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€1600 full build, feedback apreciated
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Going to buy these parts soon any feedback is apreciated This is my first build that i will make in 1-2 months any feedback,tips,changes,... are apreciated. I do know the new nvidea graphic cards are comming out but i do not have the time to wait. CPU: i5 8400 HD: WD 2tb SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB RAM: Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX 2x8GB 3000 C15 GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Motherboard: Gigabyte Z370P D3 PSU: Corsair PSU VS Series VS650 Case: NZXT S340 Midi-Tower Monitor: BenQ ZOWIE XL2411
2018-04-25 22:42
#1
France gxr_ 
i5 ??? dude go on i7
2018-04-25 22:43
#7
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
whats wrong with i5 lmao
2018-04-25 22:45
Nothing when your build cost is like 800€ :D
2018-04-25 22:51
#36
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Canada mattyfinch 
You're actually retarded. The 8XXX i5 is a hexcore, 6 cores, not 4, which is still more than most games can utilize, including csgo
2018-04-25 23:04
still agree with his point, that if I was spending nearly 2k USD I would get a different setup than the 1 he listed
2018-04-25 23:30
#59
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Canada mattyfinch 
he should be getting the 8600k, and a decent cooling solution to overclock it yes. I was simply replying to the notion that a 8XXX i5 isnt good enough for a gaming computer. FYI, I have my 8600k stable on 5.0GHz, its gaming benchmarks are 30% better than the 7700k @ 4.8 I had prior, and it stays much cooler
2018-04-25 23:38
#98
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Lithuania Sedge 
thats fantastic
2018-04-26 12:25
Thank Mr/Mrs Kanada <3
2018-04-26 12:31
#113
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Netherlands RincoB 
Yup 8600k is the MVP rn.
2018-04-26 14:57
still eats >200w while ryzen of same price and performance does about 120 (oc)
2018-04-29 13:22
#165
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Canada mattyfinch 
Ive had the ryzen 1700x oc'd @ 4.1 with the same 1080 i use with my 8600k. Even on stock clock the 8600k vastly out performed the 1700x in every game i play in both top frame rate, and average. It wasnt even close. This saddened me, i really wanted to believe in ryzen :(
2018-04-29 23:34
depends on setting but my 1800x @ 4.05 was quite close, but yeah, ryzen isnt made all for gaming. The rendering perf vs 8600k is great tho
2018-04-30 06:13
#173
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Canada mattyfinch 
The 1700x @ 4.1 with my Evga 1080 got 111.7 FPS on valley 1920x1080 ultra My 8600k stock speed with the same 1080 got 172.4 FPS, and overclocked @4.9Ghzi get 191.7FPS.
2018-04-30 21:59
+1, Since your spending that amount go for i7. However why don't u get 2x16 RAM instead 8?
2018-04-26 14:49
#115
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
What would he need 32gb ram for?
2018-04-26 14:59
isn't it better to have 32gb? so he will get way faster pc
2018-04-27 05:20
#124
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
No Waste of money if ur just playing games
2018-04-27 09:07
k, thanks for the info
2018-04-27 09:50
ree ree alerts going off. when you put a 1,6k price tag on your pc you should absolutely go with a new i7 setup (ofc depending on what youre doing). It's not that the i5s suck or anything but that's a i7 budget for sure.
2018-04-26 07:13
#131
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Canada mattyfinch 
When you're looking to include a 1080 or 1070ti, and a 144hz monitor, $1600 is not enough of a budget to fix an i7 that offers no benefit without sacrificing on other parts that will. children..
2018-04-27 21:50
which is still 1300 left over. You can buy you 1080 and a new coffeelake i7 over here easy. retards...
2018-04-28 09:08
#142
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Canada mattyfinch 
I think you might have a condition requiring immediate psychiatric help... The benchmark comparisons between an i7 and i5 Coffee lake is nominal at best on almost every current game, including csgo. There is no benefit. You get knock off chinese bullshit, or black market stolen shit regardless in Albania, so your "over here" comment lacks validity.
2018-04-28 19:00
jesus. hurt much? :D
2018-04-29 12:07
#144
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
he is right tho
2018-04-29 12:09
+1 why would he go for i7 if he doesnt stream or some shit
2018-04-27 09:19
because its not made for only streaming :D
2018-04-28 09:05
#145
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
for what is made then u fucking dingus
2018-04-29 12:09
#23
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Canada TwistedFate 
just ignore him, don't worry. anyway back to the main topic, if i were you i'd get x2 1080 and also get this monitor, it's 10 times better and more adjustable. amazon.ca/Acer-Predator-NVIDIA-Widescree..
2018-04-25 22:53
#24
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
why you trolling a pc noob :l
2018-04-25 22:55
#25
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Canada TwistedFate 
WDYM
2018-04-25 22:55
benQ is top 1, IDK why u hating...and wtf you talking about "more adjustable" you can adjust the hell out of a benQ or almost any monitor
2018-04-25 23:31
#75
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Canada TwistedFate 
ye shut up you know nothing.
2018-04-26 00:00
knub
2018-04-26 07:18
#42
LASER | 
Europe Laser_ 
You want to definitely fill 1600$ with your Buy? And what will you use the pc for? And are you familiar with overclocking?
2018-04-25 23:11
#49
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
All games even latest and no experience with overclocking
2018-04-25 23:27
#50
LASER | 
Europe Laser_ 
but you do not stream, programm or edit videos do you?
2018-04-25 23:28
#68
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Yep i don't do any of that
2018-04-25 23:46
#82
LASER | 
Europe Laser_ 
Alright, so here is MY recommendation: Keep in mind that things like HDDs, SSDs and Cases are easily upgradeable and exchangeable. CPU: i7 8700k HD: Toshiba 1tb SSD: M.2 SAMSUNG 960 Evo 250 GB 2280 NVMe RAM: G-Skill Aegis 16 GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3000 DIMM CL16 GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 (your choice, but a 1070 is totally enough) Motherboard: Gigabyte Z370P D3 PSU: Corsair PSU VS Series VS650 Case: Sharkoon S25-V Monitor: BenQ ZOWIE XL2411 (though id recommend you to buy a monitor with gsync or at least freesync with AMD GPU) If you choose a cheaper GPU like a 1070, you could spend the extra money on the monitor, mainboard or case. Oh and btw, dont forget the cooler and OS
2018-04-26 00:34
+1
2018-04-26 12:28
The power supply is absolute garbage and that boards VRMs probably dont really like an i7 8700K, especially if it is overclocked.
2018-04-26 12:36
#84
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Estonia swag420weed 
Wait for 2 months for your PC build. GPU prices will go back normal... You are paying 200-300€ more for GPU at the moment.. kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/mat..
2018-04-26 00:33
I5 8400 its cool processador maybe its better then so i7 but the i7 8k its better ofc
2018-04-27 09:17
#2
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United Kingdom kingpepe2 
CPU: i5 stopped read.
2018-04-25 22:44
retard or what?
2018-04-25 23:10
#44
LASER | 
Europe Laser_ 
for 1300 $ an i7 or Ryzen 7 is basically a must have
2018-04-25 23:12
#96
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Australia TurkAu 
nope, you're all autistic.
2018-04-26 12:15
#104
rain | 
Belgium Konfuze 
+1
2018-04-26 12:30
Uganda
2018-04-27 05:28
#146
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
+1
2018-04-29 12:10
#93
KRIMZ | 
Indonesia slimyp1g 
Retarded i guess
2018-04-26 07:19
#3
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Oh god i typed nvidea haha ^^
2018-04-25 22:44
#4
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Europe deVulse 
Good one, get some decent i7 for like 100 euros more and you'll have a very solid pc for the next few years
2018-04-25 22:45
#8
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Europe deVulse 
But u have my respect cuz i see u know that we have times when games are very like very GPU heavy, +1 for that 1080 choice.
2018-04-25 22:46
#12
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Idk i rather have a better gpu and downgrade my cpu
2018-04-25 22:48
#34
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
Im not sure the need od the 1080, unless if u are going to play in 4k a 1070 should do well
2018-04-25 23:02
#35
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
just 144 hz and to be a bit future proof
2018-04-25 23:03
#38
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
As u said above u dont want to spent a lot of money, so if i were u i would think about change the 1080 for a 1070 and the z370 for a b360, if u dont plan to make a upgrade to oc proocessors 8600k or 8700k
2018-04-25 23:06
#47
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Looks like a really smart idea, for 1070 is there a big difference in a mini itx and normal 3 fan 1070 ( for me its 30 euro difference)
2018-04-25 23:15
#5
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Estonia mr_abdul 
1070 and i7 and better psu
2018-04-25 22:45
#10
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Europe deVulse 
lul i'd rather throw away HDD for that i7 than leave 1080 in times when games are purely around gpu
2018-04-25 22:47
#14
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Estonia mr_abdul 
yeah I didnt even notice the hdd the first time :D
2018-04-25 22:49
#32
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Why throw away my hd? my storage 500gb is not enough haha
2018-04-25 23:00
#87
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Europe deVulse 
Well 500gb ssd should be enough for you untill next month when you'll buy yourself a HDD, or just wait 1 more month and just take that i7 instead of i5. Suggested to leave HDD for now cuz its really the least important thing and for cash saved from it u can easily get an i7 instead of i5 which in the long term is much better choice imo. i5 my start to fall behind in the newest games soon while i7 will still run on ultra for at least next 3 years before games will "overwhelm" it just as it always is overtime, technology and PC requirements go further right and i7 is definitely more solid and long-term focused investment for only like 100-150 euros difference.
2018-04-26 02:41
#147
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
you are talking straight out of your ass
2018-04-29 12:12
#88
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Europe deVulse 
oh and dont listen to people who tell you to take 1070 to save cash for i7, take 1080 dont even hesitate, 1070 will start to fall behind in like 2 years while 1080 will stay reliable for the next 4-5 which in the long term is again much better imo. i've bought 1070 quiet recently and i regret it already, should've wait 2 more months to get cash for 1080 but hell i couldnt even run newest games on medium graphics without constant fps drops on my old 660 so i had to upgrade quickly, dont do that mistake m8.
2018-04-26 02:47
and why do you regret buying your 1070?
2018-04-26 16:14
#123
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Australia TurkAu 
no.
2018-04-27 07:59
1600 for i5 8400?? you got ripped off
2018-04-25 22:45
i5 8400 in 1600 euro build? Go for 8700k.
2018-04-25 22:47
#17
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
That is impossible with my budget
2018-04-25 22:51
Oh just seen you included a monitor, then yeah it's fine 6 cores / 6 threads is quite enough. But i'd wait for a new generation of GeForce, 1170 will be much better than 1080 with lower price.
2018-04-25 22:52
#28
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
also a problem cant wait for them i need them before summer vacation
2018-04-25 22:57
#11
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Europe potatomato 
where did you get €1600?
2018-04-25 22:48
#13
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
its my first build chill
2018-04-25 22:48
Work 💰?
2018-04-25 23:35
8400 with 1080 lmao
2018-04-25 22:50
#19
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
it does not bottleneck the gpu i dont know why everybody dislikes this
2018-04-25 22:51
Since you spent 1600 EUR you want to be a bit future proof, more and more games starts to utilize the CPU and maybe in 2 years time your CPU will be bottlenecking. Also better CPU is useful in other tasks like day to day browsing or productivity. Anyway, if you plan to spend this much for a high end PC why cheap out on the most central component? it's like buying a Lamborghini but with a ford fiesta engine :)
2018-04-26 15:01
#148
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
this guy is totally clueless, tell me how an i5 6600k (2 year old cpu) bottlenecks any of the graphics cards available on the market aside for the titans and quadros. Fuck, the 2500k (7 year old) still holds up pretty well. and you analogy should be more like buying a lambo with a v6 in it, not overboard, but stilll a lambo
2018-04-29 12:17
shut up noob I said in the future it might not hold up as well read moron also he said he buy a non OC-able i5 8400 which is a $150 cheap ass shit, equivalent to a 100hp engine
2018-04-29 13:09
#154
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
cheap =/= bad 6 cores 100hp? lmao a pentium dual core could be a 100hp engine, only difference between 8400 and 8700k is ocability coupe of megahertz here and there and double the threads (SAME AMOUNT OF PHYSICAL CORES) as well as double the price. he is way better off with i5 and a cheaper b series board
2018-04-29 13:20
If you don't know how important multithreading and overclocking is then you can go fuck yourself ignorant shithead
2018-04-29 18:42
#157
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
it is important but not +500$ to a budget important.
2018-04-29 18:42
8700K $ 339.99, 8400 $ 178.99 ---------------- +$161 next time only talk when you know the shit you are talking about. I bet you are one of those poor shits who owns a $500 'gaming' PC and think it's high end
2018-04-29 19:43
#160
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
dude z370 board(needed for oc) - b360 board -120$ normal cooler - high perf aio/noctua(needed for oc) -80$ cpu price diff -161$ adds up to 361$ in net savings which accounts for almost 25% of the price of the whole build, if he had the 2k to go with it sure great choice but realistically at his budget this is his only really viable option.A 25% increase in price isnt justified at all by the slim performance upgrade (FOR THE TASKS HE IS GONNA BE DOING, aka games). he wil get what, 10 mpre fps? will u pay 36 dollars for an extra fps, i wouldnt. And no, i dont own a high end gaming computer because cars are my hobby and i prefer to spend my money on that that on shitty leds and 127192389 cores for pubg
2018-04-29 20:10
#161
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
my rig is a i5 7400 and an rx 480 with 8gb ddr4, 250 gb ssd and 2 tb hdd cost me 700 euro back in march 2017, already paid itself with crypto mining (games are for children)
2018-04-29 20:13
Seems like only shit comes out of your mouth, LEARN youtube.com/watch?v=xcmdQqh9heg Also your PC is dog shit (no joke), expected from Estonian poorfag Crypto mining makes you so edgy lul 700 EUR in 1 year POGCHAMP so much $$$ have you ever wondered why your electicity bill went up?, 'games are for children' can you be more pathetic? Why are you even on this forum? ALSO $361 is 300 EUR which is less than 20% increase in budget. ESTONIAN MATHS LUL You should stop embrassing yourself and just admit you are dumb shit. Next time stop making pathetic excuses to cover up your idiocy, and stop calling other people clueless when you are the dumb donkey
2018-04-30 11:03
#18
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France NedMeister 
gtx 1050ti and give me the leftover money :)
2018-04-25 22:51
#20
shox | 
Sweden okaynoyes 
You don't need an i7 but get a 8600k. 8400 will be a bottleneck to the 1080
2018-04-25 22:52
#22
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
how sure are you that it will bottleneck i did my research on it?
2018-04-25 22:53
#29
shox | 
Sweden okaynoyes 
95W vs 65W and an extra 300MHz for all 6 cores is quite significant. Also the 8600k will overclock which makes it even better. It's like a 45 USD difference (at least in my country) so it's a no brainer
2018-04-25 22:58
+1 this. Drop your SSD to 250GB to make the cost difference.
2018-04-25 23:14
Adding another SSD is also way easier since you just get a 2nd one in a few months once you need more space..
2018-04-28 09:07
#45
Sunde | 
Denmark Cabbi_OP 
8400 wont bottleneck even 1080ti, its great cpu with solid ipc, has great boost clock, and runs wayyyyy cooler than i5/i7 K versions, no need for beefy water cooling, delid and other stuff. Also requires cheaper mobo, and its insanely better value.
2018-04-25 23:13
#52
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Thanks for letting me know was worried that it would bottleneck with @okaynoyes comment
2018-04-25 23:30
#54
Sunde | 
Denmark Cabbi_OP 
it wont but read #43, i explained it in details
2018-04-25 23:32
#26
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
i5 8400 is fine for 1080, it will last longer than the gpu...
2018-04-25 22:56
#27
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Mexico Autistmeister 
I5 8400 and a gtx 1080 hahaha nice troll.
2018-04-25 22:56
#30
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Brazil vhoks 
If you can't wait get a cheaper card and sell it some few months later, there's always plenty of demand for used GPUs at all prices. GTX1180 is rumored to be stronger than Titan XP, so the entire 11XX series will be a great leap from 10XX and will serve your 144hz monitor for a much longer time than an still expensive 1080. Yu should also get an B360 mobo, as the i5 8400 isn't overclockable, unless you need all the Z370's PCIe lanes. The rest of the build is pretty fine if you intend only to play games on it.
2018-04-25 23:03
#56
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Still tho i think 1070 & 1080 should survive long enough to not wait on the new GPU's or am i wrong
2018-04-25 23:34
#119
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Brazil vhoks 
They will survive for years indeed, but definetly not for 144hz. If you wan't to get most out of this monitor at games other than e-sports titles, you'll have to wait. Otherwise getting an 1070/80 is completely fine.
2018-04-27 03:24
lul all the normies thinking i5=not good when actually the 6 cores will last for at least 7-8 year and probably the 1080 will suck in 5 years, btw if u get a z370 (for oc) buy a k model like 8600k or 8700k so u can oc when the cpu become pretty old
2018-04-25 22:59
I'm running my i5 2500k at 4.8ghz from 2011. Enough for every game even today at 1080p.
2018-04-28 09:09
+1
2018-04-28 15:34
#149
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
+1 me at #148
2018-04-29 12:17
8400 is good, but not for 1080, min you need 8600k.
2018-04-25 23:00
XDDDD
2018-04-28 15:34
some real thoughts: 1) what games do you play? if just csgo, 16gb ram is kinda too much. 1080 with an i5 8400 is kinda too much. i have 8gb ram paired with a 1050 ti, and i get pretty much 300 fps+ average on all maps (of course, all my settings are low. but even with high settings, i get 200+fps average on inferno, for example, with a 1050ti. so 1080 is surely too much 2) are you planning to upgrade to a 'K' processor in the future? if not, don't go for a 'z' board (z370). a 'b' board (like b360/m) is more than enough, and you can even do an h310 motherboard if you wanna spoil yourself
2018-04-25 23:06
#40
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Csgo is my main game but i play all the new games too like ww2,far cry5 and stuff
2018-04-25 23:09
#39
NiKo | 
Serbia Krosis 
Just get one 8gb RAM stick you dont need 16gb right now.The prices are really high for them so you can wait some time and buy another stick 'if needed'.
2018-04-25 23:08
#43
Sunde | 
Denmark Cabbi_OP 
1st of all you dont need z370 mobo, there is b360 now cheaper for non K cpu's. 2nd you dont need high freq ram, 2666mhz is max for that cpu, adn you wont see the difference. 3rd of all why would you pair such a powerful GPU with 1080p monitor (even 1070 is more than enough, even for 1440p gaming), and worst of a kind from 144hz range. pcpartpicker.com/list/QZCdD2 Id highly recommend this build, which is more balanced, with better quality components> cool and quiet, no need for oc, will slay all games at ultra, etc...
2018-04-25 23:11
#61
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Thanks for the tips those will help me a lot :) apreciate it!
2018-04-25 23:40
#78
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Also please take a look at #77 If i missed any of your advice
2018-04-26 00:09
Okay people have left some pretty weird replies here, your choices are fine, just a few things, if you plan to sell that system of yours in some time, the K version cpu is a must have, yes they aren't a massive upgrade over 8400 but even an 8600k would do but if you decide to stick with 8400, you don't have to spend that much money on a z370 board, you can't overclock anyway so questions you have to ask yourself with this build are, are you playing competitively or casually, do you care much about graphic detail of games or do you want to squeeze out every fps you can get for more responsiveness, i've tried every major brand's 144hz monitors, benq truly sucks for everything other than gaming, try vg248qe, same price, better colors or even a viewsonic would do the job with a cheaper price you can also downgrade the ram, if you downgrade from corsair to cheaper companies like a.data, geil and crucial you'll still get the same performance in games, ram does affect your fps unlike what some fellas are saying here and DEFINITELY stick with dual channel memory, the difference is significant, upgrading to 3200 will increase your fps slightly, it's minimal tho sorry for the long reply, good luck !
2018-04-25 23:26
#71
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Thank you apreciate the big comment!
2018-04-25 23:51
#79
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
Also please take a look at #77 If i missed any of your advice
2018-04-26 00:09
#81
Sunde | 
Denmark Cabbi_OP 
if you gonna use i5 8600k, you will need much stronger Cooling 130+ Eur, also stronger motherboard such as Asrock Pro4. In that case 3200mhz ram will be helpful, but all of that will increase a price by a big margin. if you dont know much about overclocking and setting up water cooling, id recommend to stick with the parts i have listed, since its 200% tested, because i built it for my cousin, and its working like a charm. just look at this and how pointles is to get hot furnace such as i7 8700k or similar for 1080p gaming and how insane 8400 results are
2018-04-26 00:18
As a computer engineer mastering specifically in electronics and components overall, I must say that the 8400 will feel pretty OFF with GTX 1080. u might not see in via benchmarks and stuff, but u'll feel that the 1080 isnt being used to its full potential, with that budget, YOU JUST HAVE TO SKIP THE MONITOR and definitely get an I7 8700K + GTX 1080 (regular, Ti isnt needed imo, AND TRY TO GET THE GIGABYTE G1 GAMING version with the highest clocks out of the box) cooler for cpu if u want to (the box fan is just fine but if u want to invest, u might wanna research on some decent cpu cooling systems) ditch HDD, get any up-to-date SAMSUNG M.2 SSD (preferably 250gb+ cuz 120 is just 2-3 games and ur out of space nowadays) Gigabyte MB is fine (check the QVL list in the mobo manual to avoid getting a ram that doesnt work properly on the model of the mobo ure getting - had an unpleasant experience in 2010, lot of blue screens and shit) motherboards with a Z-version chipsets aren't a must, even for building a system with the i7 XXXX-K PSU, try and get a Seasonic as it happens to be the number 1 of psu's in the market atm, (and overall for like almost 10 years now) but if u insist corsair is fine aswell. Ram... with that budget I dont think u can get a 32gb setup, but get something like HyperX fury black 8gbx2 ddr4 (like 2400mhz) and ure good to go, About people on here who told u to get like 3000mhz+ ram, its decent, no arguement there, but squeezing a 8700K+1080 into your budget instead of getting some higher freq ram sticks (than the 2400 I meantioned) , is just stupid imo, cpu & gpu give u the major boost in fps, not ram after all. **REASON I TOLD YOU TO SKIP YOUR MONITOR** being that ur budget isnt too high, fitting a monitor in there will ruin the quality of your PC and will make u regret not getting the better more powerful parts (like the 8700K which is super important imo, given we are in the mid of 2018 already) the monitor u picked is outdated asf, and plus I'd recommend to whoever is getting a monitor nowadays, for the love of god do not go for a 144HZ model, 240Hz is just way better in EVERY aspect of display tech, and no downsides (I have the XL2540 myself, for over a year now) so save up some money and get a DECENT 240HZ display. hope I helped :)
2018-04-25 23:39
+1 read 58
2018-04-25 23:40
so "As a computer engineer mastering specifically in electronics and components overall" you can clearly see he says he can't wait for new gpus to come out since he doesn't time and you somehow figure out that it's a good idea to tell him to not buy a monitor and save up, interesting and again "As a computer engineer mastering specifically in electronics and components overall" you find it suitable to tell someone to ditch HDD and buy an m.2 ssd, which literally is no different than sata ssds unless you meant NVMe and you managed to miss a part in which it is stated that he's getting a 500gb 850 evo with that 2tb HDD and even if you meant NVMe, it still will not give him one single noticable benefit in any games and overall if he doesn't wish to "work" with that system, edit 4k videos and etc NVMe will do nothing for him would you please do us a favor and tell us where are you studying exactly *to OP, this fella got the monitor part right, as i mentioned in my post, K versions don't lose much value over time, 240hz monitor will not look much smoother to your eyes but it does have a fairly reasonable impact on your gameplay, it is not going to change your world tho, if you can't stretch that much, it's fine
2018-04-25 23:49
ofc I meant NVMe, it wont perhpas make such a difference over a sata ssd, but we should upgrade and its 2018 so we do strive getting the better components (and not by overpaying or smth as I see it) I build a shit ton of systems with nvme and its faster than my SAMSUNG 850 PRO , (even with simple boot tasks in windows) I didnt "miss" anything because I didn't read the whole topic, just the components he's willing to get, ran through it and wrote my comment on that. and yeah, I find it completely fine telling him to ditch HDD to invest in the more impactful components due to his budget (which OBVIOUSLY isnt too high) . nvme > evo/pro 850/950/960 sata any day now, and ye even without being an engineer I can tell you that, simple stuff. and Im not studying, graduated a long time ago. TO OP, dont have time to wait? get what u want but not the 144hz monitor, because you'll be regretting this in a very short time from now.. Sepehr, nt.
2018-04-26 00:00
First of all, massive props to you for figuring out NVMe is faster than sata, and incredible job in witnessing the 2 second difference in windows boot, however, you still are missing the point just like you missed half the topic, and that is using NVMe for gaming makes no sense whatsoever, I've compared 960 pro and Evo with Samsung 850 Evo, Kingston UV400, mx300 and SanDisk ssd plus and cold windows boot reached a maximum of 3 seconds of difference with again, no benefits at all in gaming Your unnecessary predictions for future will only cause him the extra money that he does not have, but, I agree with your words if he wasn't in a rush and he had a higher budget
2018-04-26 12:13
#150
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Switzerland zero_hoes 
+1
2018-04-29 12:19
#80
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
First thanks for the big advice and also please take a look at #77 If i missed any of your advice
2018-04-26 00:10
1080 and not 240hz screen? In 2018?
2018-04-25 23:35
+1, read 55
2018-04-25 23:39
Yeah I read it after my comment. I agree with it beside my limited knowledge on pc config.
2018-04-25 23:40
#64
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Canada mattyfinch 
Swap out some parts 1. Ram. Get some 3200mhz instead of the 3000. 2. You can get better deals on the EVGA 1070ti or 1080 3. for the extra $$, get a gold cert 750watt PSU 4. inwin 101 > all cases in that size. 5. change CPU to a 8600k and get a decent cooler. 100% better build
2018-04-25 23:41
#72
mixwell | 
Spain loviac 
Agree on everything except on gold 750W just get bronze plus and maybe modular if u want it to look beauty and want to update it in a fast way in the future.
2018-04-25 23:52
#90
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Canada mattyfinch 
The cost difference, for a much more stable rail, is very small now a days. A bronze will work fine, and modular goes without saying.
2018-04-26 03:24
#65
mixwell | 
Spain loviac 
I would go for i5 8600k
2018-04-25 23:42
#69
mixwell | 
Spain loviac 
Actually you currently don't need 16gb so I would rather buy 8600k instead of 8400 and if u have no money left to spend just -8gb
2018-04-25 23:47
#66
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Other canano 
That build isn't balanced, at all.
2018-04-25 23:42
>1080p >1080 gpu pick one
2018-04-25 23:43
nice imo :) hope u enjoy
2018-04-25 23:53
I'd get a 250GB SSD and a 2TB HDD
2018-04-26 00:02
#77
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
So from what i've read by you guys is this the best solution: -change 1080 -> 1070 -change i5 8400 -> i5 8600k + cpu cooler -change 3000mhz ram -> 2666mhz (Yes this build is only for gaming and i need a hard drive to store my loads of games and no i don't need more then 144hz) Besides all that never expected this much tips and help and you better know i apreciate that :)!
2018-04-26 00:06
lower ram freq to get better cpu / gpu is the way to go surely. if u do not need more than 144hz so get a better one because xl2411 is out-dated as helll nonetheless.. better displays will be (if u like 27" screens) XL2720 (Z or non Z doesnt matter, and its still 1080 and not like 1440 or anything) if u still want 24" , Best options for you will be: BenQ 2430 (zowie rebrand) Asus VG248QE (my first 144hz monitor, great 144-entry display, and its probably the cheapest of the decent ones) and I found this AOC model which some of the known CIS pros use : amazon.com/gp/product/B00HY7PAUC/ref=as_.. cant tell you if AOC is worth it, but the asus and the benq definitely are..
2018-04-26 00:27
#85
nexa | 
Germany DaJonsa 
Overall, you did a good job picking your components. The only thing I can't understand at all, is the PSU. You have such great components, and you are not spending a few bucks more on a proper PSU, it's not even a Silver Tier PSU. (more information about PSUs can be found here: tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-.. 1080 is a good choice for gaming, but the CPU definetly bottlenecks it, though I5s in general are a good choice. No Up- or Downgrade needed with the RAM, it's perfectly fine. SSD is maybe outdated, and the SANDISK Ultra II has more bang for the buck. NZXT Cases are a great choice at anytime, cable management is super easy. I wish you a lot of fun and joy with your new setup!
2018-04-26 00:39
Please do share your experience about 8400 bottlenecking gtx 1080, please do tell about the resolution, game and setting you tested these two on, I would love to know the 'facts' behind that 'definitely' that you wrote, thanks
2018-04-26 12:26
So for the sake of your gaming experience I would advise against downgrading to 1070, yeah yeah a lotta people say 1070 is more than enough for 1080p, it is NOT if you are competitive player and want that extra 2 millisecond (just a random number, but around there) of responsiveness, if you're not competitive it's fine, however, the difference between 1080 and 1070 should cover upgrading from 8400 to 8700k, I'm not sure about the prices in your country tho, 8600k also will keep its value, by lowering your ram frequency you'll lose only around 2,3 fps, not a huge deal i assume, please do consider Seasonic PSU's because as of late, corsair has been really letting us down with lower grade psu's, in general the quality of their PSUs has decreased noticeably over the past 3,4 years, you don't have to get gold certificate but if seasonic has one in that price range, go for it Just know, your 8400 will barely, ever, possibly, maybe bottleneck your gtx 1080 in one game, it's a fantastic cpu, you will get a significantly better FPS with 8400 and 1080 in every single game than with 8600k and 1070, yeah your 144hz monitor will not 'show' you more than that BUT higher FPS = lower response times Good luck
2018-04-26 12:23
Get a K CPU
2018-04-26 00:39
0/8 can't even run cs 1.6 on that machine omegalul
2018-04-26 02:53
#94
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France HYPNO5 
1600$ build - i5 8400 . /close
2018-04-26 07:27
+1
2018-04-27 09:21
that cpu seems weird when so good gpu xd
2018-04-26 12:27
For 1600 thats garbage
2018-04-26 12:27
#103
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Norway IndiZone 
What games are you gonna play with this pc?
2018-04-26 12:29
MSI 1050ti instead
2018-04-26 12:31
pcpartpicker.com/list/fLphtg or pcpartpicker.com/list/WPvRTB (ONLY dif is the power supply, smaller cpu cooler) Here :D great build and prob the best u can possible get for that money but no monitor ;D
2018-04-26 13:24
WOW some of these coments... best ones are those that tell u to put i7 8700k in a 1600eur build.
2018-04-26 14:46
Very bad unless you enjoy playing cs with 150 fps kkkkkk
2018-04-26 14:50
dump i5 get a ryzen!!
2018-04-26 14:56
#114
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Poland teacandothat 
u want 1080 and i5 xdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
2018-04-26 14:58
get i5 8600k or some new i7 or keep ur 8400 and get some cheaper card like 1050ti otherwise it will look weird asf
2018-04-26 15:01
#122
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Brazil Suk_Mik_Hok 
That i5 is definitely fine for the 1080, i have an i7 4770, almost 4 years old, and it doesnt bottleneck my 1080. If I were you I would buy the 1080 ti though, if I could get the money for it.
2018-04-27 05:35
If you buy i5... Buy atleast 8600k because its actually good cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core.. If you multitask go for Ryzen :)
2018-04-27 09:25
Go with M.2 slot SSD
2018-04-27 09:28
good choice +1
2018-04-29 21:00
if u want overclock in future buy i5 or i7 with K, non overclock without K, i5 8600k or 8700k is setup for an years, but these processors need good mobo, Gigabyte Z370P D3 is not enough - bad power section for OC, mobo will be burn, try to buy faster ram if price will be the same 3200mhz, the faster ram give more fps in game
2018-04-27 22:06
#137
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Lithuania D1zr3t 
Go back to building lego
2018-04-28 09:08
1600€ Build i5 8400 ????????? this has to be a troll get at least 8600k if you're getting an i5
2018-04-28 15:38
#158
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Sweden aer1aL 
prntscr.com/jbn2gt XL2411 monitor, the total price is $1876.67 on PCPARTPICKER, 1600€ is 1942-43$ so you have around a hundred left, you can get a better SSD for that if you want. i5 8600K can be easily overclocked to above 5.0GHz with a X62 and will still be cool AF. Any more questions?
2018-04-29 18:48
#162
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Germany Tunio 
i5 8400 dude wtf are you serious?
2018-04-29 20:58
whats wrong with i5-8400 ?
2018-04-30 06:19
#171
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Germany Tunio 
its 1600 € build an i5 8400 has no place there
2018-04-30 12:30
0/8
2018-04-29 21:03
#166
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Lithuania pornohub_su 
Very bad, I could/did better for 150$.
2018-04-29 23:37
z370 + i5 8400..... no worth it pick up i5 8600k or i7 8700k and that will be good
2018-04-30 06:17
feedback is this ok? Intel Core i7 6700k 4.00GHZ CPU GTX 1080 Turbo Graphics Card ASUS Z170 AURA Pro Gaming Mothereboard Ballistix 32GB DDR4 RAM Corsair 540 Air Case Crucial 1TB SSD Hard Drive Corsair RM850X Power Supply Hyper 212 Evo CPU Cooler
2018-04-30 18:54
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