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d2 bullsh*t
United States finger_puppet 
d2 to be featured in EPL S7 Finals- this is bullshit. This event should showcase the best teams playing at peak performance *for the maps they played in the online season*! If you introduce a new map just for the finals, it throws off the whole balance and hierarchy established throughout the season when all teams were competing with within a reliable map pool. Throwing d2 in for the finals will result either a)give an unfair advantage to whichever teams cram enough praccs on in the new map or b) result in a bunch of randomness thereby lowering the quality of cs established throughout the online season. -d2 +cbbl
2018-04-24 06:03
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Australia Googgy 
it's d2 everyone knows it better than the back of their hand
2018-04-24 06:05
+1 - It cant really come as a suprise either
2018-04-24 06:07
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Although OP has a point, the finals is part of a whole proccess of filtering teams until the ultimate challenge where only 2 teams face each other. They should respect the qualifiers and keep cbble for the rest of the event. What would you think if you played lets say the major qualifier and then all of sudden they change all maps to Tuscan, Season, Canals, Santorini, etc? If this isn't fair, how for one map it isn't fair at the same level?
2018-04-24 06:13
D2 is a map people used to play a lot untill quite recently, not like those maps you mentioned
2018-04-25 09:21
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Missing the point, I understand that dust2 is a very popular map, but what is the point of replacing a map DURING a tournament? I mean, some teams qualified BECAUSE of a match in that map, why are you changing the course of the tournament making teams stronger OR weaker because of a crazy last minute decision? I understand the reasons, but for me, they are poor reasons.
2018-04-25 09:24
Yeah that is a little weird it shifts the advantages some teams had
2018-04-25 09:26
#50
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Germany Fanzy2 
Your argument makes no sense because everyone knew d2 would come back at some time and you cant change maps during a tournament so you couldn't change maps while the major is running
2018-04-25 09:27
#55
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
Exactly, you just agreed with me. Why not include the new map on the next run where you'll have the teams QUALIFIED by playing the given map and EXPECT to play that map in that tournament? I find it unfair with teams that trained, scrimed, developed chemistry and created strats for a map and then get caught off-guard if the break is too small OR have to recreate themselves as a team by shifting perma-ban maps which were once avoided in the case that the break is long enough. If you don't see a problem in this, I guess you don't care about the competitive factor of the tournaments.
2018-04-25 11:12
>What would you think if you played lets say the major qualifier and then all of sudden they change all maps to Tuscan, Season, Canals, Santorini, etc? That sounds fucking amazing, I'm so tired of seeing mirage 5 times per day when I watch events
2018-04-25 09:27
#52
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
And I agree that we should get new maps in the pool, DEFINETELY! Just not a shift during a running tournament XDDD
2018-04-25 11:02
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Indonesia linekerrr 
Nah. Dont you think it could be more fun to add a little bit of spice? Teams are taken out of their usual comfort zones and the adding of the new d2 brings something new (not only a 'new' map but the new unusual scenario itself) to the table.
2018-04-25 11:23
#61
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
I personally don't think it's healthy for the competition, that's why I like bo5 finals, cause I want to see the BEST CS whenever I can. This kind of situation creates a new RNG factor which I don't appreciate in serious and big events, it seems pointless to me. But I respect if you think otherwise.
2018-04-25 11:36
#26
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Albania Mamluku 
+1. de dust2 isnt a new map to cry about.plus cbble is boring to watch.
2018-04-24 12:07
#56
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Brazil nicknameBR123 
If cbble is boring, d2 is boring² So we could cry about if it was some map like Canals? Get your shit together and make a point. Is there a problem on replacing a map in the pool during the tournament or there is not? Pick one.
2018-04-25 11:15
#63
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Albania Mamluku 
to give more variety to games. maybe this way they nerf or buff some teams. after all thats what esport have extra than real sports. there is no real even ground. hows that for a point
2018-04-25 12:14
sames rules for all teams, where is the problem??
2018-04-24 06:18
cbbl will give us better cs
2018-04-24 07:17
cbbl is pretty boring
2018-04-24 07:27
cbble is shit man boring while playing and watching
2018-04-24 09:32
i rly dont know why they removed cbble because now u cant get cbble cases to get dlore they probs went up by price i didnt even check if you have cbble cases keep them:)
2018-04-24 12:26
csgo is shit game people care only about skins i hope it dies one day
2018-04-25 08:26
it started dying already after trade ban ubdate
2018-04-25 08:45
i hope it dies so valve would change the gameplay drastically make game ez to learn but hard to master instead of random game and getting even more random also with skin gambling xD
2018-04-26 06:10
i really dont care if cs does because riot making an fps game that will support theyr fucking people not like valve
2018-04-26 09:03
couldnt egreeded with u more my bro i hope it will get released 1 day so i could try it out
2018-04-26 19:50
no tactics just Rush b
2018-04-24 06:20
#7
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Venezuela Kremator 
Dont worry, dust2 will be the only map where nobody will use CZ after the first 2 weeks of pracc. it's the only place where it wont be OP af
2018-04-24 07:24
#9
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
Lol what are u talking about.. tons of angles to hold close with cz.. long close to pit/doors, short near stairs, b car/close to tunnels, mid doors and alot more
2018-04-24 08:59
+1
2018-04-24 09:27
imagine if you killed xizt or karrigan with cz while they were pushing b ? u have rain niko and guardian so cz will be bulshit on dust2 xD
2018-04-24 09:33
#24
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United States BLaCkKobRa 
How is that excuse connects with the map being dust2? Imagine u killed xizt with cz while they pushed b on mirage? U have rain niko and guardian to refrag u. Lol it can happen in any map
2018-04-24 11:07
mirage has good angles 4 cz windown con ector under palace b apps whole map is cz nuke also
2018-04-25 08:26
u are bullshit idiot d2 best map
2018-04-24 09:00
Shat up paki noob dust2 sucks my balls
2018-04-24 09:01
racist danimarkistan reported
2018-04-24 09:01
U can fårk off noob
2018-04-24 09:01
veri racist pacman, report.
2018-04-24 09:03
For Ruskis sure it's the best you fakeflagger
2018-04-24 09:11
U're a bullshit, that map is more retarded than u
2018-04-25 09:09
D2 is part of CS .. if you don't like it go play pubg or sth and don't cry here
2018-04-24 09:05
Wingman is part of cs as well Maybe we start competing in duos then? if you don't like it go play pubg or sth and don't cry here
2018-04-25 09:10
LMAO, use brain pls .. i said "CS" D2 initial release on March 13, 2001, as part of Counter-Strike 1.1
2018-04-25 09:24
Lmao, use your brain pls, I said CS Wingman is part of cs since 2017, thousands of players play it every day, if you don't like it go play pubg or sth and don't cry here
2018-04-25 11:29
> 2001 > 2017 Lmao, use your brain pls
2018-04-25 12:21
Lul, what's your point? By what u said, I can infer that what's older is better? Honestly that does not make any sense
2018-04-25 14:07
#20
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Hungary Bonte 
But nobody would practice cobble either, because they know that it will be removed
2018-04-24 09:39
mongo
2018-04-24 09:40
Tbh, i wanna see the effects this change will have in the top teams, like: Astralis perma ban was cbbl, they used to be pretty good on d2, now they can play all the maps? FaZe perma ban was cbble, they have so much skill they could be the best dust2 team out there SK only very good map was cbble, but they were pretty good on d2 before it got removed from the pool
2018-04-24 09:47
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Germany namsayin 
lmao, cbble is probably the most boring map out there, should been removed long time ago. d2 over cobble any day.
2018-04-24 09:48
silvers be like xD
2018-04-24 11:22
#27
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Sweden BOBAHHAX 
i would delete de_cache
2018-04-24 12:09
+1 - de_cache + de_tuscan
2018-04-24 12:12
I would delete Sweden cs
2018-04-25 11:40
It makes it more interesting if they pick it imo, shows which team can adapt the fastest
2018-04-24 12:09
As said already by other poster most teams would probably just not prac cobble much cuz future events it will be gone so having it in pool is also bad... There is never perfect timing for thing like this xdd.
2018-04-24 12:10
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Denmark MeToxi 
There is. At the end of a season. But if valve wants d2 instead of cobble at major, then no. There is no better time since there is no off-season before after the major
2018-04-24 12:16
Well the thing is d2 will be in major 100%... I just see no way them keeping cobble so long.
2018-04-24 12:17
#34
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Denmark MeToxi 
I know, I just wanted to comment on the timing thing.
2018-04-24 12:19
I c I suppose I could have worded myself better, only way this would work rly would be if valve had only changed map pool after major.
2018-04-24 12:20
#37
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Denmark MeToxi 
They should've changed it right after IEM Katowice, that was the best time for it if you ask me. That would leave a gap from the 4th of marts to the 18th of april between big events for the teams to practice.
2018-04-24 12:27
new d2 is shit af ,i want the old d2.
2018-04-24 12:18
Tjats what make em champions professionals
2018-04-25 09:11
Thank god cobble is gone
2018-04-25 09:16
#45
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Turkey csgodeadgame2 
Esl is idiot
2018-04-25 09:20
wanna play with my leather puppet?
2018-04-25 11:04
#54
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Netherlands Lukcy 
teams prob ban it anyways
2018-04-25 11:05
#57
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Lithuania SiK_ 
everyone will just insta ban it, no wories
2018-04-25 11:16
#60
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Portugal RKO23 
honestly , i agree with you OP...
2018-04-25 11:30
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