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Enlighten me about it.
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Turkey casmere 
So, I had a conversation with one of my Muslim friend here. I'm myself an atheist, and I gave him some of my arguments. He said they were cool but he said I have only one question that I can't understand and if I could persuade him, he said he'd be an atheist as well. This is the question : how did the first human came into existence? I was blown away by it because I've never thought about it before. So I made some research and I found out that two scientists came up with the "seeding" theory, which is simply a crap because it says that the first seed was from the out space from an alien. Then the human race came into existence. Then I stopped researching as I got things to do. So guys what do you think about it? Does this disprove atheism or what?
2018-04-30 19:58
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Canada Surzz 
what do you think it means?
2018-04-30 19:59
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Turkey casmere 
It means that there may be a God and since I believed there wasn't any because evolution theory made sense to me. And if I can't find an answer to this question, yeah the path is pretty unequivocal.
2018-04-30 20:29
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France mintzz 
Single cell reproduced again and again until complex organisms were created, they changed overtime and split in different branches and so on; Not hard, makes sense.
2018-04-30 21:23
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Turkey casmere 
But how man? We're so complex that it's kinda hard to believe that.
2018-04-30 23:54
there was billions of years for us to come along, it is almost given that humanity would exist given enough time
2018-04-30 23:57
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Canada Surzz 
why would you want to be enlightened when you have all this figured out?
2018-04-30 21:57
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Turkey casmere 
It's just this question.
2018-04-30 23:53
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Sweden kallespann 
hmm this is good shit finally good argument from a religious one
2018-04-30 20:01
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African Union Bruce U 
shows how dumb u are maybe
2018-04-30 22:09
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Sweden klangoo 
zero notion of evolution
2018-04-30 22:13
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2018-04-30 20:01
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Turkey casmere 
Didn't like the logic anyway lol
2018-04-30 20:25
we evolved when a type of homoid started walking on 2 feet. for whatever reason. probably had something to do with food. that's pretty much it.
2018-04-30 20:06
Don't think about the first human, ok? Think about the first living being, whatever it was. Or you know what? Don't think about it, you won't find an answer anyway. I mean, think about the whole universe: 1) How did it appear at all? 2) If it's not infinite then what is outside its "borders"? The very notion of anything that has an infinite size blows my mind. 3) The same question about time - how does it start and what had been before it started? I mean, if the universe and time haven't been forever (which is the same infinite shit), how did it appear? Things don't appear from nothing. And you know what? The same concerns God - it's either infinite and has been existing forever (which is WTF?!), or it appeared somehow and the questions are how and what had been before it? Don't even try ;-)
2018-04-30 20:14
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Germany Rusty_ 
+1, it is just not really understandable.
2018-04-30 20:16
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Turkey casmere 
So you're getting away with it just like that. I mean yeah that's possible but man if you're believing something, you should be pretty sure (unlike most of the religious crowd.)
2018-04-30 20:32
I'm not talking only about God, I'm talking about everything, I can't understand how something can have no starting/ending point.
2018-04-30 20:33
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Turkey casmere 
But it must have and religious people can just say it ead God who created all this, simple as that.
2018-04-30 20:38
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Lots of people need to understand the word believe on its own..... "to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so"
2018-04-30 21:44
This has kept me up manyyyyyy nights....
2018-04-30 20:41
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Turkey casmere 
I thought you were gone lol
2018-04-30 20:43
Stopped reading at im myself an atheist after checking your flag
2018-04-30 20:26
+1
2018-04-30 20:28
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Turkey casmere 
Okay
2018-04-30 20:29
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Turkey casmere 
Guys if you have something I can read and understand, let me know please.
2018-04-30 20:30
It's a great effort friend, better than the usual bs attempts people try with here nowadays, but I will give srs answer anyway! Humans didn't just show up one day, it was gradual process like with every other single animal on planet and that has ever lived. A great and well documented example is the different types of native Hawaiian birds. They all start from a single species and slowly evolved into all the different ones.
2018-04-30 20:34
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Turkey casmere 
Yes I said that as well but it neither convinced me nor did my friend as he said why did the evolution stop then? And blown again lol
2018-04-30 20:34
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Denmark KrynexCS 
What? Why did the evolution stop? It's a slow, gradual process and humans are still evolving, it's just incredibly slow compared to our "known human timeline"
2018-04-30 20:43
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Turkey casmere 
Is it proved that our evolution still maintains?
2018-04-30 20:47
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Denmark KrynexCS 
No it is not proved but it's very viable theory, and lots of information and discoveries point in the direction of evolution being real. For example: There were bird species on islands near south america (if im not mistaken) which were isolated to different environments on the islands and because of that, they developed different niches, which means they had different "specialities" like bigger and smaller beaks for different kinds of food, and so on :)
2018-04-30 20:53
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Turkey casmere 
I know that it's more rational than something's creating the whole universe just for fun but yeah this question was really good. So here's what I got, world became world in millions of years of evolution and still evolves. I'ma make more research on this subject damn it sucks.
2018-04-30 21:00
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Denmark KrynexCS 
yep it's a really good question, keep questioning it, I believe it creates a really interesting conversation
2018-04-30 21:19
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African Union Bruce U 
shouldn't you be careful though? you don't want to get lynched by your friends
2018-04-30 22:11
Yes. Look at flatworm eyespots. Look at salamanders that get more poisonous their each generation so that snakes don't eat them
2018-04-30 21:27
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
+1
2018-04-30 22:10
How did the first live on earth develop ? I mean out of nothing ? That's really interesting.
2018-04-30 20:34
Abiogenesis is very interesting indeed, but not as mysterious as you might think once you start to read up/research what we know. The stuff that blows my mind on this kind of stuff is how Photosynthesis got going, as well as all the 'chance' catastrophe's from across cosmo/macro/micro scales that paved way for us.
2018-04-30 20:41
The proof of god being real consists of a lack of proof....
2018-04-30 20:44
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Turkey casmere 
That's why I became an atheist dude, the thing is just that.
2018-04-30 20:56
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Portugal tiagofrosty 
Neither science or religion can reply to that... Stop trying to know everything, that's what is wrong with religion, you want to explain everything but you can't, it's not possible. Belief does not make something true, it's simply a belief, you either believe or you don't.
2018-04-30 20:48
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Turkey casmere 
Their God creates and that's how they're so confident in their lives because they are sure about it. I'm just saying that if we don't believe in God, we should have a better understanding of how we came into existence. I know it's silly to try to understand everything but it kinda sucks against a religion person, they're instantly turning into your superior lol
2018-04-30 20:52
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Portugal tiagofrosty 
Yes, we should have a better understanding of how we came into existence, but Gods do not improve that, unlike science, that has theories that try to explain some of the biggest mysteries in the world. Also, a theory is not something that is true, it's something that is currently accepted by scientists. Science is temporary and it is always changing, which means improving our knowledge every day. A religion does not do that, it gives an exact way of what something is and people blindly believe it. In my opinion it's more important to develop work and show evidence instead of believing and trying to know everything, like hundreds of religions try to do.
2018-04-30 21:04
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Turkey casmere 
You're right, it's more rational than something's creating the universe anyway. Thank you for your time brother.
2018-04-30 21:08
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Portugal tiagofrosty 
No problem dude, we may never know what created us, but at least we're improving to know it. In my personal opinion, there's more important things than religions, like ending world hunger or racism and take care of our own planet.
2018-04-30 21:12
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Turkey casmere 
You can't even imagine how much I think about these, people are dumb ugh...
2018-04-30 23:56
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
But u can't be sure about something that you only believe in neither can people be sure about how the universe started..
2018-04-30 21:48
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Finland BillNye 
you can't explain what no one knows.
2018-04-30 21:14
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Turkey casmere 
Fair enough haha
2018-05-01 00:02
some asteroids hit some shit and Nitrogen carbon hydrogen and oxygen decided to bond and shit. Then they decided to poach other elements and shit. Then they decided to become bacteria and shit. Then they became protozoa and shit. Then they became invertebrates and shit. Then they became fish and shit. Then they became amphibians (reptiles) and shit. Then they became mammals and shit. Then mammals turned into animals and shit. Then animals turned into monkeys and shit. Then those monkeys started turning more human like and shit and boom. 2 million years from them monkeys and here we are
2018-04-30 21:26
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Turkey casmere 
Why today's monkeys aren't turning into humans?
2018-05-01 00:03
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Finland BillNye 
fuckin evolution and shit
2018-05-01 00:32
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Norway rogueplayer 
God exists In fact, the answer lie within yourself. As above, so below. As without, so within. If you truly seek the Truth you'll find it, however you've to ignite the Fire. For instance, you can't recieve 4G network from an old Nokia 3310 modell because it's simply not compatible. It's the same with higher conciousness, it's a reason why religion, especially eastern religions, say you ought to treat your body as a temple
2018-04-30 21:39
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
You believe in God right?
2018-04-30 21:49
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Norway rogueplayer 
Yes, however we should establish some common ground for what we mean by God. In these types of discussion there's a big chance of misunderstandings and wrong interpretations because of the connotations followed by these spiritual terms
2018-04-30 21:58
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
Okay I don't really care in what you believe, but in your original statement you said God exists, now if you are half smart [I'm not offending you] than me and you both have to agree that neither you or I can be 100% sure that what we believe in is true because neither you or me have proof for it. The word believe itself proves my point, if you look up the definition of the word believe "to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so" then you will have to agree with me.
2018-04-30 22:11
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Norway rogueplayer 
I'm not sure if I'm following you... agree with whom?
2018-04-30 22:12
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
With me, sorry my Huawei autocorrected my word
2018-04-30 22:17
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Norway rogueplayer 
No problem. I see your point, but it begs the question, why should we use human limitations as a parameter to disclose a spiritual conclusion? From my POV that doesn't make any sense because it's simply not 'compatible', as my analogy suggested in my initial comment. I never said "I believe in God", I said "God exists", and in Alchemy that very difference in Will and Intent is a huge difference
2018-04-30 22:28
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United Kingdom Cosharek 
That's why I asked you if you believe :D beyond the point, I respect your opinion. You seem quite smart, good for you enjoy the night brudda
2018-04-30 23:06
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Brazil nyz 
I think Darwin's evolution theory answers this question?
2018-04-30 23:09
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Turkey casmere 
You got a link or something? the sources I found in Turkish said it didnt.
2018-05-01 00:00
Evolution my friend.
2018-05-01 00:02
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Turkey casmere 
But how come such a complex creature has come into existence? It just doesn't make sense.
2018-05-01 00:04
google "The Tree Of Life" and find the images, it's a pretty good representation in 1 image.
2018-05-01 00:06
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Sweden bbq2213 
because we have EVOLVED we didnt just go from nothing to what we are now, it all came in steps. from one cell creatures to what we are now. every little difference has come from our environment and our needs
2018-05-01 00:11
our existence itself disproves atheism. it's an irrational position to hold - a more rational one would be monotheism - that everything goes back to one creator, which is a fundamental principle of islam anyway. youtube.com/watch?v=WP8bDTKMCuI
2018-05-01 00:05
We could go on with this queation to indinity. How did the first human came into existence?Religious people would say God creatid it.But then what created God?And what created that thing that created it? And we can just go on until we can
2018-05-01 00:15
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Hungary Rollie 
It's called evolution, I know in Turkey it isn't an accepted fact
2018-05-01 00:34
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Turkey casmere 
Wowww thank you
2018-05-01 10:08
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