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1st PC Build
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Peru vaniIIa 
So I have been thinking of making my first real build, and so far this is what I have. It comes out to around $810 so if anyone has any recommendations for me AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard Team - Elite Plus 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SSC GAMING Video Card Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
2018-04-25 00:35
#1
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Faroe Islands memento_1 
for gaming? i would get i3 8100+ h310m
2018-04-25 00:38
4core 4 thread cpu in 2k18 omegalul Plus on a 50e board that sucks and is meant for oem builds for companies like dell hp
2018-04-25 10:50
#66
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
Its the same shit than b360 but cheaper and not colored
2018-04-25 13:42
pcie 2.0 also, shit sound card,low amount of conectors...
2018-04-25 13:54
#75
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
Just for gaming dont worth 50us more
2018-04-25 13:56
+1
2018-04-25 14:29
lul 50 ? b360 is like 10-15 more
2018-04-25 14:37
#86
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
Im not going to buy in aliexpress
2018-04-25 15:11
Not talking about aliexpress... not my fault prices in your country are rekt... Cheapest h310 55eur cheapest b360 64 eur in the most used eshop in my country
2018-04-25 15:17
i3 for gaming...vs Ryzen 1600... I have no words.
2018-04-25 10:55
#32
ScreaM | 
Portugal dkslash 
I have One i3 8100 + MSI Z370. Very good and very cheap
2018-04-25 11:36
#136
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Germany Tunio 
no oc cpu on oc board lmao
2018-04-25 19:29
#34
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Faroe Islands memento_1 
i3 8100 beats the shit out of that ryzen trash with 1000 threads in gaming.
2018-04-25 11:38
#43
ScreaM | 
Portugal dkslash 
+1
2018-04-25 11:52
I want to laugh but then I'll show no respectful behaviour to yourself. game-debate.com/cpu/index.php?pid=2512&p.. Also check some in-game benchmarks to see the vast differences. You may want to check the provided system requirements for games, especially on the recommended ones.
2018-04-25 12:07
#65
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
ofc r5 is better but the i3 8100 is cheaper and performs great for its price. I still agree with you and I think he should either go with the r5 1600 or i5 8400
2018-04-25 13:41
i3 is a low-medium tier quad core cpu that can be used in gaming while paired with a strong GPU. However, it will not last long in time that's his biggest weakness.
2018-04-25 13:43
#71
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
+1111
2018-04-25 13:44
#91
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Faroe Islands memento_1 
last long ? dude 4 cores are enough for gaming next couple years. if not u can update to i5 8400 and it will perform better than r5 1600 in cs go.
2018-04-25 15:56
Nowadays games are build in such way that they'll take the advantage of your total core numbers. There is no reason to limit your PC at 4 cores. Also, CS:GO is not the only existent game on the planet, but it is one of the fewest games that's not AMD optimized.
2018-04-25 16:15
#94
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Faroe Islands memento_1 
show me 1 game that takes significant advantage from 4 to 6 cores.
2018-04-25 16:16
Google it yourself instead of asking it in such a silly manner? Cities Skyline Battlefield 1 MP Any DX12 game will benefit from your high number of cores. Ohh yes, even CS:GO got an update for 8 threads support.
2018-04-25 16:25
#69
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United States Farrukh_M 
Instead of that, get an i5 8400, it's AMAZING! I have one and it runs amazingly well.
2018-04-25 13:43
#112
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Peru vaniIIa 
I am hijacking this comment to say thank you all for the help, and there has been some really important things I have read :) thanks hltv for helping out noob pc guy on a build
2018-04-25 17:18
#2
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Portugal Carlos[M] 
what?
2018-04-25 00:37
#3
f0rest | 
Europe LoGoN666 
2018-04-25 00:37
MSI B350 Tomahawk is pure garbage, I have it
2018-04-25 00:38
ASRock > MSI atm.
2018-04-25 00:41
These are a ripoff when RX 580's should be sub $250 anyway.
2018-04-25 00:43
Change memory to 3000+ and you're good.
2018-04-25 00:41
Get a 2 x 4GB kit instead of an 8GB stick Corsair sucks at Mail in Rebates, get an EVGA 400-500 watt PSU instead Otherwise, good all purpose build.
2018-04-25 00:41
With ryzen u NEED to have dual chanel ram get 2x4gb also u need high speed for better fps so i would get gskill ripjaws V 2x4gb 3200mhz Other than that nice build enjoy !
2018-04-25 10:53
#15
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Germany Inshallah 
you need dual rank, not dual channel ram. seems like you have no idea what you are talking about, well done :D
2018-04-25 11:03
No, when u use 2 sticks of ram u call it dual channel. Dual rank is something with the memory chips on the stick of ram. Doest change the fact tha he needs 2 fucking sticks of ram because ryzen is shit with one.
2018-04-25 11:10
ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard Try to buy a better motherboard and never user Micro ATX on a gaming PC.
2018-04-25 10:56
Definately this. ASRock is dog shit (with a bit of cat poo poo).
2018-04-25 13:12
I know really...
2018-04-25 13:12
#108
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
Why never use micro atx?
2018-04-25 17:12
Why Ryzen? u could get an i5-8400 + 370 Chipset mobo and u should go for 2x4gb ram instead of single channel ram. u also could consider for BeQuiet PSU, recommended as well
2018-04-25 10:59
Why not Ryzen?
2018-04-25 11:05
all i can say is I got better experience with Intel rather than Ryzen.
2018-04-25 11:05
game-debate.com/cpu/index.php?pid=2513&p.. More performance, bigger frequency, more threads. Well, I had such great experience with Ryzen and AMD RX series. Guess that our opinions are based on personal experiences.
2018-04-25 11:07
8400 is good if you buy cpu for 2 years. Ryzen is more future proof with the 12 threads. But yes u get more fps with intel.
2018-04-25 11:13
8400 got 6 threads and that should be enough for current games why u need until 12 threads? his main purpose of the pc is for gaming not video editing, rendering or something just like that.
2018-04-25 11:18
#31
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Ukraine Najara 
+1 and not win rar/zip
2018-04-25 11:31
Look if I played only csgo then the 8400 is better but if u play normal AAA titles u woun´t get 144hz with 1060 on high detail on 1080p anyway so U aren´t loosing much when u get a ryzen when it comes to fps.
2018-04-25 11:48
>1080P >Ryzen lol pick one
2018-04-25 11:55
? wut
2018-04-25 12:07
What's your experience with Ryzen?
2018-04-25 11:26
#76
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Sweden klangoo 
indeed, intel is better
2018-04-25 13:56
Intel for life
2018-04-26 03:41
Go for i7-7700K.
2018-04-25 11:00
7700k is bad af imo Get 8700k u damn plebs
2018-04-25 11:23
if he wanna get 1600 when 2600 is available, then why not to get 7700k? those kids live under a rock
2018-04-25 11:24
> if he wanna get 1600 when 2600 is available Probably because it's cheaper and the difference is not so big as with 8700k and 7700k.
2018-04-25 11:27
ryzen 1200 is much cheaper, mb get it then? what is more important - performance or saving 20 bucks?
2018-04-25 11:28
If you have unlimited budget then go for performance. If you have very limited budget then go for saving. If you're between those two then go for optimal price/performance ratio. Idk why I have to explain such obvious things tbh. Apparently the guy has limited budget, and although his budget is not that bad to go for Ryzen 1200, even saving $20 is still important in budget builds.
2018-04-25 11:42
u dont need unlimited budget to buy the r5 2600
2018-04-25 11:43
I didn't say you need unlimited budget to buy 2600. I just said if he's budget is pretty limited then even saving $20 can be important for him, yet I'd recommend to try to go for 2600 anyway.
2018-04-25 11:47
Nah, just look at his build: - Cheaper motherboard - Only 8 GB of RAM instead of 2x8 - DDR4-2400 instead of 3000 - A mediocre PSU, Corsair CX is mediocre At the same time: - A 3rd party CPU cooler when the CPU already has one - An SSD in an obviously cheap build So he saves money on RAM that does affect the performance, he saves money on a PSU that may easily cost him much if it burns. But he wants a different cooler for God knows what, and also an SSD that may REDUCE fps drops caused by lack of video memory and/or RAM. OK, 6 GB VRAM is enough, but 8 GB RAM is not, if it is - then you have nothing to boost, if it's not - then go and buy 8 GB more, because there's no SSD that has the same read/write speed as RAM, so it's just stupid.
2018-04-25 12:00
He is not gonna play newest games on ultra settings with GTX 1060 anyway, so I'd rather go for 8 gb RAM and SSD instead of 16 gb RAM and no SSD, then add 1 more RAM stick later. I don't like Corsair CX series, but I doubt you will get anything _significantly_ better for that money. 3rd party CPU cooler is not needed indeed, I didn't even notice it tbh. :D
2018-04-25 12:13
> and SSD For what?
2018-04-25 12:18
Because PC without SSD is painful to use. Also no freezes/stutters in CS:GO.
2018-04-25 12:19
1) It's a gaming PC, framerate is more important than Windows loading speed. 2) When you have no enough VRAM - the PC uses RAM instead, since RAM is slower than VRAM, you may get fps drops. When you have no enough RAM - the PC uses pagefile instead, it's located in your local storage. Thus, when you have dual-channel RAM of enough size and enough speed, when you have enough video memory size, you will not have any freezes, especially in fucking CS:GO. Turn off pagefile completely and check if there's a single freeze, if there's - your HDD is obviously not the issue.
2018-04-25 12:39
1) It's not only about Windows loading speed, and if "it's gaming PC" then save/load game speed is also important. 2) "He is not gonna play newest games on ultra settings with GTX 1060 anyway". I'd agree in case he had GTX 1080 Ti, but not 1060. So tell me tasks for gaming PC where 8 gb of RAM will be not enough. > Turn off pagefile completely Bad advice. And if you ever had SSD and then tried to play CS:GO with OS installed at HDD, you'd know you can't completely prevent Windows disk activity even if you turn off everything.
2018-04-25 13:03
guru3d.com/articles_pages/far_cry_5_pc_g.. guru3d.com/articles_pages/f1_2017_pc_gra.. For the majority of games 6 GB VRAM will be enough, when it's not - lower some settings. Anyway, when VRAM is not enough, it uses RAM which is only 8 GB, what's better - to add more RAM or to keep 8 GB but add an SSD whose speed is much lower than that of RAM anyway? It's not a bad advice, just to test what causes the drops. Exit from every program, let it be just Windows and CS:GO, no browsers, no background programs (torrents, download managers, anti-viruses etc.), then run CS:GO with and without pagefile. To have an SSD is nice when you have enough of everything else and you want to improve your experience by not waiting tens of seconds for something to load, it's cool I agree, but not when you save money by not buying enough RAM of enough (3000) frequency. The system should be balanced.
2018-04-25 13:10
> For the majority of games 6 GB VRAM will be enough, when it's not - lower some settings. Exactly. And when you buy GTX 1060 you obviously don't aim for highest resolution and ultra graphics settings, so idk why you're still arguing (probably for the sake of arguing). > Anyway, when VRAM is not enough, it uses RAM which is only 8 GB, what's better - to add more RAM or to keep 8 GB but add an SSD whose speed is much lower than that of RAM anyway? Wtf is this logic? :D I already told you, PC without SSD is painful to use. SSD will make PC usage better overall, literally in everything, while additional 8 gb of RAM won't make much difference until you have GTX 1080 and play games with ultra settings or use Photoshop, Virtual PCs, etc.
2018-04-25 13:20
> idk why you're still arguing I can tell why you are still here. They infected your brain with the belief that SSD is an important part of any modern PC, thus a PC without it is outdated by default. It's cool that you skipped everything I said about the SSD pros, but I can repeat: - faster programs LOADING; - faster pagefile access which is important when it's actively used, which happens when you lack VRAM and/or RAM. And now - the cons of only 8 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM: - you actually provoke your system to use pagefile more actively by installing only 8 GB of RAM, creating an artificial reason of having an SSD; - DDR4-2400 by itself reduces fps, search "ddr4 2133 2400 3000" at youtube and watch the videos. If you can add an SSD to your 2x8 GB DDR4-3000 - do it, but when you go for an SSD when causing additional fps drops by using mediocre RAM - it's silly.
2018-04-25 13:37
> They infected your brain with the belief that SSD is an important part of any modern PC, thus a PC without it is outdated by default. No one infected my brain. I use SSD since 2010 and can clearly see the difference in PC usage with OS installed on SSD and OS installed on HDD. And yes, PC without SSD in 2018 is outdated and should be used only in VERY budget builds. > It's cool that you skipped everything I said about the SSD pros, but I can repeat I didn't know we were talking about SSD pros, also I thought SSD advantages are well known for everyone who ever used PC with SSD tbh, but if you never tried SSD then we can talk about it of course. > you actually provoke your system to use pagefile more actively by installing only 8 GB of RAM You still didn't list any tasks of budget gaming PC where 8 gb RAM is not enough. > creating an artificial reason of having an SSD Learn how Windows & pagefile works. It's not recommended to turn off pagefile even if you have 32 gb RAM, meanwhile pagefile barely will be used even if you have 8 gb RAM. > DDR4-2400 by itself reduces fps, search "ddr4 2133 2400 3000" at youtube and watch the videos. If you can add an SSD to your 2x8 GB DDR4-3000 - do it, but when you go for an SSD when causing additional fps drops by using mediocre RAM - it's silly. Idk why you started talking about RAM speed/frequency when we were talking about AMOUNT of RAM. Even though, as you can see in #5, I recommended the guy to replace 2400 Mhz RAM with 3000+ Mhz RAM since the beginning. I'm too lazy to continue to argue about nothing tbh. Especially if you think that budget PC with GTX 1060, 16 gb RAM and no SSD is more "balanced" than PC with GTX 1060, 8 gb RAM and SSD.
2018-04-25 13:59
> PC without SSD in 2018 is outdated Told ya ;-) You just don't know how to establish priorities when building a PC, that's why you allow it to have fps drops due to low RAM frequency and low RAM size, and then you're trying to reduce those drops by increasing pagefile access speed. > Learn how Windows & pagefile works. If you insist it's about pagefile access speed - go turn it off and see if the drops still exist. Don't forget to close all apps that don't take part in playing CS:GO.
2018-04-25 14:05
> fps drops > freeze/stutter Pick one. If you play CS:GO on PC with OS installed on HDD, freezes/stutters will happen (not very often, but neither rarely) while playing CS:GO, doesn't matter if you use pagefile or not, doesn't matter if you have 8 or 16 or 32 gb RAM, doesn't matter if you have no fps drops. If you think I lie you can go to tech forums like OCN or Guru3D and ask there. Why did you start talking about RAM frequency while we were talking about choice between "8 gb RAM + SSD" and "16 gb RAM + no SSD"? As you can see (can you?) in #5, I recommended the guy to replace 2400 Mhz RAM with 3000+ Mhz RAM since the beginning.
2018-04-25 14:26
Pick one? Do you know what "freeze" is? When your framerate (fps - frames per second) drops close to 0 - it's a freeze. In the end it's all about fps. You're trying so hard to avoid real testing because you're afraid of figuring out you have believed in bullshit for so long. Assassins Creed static.techspot.com/articles-info/1535/b.. 8 GB -> 16 GB boosts 1% min fps by 10% CoD WWII static.techspot.com/articles-info/1535/b.. 0.1% min fps +14% If you care that much about stutters, reduce them by having 16 GB instead of 8. But what will kids do? That's right - they open many tabs in web-browsers and don't close them before staring a game, they run shit in background thus increasing the amount of RAM needed and thus provoking it to use pagefile more, and then they buy an SSD to reduce fps drops, lol. That guy doesn't go for the 2600X, neither he goes for a better PSU, 8 GB RAM may not be enough either, but surely he should buy an SSD, because otherwise his PC will be regarded as outdated by kids on forums.
2018-04-25 15:15
> In the end it's all about fps. Do you know what stutter is? :D It has nothing to do with FPS. Also have you ever heard about such things as DPC latency for example? You can have _stable_ 999+ fps but game will still stutter/freeze. tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3301185/ga.. > You're trying so hard to avoid real testing because you're afraid of figuring out you have believed in bullshit for so long. Which bullshit? I said from the beginning: > I'd agree in case he had GTX 1080 Ti But in case of GTX 1060 my point stands still: > He is not gonna play newest games on ultra settings with GTX 1060 anyway > And when you buy GTX 1060 you obviously don't aim for highest resolution and ultra graphics settings Now look at your picture, what we see? "Very High Quality", "Extra Quality". :D Of course for ultra settings you will need 16 gb RAM, but you will also need better GPU. > If you care that much about stutters, reduce them by having 16 GB instead of 8. I was talking about stutters in CS:GO. And you WILL have stutters (not often but neither rarely) in CS:GO while OS and game are installed on HDD, doesn't matter if you have 8 or 16 or 32 gb RAM. There is no stutters when OS and game are installed on SSD. And 8 gb RAM is still enough for CS:GO. So since OP posted his thread here, on CS:GO forum, it's completely understandable why he would prefer "8 gb RAM + SSD" over "16 gb RAM + no SSD".
2018-04-25 15:43
As I already said, you're creating artificial circumstances to add at least some reason to have an SSD. As it is a gaming PC, framerate is more important than loading times, and his build has obvious weaker points: RAM size, RAM frequency, PSU; I'd also go for a better CPU (2600 or 2600X). Btw BF1 multiplayer, 1060, Ultra settings: youtu.be/yuQptnrokWk How many times it dropped lower than 80? Yeah, 1060, yeah, ultra settings. But he should definitely lower them to make use of that SSD.
2018-04-25 16:12
I don't create anything and already suggested you to ask at tech forums like OCN or Guru3d if you don't believe me. :D As far as I remember, BF1 is CPU depended game as well as CS:GO, so of course it requires better CPU+RAM in first of.
2018-04-25 16:36
I provide you with links, you provide me with unproven crap. You think moving from HDD to SSD fixes the DPC latency issues that caused freezes/stutters? Any proof? Any test, any benchmark?
2018-04-25 16:40
Provide what? You yourself said: > For the majority of games 6 GB VRAM will be enough, when it's not - lower some settings. And I agreed with you. xD > You think moving from HDD to SSD fixes the DPC latency issues that caused freezes/stutters? Any proof? Any test, any benchmark? I didn't say freezes/stutters are caused by DPC latency issue, although it can be caused by DPC latency issue as well.
2018-04-25 16:54
Then why to pick an SSD in the first place when his build has so many weaker points? Go on.
2018-04-25 16:56
#53 #61
2018-04-25 17:02
it's a gaming pc, the highest possible framerate is more important than the load times, use your brain to understand it finally
2018-04-25 17:03
So you suggest to go for "16 gb RAM + no SSD" instead of "8 gb RAM + SSD" because you will have 38 instead of 35 fps? xDD
2018-04-25 17:06
Up to 10-15% difference in 1080p, thus less fps drops, thus better gaming experience
2018-04-25 17:07
10-15% does matter when you have 100+ fps, not when you have 35 average...
2018-04-25 17:08
if you have 35 fps in average, mb change your GPU?
2018-04-25 17:10
With GTX 1060 you will get under 100 fps in most latest games, so there is no significant difference if you have 50 or 54-56 fps, 60 or 66-67 fps.
2018-04-25 17:18
Watch the video from BF1 and stop with that bullshit
2018-04-25 17:19
So you suggest me to just ignore all other games where 1060 gets 50-60-70 average fps?
2018-04-25 17:20
I suggest you to ensure enough framerate and then care about loading time
2018-04-25 17:22
Sorry, but I'd prefer 50 fps and faster loading time over 55 fps.
2018-04-25 17:23
50 fps from a gaming pc? it's silly
2018-04-25 17:26
You will barely get more than 50-60-70 average fps with 1060 in most of the latest and future games.
2018-04-25 17:29
and with 8 gb ram you will also get heavier fps drops, and your ssd cant fix that
2018-04-25 17:32
If you want better minimal fps then go for faster GPU in first of, not for more RAM. xD
2018-04-25 17:35
ssd gives higher load speeds, nothing more ram gives lesser fps drops what to choose for a gaming pc? surely an ssd [No]. and you talk about being outdated, 8 gb in 2018 lol
2018-04-25 18:05
> #58 Never get tired > For the majority of games 6 GB VRAM will be enough, when it's not - lower some settings. > #58 Never get tired > The system should be balanced. Keep arguing against your own statements. :D
2018-04-25 19:11
keep sticking ssd into every hole to not be "outdated"
2018-04-25 19:40
I told you no SSD is ok for very budget builds. And it's not about to "not be outdated", lul. Once you used SSD you never go back. It seems you don't have SSD in your PC, that's why you still argue. xD
2018-04-25 19:46
When you're building a GAMING pc, it should give you as many fps as possible. Fix your priorities, you're not that busy guy that needs to save every second.
2018-04-25 19:49
Of course you need as many fps as possible, but you shouldn't forget about balance. "GTX 1060 + 8gb RAM + SSD" is balanced. "GTX 1060 + 16 gb RAM + no SSD" isn't. GAMING PC without SSD in 2018, LUL. And no one was talking about saving time.
2018-04-25 19:58
16 GB RAM - better GAMING experience because of higher FPS 8 gb ram & ssd - marketing victims stuff, heavier fps drops but windows loads within 5 sec cuz it's the most important for a gaming pc, right? xD
2018-04-25 20:07
Do you have SSD? :D What's your setup?
2018-04-25 20:09
My current setup is irrelevant as well as my height, weight, salary and amount of hairs on my balls. You shared no links, no benchmarks, no nothing, provide us with anything on point please.
2018-04-25 20:15
Of course it's irrelevant. I'm just curious do you have SSD in your PC? What should I share? I agree with your links/benchmarks/etc, but as I said above I'd prefer 8gb RAM and SSD over 16gb RAM and no SSD even if 2nd option gives me +10% fps, although I doubt you will get that boost in many games.
2018-04-25 20:19
Keep the ryzen stock cooler - I don't understand why you want to buy an external one. Change out the PSU for better reliability. I'd choose a seasonic one. I've just had bad experience with corsair CX series (I've had a few) but they were the older models so idk. With the money gone from the CPU cooler I recommend investing in a 240gb ssd instead of 120 just so you can fit a few games on there too. Otherwise great build, good choice on the CPU and motherboard.
2018-04-25 11:15
#28
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Ukraine kek1 
Buy better msi b350 pc mate they have better interface and overclocking
2018-04-25 11:28
#30
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Hungary adzeii 
Ryzen 2600 instead x470 instead 2x4gb instead of 1x8 *(unless u wanna upgrade in the near future to 16gb)
2018-04-25 11:30
#36
ScreaM | 
Portugal dkslash 
I3 8350k MSI Z370 gaming Plus NVIDIA GTX 1050TI/1060 3GB 8GB RAM 1TB HDD 128GB SSD 600W PSU
2018-04-25 11:41
#42
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Hungary adzeii 
theres no point in getting a 1060 3gb, its not even enough for fullhd
2018-04-25 11:49
3gb version is trash and it is only like 50e cheaper.
2018-04-25 12:06
Considering that a lot of games these days love to consume RAM, especially devs like Ubisoft. I would highly recommend getting an extra 2-6 gb of RAM. Once you do, you will have an absolutely killer build. Honestly, not bad for a first build.
2018-04-25 11:47
You should watch Joey Delgado for built ideas. He has builts from $500-$2000 and I never saw negative reviews about them in the comments
2018-04-25 11:57
+1 Joey salad does nice builds
2018-04-25 12:07
#55
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Other Iockerboy 
get 2x 4gb ram sticks instead of 1x8gb, or 2x8gb ram would be even better, and get better motherboard and power supply, you should never cheap out on them
2018-04-25 12:48
#57
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Netherlands vBr8 
You don't need an extra cpu cooler, the standard wraith cooler on the ryzen 5 1600 is good even for small OC
2018-04-25 13:05
#63
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
regret
2018-04-25 13:43
#64
Sunde | 
Denmark Cabbi_OP 
mate, lemee give you much better value pc for that price for even less $$ You dont need to bother with overclocking, gaming performance is great, cool and quiet PCoverall. pcpartpicker.com/list/J3K3ZR Go with this.
2018-04-25 13:47
#67
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
good build but switch mobo for z370 for future upgrades
2018-04-25 13:42
#72
Sunde | 
Denmark Cabbi_OP 
Nah, its useless to futureproof coffe lake, since next architectures will be on 10/7nm, requiring new mobos/chipsets. For this price its more than fine, and even if intel decides to allow compatibility for next series of cpus, he can always slap new non K i7 which will do absolutely fine after bios update.
2018-04-25 13:45
#73
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
Yeah thats true . I also heard they are going to release a new socket in fall 2018 so it won't be supported for long. The thing with the r5 build is that it offers a great cooler , oc , support of socket until 2020 but the gaming performance is worse than the i5 build. So there is a deliberation between going for the future proof ryzen build but worse gaming performance vs the i5 build which offers great gaming performance but no OC what so ever(cpu/ram)and also shitty cooler and not really great future proof mobo
2018-04-25 13:54
#80
Sunde | 
Denmark Cabbi_OP 
I have both r5 1600 and i5 8400 atm at my repair shop, I can assure you that gaming performance is so neck to neck, especially on 1080p gaming with gtx 1060, literally 3~8 fps, which is totally fine, and ryzen has better minimum fps in many cases. Both amazing value cpus for all needs, cool and quiet as well, and only thing is that my ryzen is using more expensive 3200mhz cl 14 RAM(great fps increase after memory OC.Timings with new BIOS for b350 chipset), unlike i5's 2666mhz cl 15. As you've said, next years 7nm Ryzen2 will be supported, thats why id stick with the am4 platform for a bit. For this guy's budget, r5 build would require more expensive RAM, so he'd be better with i5 build (because I think that he wont OC his CPU)
2018-04-25 14:03
#84
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United Kingdom AlywOw 
Get a better RAM/SSD/PSU and you are good to go.
2018-04-25 14:36
#70
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United States Farrukh_M 
Get an i5 8400, it's better for gaming, even when the Ryzen is overclocked. Also get 16 GB of RAM.
2018-04-25 13:44
#77
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
16gb too pricy . better go with 8gb
2018-04-25 13:58
#79
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United States Farrukh_M 
It is pricey, but right now it's the better value by a slight amount, and it is fully worth it IMO.
2018-04-25 14:00
Pls no amd
2018-04-25 15:12
#109
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Peru vaniIIa 
Someone linked me build w/ i5 8400 that I’ll probably go with
2018-04-25 17:15
Ye that would be better obviously
2018-04-26 07:37
bro if you are buying ryzen buy 2*4gb ddr4 at like 2666/3000 mhz speed, ryzen rly need faster memory
2018-04-25 16:26
i7 7700k gtx 1080ti ssd 1000gb 16gb 3200mhz 750W paid 600euro for this , not even the price of the graphiq card
2018-04-25 16:29
#110
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
how much cocks did you suck?
2018-04-25 17:16
living in the real world you can make deals like those everyday
2018-04-25 17:18
#114
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
wdym real world?
2018-04-25 17:19
wdym?
2018-04-25 17:19
#117
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
What do you mean living in the real world?what is the real world?
2018-04-25 17:20
i can't say more and its not a b8 i buyed for 600e from close friend
2018-04-25 17:21
240hz 450$ keyboard/headset that cost 250$ i will pay 200$ for that
2018-04-25 17:22
I would pay at least double that for a pc to not have to build a new one every 2 years.
2018-04-25 17:27
#130
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Faroe Islands I_Oof_myself 
wdym? this is a good build not perfect but strong components
2018-04-25 17:34
#129
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Germany Tunio 
Get dual Channel ram and a bigger SSD
2018-04-25 17:34
#133
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Estonia mr_abdul 
if possible dont buy assrock, mine broke after 3 months. asus, gigabyte, evga, msi all da way
2018-04-25 17:42
i suggest upgrading to i9 7980xe and sli titan v.
2018-04-25 19:37
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