Greece hekzy 
The universe was created by the big bang, an explosion that expands the unuverse. Once the universe contracts and shrinks back to a single cell, another big bang will happen and the cycle will continue forever.
2018-03-14 11:23
so a big bang happened so called "by itself" and suddenly earth is created and its just perfect for humans and animals
2018-03-14 11:30
#365
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Greece hekzy 
Yes, fucking read on it. It's based on logic, not belief. Also, your belief is that this creator was born so called "by himself" and then he ignited the big bang? Hypocrisy.
2018-03-14 18:22
#297
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Europe porrasm 
Theory of evolution already demonstrates how our bodies are no accidents at all. I believe that our human bodies and every other living creature is the end result of 100s of millions of years of mutation and natural selection that started from a single one cell organism. Science has yet to find where life began but it can thoroughly explain how it evolved.
2018-03-14 12:42
where did one cell organism come from ?
2018-03-14 12:44
#302
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Europe porrasm 
We don't know. It could have happened by sheer chance or it could have come to Earth by an asteroid from another planet with life.
2018-03-14 12:46
where another planet come from ? this can go so long .. what i mean nothing happened by itself and accidently. look around in the room bro and name a thing that occured by accident or itself
2018-03-14 12:49
#309
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Europe porrasm 
You are not making any arguments here. Nothing happens by accident. Everything has an explanation, we just don't know all of the explanations yet. Everything in my room happened because of particles in space formed atoms which formed molecule which gravity brought together and started a fusion reaction, 2 hydrogen atoms combining into a helium atom while releasing huge amounts of energy in the form of heat, radiation and light. End results is our sun. Due to the huge amount of mass particles started to orbit our sun. These small particles (atoms and molecules such as iron) were pulled together by gravity and slowly this huge "pile" of particles started to get bigger. Fast forward hundreds of millions of years and it's big enough to have a mass so big that it is starting to form into a sphere. This sphere became Earth. Sometime either by accident or an asteroid life came to Earth. Life evolved into humans. Humans created a society. Out of this society I was born and I visited a shop, also a creation of our society, and bough my computer and every other stuff in my room. No accidents. Science.
2018-03-14 12:57
dude the point you dont get is that where atoms came from where hydrogen uranyum or other elements came from i m not talking about the world and how it was formed
2018-03-14 13:07
#316
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Europe porrasm 
Does it have to come from anywhere? No it does not. All we know is that it came from the Big Bang. Where the Big Bang came from is out of our reach right now since we cannot observe anything before it. Maybe in the future science will get the answer. By using your argumentI will ask you a question: Where did God come from?
2018-03-14 13:11
#138
2018-03-14 13:13
even termodynamics agrees with Quran the first law :D
2018-03-14 13:17
What about people born with handicap, only 1 arm, blind etc. ? What did they so bad to come like that ?
2018-03-14 12:58
they are being tested for sure and will get the reward in other side
2018-03-14 13:03
mistake
2018-03-14 12:58
flat earth ?
2018-03-14 12:53
"Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter Paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion" (3-185) i will be believing whatever you want me to when they invent immortality
2018-03-14 11:01
#89
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Vietnam Valzao 
flag checks out
2018-03-13 20:54
#91
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Canada Trudoh 
+1
2018-03-13 20:54
you dont need to check out anyhing come to me with valid arguments or dont even bother replying faggot
2018-03-13 20:55
expected no arguments lol
2018-03-13 21:01
#103
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Vietnam Valzao 
go make me kebab ty idiot
2018-03-13 21:16
thanks for proving my point once again keep on living a miserable meaningless life bye
2018-03-13 21:21
#111
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Vietnam Valzao 
kebab 3rd world country talk about noob life ns
2018-03-13 21:25
#96
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Switzerland BottomFragger 
Science can't prove that god doesn't exist or that he does exist, that will be impossible for quite a while longer. What it can prove is that the majority written in all holy books is false and that it's possible our solar system was created by itself. That leads me to believe that the rest of the bible or the other holy books is probably false as well. I do respect people that believe in it though, as long as they can accept science.
2018-03-13 21:03
"solar systeam was created by itself ?" dude look at solar system for example think about the distance between sun and world is it coincedence that we dont burn neither we freeze ? surely the distance was calculated perfectly by a creator look at yourself and your body everything is working just fine every part of your body has a particular task
2018-03-13 21:12
Think of all the systems in the universe where the planet is too close or too far away. There are so many systems like ours, it was bound to happen, and probably it didn't just happen once. We think our life is so special but the likelyhood of it happening isn't that small tbh.
2018-03-13 21:13
dude there are surely many systems like ours but we dont actually know about them . My point is when i look around i cant see anything that created by itself some of them made by humans some of them by God but surely everything has a creator. look around in the room and name me anything that created itself
2018-03-13 21:20
me as a human, ever heard of evolution?
2018-03-13 21:25
heard it so ?
2018-03-13 21:27
What/Who created God then?
2018-03-13 21:36
#138
2018-03-13 23:00
#261
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Finland jaakkoo 
How do I know that it's not a lie?
2018-03-14 11:53
prove me that is wrong ? Quran is written 1.5k years ago and still matches perfect with our current world . and im gonna think the way you do lets say Quran is randomly written then how does it make sense why would someone write a book even he knows he will die and get nothing out of it ?
2018-03-14 11:57
#321
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Europe porrasm 
That does not explain where Allah came from. My interpretation from that is that Allah has always existed. What if the universe always existed? What if the atoms and energy has always existed? As Stephen Hawking, who actually died today RIP, explained that black holes explode when they die. Big Bang would likely be a huge black hole exploding. And our entire universe could at some point (because of gravity) be sucked into one huge black hole which will explode again and create a new Big Bang.
2018-03-14 13:19
that question is beyond our minds for sure thats why we need Quran to answer.Allah is only thing has always existed
2018-03-14 13:22
#324
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Europe porrasm 
You have no proof of this. Just as I have no proof of the universe always existing.
2018-03-14 13:22
anything we can see is created by someone thats my point of view how would claim theres no creator of human eyes when there s a creator of your camera of phone
2018-03-14 13:25
#329
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Europe porrasm 
Everything you see right now is created like this #309 I would like to stop this conversation now because it's not going anywhere because you lave yet to acknowledge anything I said.
2018-03-14 13:27
Few thoughts here: We didn't have to born on this planet, we just needed a planet somewhere. Only a planet (and the universe itself by the way) where all these criterias match perfectly allow the life that we see here. So it is not that everything is fine tuned for us, it is that if it wasn't we wouldn't be here to talk about it. Another metaphor for this could be if you have a girl friend (or just a friend for that matter), when you think about all the different factors that had to happen in order for you two to meet, it sound impossible. The odds for any two people meeting is extremely low, but than again people meet all the time.
2018-03-14 11:40
Perfect " Only a planet (and the universe itself by the way) where all these criterias match perfectly allow the life that we see here." thats what i am saying and its not only a coincedence
2018-03-14 11:44
Well it kinda is a coincidence. As said its not like this planet was chosen as the birth place for humans and then all was set perfectly for it to happen. The universe just is and has hundreds of billions of planets and most of them doesn't work out, but there surely are many planets that are perfect for life, and only on those planets life can form. And only on those planets can complex life form, and only on those planets people can think that everything was set perfectly for them :) At the same time its amazing how many things had to go exactly like they went for us to be here, but then again if it didn't we wouldn't be talking about it.
2018-03-14 12:02
" then all was set perfectly for it to happen." you ve started getting it you smart lol "At the same time its amazing how many things had to go exactly like they went for us to be here" these are not coincedence brother
2018-03-14 12:09
Well that is how you see it :) There is no other way for us to exist here than all of those things being exactly correct. I think that there are a lot of planets where those things didn't go correct and thats why we dont live there. Mars was very close to have life or might have had life in its early stages.
2018-03-14 12:21
#300
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Europe porrasm 
It is coinciidence since there are billions of stars and planets. The likelihood of one or more planets orbiting around the sun at a certain distance is huge, or if the universe is infinite the chance of that is 100%.
2018-03-14 12:45
lol how s that %100 i dont get it
2018-03-14 12:50
#314
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Europe porrasm 
Because pf mathematics. I can try to explain. Let's say you have a regular die. When you throw it you have an 1/6 chance to get 6. When you throw it 2 times you have a 2/6 times chance of getting a six. The more throws you have, the bigger chance you have. The formula for the chance of six out of n throws is this: P(n) = 1 - (5/6) ^ n When n = infinite P(n) = 1 = 100% (because 1% is 1/100 of something) Basically if there are infinite "tries" of something the chance of something that can happen is 100%. If you create a random text of random length infinite times there is a 100% chance to randomly create an exact copy of any book.
2018-03-14 13:08
#140
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United States dabauss514 
+1
2018-03-13 23:03
#186
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Switzerland veach 
where exactly can ANYTHING that god exists? nowhere
2018-03-14 10:58
You can never prove that something doesn't exist. You can only prove that things DO exist. So just prove that god exist and we are settled.
2018-03-14 11:33
Science is actually not something that is believable, just as the religions that your slamming with your post. Science claim that a number of thing occurred that have already been proven not to be true. Still they stay positive in their believes, just as well as religious people. Science is just the new religion and your just as hooked as the ones coming to church every Sunday.... GL with that
2018-03-14 00:18
You baited so many people it's crazy
2018-03-14 11:12
its not bait brother its the one and only truth :)
2018-03-14 11:14
#2
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Hltv is a cs:go centric site
2018-03-13 17:29
Is it?
2018-03-13 17:31
#9
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Yes, or atleast it should. With threads like this it won't be tho.
2018-03-13 17:32
#19
RpK | 
Europe cozmos 
It’s got an off topic area for off topic shit
2018-03-13 17:38
This is hltv, People are always talking about off topics, That's why site is so popular.
2018-03-13 17:42
#21
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Czech Republic Rewask 
It's not off topic, it's in cs:go tab. Also off topic doesn't mean talking about fucking religion on cs:go site
2018-03-13 17:43
#23
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Brazil 1stworlder 
Yes it does. That's why it's called off-topic.
2018-03-13 17:47
#28
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Religion is not off topic. It's just a straight up thing that is absolutely in no way connected to this site. I take that off topic are things like technical things, things 'bout personal life of pros etc. Not religion, baits, rascistic posts, r8 her posts etc. Take that shit to Reddit. Also religion threads almost everytime turn into something really mean.
2018-03-13 17:50
Let's hope that this thread will not turn into something really mean. i have some thoughts about your comment but i'm lazy to unleash them. :D
2018-03-13 17:53
#34
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Czech Republic Rewask 
That's ok, i have nothing against you clearly want to talk kindly, i just don't like the idea of religions threads here on hltv in general
2018-03-13 17:54
That's okay too, TBH i don't like religion threads in this site either but this isn't really a one of those in most of religion thread people shit on each other but this is just a test of religiosity of hltv. :DD
2018-03-13 18:00
#41
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Brazil 1stworlder 
We're discussing the personal life and religion of csgo players in the off-topic section. This thread discusses the religion of csgo players. I don't see how this doesn't belong here.
2018-03-13 18:02
#44
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Religion of cs:go players? How many people that clicked this thread actually play cs:go? That's the real question
2018-03-13 18:04
#46
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Hltv contains mostly of people that dont play cs:go right now, unfortunetly
2018-03-13 18:05
i Have to agree, Even i myself don't really play cs anymore or as much.
2018-03-13 18:08
#56
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Brazil 1stworlder 
Neither do certain ex-csgo pros, yet they're still being discussed... In the csgo section even!
2018-03-13 18:28
#58
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Czech Republic Rewask 
The difference with ex-pros is that they were pros at some point that's why we still discuss them
2018-03-13 18:30
off topic = anything thats not related to cs. It could literally be almost anything, whether it is religous, food, movies, popcorn, tables, chairs, trump, guitars, or basically, just anything. Thats why it is called off topic, Yes, it is a cs site, which has an off topic section(leave the fact that this thread is in the cs:go section..).
2018-03-13 19:09
you say this is a cs site. which means topic is cs so off topic can be anything unrealated to cs your logic is flawed
2018-03-13 19:44
muslim
2018-03-13 17:29
there is no allah
2018-03-13 17:57
#49
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Netherlands Deji 
nt atheist
2018-03-13 18:10
there is
2018-03-13 18:40
#64
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Other Noobskills 
Just a few more words and u will be Muslim :)
2018-03-13 18:45
youll prove it or ill kill you
2018-03-13 19:45
Expected
2018-03-13 21:10
those shit youre talking about are you sober? or is it just after you make love to your botfriend?
2018-03-13 21:26
#199
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Luxembourg Hargreaves 
your Muhammad raped little girls, that's who you are
2018-03-14 11:04
youll prove it or ill kill you
2018-03-14 11:04
#203
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Luxembourg Hargreaves 
just read Quran
2018-03-14 11:05
those shit youre talking about are you sober? or is it just after you make love to your boyfriend?
2018-03-14 11:06
will your children drink alcohol?
2018-03-13 21:35
#133
ropz | 
Estonia Eastonja 
i think theyre much more strict about pork than alcohol, i know a lot that do (i dont live in estonia)
2018-03-13 21:52
alcohol is forbidden but most don't follow that rule and I'm also weak from time to time
2018-03-14 11:30
alcohol is forbidden but most don't follow that rule and I'm also weak from time to time
2018-03-14 11:30
alcohol is forbidden but most don't follow that rule and I'm also weak from time to time
2018-03-14 11:30
alcohol is forbidden but most don't follow that rule and I'm also weak from time to time
2018-03-14 11:30
alcohol is forbidden but most don't follow that rule and I'm also weak from time to time
2018-03-14 11:30
alcohol is forbidden but most don't follow that rule and I'm also weak from time to time
2018-03-14 11:30
no.
2018-03-14 05:51
are you sure?
2018-03-14 16:00
forbidden and for weak people
2018-03-14 17:17
when you will rape a woman?
2018-03-13 23:53
never.
2018-03-14 05:51
#191
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Switzerland veach 
and when will you wake up?
2018-03-14 11:00
#225
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Latvia AntonsMc 
Goat is satisfying enough?
2018-03-14 11:24
I'm not attracted to goats maybe you are more experienced..
2018-03-14 12:09
#185
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Brazil Plou 
Fuck off
2018-03-14 10:58
#4
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Romania EdwardGabriel 
Christian Orthodox and yes i have faith
2018-03-13 17:30
Good for you mate.
2018-03-13 17:31
Don't forget to comment (Something nice) to make this thread alive.
2018-03-13 17:31
#8
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Lithuania Paulius_CS 
Pagan is a nice religion
2018-03-13 17:32
Fuck, Forgot to mention them but i don't think that there is a lot of them here.
2018-03-13 17:33
#10
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Japan VoHiYo 
im 100% muslim
2018-03-13 17:32
Expected from Germany
2018-03-13 17:33
african religion
2018-03-13 17:33
Vote Spiritual or something.
2018-03-13 17:35
Im Muslim.
2018-03-13 17:33
#57
s1mple | 
Ukraine Pornhub 
expected
2018-03-13 18:29
#187
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Brazil Plou 
expected from swedestain
2018-03-14 10:58
im hindu
2018-03-13 17:35
unexpected
2018-03-13 23:55
#16
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Turkey LineSon 
where is Flying Spaghetti Monster
2018-03-13 17:35
Not very good time for jokes.
2018-03-13 17:47
#24
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Brazil 1stworlder 
How is our religion a joke? I'm afraid I'm gonna have to report you for this.
2018-03-13 17:48
xDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2018-03-13 17:50
#60
f0rest | 
Argentina Nawll 
why are you laughing?
2018-03-13 18:35
YEAH man add our religion i didnt find my religion so i have to vote for atheism
2018-03-13 17:59
#193
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Switzerland veach 
+1
2018-03-14 11:01
#25
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Netherlands Deji 
muslim = faceit lvl 10 Atheist = silver 2
2018-03-13 17:49
Atheists have average IQ not more or less compare to average religious person at least in the west, So i don't understand why Atheists are silver 2?
2018-03-13 17:52
#30
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Netherlands Deji 
Atheists Are vary dumb
2018-03-13 17:53
No, They are not, They are average, Well some of them are very smart so as some of the religious person.
2018-03-13 17:54
what is your religion?
2018-03-13 17:59
That's a secret you see? i don't want to be boxed in, Maybe i'm an atheist maybe i'm Jewish or Christian, Who knows?
2018-03-13 18:06
#124
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Denmark Twok 
You know.
2018-03-13 21:38
#27
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United States FlagMaster 
Church of the Fonz
2018-03-13 17:50
#32
nitr0 | 
Brunei shrxtz 
Religion in XXI century lol guess there are still people without brain and any logic.
2018-03-13 17:54
I said "Don't be rude, Be nice to each other" Edit your comment or my Admin friend will ban you.
2018-03-13 17:56
#38
nitr0 | 
Brunei shrxtz 
And I dont give a shit. Go kill each other in the name of your funny god gonna be relief for the world.
2018-03-13 17:59
I mean as far as i know most of the religions don't allow to kill in the name of their god of course islam isn't included, For example i know in Christianity teachings like "love your enemies" "Turn the other chick" "Bring peace with love not with the sword" and stuff like that, i'm sure same is true to buddhism. So please mr angry man be nice.
2018-03-13 18:03
#51
nitr0 | 
Brunei shrxtz 
lepg.org/wars.htm It's all about love. I'm not able to respect anyone who belives and loves being X. It's just nonsense plus this disgusting churches and priests only carying about money and controlling everything.
2018-03-13 18:14
Religion divides and unites, When we are criticizing religion we have to recognize that, the place when religion unites are peace and when divides it's mostly because of some other religion and fights of course are mostly because of territory, you see religion doesn't say go to war kill at least western religion doesn't say that but quite the opposite it's commends to be peaceful as far as we know that we are good to go, So People are killing each other regardless of religion or non-religion throughout whole human existence a long before islam, Christianity or any other religion and even after the religion, You know how many people died in soviet regimes? hundreds of millions but they were die hard atheists doesn't they? but that's not my point exactly, Can you tell me why there is so many wars still in the world? iraqi war with america. WW2 and many more wars for territory and power, why people are still fighting if religion is cause all trouble in the world? Maybe problem is deeper then that, Maybe problem is in us? We are just creatures who fights all the time for all sorts of things? Look even chimps go to war, We have evidence that chimps attack other groups of chimps for power and for territory so as humans, So it's lot deeper then you think, it's deeply biological in us.
2018-03-13 18:26
#61
nitr0 | 
Brunei shrxtz 
Yet look at how many wars were made because of being X and church. You are probably jew judging by flag, how many of jews died in WW2 was this a neccessary sacrifice, was that part of the being X plan? Humans are dumb yet driven by faith are becoming insane that's why I point out wars made by religion.
2018-03-13 18:37
Firstly religion had nothing to do with world war 2 at all or i don't exactly understand what do you mean by being part of x? Secondly you don't even read what i've wrote or you even didn't understood it do i have to repeat it all over again? :p
2018-03-13 18:43
#70
nitr0 | 
Brunei shrxtz 
What I meant was that they deeply belived in god, prayed alot yet they died like everyone else. But your right I missed your point. Of course wars are made by humans and humans only yet so many wars were driven because of religion, It's just a tool of course yet it exists and in every historical war religion is taking part in them I'm sure without it there would be much less madness and slaughters. But we will never know. By being X I mean so called god.
2018-03-13 19:03
That's an metaphysical question and it's impossible to answer on that question since it's metaphysical, Why so many jews were killed in ww2 where was god that's what you mean i guess, So yeah and i'm not making and never did make any claims of existence of metaphysics, Regards to religion being simply just bad, How about no? Okay in my first post i made case that religions like Christianity are self-evidently anti-war, anti-violence, There is a old testament but there is also new testament witch is an up date you can think that way, So my first question is how in religions like Christianity that are anti-war and stuff i mean how can you say that wars are made because of religion when religion itself is againts war right? Then i provided evidence that people go to war and people war regardless of religions and after religions for example millions of people died in 20st century and that was most atheistic century ever then also i said that people still war but yet no religion is cause of any war except maybe islam witch i agree is a problem and islam is clearly a cause of wars for the religious purposes but i'm arguing that other religion aren't because those religions are anti-war if people were killing each other because of it they were not really following their religion then i said that people kill each other no matter what and there is deep biological reasons to think and we also know why some people get fanatical about their beliefs and that is not true only for religion but that is true for all sets of beliefs that is not religious but political, take a look feminist, Sjw types for example or crazy leftists, So okay religion being tool to control people, Well that is also wrong because more we study nature and human beings more we understood that billions of people just literally everybody before 18st century were religious so that is also very interesting you see, Religion is not man made up in the way you think, it's man made up but not to control other people or something like that that is just stupid theory, Religions is a lot deeper then that, Religion is deeply evolutionary, That's why religion exists and existed in every single culture it's universal look if you want to learn more about that in details pm me and i will provide a good source for that but let me jump in to other thing i disagree that world would be a better place with out religion i think that is just an insane thing to say, i'm very tired now but fuck it, nietzsche said " god is dead and we have killed him and we are never going to find enough water to wash away his blood." and he clearly stated that because of the death of god millions of people will die in 20st century because of the rise of new idealogies and rise of nihilism, He clearly said that religion is something that whole culture is based on when it;s gone there is nothing to stand on so everything will fail he believed that and people like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn confirmed that you know? that's why nietzche is regarded as a genius and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn stated "Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." i know that's a poor explanation but pm and will send some good stuff to explain everything i said in the details.
2018-03-13 19:35
#78
nitr0 | 
Brunei shrxtz 
"Religion is not man made up in the way you think, it's man made up but not to control other people or something like that that is just stupid theory." In Poland religion and churches are used to boost votes for parties, especially for one and I'm sure It's not only happening in Poland, churches are made just to collect money and so called christians are going there every sunday just to show up and to mark that down. We killed God? Well thats good we as human species are going forward not backward now lets burn all the churches and we can finnaly call ourself inteligent species. And what about church as the organisation you gonna defent it aswell? "So my first question is how in religions like Christianity that are anti-war and stuff i mean how can you say that wars are made because of religion when religion itself is againts war right?" But being X said go and spread my word, humans did that in some way, that words were driving so many slaughters just because someone was beliving in other god or none. The church because of that was ruling almost everyone. Thats what I hate the most that church made religion to control people and and whole nations.
2018-03-13 20:38
Firstly let me give a good example why religion gas deep evolutionary roots people like Carl Jung figure out that in 20st by studying mythology and religions, i have argument with other guy other day about same thing so i made same point so i will copy paste that, Reason why this religious stories exist over other religious stories is because this stories mean something deeper to us humans, i can give you one example from story of adam and eve which is deeply and has a lot to say i mean if you think that religion is stupid and unintelligent you don't understand it, let me start now, So basically story is deeply evolutionary and i'm glad that you responded btw, So firtly i got this story from JBP is professor but i think he isn't now but anyway and he got this from the book called "The Fruit, the Tree, and the Serpent" by Lynne A. Isbell she's great scinetists, So she discovered that reasons that human beings have such a good vision is that human beings coevolved with snakes, And for the same reasons that we see colors is that we are fruit eating mammals, We were living on the trees and we were eating fruits, So we Split from the chimps maybe like 8 millions years ago, And there is a difference between homo female and the chimp female mamels, Differents is that chimp woman never rejects chimp males but that is not true to humans, Woman homo species always rejected males and that is one of the things that made us self-conscious, So let's go back to book of genesis, There is a fruit tree and there is a snake on it and god tells to adamn to not eat from the tree or he will die, So what is happens next is that eve tooks adam to tree "woman" tells him to eat from that tree (i will stop you there and will remind you that whole point of the story is coming of man to self-conscious) this story explains how human beings became self-conscious and this story happened to be a true, So this is why in this story are reflected woman, snake and the fruit, So when snake tells them to eat from this tree of the knowladge of the good and evil and aslo tells them that they are not gona die but they will be like god himself, Adam and eve really eat fruit from that tree so what is happened next? They were ashamed that they were naked and hide it from each other, Then god comes along and tells them that why they eat from the tree becasue god said to not to from that tree or they will die, So what's happened? Adam and eve disvoered that they will die, So how? So human beings are only spesies that know that they are going to die, When we became self-conscious we gone crazy and that is where history started in the bible so as in real life, i hope i was enough clear about this issue, Maybe i didn't really explained as good as it was explained to me but i tried my best i will give some link and more interesting stuff about religions, That is why stories of adam and eve are reflected not only in judaism but in all sorts of other traditions same applies to the flood and to the dragons, There is same evolutionary reasons to this stories and this stories exist because they are most deep stories about humankind, for us this stories means more to us then anything and they are true, symbolicly, because religious langauge it's symbolical and if you really want to learn more about that as i said in previous comment read the jung, And you said that religion stops humans to progressig but that is not true, religion is what got us to this day and when we lost it in 20st ceuntry millions of people died because of that and people like nietzsche predicted that long time ago before everything happened he said "god is dead and we have killed him and never gonna find enough water to wash away his blood" and he clearly stated that million of people will die becasue of death of god but i don't want to get into this i think i said enough. It's time for you guys to stand up and take an issue seriously i clearly made a case that millions of people died because of lose of the same religion and people like nietzsche and dostoyevsky predicted that 40 years before, So let me jump into other point that i make time and time again but you seem to ignore it, So christianity (New testament) Self-evidently is a peaceful book it's commends not to kill and to stole and it's commends to be nice and love each other and don't kill each other, So regards to people killing other people to spread let's say Christ's word, Well i will say firstly that Christ not commends to kill to spread his word, Secondly is point that i'm making over and over again is that human beings are by nature violent and nothing you can do about that as i said many times before people are killing each other regardless of religion,politics, etc, They are killing each other over everything every time and Christianity and other peaceful religions are no exception and you cannot put your fingers on specific religion because problem is deeper then that, Do you think that for example last 2 thousand years would be much better if there was no religion and rational atheists should rule the world? Fuck no, We have it already 20st century was worst, You can self-evidently see now that religion has nothing to do with wars, conflitcs, So tell why is that? why? people are rational right now right? a better? how about no and if it has something to do with religion then it's islam and i think that islam is big problem, So problem with islam is that they didn't got their archetypal here right, For example christians have christ who was man of peace samd is true to buddhists but they got muhammad one wonder why there is so many terrorist attacks now days because of them, To shortly put is that muhammad was a bad man and he killed a lot of people and he is not very good example to have as father figure to imitate, Also btw being christian is means to imitate christ therefor do a good things and stuff like that you got my point and i don't care if people didn't do that in history, Most ironic part in all of this is that whole western civilization is based on judeo-christianity and on it's principles and laws and you are using rights that it gave you to criticize it, nietzsche called people like you "critics of what they were created from" something like that, So overall my point is that it's time to take god-damn biology seriously and give up that stupid hatred towards your culture, all this sjws, feminists, crazy leftists are driven to think that culture is corrupted and we should destroy it, That is stupid beyond belief and they are send by their professors to protest and west their time for their stupid marxism that killed millions of people in 20st century, So we should take all the problems seriously. Oh and it's only a evil religion who controls people and their political views lmao not at all so please man that isn't serious discussion, I actually said 3 times more then this text is but you have to understand what i'm talking about, So yeah.
2018-03-14 03:48
Also #173 is partly answers other part of your question.
2018-03-14 04:47
#65
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Other Noobskills 
Religion is merely a tool, just like race ethnicity is to justify war
2018-03-13 18:48
Lmao, No, Look back in the medieval times when christianity was most important thing that people had it was just like "i am proud of this thing (Christianity)" and when i go to war i should glorify this, Why people go to war? because they go to war, That's what people are, he (DREAMTH) clearly made clear case in #42 and #55
2018-03-13 18:54
#67
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Other Noobskills 
I dont see how this is not compatible with what I was saying
2018-03-13 19:00
xD
2018-03-13 19:02
#69
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Other Noobskills 
Don't xD me xD
2018-03-13 19:02
correction for atheism is = church of hltv
2018-03-13 18:03
Topic of religion is a source of stupid argues, we can believe or not, but so many ppl don't care if they've insulted someone. Pls respect each other
2018-03-13 18:05
I'm pastafarian
2018-03-13 18:12
Vote Spiritual.
2018-03-13 18:33
#52
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Netherlands CaptainMarten 
I'm not religious, why exclude me?
2018-03-13 18:16
+1. I felt put aside too (;_;)
2018-03-13 18:25
WESG - Tier 2 or tier 3? strawpoll.com/yck992sp ----------------------------------------------------- Who will win WESG 2018? strawpoll.com/5d6d28yz
2018-03-13 18:26
#81
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Romania Vladootzz 
atheist
2018-03-13 20:47
Ietsist
2018-03-13 20:52
JUDE RAUS
2018-03-13 20:57
I think when we die there is nothing
2018-03-13 21:15
Are you jewish, coming from Israel ? If yes, I have a question : how can you still believe in God after he let the Shoah happened ?
2018-03-13 21:23
Read the torah (or the ancient testament), you will see that God is not really a nice guy (and it worth for Christian/muslims too).
2018-03-13 21:29
I read it. This was a genuine question on how do they perceive such horrible things when their god is supposed to be almighty, just and merciful... most of the victims were true believers, innocent and even a lof of children. Doesn't it prove his non-existence ? I definitly agree that the biblical god is a douche, real or not.
2018-03-13 22:37
How do you know they were true believers or innocent? Even priests can be pedophiles. Just remember that God killed 99% of the living thing on Earth just because he was pissed by some humans during the Downpour, so 40% of total jews people is not big of deal compared to this. This being said, there is always this "the voice of the Lord are inscrutable" or that innocent children you are talking about have been allowed to go to heaven without having a long life of suffering. Also, some zionists said that Shoah allowed them to get their deserved land just like slavery in Egypt did for Moses followers.
2018-03-13 22:49
Why do you think they were not ? I don't have any proof but it seems logical to me. They were hunted for being from this confession. It was 70 years ago when religion where much stronger and even now Jews tend to be more traditional and strict in their beliefs Also some researches shown that religion was even stronger in the camps. And if you believe that 5-6 millions Jews were pedophile or bad people, even child and newborns... I wont waste my time debating with you. Are you a holocaust apologist ? Your words sound pretty insensitive...
2018-03-13 23:00
I guess you are baiting or just idiot. Where did I said it was what I thought ? It is from a god perspective, coz it is what you ask "how god could let it happens" not how I let it happens. As far as I know I'm not God. Just look what God did (according to their believes), by just reading the third lane of my comment to far more % of the people in days where religions were even more important than during the 40's and including babies too.
2018-03-13 23:06
You started your answer by questionning whether Jews deserved it or not. Sorry if I found that assertion borderline anti-semitic, intentional or not. You edited it after posting, not my fault if I can't read it in times lol. During the Downpour, God said to Noah that him and his own were the only pure beings in the world so it's a bit different. But yeah, It's true that there were more lethal events in the Bible. Though, why would only the Jews by hit then ? What about all the others bad people and believers ? This makes no sense as a divine punishment.
2018-03-13 23:12
It does, remember that non believers are doomed to hell anyway, so any punishment during life remain nicer than this. 4 years of death camp is nicer than eternity of worst death camp named hell. And again, 4 years of death camp is still nicer than hundreds years of slavery during Egypt. From God point of view (i say it since you don't remember your question), this is not a big deal. But a good way to split between true believers and quitters. And fyi, not only jews were sent to death camps.
2018-03-13 23:18
This doesn't make any sense. How is losing in cruel circumstances all your loved ones not the worst thing that can happens ? You have to be mentally challenged if you think otherwise. I know a lot of believers, in fact one of my ex's mother was pastor but even them knew that family > anything and that the present life is the most important thing. True and the fact that not only Jews were sent to death camps make the divine argument even less credible. Wtf have jews and bolcheviks in common for God ? And why would he chose Hitler as his weapon ? LOL
2018-03-13 23:22
Not very different than jews and non jew like black (& non jew) Numids used by Egyptians into slavery. If some take cancer as a God trail, they don't say "hey but it is not the case since some atheist get cancer too". There is plenty of explanation people can find, for exemple, catholic are used to think "believer's faith are put in trail in this challenge, while non believers have a chance to find god during it". Generally speaking, God fill every blank there is by its very definition, so you can find an explanation to god's action (or non action in that case) every time. Because it is its definition. If you are atheist, a good way to get into believer shoes is to replace "random" or "I don't know" by "God".
2018-03-13 23:32
I can't agree with saying that the "mysterious will of God" is an explanation. It's just a trick to indoctrinate people whenever you don't know where you are going and can't rationalize shit. This trick don't work anywhere outside of religion... Fortunately scientists don't think that way otherwise the world would fall apart.
2018-03-13 23:41
A lot of scientists believe in god, there is no problem between searching how god's creations work and believing in god.
2018-03-13 23:43
Yet they never apply the God's rethoric in Science, because it doesn't work.
2018-03-13 23:45
They do, even Einstein v. Bohr remain a famous exemple. About quantum physics : Einstein : "God doesn’t play dice with the universe" Answer : "Who are you to tell what God can do?" And evolution of Quantum physics and its applications shown Einstein was wrong. Here is the same, from your side, God can't do something coz it is senseless for you. Meanwhile a believer acknowledge he can't understand why because he is not God himself.
2018-03-13 23:59
Anyway, I don't think we can find an agreement on this subject. There is a reason why atheists and theists are fighting each other for centuries over that question with no clear answer, right ? You gave very clever arguments though.
2018-03-13 23:49
I guess we will know which side is right at some point. When we will be dead. But I asked your questions about God's acting before. That's why I'm agnostic. I was just the Devil's advocate here.
2018-03-14 00:00
True. I guess I'm somewhere between atheist and agnostic. I'm 100% convinced that the biblical perception God is fake but I'm open to the idea of a superior being. At the same time, I don't really care about it : I believe that as long as it doesn't affect my life I have no reason to think about it so much, and that my current actions are what matters the most.
2018-03-14 00:05
I'm not asking for the god perspective though. As you said "the voice of the Lord are inscrutable" so it will be silly. I wanna know how can the believers still follow his rules, because either he doesn't exist or he is a fucking bitch.
2018-03-13 23:15
And I tell you what assumption true believers can make about his Will. If you want to understand the history of Hebrew religion (so every monotheistic religion we have today) and you are not fake flagging, I recommend you to read "L’Invention du monothéisme" by Jean Soler. It cover this very question (the wickedness of God) and many more.
2018-03-13 23:23
Nope, pas le genre à Fakeflag. I already heard of that book a few times. I guess I should really give it a try, seems like my kind of reading.
2018-03-13 23:46
That's a metaphysical question, So by definition it's unknowable why god lets this or that happened (if such a god exists) but we have to take a look at Religion and see what solution it offers regards to the problem of evil, So most of the religions say that life is fundamentally suffering, Well that is true and that is no suprise everyone knows that life is suffering, For example in the bible when god calls to abraham and offers to walk with him, Well abraham listens and he does everything what god says to him and god sends him in some specific place but Abraham doesn't really have a good time with it you know? god sends him but he still ends up in tyranny or somebody wanted to stole his wife and so on and so forth, My point is that people who wrote this stories they were very serious and they were dealing with a big problems like we do, That's why god in some sense is violent in the old testament because in some sense ancient jewish people were worshiping nature in some sense, it's very hard to explain but religon is also a deeply evolutionary that's why it's human universal and it deals with a lot of problems of human beings and offers solutions, Religion is some sense contains all the wisdom of the past, This religious stories that we have now are in some sense evolved to other stories that we had if that makes sense, So for example in Christianity to be a Christian it's means to take all the responsibility of the world, accept all the suffering of the world, take your cross on your shoulders and carry it on to the heals and by doing that maybe you even will make a world better place, Religious solution to that problem is to accept world for what it is and carry on, Buddhist say that life is suffering and life is, If you are not going to accept world how it is and if you are not going to accept human beings as a good, Well then good like that an road to hell (metaphoricly speaking) If you will turn off on nature and being itself you will become nihilistic, ruthless, resentful and brutal, If you are not going to accept world as good if you are not going to accept people good instead of evil, You will end up thinking that human beings are all cause and problems of the world and they are so bad that we should blow up the whole earth, Yes that's why mass school shooting is happening in USA, This people don't see way out of their terrible lifes and they turn against everything (there is no meaning in life everyone is asshole and mean to me, human beings are bad, Why should i late them will? there is no point in my life and it's shit so i will take everyone else with him) See that's what they think that's what happened in 20st century when millions of people died in soviet union and mao's china and nazi germany for those people only motivation was to kill and destroy why? because life is miserable and better if it's never existed but no religion offers different solution it's say to pick up your own god-damn suffering and bear it because you can and it's a lot more better then to not do that, Now you are one who is one the cross so deal with it accept it and by that you even can transform it and even make world a better place that's an religous message.
2018-03-14 04:23
#115
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United Kingdom VeryTeaGuy 
All religion is shit. End of story, ty for reading.
2018-03-13 21:29
Way more people are atheist than would ever care to admit it in real life.
2018-03-13 21:32
#289
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United Kingdom Dave2303 
Athiesm is the norm, at least in the developed world, since when are people afraid of admitting they're athiest?
2018-03-14 12:33
I'm agnostic. Idc.
2018-03-13 21:33
Atheists rule baby
2018-03-13 21:35
#123
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Brazil RmM_oo 
"Superstition ain't the way" - Wonder, Stevie.
2018-03-13 21:38
agnostic atheist which means i dont know if god exists but if he does/not it doesnt affect me in any way and i dont care
2018-03-13 21:40
Apatheism
2018-03-14 11:37
not entirely correct although i don't believe in god and his abilities i cant be sure if he does exist or not
2018-03-14 15:30
HLTV full of edgy "god doesn't exist, im the smartest" kids, what a surprise....
2018-03-13 21:43
you seem to have ego problem
2018-03-13 21:48
Truth hurts? That's sad but not at all.
2018-03-13 21:48
it seems like you have replied to a different comment? there literally is no continuity or relation from 1st comment to this one
2018-03-13 21:50
B U T T H U R T
2018-03-13 21:51
you seem like a very reasonable person, really gives your opinion a value
2018-03-13 21:53
Ow sorry, I thought I could have an opinion on religion. But ofcourse you know better than me...
2018-03-14 12:13
ikr?
2018-03-14 14:01
ja
2018-03-14 14:14
Identify as Christian because modern day atheism is associated with liberalism which is the scum of society
2018-03-13 23:15
+1
2018-03-14 12:07
Atheist, Earth wasn't created by God and Big Bang wasn't sparked by God it was an accident, just like you.
2018-03-13 23:45
bing bang was accident xDDDDDDDDDDDD
2018-03-13 23:49
Atheist since i was 11, bad Christian before.
2018-03-13 23:55
I believe in god or something thats beyond us, but i dont go to church nor pray
2018-03-13 23:56
#170
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North America noahborel 
following religion in 2k18 OMEGALUL
2018-03-14 03:56
grow up and try to find the right way. because the way you are in is full of satanism
2018-03-14 04:07
#172
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North America noahborel 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Atheists are satanists btw" why are rational religious ppl so rare OMEGALUL
2018-03-14 04:08
He did not say anything about atheists or atheism.
2018-03-14 10:59
Any religion is wrong way. Mainstream Christianity is not far from satanism though.
2018-03-14 10:59
true.
2018-03-14 12:04
#174
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
I respect those religious and those who choose to live a life believing a religion, but personally I believe in the science and the laws of the universe, not an omnipresent character in a book. Thank for keeping a topic like religion as respectful as possible. :) Have a good day.
2018-03-14 04:25
#175
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Russia NJM 
add this pls i`m Siscon!
2018-03-14 04:29
#194
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Switzerland veach 
satanist
2018-03-14 11:01
#231
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World ZMDR 
Only 11% of HLTV are capable of thinking for themselves.
2018-03-14 11:28
fuck religions
2018-03-14 11:49
#258
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Turkey AYAYAClap 
EZ Atheism
2018-03-14 11:50
#265
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Sweden TDK Em1L 
1 turkish guy b8 entire hltv in this thread eksde But I understand why I also almost got triggerd by the little I read
2018-03-14 12:01
#291
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Brazil Genghis ban 
hard to tell whether he is bating or not tbh
2018-03-14 12:35
#366
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Sweden TDK Em1L 
thats why its a good bait
2018-03-14 19:42
where is the helicopter religion option?
2018-03-14 12:11
#290
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United Kingdom Dave2303 
Im surprised by the amount of religious people tbh.
2018-03-14 12:34
glad to see you seperated agnostics from atheists. so many idiot atheists i encounter thinks agnostics and atheist the same smh
2018-03-14 13:10
#317
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Poland axmar1 
ofc I'm Christian Catholic,
2018-03-14 13:11
#319
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Turkey 0vercast 
only 14 deist ? really ?
2018-03-14 13:13
#344
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Serbia serious_ 
Not sure if Godnijo is trolling, or quite possibly the dumbest person on this forum.
2018-03-14 13:52
#351
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Australia Mosski 
Religion is beneficial in a lot of ways as it helps people in need and educates people on morals but you don't need to be religious to have morals. I respect religions but some need to change to adapt to the 21st century. I'm atheist by the way :)
2018-03-14 14:04
Agnosticism has to do with knowledge. As such, it can be combined with any belief (or lack thereof). So it should be in a separate and optional category. Could be mandatory if paired with gnosticism. If strawpoll doesn't allow that then you could just remove it from the list alltogether.
2018-03-14 14:21
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