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Lithuania dvi 
amd ryzen 7 1800x vs i7 8700k combined with 1080Ti which of those 2 cpus wud be better for csgo
2018-04-25 20:45
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United Kingdom Grenadr 
both
2018-04-25 20:46
amd LUL
2018-04-25 20:46
Ignorant LUL
2018-04-26 14:50
he's right, amd will just continue to make infinite threads because their single core performance and architecture is complete rubbish.
2018-04-26 14:51
#63
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Switzerland J_Dizzle 
+1
2018-04-26 14:53
No he's not because that only applies to the FX series. game-debate.com/cpu/index.php?pid=2506&p.. Watch some in-game benchmarks as well to convince yourself. AMD is going toe to toe with Intel and beats them in many games.
2018-04-26 14:57
Im sorry but no.
2018-04-26 14:58
Ok xD
2018-04-26 15:00
But this thread is about CS:GO and not other games. Besides, an overclocked 8700K easily beats an overclocked Ryzen 7 in tons of games purely because Ryzen has such poor single core performance compared to an 8700K. In CS:GO you can expect upwards of double the FPS with a 5.0 GHz compared to a 4.0 GHz Ryzen 7 1700.
2018-04-26 15:47
But this thread is about CS:GO and not other games. Besides, an overclocked 8700K easily beats an overclocked Ryzen 7 in practically every game purely because Ryzen has such poor single core performance compared to an 8700K. In CS:GO you can expect upwards of double the FPS with a 5.0 GHz compared to a 4.0 GHz Ryzen 7 1700.
2018-04-26 15:46
What a made up statement. You do not deserve my reply deluded intel fanboy. Farewell.
2018-04-26 16:23
I know what I'm talking about because unlike you I have a 1080 Ti and had a Ryzen 7 1700 and now an i7 8700K.
2018-04-26 16:29
Their singlecore performance is fine. It's a little bit lower than Coffee Lake but not by much. Their problems are that for now they haven't been able to go past 4.3 ghz and their memory latencies, which have been improved from Ryzen to Ryzen+. So their gaming performance is below Intel (but again, not by much). People playing on 60hz or with anything below a GTX 1080 will not notice much of a difference between a Ryzen and Intel build. They can get a Ryzen 5 2600 and save about 150 €/$ over a 8700K and maybe even invest in a better gpu/ssd/whatever with that money. In fact, it's probably a little bit more since the 8700K gets fairly hot so an aftermarket cooler (€$ 30-80) is recommended, which doesn't happen to AMD where the stock cooler is perfectly capable of cooling the CPU even with a little bit of overclock.
2018-04-26 15:55
well talking about cs go i think that amd might be even better with zen+. although the max frames is much worse than with a coffee lake i5/i7 the min frames is far superior with amd.
2018-04-26 16:49
I'd go for intel
2018-04-25 20:46
#10
Lithuania dvi 
the one option im looking at atm has water/liquid cooling is it hard to keep maintenance for that cause i never had it
2018-04-25 20:49
if it's a normal closed-loop system, there's literally no maintenance
2018-04-25 20:53
#22
Lithuania dvi 
Ive read that u need to clean the loop system like every 6 months or something
2018-04-25 20:54
i've had the Corsair H115i in my setup for about 2 years now and i've never done anything except clean some dust out of the radiator/fans i've never touched the loop or heat sink and i don't plan on it custom made water cooling setups might be different tho, i have no idea
2018-04-25 20:56
#28
Lithuania dvi 
cool thanks for info :>
2018-04-25 20:56
#33
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Denmark TheSmilingGun 
Yeah that is mostly the custom waterloops.
2018-04-25 20:59
#36
Lithuania dvi 
The pc im looking at has CPU WaterCooler Silent Loop 240mm, im legit clueless at this so is this the custom one or?
2018-04-25 21:01
#44
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Denmark TheSmilingGun 
Do you have a link? :) Because rn it doens't say which brand it is from, and that makes me think it is a custom.
2018-04-25 21:17
No it's a closed one xD custom loops include you buying your own pump,res,fittings,blocks and rads lol. Far more expensive, harder to setup and about 20x as sexy
2018-04-30 13:57
both are overkill for csgo I guess
2018-04-25 20:46
#8
Lithuania dvi 
what if i wanted to stream with the same pc im playing on
2018-04-25 20:48
go for i7
2018-04-25 20:48
#13
Lithuania dvi 
any idea on how hard it is to maitenance the water/liquid cooling cause i never had it
2018-04-25 20:50
I dont think you will need it. I got an i5 8600k on 5hz with air cooler Dark rock pro 3
2018-04-25 20:52
#17
Lithuania dvi 
yeah but the pc is already build in nd it has water/liquid cooling
2018-04-25 20:53
is it custom water cooling?
2018-04-25 20:53
#21
Lithuania dvi 
CPU WaterCooler Silent Loop 240mm
2018-04-25 20:54
oh there's nothing difficult with it then. just set and forget :)
2018-04-25 20:55
#27
Lithuania dvi 
kay thanks for the info
2018-04-25 20:56
#5
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Kazakhstan pink_dildo 
8700k
2018-04-25 20:47
8700k
2018-04-25 20:47
but Intel is all the way for gaming
2018-04-25 20:47
Intel for gaming AMD for working with multicore programs(streaming,recording,etc.) Also depends on your budget. And if you don't have a big budget AMD ryzen Zen 2 is really close to Intel CPU now
2018-04-25 20:50
#15
Lithuania dvi 
its not about budget im already having 2 options 1 of them is with ryzen 7 1800x other one is with i7 8700k but the intel one has water/liquid cooling and ive never had that before nd not sure how hard it is to keep the maintenance for that
2018-04-25 20:52
I had the same fear as you, but then a good friend of mine showed me his watercooling system, and really it isn't hard to make the maintenance at all, it's just about knowing what you are doing, and there are plenty of videos on youtube about how to make it correctly
2018-04-25 22:07
8700k
2018-04-25 20:49
#16
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United States trump2020 
intel for just gaming amd if u do alot of stuff plus game
2018-04-25 20:52
This.
2018-04-25 22:02
#56
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United States trump2020 
THIS?
2018-04-25 22:40
tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-270.. AMD's new 2700X is really competitive with intel now. Like stupid competitvie. If you plan on doing any kind of streaming/virtualization or anything workload intensive, might be worth looking at AMD for once.
2018-04-25 20:56
#25
VulkaN | 
Austria iVolkan 
all 3 hardware are overkill
2018-04-25 20:56
#30
Lithuania dvi 
I mean my main game is CSGO but i do want to play some other games that require better specs
2018-04-25 20:58
#40
Lithuania dvi 
thanks for that info ill take it to consideration
2018-04-25 21:02
#46
VulkaN | 
Austria iVolkan 
np
2018-04-25 21:34
streaming in 2k18 LUL
2018-04-25 20:56
#29
Lithuania dvi 
useless comments in 2k18 LUL
2018-04-25 20:57
gl with wasted 1k euro for 3 viewers.
2018-04-25 21:02
#72
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
U hating brush, at least he can afford it
2018-04-26 14:58
If he has the time and the ability to do so what is the harm in trying. Sure it may be a 1 in a million shot he gains a decent following but you miss all the shots you don't take.
2018-04-26 15:37
#31
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Czech Republic DemoroCZ 
Get a 2600/2600x... its cheap, great for streaming, great for gaming (but not that good as 8700k)..
2018-04-25 20:59
2700x 2x8 ddr4-3200
2018-04-25 20:59
+1
2018-04-25 21:00
#37
Lithuania dvi 
someone translate it to english
2018-04-25 21:01
ryzen 2700x 2x8 gb ddr4-3200 turn on your brain, it was obvious
2018-04-25 21:02
#43
Lithuania dvi 
my brain is turned off right now cause i ve just done 7 pages project for uni but thanks for translating it
2018-04-25 21:04
#41
pronax | 
Russia ShadTH 
intel is better for games ryzen for hard programmes (potato english)
2018-04-25 21:03
AMD literally sucks ass, I have an intel CPU and it doesn't go over 40-45c, while the graphics card which is AMD goes up to 80c
2018-04-25 21:03
#48
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Brazil Waldemar H. 
comparing a CPU with a GPU Error 404 Brain not found...
2018-04-25 21:42
It's by the same company, so it does make sense, Brazilian 10 iq fuck.
2018-04-25 22:00
Nope it doesn't make sense, Afghan 1 IQ peasant...
2018-04-26 14:47
That is not how it works... U dont comapare cpu with gpu temps... Ryzen procesors are cooler than intel because the chip is soldered, and they come with much better stock coolers.
2018-04-26 14:54
It does work like that, stupid ass.
2018-04-26 15:15
My 1080 Ti gets up to 85°C. Literally meaningless comparison.
2018-04-26 15:51
Germanistan talking shit LUL.
2018-04-26 16:40
Solid argument.
2018-04-26 16:44
My inte CPU reaches 60 degrees and my Electrolux fridge only goes to -18 degrees so intel is really terrible
2018-04-26 16:37
Shut up, what do you know, Swedistan boy?
2018-04-26 16:40
And you are full of shit lmao all recent mainstream cpus by Intel use shitty tim while ryzen is sodered lol
2018-04-30 13:59
im ryzen user and i can recommend it but if you want best performance and you are not interested in streaming or something then go for intel and btw dont buy x1800 its not worth go for ryzen 7 1700 since its basically same thing but its cheaper and you got decent stock cooler enough for OC i have ryzen 1700 with stock cooler oc to 3.8 and everything is fine :)
2018-04-25 21:26
#47
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Europe deVulse 
AMD >for poor 3rd world faggots Intel/Nvidia >rich, superior beings Now you know which one is for you.
2018-04-25 21:37
#49
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Brazil Waldemar H. 
^^^^and this is a guy living in a echo chamber
2018-04-25 21:43
#50
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Europe deVulse 
>brazil flag >defends AMD >see how i explained it above and you'll understand
2018-04-25 21:44
#134
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Brazil Waldemar H. 
two words: echo chamber ;)
2018-04-26 16:54
#51
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
Intel >>>> AMD in terms of gaming in FULLHD/2k. However, it's the same on higher resolutions, especially 4k where it's all about GPU. Overall, 8700k is better, if you don't need montage, faster render operations etc. then it's a perfect choice. There is no point in buying Ryzen 7 when you are a gamer, i doubt you play in 4k tho. P.S. Both are good for streaming, 6 cores and 12 threads are enough, no need to go 8/16 with ryzen there.
2018-04-25 21:47
#77
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
no lol, 10-15 fps difference in many games.
2018-04-26 15:02
Check my links fool
2018-04-26 15:02
#80
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
You are blind troll. OP wrote he is choosing between 1800x and 8700k. Not 2700x lol. Are you proud of new generation of Ryzen having the SAME results as the previous generation of Intel? 1800x gets destroyed by 8700k youtube.com/watch?v=36N6xQDZ98c
2018-04-26 15:09
Clearly he doesnt know 2700x is out... and ur not talking about 1800x u were talking about AMD = 1800x and 2700x... And even the 1700x got pretty much the same fps in 1440p as 8700k... so still no dif... yeah everyone knows 1800x isnt as good as 8700k in 1080. But since he got a 1080 ti i better hope he got a 1440p AS MINIMUM or it wud make no sense and in that case even a 1800x wud be better than 8700k since the fps in games wud be identical pretty much but the ryzen wud be overall better bcus of the amount of cores. And proud? dno but i sure am happy that AMD are competitive now and pushing Mafia intel bcus what a shit company intel is.
2018-04-26 15:13
#86
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
> and ur not talking about 1800x u were talking about AMD = 1800x and 2700x... No i was not talking about 2700x, where exactly did i write that? Why are you lying? > And even the 1700x got pretty much the same fps in 1440p as 8700k... so still no dif... 1800x has 10-15 less FPS in many games compared to 8700k without Intel being OC'd. With 5Ghz 8700k shits on first generation of Ryzen and win in many games vs 2700x. Proof about 8700k(Stock!) winning vs 1800x in 1440p: youtube.com/watch?v=vreY8eiKz6k
2018-04-26 15:14
If ur talking about 2700x then why u saying intel > amd in 1440p when its literally the same maybe 1% dif... and yes thanks ur proving my point 10 fps less in what 1-2 games and pretty much identical fps in most other games... thanks ur a genius... and overclocking the cpu wont do any dif at 1440p... u shud know since ur such a genius. and please use a proper benchmark site and youtube youtube.com/watch?v=s0O3MxolJ7s not some random wannabe hardware youtube guy lol
2018-04-26 15:20
#93
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
10-15 fps less in 5 games. > and overclocking the cpu wont do any dif at 1440p... Oh yeah? Then what's that: youtube.com/watch?v=f3d0MbksFnA - 15-20fps difference after 8700k OC... Yeah it does not crazily improve performance in every game with 1440p, but even 5 fps is a win for OC at this point.
2018-04-26 15:23
I give up ur retarded... u go find 1-2 games made 6 years ago where a 1.3ghz oc do 10 fps dif... amazing... u do know there are 50 games where the dif is 1% even if its a 5ghz 8700k. But go ahead and call urself a genius because u find some random guys who play old games that gets 10 fps more. LIke srly when i say overclocking wont do a dif in 1440p i dont fking talk about 1-2 SPECIFIC GAMES that might actually gain something from it but GENERAL.
2018-04-26 15:25
#95
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
Witcher 3 in 1440p, 10fps difference: youtube.com/watch?v=GluyL21lfFY I can find a lot, but seems like you are braindead who can't accept the fact i just rekt you.
2018-04-26 15:25
God i love ur way of proving urself right.. by taking videos where each thing happening isnt the same... like srly go with benchmark where everything on the screen is happening at the same time. Hell i can even find scenes in that video where the stock is faster than the OC... please
2018-04-26 15:28
#97
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
Are you retarded? :D It's almost the same. Or you think 1 different NPC can cause 10-15 fps difference? :DDD P.S. IF you watched a video, you would see 8700K OC has actually more stuff on the screen at some scenes and still brings way more fps.
2018-04-26 15:29
You dont get it... its not just what happens on the screen but around u too.. u think everything that isnt on the screen is magically gone? u dont even take into account that there is dynamic lightning and shadows and how it all effects things.. thats why i said a benchmark! Anyway ur still stuck to me saying that a OC at 1440p makes no dif... ofc it can make a dif in some games and specific areas and so on but IN GENERAL the dif is insanely tiny and not worth it.. but if u call 1-15 fps a huge dif when u got 150 fps in a game then i dont know...
2018-04-26 15:36
You started with "nd overclocking the cpu wont do ANY dif at 1440p." and now you are at " the dif is insanely tiny and not worth it.." Congratz, that's what we call a progress. And yes technically it's a difference, is there difference between 100$ and 120$? I guess so.
2018-04-26 15:37
U actually call 1-5% a dif? rly? u joking right? and only in SOME games And these kinds of youtube clips u link are so useless when it comes to comparing fps when they arent 100% identical.. literally there is 9 npcs more in some cases on the non overclocked than the overclocked.
2018-04-26 15:40
Do you have problem with simple math? it's 10-15% difference in videos i've linked, not "1-5%". And difference is difference. Idk what you wanna to prove, you already failed with your "it makes no difference". Now you are telling there is a difference, but it's not worth it. > And these kinds of youtube clips u link are so useless when it comes to comparing fps when they arent 100% identical.. Oh yeah they are so useless, because it's 99% identical not 100, but we just have to trust you for no reason.
2018-04-26 15:42
So when in one scene it shows 144 fps and the other 145 fps its 10-15% dif?. Again u cant compare these things when they arent 100% identical... u dont know wtf the cpu is working on when the scenes arent 100%
2018-04-26 15:43
It clearly shows 10-15 fps difference in most scenes, so we can assume average is near that as well. Okay, we can't compare, w/e floats your boat.
2018-04-26 15:45
Dude pls go look at that one scene where its 148 fps on both and then 1 npc walks into the picture on the non oced and the fps drops 4-7 fps lol... yeah totally legit benchmarks u giving me here... 1 npc cant do any dif ;D yep Give me some real benchmarks proving ur point that OC is doing 15% dif in 1440p and ill admit i was VERY WRONG because srly i can go into a game run around in a city get 150 fps, close the game and repeat and hmm now its 140 fps and no change at all.. just dif things happening in the city around u. Why u think serious benchmarks sites do static benchmarks and not fking dynamic run around world and comparing it and say its the same? bcus it doesnt give a true picture.
2018-04-26 15:54
and here you go in a gta 5 benchmark OC vs non OC youtu.be/RQWFqLTiN8A?t=198 tell me how big the dif is? 3 fps?
2018-04-26 15:59
different games, as i wrote already some games won't show crazy difference after OC. Whatever floats your boat. If you don't trust in these benchmarks, then ok.
2018-04-26 16:01
Dif benchmarks? this is the only real benchmark.... What u linked is run around the world pretending its a benchmark when it isnt... 1 npc or lightning or random shit can do the whole dif... and u dont even have to be able to see it on screen...
2018-04-26 16:02
8700k is previous gen? Link 9700k please, I didn't realise it's out. Intel has had 4 generations of refinements with this architecture, each time changing the socket (requiring a new motherboard for an upgrade) AND it has severe vulnerabilities to boot. AMD hasn't lost anything, they've produced a highly competitive product at a highly competitive price and they have further refinements and upgrades in the works which will operate in the same socket. If I built right now it'd be AMD for sure, they currently perform well enough for a quality experience in all games and an upgrade is an option in the next couple of years too. If the OP buys an 8700k, short of buying a new motherboard, that's what he's stuck with for the life of the machine.
2018-04-26 15:29
#99
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
I said previous because obviously the guy above tried to compare new generation of AMD to old generation of 8700k. If there was 9700k i doubt Ryzen 2 would have the same results(proof is 8700k vs 1700x/1800x for example), as being equal to 8700k(which is a good result for intel btw) > Intel has had 4 generations of refinements with this architecture, each time changing the socket (requiring a new motherboard for an upgrade) AND it has severe vulnerabilities to boot. Yes, at this point AMD has done a great job. Intel is just greedy for money.
2018-04-26 15:32
old generation of i7*
2018-04-26 15:45
#136
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Brazil Waldemar H. 
>1800x gets destroyed by 8700k i ddnt see ryzen getting destroyed only 10-15 fps difference while the intel is at 20-40% cpu usage and the ryzen at 20-25%. Whats your point? u just stated how fucking retarded you are
2018-04-26 16:57
What's wrong with CPU usage? It's like buying Bugatti and being happy that it runs for 100km instead of 300. And it's kind of obvious when you have 8/16 setup vs 6/12 lol, but i doubt you understand that. Calling me retarded when you think CPU usage means anything. RIP.
2018-04-26 17:03
#54
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Germany mosstt 
Intel cuz higher singlecore speed But if you ask for gaming I would recommend a i5 8600k - this will save you some money if you dont need the extra cores
2018-04-25 22:05
#58
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Sweden ThorinEk 
amd will always give you more bang for the buck
2018-04-26 14:48
#61
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
lol, people still believe in AMD after another Ryzen failure
2018-04-26 14:52
Failure ? LUL Because it can´t be overclocked to 5 ghz ?
2018-04-26 14:57
#73
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
Since it's a gaming forum, i am talking about gaming. Another CPU from AMD, another ez win for Intel
2018-04-26 14:58
#84
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Pls don't speak when you're biased and have no knowledge
2018-04-26 15:10
#87
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
That's what i have to tell you, stop speaking when you don't know shit, kid
2018-04-26 15:14
#127
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
You know as much about this shit as you know about me, which is 0, nothing, zeroooo and you don't even know my age and call me a kid, that's how much you know about Intel and amd, please just stick to fortnite and dont talk, O yeah almost forgot Kid
2018-04-26 16:38
You have zero arguments but w/e lol.
2018-04-26 17:06
#141
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Bruh what kind of arguments do you have in your original statement
2018-04-28 15:43
#76
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Lmao people think ghz is everything, all these Intel fan boys who don't know shit
2018-04-26 15:01
They watch 5 benchmark graphs in youtube video, see that intel has more fps and then go and brag about the fact intel is better. Yes they are a little bit better for gaming but if it wasnt for Ryzen, intel would be still milking their customers with selling 4c/4t i5s for stupid high prices like they have been for 10 years and then u wonder why don´t games use more cores.
2018-04-26 15:05
#81
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
+1 if ryzen 2 was such a failure there would be no market for it, besides its only a upgrade of ryzen 1, same thing that Intel did with their 5th gen cpus, they where basically rebranded 4th gens, fucken fan boys ayy lmao
2018-04-26 15:09
Ryzen 2. gen was atleast refresh and not just a rebrand :D
2018-04-26 15:10
#85
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
+1
2018-04-26 15:11
#92
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Ukraine EarthAintFlat 
I have never stated AMD is shit, nor that AMD competition vs Intel is a bad thing. But there are facts about their gaming performance, which clearly show Intel > AMD in this case. I'd be happy if AMD was as good as Intel at this point, because their prices policy is the way better. And you start calling me an intel fanboy when you blindly just talk shit about Intel for no reason. Who's the real fanboy here...
2018-04-26 15:21
#125
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Saying amd ryzen is a failure again, is saying amd is shit pls use ur brain
2018-04-26 16:33
Are you fakeflagging? As a native speaker you have to see the difference between "failure" and "shit". Just in case you have a split mind: Failure - a situation in which someone or something does not succeed.
2018-04-26 17:10
I´m not talking shit about intel... their product is superior but they aren´t consumer friendly
2018-04-26 16:49
#142
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
+1
2018-04-28 15:43
R7 2600x
2018-04-26 14:53
Isn´t 2600x a 5 ?
2018-04-26 14:58
Yes, sorry, the R7 is the 2700x
2018-04-26 15:17
Ryzen 2700X for sure, don't bother with the 1800X
2018-04-26 14:54
8700k is best processor for games rn
2018-04-26 15:16
just ryzen 1700 and you will fly with a lot of fps
2018-04-26 15:34
#101
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United States ARKTYC 
i7 8700k
2018-04-26 15:34
8700k
2018-04-26 15:35
8600k enough for cs
2018-04-26 15:47
haha I'm using 3700 and getting 300fps no worries :-p
2018-04-26 16:22
If all you care about is csgo go for the i7, the ryzen cpu's are for the creator gaming user, like streamers, content creators etc.
2018-04-26 16:05
Intel for gaming
2018-04-26 16:07
#133
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Poland Vojtman 
Intel = games AMD = everything (CPUs)
2018-04-26 16:51
Either, you can just cut a soda can into the shape of a cpu and CSGO would run fine.
2018-04-26 16:57
#140
chucky | 
Brunei aspexo 
i7-8700k all the way LUL forget ryzen
2018-04-26 17:14
#143
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Hungary Shiron212 
I would go with the i7
2018-04-28 15:46
#144
roman | 
Europe njin 
intel = gaming amd = everything else
2018-04-28 15:49
both are fine but intel one is better for gaming still I suppose so would also expect this to be the case for CS:GO
2018-04-30 14:03
8700k is undoubtedly the best gaming chip on the market rn, everyone that said the ryzen is better for rendering hasn't looked at benchmarks - they both are in the margin for error in premier property rendering. So unless you stream, where 4 extra threads would actually be more useful than the frequency you gain from going with the 8700k you should take the i7 for sure. You have to consider that the tim on the 8700k is pulled from a pile of garbage though, so delliding would do you good if you want to make sure you can push it to 5+GhZ(almost all can do 5, anything above comes down to silicon lottery)
2018-04-30 14:05
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