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PROPOSAL 2.0: New Rules and ToW.
Sweden gayvela 
First of, this is just a proposal. This is not the new rules of the HLTV forums. This is my second proposal, the 2.0. In this 2.0 there has been some minor changes to the both the netiquettes and the rules (minor changes compared to my previous proposal of course). But together with the rules I propose a change to the site called "Transparency of work"(ToW) . It's pretty straightforward and will mostly work as a one-way communication from the moderators to the users. This will be brought up in detail in the later part of this post, after the rules. I sincerely hope you take your time to read it all. As with the previous proposal on the rules this will follow 2 different groups: Netiquette, Rules. Lets start with the Netiquette. The netiquettes are supposed to be used when starting a thread, following them will ensure a more pleasant usage of the site for everyone. Netiquette: A thread will be removed if it doesn't comply with the netiquettes, no matter the content of the thread. 0.1 Starting a thread and deciding where to post: Do not start a new thread if there is already a suitable thread. Be sure to post your thread in the correct sub forum. Your post should be related to the topic the forum is about. *Attention: Some topics can be discussed multiple times without it be considered abuse. But if there already are 1-3 topics surrounding a recent tweet or something similar, made by a pro player, known person or such, there is no need for 1 more. 0.2 Title: The threads title should give a true and fair view of what the thread is about. If the post is essentially a question, the title will end with a question mark. 0.2 a) 18+/NSFW: If the original post in a thread contains mature content or is not suitable for work, it will contain a tag clearly stating so in the beginning of the title. Unneccessary tags of such are dealt with the rule 1.10a. 0.3 Cross-posting: Don’t post a topic in different sections of the forum at the same. Netiquette ends here so lets get to the second part of this proposal, the rules. Rules: Any user who violates any of the rules as follows risks warning, limited or permanent banning. 1.0 Repeat breaking of the netiquettes: A user that over and over find themselves not being able to comply with the netiquettes, will be banned. 1.1 Actions of the Moderators: Unless the topic is about the Moderators, where they are the one’s being asked question, don’t question whether specific comments were removed in a thread. Such comments will be removed as are breaking the rule 1.2. If question still arise why your post were removed, the question should be sent in a PM to the Moderator. 1.2 Off-topic: Post that clearly are off-topic is a bannable offense, and will removed without motivation or a heads up. 1.3 Advertising: Private or commercial ads, such as buy, sell or exchange ads, posts containing advertisements or posts with other content that the user earns money or other benefits on, is prohibited. *Attention: This would also mean that post about streams or such, in a purpose of advertising, could be removed and punished. Would be up a moderator to decide whether the thread is suitable. 1.4 Racism and contempt: It is forbidden to threaten or express contempt for particularly vulnerable groups, with racial, skin, national or ethnic origin, creed or sexual orientation. 1.5 Pornography: 1.5 A) 18+/NSFW content: Any reply or post will contain the information that they intended for mature audience or NSFW, ONLY if they are. Unneccessary tags of such are dealt with the rule 1.10a. 1.5 B) Child pornography: It is forbidden to request or distribute links to pornographic images or movies with people under the age of 18. 1.6 Users anonymity: To on the forums threatening of posting, post, or PM personal data or other information, intentionally revealing another users identity is prohibited. Except for such information as the user themselves has already published in the forum. Linking users alternate accounts or accounts to other forums or sites is prohibited. 1.7 Alternative accounts: The abuse of alternative accounts is prohibited. In case of shutdown, it is only allowed to use the forum to discuss its shutdown with a moderator or admin. 1.8 Personal attacks: Violent personal attacks, harassment, threats or harmful threats directed against other users are prohibited. 1.9 Viruses or other malicious code: Spreading links to computer viruses or other malware is prohibited. 1.10 Unreasonable abuse: 1.10 a) Baiting. 1.10 b) Spamming. 1.11 c) Repeatedly writing in any language that isn't English. All of these are a bannable offense and will be dealt with. 1.11 Disobedience: Ignoring repeated warnings will result in a ban. 1.12 False rumor: Spreading false rumors about persons, companies or other organizations with the intent to expose them to dissatisfaction of others, or to intentionally spread distorted or false information with intent to mislead, is not allowed. 1.13 Languages: This is an international site, always write your comment in English. Comments in another language will be deleted, and the user risks getting banned by the rule 1.10c. And here ends the rules. Now lets get going with a whole new part of the proposal, the part of "Transparency of work". It's supposed to be implemented with the new rules, but it can be implemented on its own (without any new changes to the rules) but would greatly favour all changes submitted in this post. This will bring easy of access to why a user got banned, some changes to the site, show when a moderator have been active in a thread, and some discussion on how these bans are supposed to be dealt with. To more easily understand how it will work, an explanation will be written and then an image showing how it could look like. First of, a new section of the forums will be implemented under the section "HLTV.org" named "HLTV.org Bans". All users are free to browse this section but in this section, only moderators can post, and it will only contain posts about users who have been banned. It will show what user got banned, why the user got banned, which moderator banned a user (so it's easier for the user to PM the specific moderator for any questions). imgur.com/a/qoidc Inside a thread we will find any information related to the ban. This can show a timeframe, what comment related to the ban, and such. I would highly recommend that any ban longer than something like 6+ months, have somewhat of an explanation. This would mean that the same rule, say 1.10b (spamming), could give anything from 3 days, to 6+ months. But lets say a 3 day ban would only contain the information '1.10b', not showing what comments was spammed. While a 6+ months ban by the same rule '1.10b', could contain the information 'excessive spam', showing that spamming could give a much greater penalty depending on different factors. These factors can be, how much spam it was, previous bans, or if it was (let's just say) light racism being spammed, for example. This could also show that if 1.10b was the main reason that got a user banned, but inside the thread we something like "1.10b, 1.4" and by that we see that spamming racism is not allowed, and we can expect a longer timeframe on the ban, on that specific user. imgur.com/a/p2YBv And now for the last part of the ToW, being able to show that a moderator have been active in the thread. I'm not 100% sure about this function, but I kinda like it, anyways lets get on with it. With a function a moderator can 'flag' a specific thread, this flag could be something like a exclamation mark appearing, giving us a dropdown-menu (similar to mailbox) giving us the option to go directly to the response or responses of a moderator in the thread. In this picture, we can easily see the reply, but sometimes when there are 100+ comments, it's not that easy to find that specific comment in a thread. This would give moderators the option to not only warn the users whose comments got deleted, but also all other users that if the thread is continuing down the same path again, more serious punishment will probably wait around the corner. Also the flag and response from a moderator in a thread, will also give users the ability to with more confidence know what moderator to PM if they don't understand why their comment got removed. imgur.com/a/EXYKB For example: A thread gets flagged, there is a response of the moderators, and all users who decided to go off-topic, got a 3 day ban. 20 minutes after the thread gets flagged, a user decides to join in and unleash a whole bunch of shit in the thread. The user in question then gets a longer ban, 10 days maybe instead. I do think that sometimes it would be easier to just purge a whole thread and remove it, but I still felt like this function could serve some purpose and decided to run with it in this proposal. And this was everything on the transparency of work. To end this, I will do a Q and A on things I imagine would come up. Q: TL;DR? A: No, sorry. Q: What is the purpose of all this? A: More clear rules, less confusion, and showing the work that goes behind parts of the forums. I do honestly think that clearly showing that users do get banned, is a good way to prevent other users of following down the same path. Q: Do you want more bans? A: Contrary to what people might believe, I would rather see less or shorter bans. Instead of banning accounts for lifetime, with the same user coming back with the same bad behaviour on a new account, I would rather see shorter bans like 3-10 days. But instead them followed by a (lets say) 1+ month of good behaviour from the user. But if that doesn't work, well lifetime ban might be appropriate. I wanna say thank you to the people who left a comment in my previous proposal, it has lead up to these changes being made and also the idea behind the ToW. Any ideas, thoughts or questions about it all, please leave a comment! Kind regards. HLTV.org has the full rights to use some, all, or edit this text and use it as they want.
2018-03-15 18:12
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Lithuania gime114 
Q: TL;DR? A: No, sorry. Stopped reading there
2018-03-15 18:13
that is pretty far in though
2018-03-15 18:16
Me too
2018-03-15 18:18
xd
2018-03-15 18:14
#3
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United States eldrexe 
Tldr
2018-03-15 18:14
If power were given to me, I would ban you for not properly summarize it with tl;dr
2018-03-15 18:15
Sounds to me like 2.1 is already in the working! Posts with more than 500 words demands a TL;DR. Unfortunately I find no good way to summarize it, sometimes you have to read it all :)
2018-03-15 18:31
stupid
2018-03-15 18:20
tl;dr
2018-03-15 18:21
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Well the message from the previous iteration remains the same: hltv.org/forums/threads/1680268/proposal.. Deserves a bump and a mention. The rule need refining in my opinion, but I think the problem lies with the HLTV administration Staff being FAR too lenient in their actions... This can be for better or for worse, but it's never a bad thing to review the sites T's & C's, as well as official rulings. I like this iteration better than your other thread because it's definitely more refined in accordance to specific nuances within the site itself. Granted all we can do is suggest and express our opinions to the HLTV Staff in the hopes they will listen to us. Remember full-well that this is their site and they can do what they like with it. However I'm sure they have no qualms with intelligent users wanting to help make the site a better place. :) I always enjoy interacting with users on other forums I work on and I'm sure the H:TV Staff are in the same boat. The boring stuff aside, your actual threads suggestions is essentially, extremely strict. Whilst I like this method of administration in comparison to leniency, it's still a little daunting to some people. But-- hey - maybe that is what users need? Who am I to state otherwise? I'm pretty busy at the moment given I don't have a lot of time on my step-dads PC, so I will reply furthermore at a later date going through your entire thread (provided it isn't locked/deleted), friend. I figured I would leave a reply here just to let you know I read it, I love the idea of helping HLTV grow and I apologise I cannot post anymore in regards to your thread. Have a good day, gayvela. :)
2018-03-15 18:49
And as with my previous thread, I'm glad you liked this one too and gave your point of view on it :) After my first proposal, I spent some time in the comments reading what could be changed and so on, also I gave it a whole lot more thought and tried to work out a far better version of the rules and here we are. I can agree and say that this one might appear to be more strict but I mean, most rules stated in this thread 'kinda' already exist on the forums. It's just that in this thread I spent some time to break it down in a way that it's more clear to see what could be allowed and not. And of course some people misinterpreted this proposal and see it as I want to change this forum to some family friend forum, but what I really want to achieve is just an easier way for communication, not having all those "why did my comment get removed??" threads, and a simpler way for users to clearly see what rules they have broken and such. I wanna say that it could be so much more simpler (even if I don't know how hard implementing these improvements would be) if these 'small' changes were to be added to the site. But it is to be decided by them if any of these stuff is to be added on the site, time will tell I guess. Anyway, thanks again for your respons! Have a good day you too Jonty!
2018-03-15 19:52
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Absolutely. :D It's truly a shame those who require a TL:DR and whilst I supposed it's obligatory polite to add one for excruciatingly long pieces of text, this one isn't really long enough to need one at all. Post #12 also makes a valid point. :) Let's hope HLTV can work something out to at least adapt the rules a tad. :D
2018-03-15 19:55
#12
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Iceland _natas_ 
You put some time and thought behind it, and i think hltv would benefit on the rules because of the bad reputation the forum is giving the site. But, hltv wont do shit about the forums. It brings in visitors and visitors = advertisement = money. I am a shamed of having an account on hltv.org and i would never tell a irl friend about it. Not that i am a shamed about loving cs:go. I just dont want nothing to do with this 4chan mirror of community. 8/10 for the effort but nothing will never change. Let hltv.org be a mirror of 4chan, who gives a fuck.
2018-03-15 18:56
I sure did, I'm glad it shows. I think that by adding more clear rules, it could really be a facelift of the site. For me adding clear rules doesn't equal 100+ more removed threads or bans, from my POV it looks more serious. And adding that wouldn't in my mind be hard (since most is already written down in this thread). The ToW on the other hand is a whole other thing, would probably only be good if it could be automated of sort, maybe that could be hard to add. Anyways, thanks for your input!
2018-03-15 20:08
#13
China o_O 
why the fuck are you tryharding hltv lmao
2018-03-15 18:58
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Romania rainGODtop1 
who?
2018-03-15 19:56
#17
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Japan 0x0 
1.6 is a dumb rule i cant say oskar is secretly 40 years old?
2018-03-15 20:03
xDDDDD > Hltv without off-topics xDDDD > Hltv without personal attacks like here are too many people who can communicate without insults > Hltv without racism If admins would ever ban for every racist comment, 90% of users were already banned. Even guys with french/swedish flags are usually racists, what are you talking about? > FLAG OFFENSIVE THREADS OH MY GOD AYYYYY FUCKING LMAO, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Don't make your safe space here, thank you very much, have a good day, kind regards.
2018-03-15 20:06
Well pretty much everything you bring up already is covered by the rules that are in place right now, and well, none of it is pretty much allowed. This proposal is just an example of clear rules. On the point of 'flag offensive threads', I think you misunderstood everything about it. This flag you are talking about, is a way of showing that moderators already have been active in the thread, removing comments that broke the rules, weird? No. This flag would more serve as a last warning for the users "continue (for example) racism in this thread and we will no longer just remove these comments, you will get banned instead", don't think that seems to out of the ordinary.
2018-03-15 20:21
1.3 Advertising: Private or commercial ads, such as buy, sell or exchange ads, posts containing advertisements or posts with other content that the user earns money or other benefits on, is prohibited. *Attention: This would also mean that post about streams or such, in a purpose of advertising, could be removed and punished. Would be up a moderator to decide whether the thread is suitable. Can I advertise my channel if I don't earn money from it?
2018-03-15 20:10
As mentioned in the *Attention, that would be up to the moderators to decide. But yeah lets say if you post your stream and get viewers for that, it could be seen as you are benefiting on it. Actually it is hard to say, that rule could need somewhat of a change maybe if it were implemented.
2018-03-15 20:26
tl:dr
2018-03-15 20:10
TL;DR: Ban everyone for everything
2018-03-15 20:12
nice thank you. Sounds like the german gouverment LUL
2018-03-15 20:12
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Brazil RmM_oo 
Tryin to cut off my free speech holmes?
2018-03-15 20:13
If you do have serious point in were this proposal is cutting of your free speech, please be so kind and refer to the specific rule in this proposal that does that!
2018-03-15 20:30
#28
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Cambodia Libtard 
bump
2018-10-31 13:24
So.. wheres the blog? they got rid of it since they changed hltv layout for more betting ads.
2018-10-31 13:32
First, this topic has been dead for a couple of months. Discussed and linked to it in another discussion and it got bumped. Don't really know what you are on about with the blogs, but will answer your question anyway. IIRC, blogs got heavily abused and thus removed. And AFAIK not a feature they intend to bring back.
2018-10-31 13:41
#31
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Lithuania gime114 
wtf 7 month old post and I am the #1, don't even remember opening this.
2018-10-31 13:46
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