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university = useless?
Switzerland fcb1893granit 
last month we hired two ppl for my dads company, one had a bachelor and the other even a master degree but now 1 month later both gone cuz both have no idea how to do shit. a degree does not say anything about the really important skills and abilities of the person. pls dont waste ur time in university if u have already planned a future in a non pharma,science,law job. thanks my dear friends.
2018-04-18 14:10
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Lithuania Paulius_CS 
connections most important
2018-04-18 14:11
If you don't have Master of Economics etc., you never will get to CEO of big company, that is just a fact. Basically all big-pay leadership positions require Master(s), just a fact. Of course if you make your own company, then you don't need any of them, but its very unlikely that you will earn over +10 000€ month like big bosses do
2018-04-18 15:01
trust me if i work my ass off 10-15 years 100% for the same company there is a bigger chance of me becoming CEO than a idiot with degree but 0 work hours.
2018-04-18 15:03
My fellow countryman, you are so wrong and delucional. Almost all my friends got MAster degree and they are doing leadership positions with great salary and people like you who don't have good education are _WAY BEHIND_ in career, I am 41 so I have seen where you get with good education and where you get without it.
2018-04-18 15:07
so u telling him if he works in finance or it he cant become ceo if he works long enough in that company? hmmmm right i forgot hltv is full of idiots that barely even finished school and are so brainwashed by society they believe a shitty paper matters.
2018-04-18 15:09
he is right though. you won't get in these positions without academic education. tell me 1 ceo of a market-listed company who has no degree. just 1
2018-04-18 15:45
"I didn't go to a prestigious university; in fact, I didn't even finish secondary school" -Richard Branson. IDK if he is still a CEO but he was once I think.
2018-04-18 15:57
yea that's right. facebook, microsoft founders and many other ex-startups haven't finished uni either. i thought this discussion was about climbing the career ladder and not founding a company. if you start somewhere as normal worker without degree or anything, you will never be able to climb to the top. that's what i meant
2018-04-18 16:04
most of those people who work really hard in someone's company quit at some point and start their own company, instead of going for CEO position. So they are left with the next best choice which are the people with really high educations
2018-04-18 18:06
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United States Spiies 
Yeah, I agree. I don't understand why people don't get this. Sure working hard and being a productive team member will get you promotions, but higher education raises your promotion ceiling. There's nothing wrong at all with not going to university. It's not for everybody and there are plenty of careers that simply don't require it. However, if being at the top of management or in a leadership position is your goal then investing in your own education is just common sense. Why would an organization want to invest more resources to groom a new leader that didn't invest in themselves first? They could invest less on average to groom a more equipped and educated employee.
2018-04-18 15:42
+1
2018-04-19 12:09
#134
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Netherlands HetIsPatat 
> My fellow countryman > IT.gif > MX.gif ???
2018-04-18 15:45
#148
Petra | 
Netherlands frussif 
hello my fellow countryman
2018-04-18 15:54
#159
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
hello my fellow countryman. blue, white, red, right?
2018-04-18 16:00
#160
Petra | 
Netherlands frussif 
hallo )))))) kak dela
2018-04-18 16:00
#165
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
sehr gut )))
2018-04-18 16:02
#153
s1mple | 
Japan sach^ 
fail reply. (ignore)
2018-04-18 15:57
no there is not, because it's necessity
2018-04-18 16:11
While there's some truth to your statement, it's definitely not as black and white as you describe it. There are a lot of exceptions.
2018-04-18 15:45
#142
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Estonia mr_abdul 
+1
2018-04-18 15:49
#154
s1mple | 
Japan sach^ 
This isn't really true, of course it's way safer to get a degree in marketing/economics/etc to be later a CEO of a (big) company. But biggest companies' CEOs don't have master degree in economics. And many other big companies, especially startups (not as big as the ones I first mentioned) also aren't managed by CEOs who did master of economics or anything similar.
2018-04-18 15:57
nice becoming a doctor for ex without university
2018-04-18 14:11
dont u count doctor in the pharma jobs he listed? i would do so tbh
2018-04-18 14:12
Didn’t even bother reading lmO
2018-04-18 14:20
and see this why humans are idiots they read the headline and instantly get triggered.
2018-04-18 14:21
bruh my comment was a troll not even being serious nor wanted to have a debate
2018-04-18 14:22
#24
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Sweden DiTzZ 
Trolling without starting a debate/discussion - gl my friend
2018-04-18 14:33
yeah
2018-04-18 14:34
>States something stupid. >Get's called out for it >Lol I was only trolling/baiting!!!11 xDDDDD
2018-04-18 15:50
how to get away with murder on hltv :D
2018-04-18 16:34
yeah?
2018-04-18 16:51
+1
2018-04-18 14:12
not at all ,,, we got best girls ..
2018-04-18 14:12
for that u dont need to study there. u can randomly walk the campus and talk to every girl anyday.
2018-04-18 14:13
my brother 5 years in prison goes out of prison and 2 years later in managment of a sales company (legal) most jobs can be easily done without university but its society brainwash thing so ppl feel not worthy to do jobs they can easily do.
2018-04-18 14:15
study is overrated and everybody knows it. the main reasons ppl study nowadays is partying and girls and another 4 years freedom of not working fulltime with vacations etc etc. but u have some that really study 100% and most of this ppl will be rich anyway one day.
2018-04-18 14:17
haha america fuuuuk yea, blow away 90% of your braincells in college that u dont remember shit u did in this 5 years
2018-04-18 14:20
Studying != school. At least for IT you need to constantly stay up to date to stay competitive, that means taking courses for newer technology all the time. Only a full retard would say studying is useless.
2018-04-18 14:28
studying is different meaning in germany that has to do with university not with school or any other stuff.
2018-04-18 14:30
University is a school for fuck's sake. study verb gerund or present participle: studying 1. devote time and attention to gaining knowledge of (an academic subject), especially by means of books.
2018-04-18 14:31
not in germany tho. studieren is a different thing than lernen
2018-04-18 14:49
Yea, but the english "study" doesnt distinguish "lernen" and "studieren", it can be used for both!
2018-04-18 14:54
so are studying and learning in english, also according to german definition your 'studieren' has two meanings. why the hell are you even arguing about its definition in german? OP used english.
2018-04-18 14:57
cuz germans are known for bad english and i wanted to clarify what he probably meant.
2018-04-18 15:05
"partying and girls and another 4 years freedom" and you assume he's talking of general studying instead of studying in a university?
2018-04-18 15:11
huuuh??? i dont know what u mean english to german translation is weird asf when it comes to studying.
2018-04-18 15:24
studying in school is retarded (especially with IT) Only reason I'm applying to an IT uni is because it gives me 4 years of time to focus on the things I really want to become good at studying on your own / online courses is always 10x better
2018-04-18 18:10
#21
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Switzerland Schwandi 
Sadly that how it works for most non science studies
2018-04-18 14:33
Except few degrees, most of university degree are not here to give you a particular expertise in order to work but to show at your future boss you are able to sustain a certain amount of work and to learn (aka evolve, aka adapt)
2018-04-18 14:24
#15
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
^this
2018-04-18 14:26
#23
KRIMZ | 
Europe Staley 
Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiis
2018-04-18 14:33
BigBrain
2018-04-18 14:46
#14
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Brazil lyr3 
Programming jobs usually require bachelor so we are out of luck!
2018-04-18 14:26
Not really, the best programmers I know never went to university. And that's in a tier 1 tech country. But in order to shine over the people with degrees you really got to be good at what you do.
2018-04-18 14:29
hahaha it's the completely opposite. What are you talking about?!!
2018-04-18 14:31
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Other Iockerboy 
pretty much every job i looked at required at least a bachelor degree nt
2018-04-18 14:40
if they ask you to code something and u do it faster than anyone with a degree, who will they hire?
2018-04-18 15:07
#83
asia | 
Other Iockerboy 
faster does not mean better
2018-04-18 15:08
there's no "better" in coding. it either works or it doesn't. Einstein
2018-04-18 15:18
so if one piece of code is more efficient than another piece of code, it's not better? Einstein
2018-04-18 15:19
"more efficient" you tripping?
2018-04-18 15:20
if you don't even know what efficiency is in coding then don't bother trying to look smart
2018-04-18 15:23
my point is, why do you care how the code is written if it works as it should? and what makes you think that a person with a degree codes "more efficiently" than a person without? like i said, you tripping Einstein edit: when i said faster i meant better overall, like a godlike coder without a degree. when others have a degree and are just "fine"
2018-04-18 15:30
because the way the code is written determines whether it runs fast or slow? and I never said a person with a degree would be more efficient. someone could code faster but their code could run really slow, or someone could take more time to code but the code would run twice as fast
2018-04-18 15:31
if you code better overall than someone with a degree, then sure most likely you would get the job, but if you code on the same level as someone with a degree then logically they would get the job instead
2018-04-18 15:33
yeah maybe. but then there's personality as well. same skills 1 has degree and is a nerd 1 doesn't have a degree and is cool your pick?
2018-04-18 15:35
#125
Ex6TenZ | 
Portugal lvr1 
The time the code takes to compile, the ammount of lines the code has, etc. Make a huge difference. If the code uses functions, if it has a bigger size etc etc makes a huge, huge difference. Check out for example informatic olympiad rules and you'll see that they dont give full mark to a code, even if it works 100%..
2018-04-18 15:39
You're a moron. So in your opinion it doesn't fucking matter if an algorithm has a complexity of O(n^2) and O(n)? As long as the code it written faster? Also various languages have different optimizations for example std::vector becomes much more efficient when you know how to use it with things like vector::emplace or vector::reserve and this usually requires you to know the language and data structures overall. Fuck off and don't spread bullshit.
2018-04-18 16:01
why u have to insult ppl every start of ur sentence? u have no manners? 90% of ur post start with retard,moron,idiot hmmm mayb u just insecure little puppet that needs love? here have some love <33333333333333
2018-04-18 16:35
I answer like that to morons. This guy spreads bullshit while trying to make it out to be truth and arguing with a guy even though he knows nothing. Kys, retard.
2018-04-18 18:01
angry virgin =) u should have sex with a hooker so maybe you will chill for a moment. didn't you see my edit? i edited before you replied. and yes i don't know shit about coding but i know that you don't need a school to be a great coder
2018-04-18 22:36
Look at it this way. When you hire a person with a degree you can be almost sure that he at least knows something since he passed the degree, when you hire a person without a degree you are basically gambling, since the portfolio might be rigged. I reacted that way because you kept arguing with him even though he clearly explained his point and you kept baiting him like a fucking 12 year old. Grow up
2018-04-18 22:39
:DD
2018-04-18 22:40
yeah that just proves you have no idea what you're on about
2018-04-18 16:04
true. my bad
2018-04-18 22:39
+1
2018-04-18 22:39
#239
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Greece hekzy 
And you just lost the job. Literally the most clueless shit I've ever read.
2018-04-19 11:44
#227
2018-04-19 19:43
#251
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Greece hekzy 
Aight
2018-04-20 02:42
this company of my dad is IT and we have had more luck with ppl with 0 degrees that are passionate about their stuff and do nothing but programming in their free time.
2018-04-18 14:34
#42
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Other Iockerboy 
who would you rather employ? someone with a degree or someone without a degree?
2018-04-18 14:42
depends on the person and his knowledge. if he bring in stuff he programmed so i or my dad can check it out. im not gonna not hire a person just cuz he has no degree. in IT a degree is literally the most useless stuff there is.
2018-04-18 14:52
Who would you rather employ? Someone with a good portfolio but without degree or someone with worse portfolio but with a degree? :)
2018-04-18 15:49
ofc someone with the better portfolio, but uni allows you to build that portfolio. You can do it yourself too but it's easier when you have professionals supporting you
2018-04-18 15:55
While they might be good at programming they will likely not do anything else in their whole life. In university you learn alot more than only programming. Instead of being an unsocial coder which might not work in a team it's better to be a social human. University isn't all about how good you are, it shows you are able to study information in a limited time which probably is the most important thing. It shows you can grow your potential and help the company.
2018-04-18 14:45
#137
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Netherlands HetIsPatat 
IT is rather broad, what line of work are we talking about here? Of course, if it's something as simple as Java or PHP, a degree doesn't mean shit if you've got passionate people without one.
2018-04-18 15:48
+1 For example I doubt there's as many embedded software engineers without any degree as just normal Javascript front end developers without a degree.
2018-04-18 16:03
#242
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Greece hekzy 
What type of IT are you talking about? Are you just app/web/game developers?
2018-04-19 11:48
with internet u dont even need university anymore. if ur not a lazy cunt and actually study when ur at home instead of gaming and drinking u could also skip university and learn all on your own but thats really rare.
2018-04-18 14:32
But the job/boss will ask degree , so?? I speak for serious jobs
2018-04-18 14:35
everyone has different opinion on serious jobs. all this discussin about whats good and whats bad is complete bullshit and is just ur ego controlling your life.
2018-04-18 14:36
i speak for my self , i am at age who searching for jobs here and out , without degree they dont even speak to you , ofc delivery- pizzza maker or anything like this dont care about degrees BUT all the others need.
2018-04-18 14:38
who says the need to talk to you? how about u talk to them? my mom literally got her job from house cleaning and one day she was brave enough to go to the boss that was running past her and tell her that she can also do accounting and bookeeping half a year later the old accountent retired and my mom got a job with 5k monthly after 1 year. its all excuse my frend
2018-04-18 14:44
This example is the exception m8 not the rule Ofc you can be lucky or brave to do it , and maybe will work BUT at 90% of situations things work with papers.
2018-04-18 14:46
Real serious jobs will ask you for actual knowledge, skills and experience in first place, not degree. Degree is just a formality.
2018-04-18 14:38
AND how they will admit that you actually have knowledge and skills?? with Degree I dont know in what world you are living BUt in Europe works like that , when for a job available hundreds of people try to take the job , you expect the boss to choose one without papers,degrees anything?? Wake up
2018-04-18 14:43
How old are you? Have you ever had a job? Have you ever had more than 1-2 jobs?
2018-04-18 14:45
i already work 4 years as mechanical in oil industry, job without papers you cant even pass outside .
2018-04-18 14:49
I'm asking because in #45 you sound like a person who never had and interview for a job. And I didn't said you don't need degree, I just said it's formality.
2018-04-18 14:51
I have in my life more than 40 interviews , cause in Greece good jobs available have more than 1 thousand applys . OFC you can find a nice job without degree and all these shit , espesially at Sweden or Germany , but the 70-80% of good opportunities need papers unfortunately.
2018-04-18 14:55
> I have in my life more than 40 interviews Then you shouldn't ask such stupid questions as: > #45 GAMIAS71 > AND how they will admit that you actually have knowledge and skills?? And I think you miss my initial point. You were talking about serious job and I said that degree won't guarantee you serious job because > #33 TheAwakening > Real serious jobs will ask you for actual knowledge, skills and experience in first place, not degree. Degree is just a formality. Degree itself doesn't prove you have knowledge, skills and experience.
2018-04-18 15:07
the 1st thing it was Sarcasm I cant understand how you didnt understand it . Ofc degree wont quarantee you serious job , degree guarantee you that someone will listen to you, degree guarantee you that someone will call you for interview , degree guarantee you that you have the BASIC knowledge , and if you are able and good you will get the job . Without degree here or Italy which i know , they reject you from mail at next day.
2018-04-18 15:11
Degree doesn't guarantee anything of what you listed, yet it increases your chances for that.
2018-04-18 15:13
work in oil industry yet is free during the week spamming hltv 24/7? my eyes are not good, but I can see from 200 meters or a filthy pretender. Your life probably is unemployed, living from Greek warfare.
2018-04-18 15:14
So i have to bring facts to make an Hltv user to believe me?? lol Dont care m8 , believe whatever you want
2018-04-18 15:15
ur registered since 2017-09-07 and u have 1377 posts we just know ur a liar doesnt take much brain to figure that out. but tell me why u pretend to be someone u aint? u can also write on pm i will not share it . i just study psychology and i wanna know why ppl do this. like why do they need to make up fake stories.
2018-04-18 15:20
Dude i say the truth , ask someone else who make fake stories, yoou will not find answers here. My brothers have the same account at Hltv , you can see this account spamming all day forever . Anyway i tell you the same , believe what ever you want , i just answered at this thread cause its BAD a little kids thinks that degrees are usseles and its not the proper way this way .
2018-04-18 15:23
dude next month i make my psychology degrees. i would be stupid and not graduate at all if i didnt find out ur lying here. even if its true why you need to proof me its true? who am i to you?
2018-04-18 15:27
Nice for you From my answers you see that i want to proof anything to random Hltv users?? 3 times i said believe whatever you want , you are dellusional?? Also and last , even if yoou get psycology degree , this conversation its not face too face , to see expressions or anything so yoou can have doubts about the point here, yoou just saw that i have many replies at Hltv lol The most funny part : why you need to proof me its true? who am i to you? 4 times now i said I dont care , what proofs hahahhahah HLTV
2018-04-18 16:06
if u didnt care u wouldnt write such wall of text all the time all day. we both busted ur ass and now ur trying to act smart or someshit haha.
2018-04-18 16:09
u know what they say about i dont care? when a person says i dont care they for sure care alot about it.
2018-04-18 16:36
#111
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Greece Poor_Noob 
He is an idiot that's why , once he was swearing me to get cancer because he would disagree with me , don't feed this troll
2018-04-18 15:28
I don't take anything serious here on hltv but I just wanna know what's the reason for this behaviour.
2018-04-18 15:30
#119
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Greece Poor_Noob 
Because People Are Stupid And Seek Attention PS include me in ur degrees credits :D
2018-04-18 15:32
society is based on likes/attention back then when there was no internet u wanted to be liked and get attention by mayb 10-20 people now u wanna be liked by billions of people. its a ego thing
2018-04-18 15:35
Fakeflagger who flamed Greece , thats why I see you are still healthy , dissapoointing ...
2018-04-18 16:09
#108
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Greece Poor_Noob 
lmao
2018-04-18 15:25
and then when u have the degree u get invited for job interview and ur a socially awkward nerd that cant talk to clients neither to a higher authority. pls fuck off with ur shit :D
2018-04-18 14:46
Exactly. :D
2018-04-18 14:46
So if you have degrees and Masters you are socially awkward and nerd , and you cant talk to everyone ..... WTF they feeding you lol
2018-04-18 14:50
what the fuck your on about? u know in university u mainly opperate on your own to get the degree or do u get a mass degree with your group?? like seriously how old are you?
2018-04-18 14:55
OFC you mainly operate on your own, that means that you have social problems ?? You are completely retard lol
2018-04-18 14:57
u cant even bring propper arguments dude how should i believe u work in the oil industry u probably stuck in your moms basement trying to be relevant on the internet. even a socially awkward person can work together with the same ppl but when stranger cllients on phone u cant talk to them what ur degree gonna do tell me. this is pointless dude enjoy ur day im fkin out.
2018-04-18 15:07
1 billion works out there and you keep speaking for call agents . YEAH call agents dont need degrees , what about the opther billion jobs . Goood day
2018-04-18 15:13
u just proofed my point that u never worked. even nasa even tesla ceos have to still call clients. doesnt matter what ur job is u will mostly have to still make calls. and if u dont know how present / selll your own personality on someone on the phone ur just donefor. u can take homeless guy put him in the shower dress him up and he will be worth the same as you
2018-04-18 15:33
nasa even tesla ceos have to still call clients. Hi we are callingg from NASA , maybe you interested foor a rocket? Hi i am Elon Musk , maybe you are interested for a Tesla X ? HLTV
2018-04-18 16:02
idk but at my uni there are lots and lots of group projects set up specfically to make sure that you cant get a degree if youre completely autistic and asocial.
2018-04-18 15:00
same here , i dont understand him
2018-04-18 15:14
#34
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Switzerland Schwandi 
+1 If it is really that easy to get as educated as someone with a degree why not just make the degree at an university where you can actually prove that you're that good.
2018-04-18 14:38
+1
2018-04-18 14:43
lol, books (and libraries) existed way before internet.
2018-04-18 14:39
But the thing is you NEED the diploma to get a job, nobody questions the absolute non importance of a degree but nobody will hire you just if you say you know how to do the job.
2018-04-18 14:34
bullshit maybe in corporation, they require a diploma but in small business, the boss will hired more skilled guy, despite of education
2018-04-18 15:28
Thats a nice excuse to yourself , but its only that , you are still uneducated and you will always be a worker of your dad . 2 people with degrees and master gone, SO degrees are ussless ahhahahahha p.s Yesterday i met 2 doctors , BUT they didnt know nothing about dentist things So DONT be a doctor its ussless hahahahahha
2018-04-18 14:34
#32
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Switzerland Schwandi 
+1 He seems to conclude by one incident that university as a whole is useless.
2018-04-18 14:37
Just his father want him to stay at family coompany , so he brainwash him these things and he thinks its alright . NOT bad , many parents with ok jobs do it, BUT dont act like its normal , its a joke .
2018-04-18 14:40
+1 OMEGALUL
2018-04-18 14:47
what a fkin idiot are you to talk shit like this? my father is 65 will retire in 5 years and i will own multi million dollar company with my brother what do u own? fkin piece of shit wage slave.
2018-04-18 14:59
Truth hurts m8 sorry Also with that answer everyone can understand that not even you have degree but we have doubts even if you finished school . xD Go now to ask money from daddy. xD
2018-04-18 15:04
Lol you literally didn't do anything. You are such a mediocre guy hanging from your daddy's balls, 0 effort and 0 dignity.
2018-04-18 15:52
pretty bald to make such statement like that. shows of 0 iq, and 0 braincells
2018-04-18 16:05
??? It's the truthwhether you like it or not
2018-04-18 17:46
Except you didn't earn shit you little maggot. You inherited shit from your daddy and now you're out on the internet boasting about it like anybody even cares. Take care of your self esteem issues you little faggot.
2018-04-18 16:08
jelly? seems like it.
2018-04-18 16:12
Not really. Although it would be nice to be rich without earning shit, I am still pretty successful for an average person.
2018-04-18 16:12
tell me why u pretend to be someone u aint? u can also write on pm i will not share it . i just study psychology and i wanna know why ppl do this and what complex is behind it. like why do they need to make up fake stories.
2018-04-18 16:20
What fake stories? Lmao, nowhere did I share any life story here lul. I'm here disputing retarded theories about IT and university. Seems like you're bad at what you do.
2018-04-18 18:05
You don't want to walk around on those lefty batshit insane campuses in the USA that's for sure.
2018-04-18 14:35
Whole education system is a problem, not universities or schools.
2018-04-18 14:41
+1000000000000000 its outdated dinosaur from 200 years ago i can't believe none is doing anything with it
2018-04-18 15:24
Because modern education system's goal is to make you another "cog in the machine", not to give you decent knowledge. :)
2018-04-18 15:32
Education system as a whole is the lowest resolution concept lacking details. Tell me from what kind of perspective it'd be smart to call it all as simply a problem.
2018-04-18 15:42
What?
2018-04-18 15:44
Education systems differs by country, by city, by teacher. In what sense is it all fucked? Or do you mean particular education system in some specific country? What's the reasoning? Or do you simply call it as problem just because you feel like it?
2018-04-18 15:49
Ok, I got it now. > Education systems differs by country, by city, by teacher. It doesn't matter, goal is the same (#118). > In what sense is it all fucked? If you want to know details, I'd recommend you to read John Taylor Gatto books, for example.
2018-04-18 16:01
>Because modern education system's goal is to make you another "cog in the machine", not to give you decent knowledge. :) - What's wrong with teaching people how to become into "cogs in the machine"? That's how society functions, without people doing their part to keep it up it'd just fall apart. >If you want to know details, I'd recommend you to read John Taylor Gatto books, for example. That's not* an argument.
2018-04-18 16:19
> What's wrong with teaching people how to become into "cogs in the machine"? Ok, if you think it's fine -- gl hf. > That's not* an argument. I'm not arguing.
2018-04-18 16:35
>Ok, if you think it's fine -- gl hf. What's the alternative? >I'm not arguing. Why not?
2018-04-18 16:36
> What's the alternative? To give people all possible knowledge without any restrictions, or at least to don't hide/fake it and give people opportunity to learn. > Why not? Because arguing is useless.
2018-04-18 16:39
>To give people all possible knowledge without any restrictions, or at least to don't hide/fake it and give people opportunity to learn. -What? You seem to have misconception here. Education system isn't hiding any knowledge. It's opposite instead. There is so much to learn that there is no choice but choose a specific niche field and then spend from years to lifetime studying and mastering it. >Because arguing is useless. If you don't engage into argument then you're not properly testing if your views are true or not. Confirmers bias is core of human psychology, we believe in things because from our individual point of view they seem true. You need to look at things from all angles and analyze all details in order to discertain whenever it's true enough to be useful in reality.
2018-04-18 17:15
No misconception here, I clearly know and understand what I'm talking about. For example, watch this and then come back and tell me no one is hiding knowledge from us. :D youtu.be/2a8A6Fb0bxQ youtu.be/5X5RWZHu_5I > There is so much to learn that there is no choice but choose a specific niche field and then spend from years to lifetime studying and mastering it. "When it comes down to it, the only knowledge that really matters is, how to purify water, how to grow your own food, how to cook, how to build, and how to love. And funnily enough, we're not taught any of it in school... It's almost like they want your head filled with useless crap that will never benefit your life so you're always dependent on government and corporations..."
2018-04-18 17:35
How do you expect me to agree on spending 16+hours on watching the videos? Sumarize the point in few sentences. Let's have a conversation. edit: >"When it comes down to it, the only knowledge that really matters is, how to purify water, how to grow your own food, how to cook, how to build, and how to love. And funnily enough, we're not taught any of it in school... It's almost like they want your head filled with useless crap that will never benefit your life so you're always dependent on government and corporations..." -Current society enables us freedom to focus on other things than basic human neccessities. It's great, I wouldn't want to be stuck at beign just another human who's eating, shitting, fucking and sleeping.
2018-04-18 17:43
What kind of conversation you want to have? I'm saying education system is needed to hide/fake some knowledge, you're saying it doesn't hide anything. Ok, I got your opinion. What else you want from me? :)
2018-04-18 18:02
I want to expose myself to different ideas and points of view, so I can get closer to truth. Therefore I want to see on what grounds do your beliefs stands on. So far I'm still not getting clear point on why you have such strong belief in education systems "turning people into robots" and not teaching right things. There is a vague feeling that I get from where you're coming from, but since it's vague then it's something that I can't put in place.
2018-04-18 18:11
If you want to get closer to truth then you're focused on wrong things. You yourself said: "You need to look at things from all angles and analyze all details in order to discertain whenever it's true enough to be useful in reality", but instead of doing this you care about my beliefs, reasons of why I'm so sure about some things and where I'm from (it's in my profile btw). Also: > I want to expose myself to different ideas and points of view, so I can get closer to truth. > How do you expect me to agree on spending 16+hours on watching the videos? Pick one. ;)
2018-04-18 18:50
I'm focused on life. There are things I have to do and so I can't afford to spend more focus than I have to on side distrctions and background activities. Besides I want to get to points, not watch hours long presentative content.
2018-04-18 19:04
Exactly. We all have things to do, so we shouldn't waste time to argue for the sake of argue. I got your point, you got mine, that's enough.
2018-04-18 19:21
Before you proceed, i must warn you, this guy created threads about flat earth and fake moon landing.
2018-04-19 12:05
if u dont know ur value u say a degree will make me someone if u know ur someone u dont need a degree and keep pushing until ur at the finishline.
2018-04-18 14:41
Do university and be useless or dont do it and be even more useless
2018-04-18 14:42
University is the chance you have to prove how useless you are
2018-04-18 14:43
No. It depends what you're studying.
2018-04-19 12:13
#44
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United States Brandmammoth 
I just started a marketing agency for this specific issue. I’ve had success in my Design career but I know it’s rare to get a job once you leave school so I want high school students to avoid paying for college and I’ll teach them on the job. Cheaper labor for me and better free education for them.
2018-04-18 14:43
#48
NEO | 
Poland Sips 
i partly agree, but was their degree even relevant to the job they were doing?
2018-04-18 14:44
yes, its was a IT-Sec Job
2018-04-18 14:53
#56
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France iwasthelegend 
i m dentist thanks university
2018-04-18 14:48
#69
flusha | 
Germany Kupferr 
if it isn't something like teaching, medicine, law etc. University does not prepare you for specific jobs - Of course fresh uni graduates need to be taught in their first job...
2018-04-18 14:59
#70
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Sweden naturen 
Skills doesn't matter here in Sweden. It's all about your education.
2018-04-18 15:00
cool, do you accept degrees from others countries?
2018-04-18 15:20
#74
f0rest | 
United Kingdom akne 
That's why you provide training for your employees, your father is a retard.
2018-04-18 15:03
#79
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Switzerland Schwandi 
+100
2018-04-18 15:07
Maybe jealousy speaking out of u? Maybe your dad alcoholic beat you and your mom now you angry of other peoples dad that achieved things in life. sorry but its cruel reality im not person to judge but u should not insult other peoples family its the lowest poiint u can sink to.
2018-04-18 15:10
"u should not insult other peoples family" "Maybe your dad alcoholic beat you and your mom" My Peruvian friend are u b8ing?
2018-04-18 16:14
first it says mayb and then it says im not a person to judge. so ye its different than what he did.
2018-04-19 11:28
or intership
2018-04-18 15:18
so u tell me just cuz our new empoyee's have a degree's they need no training? sorry but thats the biggest bullshit ive heard in a long time. theory and practice are 2 different worlds in a job and u know that.
2018-04-18 15:46
Dude first of all go back to school and learn English. Second of all that's the exact opposite of what he wrote. Companies provide additional training for their employees if need be.
2018-04-18 16:10
we provide to everyone new in the company 1-3 weeks of training and then we look at them 1 month and if they cant do shit they are gone doesnt matter if or no degree. i dunno what u trying to proof here. 90% of companies here in switzerland and probably in the world do it like this.
2018-04-18 16:17
Are you retarded? Simple question, simple answer. Yes or no?
2018-04-18 16:16
He is..
2018-04-19 12:11
Don't reply this ppl they all jelly because your dad has company and u as son have a nice future while they are probably living off welfare in their moms basement.
2018-04-18 16:18
Well and would they have been without a degree ?
2018-04-18 15:08
#88
kebab | 
Finland Dima548 
Mostly its just impossible to get in job interview if you dont have the needed degree.
2018-04-18 15:11
#90
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Argentina ivanpb 
I quite agree with u when it comes just to studying to get a job, but don't forget the passion aspect: it's also worth to study if u love any science.
2018-04-18 15:13
study is cool time, and it shapes your mind if you pay attention to lectures, but it might also slow you down in success, depends what the guy wants to achive
2018-04-18 15:22
dont forget the fact many ppl study just to make parents proud or to fit in society. its also a big problem of this generation. most ppl that study for passion will become wealthy anyway one day.
2018-04-18 15:29
+1.
2018-04-18 15:31
or don't know what they want to or they study because every friend of them is doing that anyway the main issue the whole education system is stupid/broken and the problem from the beginning
2018-04-18 15:31
what job? at the end of the they it's all come down to who do you want to become, and what job you want to do ... some are for graduates and plenty are not
2018-04-18 15:17
it security / software engineer
2018-04-18 15:38
a diploma/degree doesn't guarantee you anything yet it might higher your chances, but if you there at the job interview acting like a nervous socially awkward person u not gonna get the job. while maybe a guy that has no degree will sit there full confidence with full knowledge of the job can also get the job.
2018-04-18 15:21
is it easy to get a job in switzerland? i'm seriously considering the move... don't worry i have money and a decent education + worked 5 years full time, so i know how to do shit
2018-04-18 15:42
depends on your personality and your abilities. i heard from many foreigners its pretty easy for them to get to job interview in the gastronomic/touristic area. for the rest i cant tell.
2018-04-18 15:46
i've got a pretty good school education and a bachelor of arts in real estate management, degree as real estate economist and thats the branch where i work now for 5+ years. i could do a master degree as well, but i'm not too sure if it's worth it atm. i just like the country overall and it's political stance, tax system etc. also very positive that it's relatively hard to immigrate, which makes it harder for idiots to only drain your social benefits
2018-04-18 15:52
I think real estate is among the jobs you don't need a degree for. You need skills to sell a house to a client. I think you can work real estate world wide if you're really good at it. and its pretty big here, but cant tell much more.
2018-04-18 15:58
i'm no broker or agent, i work with investments, trusts etc. and at least where i live you can't do anything without academic education in something like economy. thanks for your info though, maybe the day will come where i finally move to switzerland
2018-04-18 16:01
what about school ? if uni is useless "Gymnasium" is useless aswell ?
2018-04-18 15:45
who said that? if u read my post u surely understand what i mean and if u dont im sorry but im not wasting my time with any of you anymore :D all u do is take words and twist them around like u wish and want them to be.
2018-04-18 15:48
oh so you act like you are something big now right ? that doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about, bye
2018-04-18 15:49
was bistn du fürn lauch ahha
2018-04-18 15:50
im not saying anyhting like that. im just saying if u dont even take the time to propperly read a post there is no point in even arguing with you. like where do u see school or gymnasium written here?
2018-04-18 15:53
I dunno what you are trying to do here, but please stop cuz ur just embarrassing yourself like that Greek dude in this topic.
2018-04-18 15:54
Difference is that one person might want to work, but other was forced to go to university, and obviously he will have no interest in doing this job. Studying only gives you basic knowledge about certain job, you have to work in order to "master" it.
2018-04-18 15:48
i met 2 dumbfucks so university is useless
2018-04-18 15:54
visit any american college in LA please and show me one smart person :p
2018-04-18 15:59
thats racist
2018-04-18 16:08
visit any place in LA and show me one smart person
2018-04-18 16:13
Hah, I'm curious if these Jimmy Kimmel's surveys in LA aren't fake and people actually don't know important basic things there
2018-04-19 11:22
stfu nerd
2018-04-18 15:56
really, the most worthwhile degrees are those that include a year in industry. degrees themselves, much like school, often cover practices from a purely theoretical standpoint and fail to consider their real-world application. therefore, having both a degree AND a year's experience before graduating is by far the best course of action
2018-04-18 15:59
#166
REZ | 
United Kingdom 3thanol99 
If u do retard degree like arts, or go to a shit uni there is no point.
2018-04-18 16:02
u just described 50% of the world that study mainly to make their parents proud or to fit in society :D not many of this generation actually study cuz they have passion for something nowadays. i think its big big overrated nowadays make youtube channel show how to put makeup ez million euro profit.
2018-04-18 16:04
#172
REZ | 
United Kingdom 3thanol99 
+1, I study physics at top 10 world uni so it's cool
2018-04-18 16:05
university in 2k18 lul
2018-04-18 16:08
0/8
2018-04-18 16:08
IN KOREA IT IS IMPORTANT AF
2018-04-18 16:10
+1
2018-04-18 16:11
no u just play video games until ur pro in sc2 or dota2 or ow or league
2018-04-18 16:11
Important to have a bigger salary or to be employed overall? You need uneducated people for physical work in any normal society
2018-04-19 11:27
doesnt need to be uneducated my dad loved workin in construction even tho he started out workingi n the finance realestate world when he was younger but it was to snoby for him. this also why he was able to build his own house one day.
2018-04-19 11:46
Sure, it's not a rule, but usually, the more you are educated, the more your expectations are. For instance, you will less likely want to work in a factory if you have spent years for education.
2018-04-19 11:54
#185
suNny | 
Argentina Sunnie 
Well .. you just don't learn how to be smart, you can read lot of books, got lot of degrees or masters but that's just warming your chair, studying and passing exams .. I'm not saying that you will not learn or get some knowledge by that way, of course you do! But it doesn't make you smart nor intelligent .. There are some exceptions such as Medicine, Engineering and so on ..
2018-04-18 16:15
Yeah, I'm gonna drop my med school 'cause it's useless. Jk, I see that you pointed out "science". It really depends on what do you do during graduation, you kinda make up your own course. If someone just goes there, study for tests (even tho you ace'em all), like the majority of people, you're gonna have a bad time.
2018-04-18 16:13
#190
shox | 
Czech Republic Mrnousak 
cuz ur stupid af
2018-04-18 16:13
what has the world become if u cant even state ur opinion without getting shit what is this freedom of speech when everyone is triggered constantly cuz our life is boring and thats why we pretend to be someone we aint on internet.
2018-04-18 16:22
you're supposed to train them for things they don't know, idiot. how can you hire someone with no real-world experience and expect them to know how to work.
2018-04-18 16:26
not useless , university up ur % to get better life. In other way life is full of surprises and u never know what will happening tommorow. Some people can be millionaires without education , some not... Its all on you and how smart or talented u are...
2018-04-18 16:33
but its not needed for example here if u start working at 15 u will have same knowledge than guy that studied till 20-22 and probably also better paycheque
2018-04-18 16:46
life is so different , is so many different ways to get good job...i totally agree with u , some people be lucky and appears at the right time and right place...but some time for promotion u need some/highter degree? (no?)
2018-04-18 16:53
who the fuck would employ someone who's 15 for a proper job? cuz you aint gonna learn shit stacking shelves at the local supermarket
2018-04-19 11:35
That's what I did I started working insurance/real estate salesman with 15 after highschool was done and now I'm 20 and I'm close to becoming part of the junior managment. and by 30 i could already be full manager of this company. all i did is have passion for what i was doing put 100% into it and u will be noticed.
2018-04-19 11:40
#240
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Sweden TDK Em1L 
So, Austria got Child labor?
2018-04-19 11:45
no when your school is done, you can choose between working or going to and even higher school that last another 4 years and then are able to go to university. if u choose to work u will have 4 years of trainee with then an exam for your graduation. and since i knew i wanna work in sales, i knew what i wanted to do and choose this way. if i choosen the otherway, i would still be in university for 2 years now having missed making around 60k in the last 5 years.
2018-04-19 11:56
university is important kids. It got me a good job. Ignore this man
2018-04-18 16:41
3/8
2018-04-18 16:50
It's more difficult to have a good life without education
2018-04-18 16:52
#224
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China therickli 
i arent think that.
2018-04-18 19:06
its like many rich ppl said before if u chase money,degree,car,bighouse,girl for happyness ur doing it wrong cuz if u have all this things u still not happy cuz u will have another thing u want. but if u chase happyness cuz u have passion for it then its a whole different world. so a person mayb without degree but passion for a job will get probably more done than guy with big degree just doing this job to get money.
2018-04-19 11:34
totally agree with you here. passion is a big factor in success most ppl don't even know what passion is and mainly study to get an education to make their parents proud or to fit into society.
2018-04-19 11:42
#237
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Sweden TDK Em1L 
Yes, They all be useless Unless you doing The big 4, doctor, engineer, math dood I think it was and 1 more.. Rest 100% useless and steal so much time etc When you Can Learn The shit on the Work place or online ezpcy But in Sweden for example you need some sort of degree shit for most things so yeeeaaaa Also People are lazy and dont Learn stuff online etc, so They must Take The lazy,ez, fun, party time university way
2018-04-19 11:40
Im lucky
2018-04-19 12:08
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