New york 2016 was with pimp hiko and jdm and?
Esl s4 had the main core, auti, ska, and stew
At least when cloud9 won oneoff events, they won WHEN IT MATTERED. What about liquid with arguably stronger lineups? Just merely placing ok isnt enough anymore, liquid NEEDS to win events and prove themselves. Because frankly, liquid are honestly the BIGGEST disappointment in na cs
Liquid winning summit doesnt change the fact that the tournament was tier2 at best with again, LITERALLY ONLY c9 and sk because when it comes to teams like astralis, liquid is their sex slave. AGAIN AND AGAIN you bring up summit why? Liquid has done nothig spectacular other than that. And liquid beating pr sk isnt really impressive lmfao, just look at wesg