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Just recently win Fnatic 2 tournaments and now hes going to get kicked #savegolden he deserve better
+1 everyone overhyping him when hes nt even the reason why fnatic are winning infact he being hardcarried by the rest for months. enough is enough 1year and he shows no sign of improvement better get a replacement for long term success
Golden was the perfect pick up for fnatic. They didn't need more firepower, they just needed a new brain with new blood that could lead the team differently. Also your argument doesn't make sense as xizt is a poor fragger and he is not really a better igl as his style is not working nowdays as you saw in nip. Oh and btw, xizt long term success HAHAHA
its alright time will tell just see if any decent team bother to get golden or he will just be forgotten in the scene and never ever win another tournament again.
there no other players for them to get currently. i rather give xizit a second chance and maybe he will shine once again than golden depsite being 1year with fnatic he just get worse over time.
cause fnatic realise they cant rely on flusha or others to go god mode every single tournament to win games. they need a change u cant expect flusha to play same level as iem for the entire year.
he doing work just really inconsistent dude he the reason why they manage to win 16-14 on the last map. dude had 20 kills on the ct side alone
You cant be inconsistent if you are an AWP. One of the most expensive guns in the game. If 63% of the games you dong get kills with it what is the point of buying it. You could see liquid and c9 having a rough time with jdm and ska. Sure when they play well they are really good but most of the time they were underperforming.
but tbh jw been doing better without the awp he been winning duel with rifle more than the awp recently.
cause fnatic can rely on others to awp also. and the team chemistry between the core 3 is there u cant just simply replace jw with someone else
lekr0 is really gd with the awp also tbh. and recently fnatic playstyle revolve more around rifles than awp setup.
uk mentality always top notch axaxaxaxa
golden is the new pronax statswise
pronax has 3 Majors nt
results-wise retard
pronax has
1. the weakest major of all time because it was the first major of all time
2. 2 majors where he was generally considered to not really do much for the team because olofmeister, flusha, and JW were doing most of the work.
3. No other achievements worth mentioning.
Results of HIS impact is what I mean. And ever since Golden joined Fnatic 5 months ago, fnatic has been on a steady uptick from where they were before.
pronax was the one that got new players to help him wreck shit. Golden was the guy who came in and helped everything.
Still, 3 majors > 0 majors. Cry is free.
It's not my logic, it's your speculations. I said what I said and nothing more.
I said 3 majors > 0 majors and YOU implied that's all that matters.
What?
When?
I said golden has better results, as in he brought fnatic higher up from where they were than pronax did. That's what "results" means.
You curbed that by saying "pronax has 3 Majors nt"
Which is YOUR exact wording. Implying that those results don't matter, only the 3 majors pronax has matter.
Where did I imply that? I literally cannot find it, you must be imagining things in your funny little brain.
fnatic.golden has 2 titles
fnatic.pronax has 3 majors
It should be already enough to show that your statement "golden has better results" is wrong.
Result =/= titles
a great result for a team like BIG for example, is getting to the quarters of a big LAN event.
Fnatic has been nowhere near the level they are at right now since olofmeister got injured, and the only large change they've made in the last 6 months that resulted in this now large uptick in power was adding in Golden.
Golden took fnatic from a bottom of the top 10 to winning 2 substantial tournaments in 1 month. In one of them they beat the current HLTV top rated team twice in series, in the other they beat the reigning major champions in a bo1.
It's not just Golden coming in, you forget that the "carry performance" coming from flusha and KRiMZ is because they have given Golden 100% control over their team. They said so in an interview. Paraphrasing here but:
"We don't care that he has less experience, he doesn't need to worry about that with us, we will give Golden full control of our team"
So the incredibly good performances and victories are most likely a direct cause of that. Golden taking over.
If you only look at stats and say Golden's useless because he doesn't frag, you have no clue what he's actually doing in the team.
Obviously results are not only titles because even no good results = results anyway...
And I didn't say Golden has no impact in fnatic or anything like this.
Still, pronax has better results than Golden.
Win is win, stop whining.
What is "fluke"? I don't see C9 has any good results after Major.
If this is how you describe "fluke" then I don't see why you're whining about Gambit's Major win. Perhaps you hate Gambit or whatever and still mad because they won.
I don't care about Gambit, C9 and other shit tbh. I was arguing against your specific statement:
"results-wise he's better than pronax".
Which is obviously bullshit.
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Pronax/Resu..
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Golden/Resu..
The end of discussion I think.
Objectively Gambit's win was way more flukey. They only had to beat Immortals in the finals and their only difficult matchup was Astralis. In addition they were losing every scrim online and magically found form at the major. Seems irreplaceable
You mean subjectively?
No its facts buddy
Then C9 won Major only because FaZe choked and it's also a fact buddy.
Gambit played relatively weak teams fact
Gambitmlost every scrim fact
Faze choked Opiniona
Next time just tell:
everything what I say = fact
everything what someone else says = opinion
Its true?
How do you compare RESULTS then? I didn't say only titles matter btw, lol.
i.imgur.com/El98sVT.png
i.imgur.com/ZBupLXy.png
Now you shut up and go cry in the corner.
What did you mean by saying "Golden has better results than pronax" then? As far as I know pronax didn't play any tournaments in 2018.
Oh wait, that's why Golden has better results! Ok, I got your point now.
DUDE DONT EVER COMPARE PRONAX TO GOLDEN. pronax is a good igl that can actually call and do proper strats. golden cant call cant frag cant do shit. he been hard carried by the other 4 for months that why fnatic want to replace him. with how good the other 4 are playing now replace him with any other igl they will still be winning those games. golden is just a burden that fnatic have to play 4v5 every game and also pronax can actually clutch when needed winning those 1vX situation no way in hell golden does that when he whiff even the easiest shot.
You're implying by saying "golden cant call cant frag cant do shit" that golden has nothing to do with fnatic currently being good. And that adding him was actually a negative to the team.
How.
5-6 months ago, fnatic were scraping in at the bottom of the top 15. Trash results, no way they were gonna win anything. So they decide "okay we need a huge change"
They bring in this academy team IGL, because the academy team's doing really well. But they don't just bring him in to do the normal loose IGL'ing. No he has full control. The players said it themselves, they will give Golden full control.
That was 5 months-ish ago? And where are they now? Since the addition of Golden there has been a constant upwards trajectory for Fnatic. Cluminating in winning IEM beating the best team in the world twice in series. Fnatic were shitting the bed for months.
Oh and let's keep in mind. Pronax's 3 majors + a single EPL season 1 finals is all he has to his name. That's it.
Wanna talk someone who was carried? pronax did the bare minimum of IGL'ing in the 2 majors he won with olof and KRiMZ. And on top of that, the first major victory is generally considered a massive fluke.
that was 5 months ago did they win anything? have you even been watching fnatic recent 2months game their playstyle everything been changed they rely more on loose playstyle they rarely do executes compared to the 3months before and they have been getting much more success cause flusha lekr0 and krimz has been winning so many duels and entry fragging well. even jw occassionally just single handedly carry them. it got nothing to do with your so called golden igl strat.
pronax still better than golden golden time in fnatic i have seen him whiff easy shots more times than pronax in his entire career with fnatic. and pronax has managed to clutch rounds when needed on big stage winning 1vX situations but golden on the other hand lose them 1vX situations.
you like how the shit "feels" so you only believe in results that you see with your own eyes.
pronax has never in career history busted 1 HLTV rating as an average for a year.
golden has.
let's keep in mind pronax's career is 3x as long as Golden's with much more opportunities to do so.
golden lmao in 2016 when he is in a tier 3 or 4 team? while pronax been playing against tier 1 team majority of his career just look at golden stats past 3months when the other 4 improved so much he dropped from 0.95 to 0.86 must be a miracle why they are still winning events cause he been hard carried by the other 4 who are playing so much better in 2018 compared to 2017
hltv.org/stats/players/career/11110/Gold..
yeah because pronax spent all of 2017 playing against "tier 1"
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yeah no i get it, I hear endpoint might win the major in London, and Playing Ducks are the favorites for Dreamhack Marseille
dude i was refering to the pronax in fnatic era after the godsent shuffle he went to absolute shit even worse than golden. but pronax in fnatic is miles ahead of golden .
"pronax when he was barely IGL'ing is better than this guy with very little experience who's IGL'ing constantly"
yeah i see what you mean i have no idea why i argued that golden might actually be useful for the team I mean he's only doing IGL work ALL the time. Yeah let's kick him for this guy who got kicked from a team who can't even make it to a major qualifier qualifier.
u r funny guy , i remember u from ur funny talk haha
anyway ,pronax is now washed player , but in prime pronax > golden.
And ye i notice from posts before that u want to talking about things u dont know , u want to act like expert but u look like fool , please dont write stupid explenations about things we all see.
No way. Pronax is better player and he won 3 major while golden is always bottomfragging even against tier 5 team
So was pronax, and golden just knows he is not very skilled so most of the time he goes in front for the info
Amazing IGL imo
#XiztDeservesBetter
Xizt has been actual dog shit for the past 2 years
#kicktheautonoob
nah Fnatic deserved it. Just golden is autonoob.
Dude SS threw the game, but picking auto is ridiculous.
If you take Auto and get awpd it's pretty much game over. It's more like a ridiculous risk.
Not to mention that you can get rekt by an AK HS while playing with auto you are probably hitting body shots, SS are skilled enough to rekt an auto sniper even if they get tagged
JW missedbuy it and it could have fuck their economy actually so it wasnt a good move anyway
lol mad ss fangay
hltv.org/gallery/view/102250
poor golden :(
funny how he wanted to be GOLDEN but is still just SILVER auto noob
#kickbotdwarf
xizit is definitely a upgrade over golden. dude does nth just get carried.
golden didnt do shit for fnatic to win those tournament instead he been burdening the team so hard. fnatic realise that also that why they are replacing him they cant expect flusha to play god tier every single LAN just to barely win tournaments cause golden is so bad and fnatic always need to play 4v5. he almost cause fnatic to lose WESG also.
lmao his calls are bad. mid game calls arent even done by him. did u even watch fnatic games on t side they dont even rely on igl strat they just rely on their star player to entry frag to win rounds or go for those duels. most of the time when they try do executes they fail cause opponents always read golden strats and outcall him how many times have we seen golden throwing a round by leading the team to a stacked bombsite...
whatever ur just a delusional golden fan nvm time will tell lets see whether your wrong or i am. u wont be seeing golden in the scene much more after being repalced by xizit
Golden knows he is not skilled, he is usually the first one to go to make his players shine, he is a great igl imo
LMAO u havent been watching fnatic game have u? fnatic on t side golden always bait his teamamate and still unable to get the refrag. pls at least watch their matches b4 u try to hype up that idiot.
golden overrated been carried for months wont ever win another tournament with another team once he get replaced in fnatic mark my words maybe dont even have another chance to attend a LAN tournament cause no team will want to have him.
That doesn't mean jack shit there are many really good players that did nothing once they left their winning team.
Fnatic w/o golden was shit fnatic w/ golden won 2 tournaments that's the stats we have. You just base your judgement on your little feelings lul get real mate.
its alright its just beginning of 2018 just see what happens to fnatic and what happens to golden after the switch. my guess fnatic continue being a top5-10 team while no decent team will get golden and he get forgotten over time.
Bc there are no other decent swedish team maybe? Are you stupid or something?
Or maybe you removed Fan of Xist before going in this thread?
if hes so good as u guys say why wont other teams want him cant he join a international team? just face it cause everyone doenst want him. if hes so good he can get offer from nip etc
Nobody said he's so good AFAIK, everybody said he's better than Xist tho.
Also IGLs are not interchangeable like that they need to fit the playstyle of the players.
he just need to frag decently and they will be good to go.
better than in NiP for sure
golden is a bot
fnatic era confirmed with xizt
In an interview HeatoN and Olof stated that Olof was supposed to replace Fiffy in NiP back in the days. But NiP decided to give Fiffy a few more tournaments to see how it went. NiP played well and kept Fiffy and Olof went to Fnatic.
In hindsight this might (or might not... who knows) have been a bad move from NiP.
Now apply this logic to Xizt and Golden. What if they keep Golden because of recent performances and we look back in a few years and say "Daym, Fnatic should've really taken Xizt back then..."
Thoughts?
Personally I don't really care what happens. I like Xizt cuz #GONINJAS but i feel Golden is doing a great job in fnatic and deserves to be given a chance in the pro scene.
Yeah let's just spend our lives scared that we'll regret our decision.
Also that's a bad comparison Xist is washed out while Golden is still getting better, nothing like Fifflaren / Olof
Golden raplace get right in nip and be igl dennis support f0rest lurk rez entry draken awp
fnatic currently on a 14series win streak golden rating dropped from 0.95 to 0.86 hltv.org/stats/players/career/11110/Gold..
wow he must be really helping the team by being much more of a burden so the other 4 can shine more.
Golden fate is in WESG tho. they win WESG. so... i think Fnatic will keep him.
After all Fnatic decided to remove Golden a week before StarLadder i-League Season 4.
medium.com/@rushbpodcast/removing-the-golden-opportunity-7c33ba840ace
Btw, Golden is really great at calling tho.
I'm play with him before.
if anything wesg is a good reason why fnatic shuld replace him dude almost cause fnatic to lose that grand final against a tier 2 team. no way in hell will he do better against tier 1 teams on LAN.
Have you read KrimZ interview yet?
"Inferno now in the final we kind of threw away, that was just us getting cocky from leading 7-0. Throughout the whole tournament..."
and
"I think everyone was just pretty upset and mad from the Inferno game and we started feeling, maybe not the same "throw" feelings on Mirage, but similar."
golden nt landing his shots throughout the series going -22 agianst a tier 2 team must be he too cocky and tbh alll this interview they rarely say anything negative about others cause it affect their image.
even if u think golden needs replacing, WHY XIZT, hes at such a low in his career, maybe he needs to restart from the bottom
What probably happened:
cArn: hey Xizt, since you're not in nip anymore, wanna come back to fnatic for old time's sake? I'll kick golden for you.
Xizt: Cool, but I feel bad for golden. Besides, your team is doing great with him.
cArn: Hmm, yeah, you're right.... F**k that, you still wanna join?
Xizt: .................................................. okay.