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Only 21years in the jail? Oh cmon he deserve setence of dead .. What u think? 21years its enough for that psycopatic?
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tbh. when it comes to someone shooting children and young adults just because he wants some attention it makes me reconsider my way of thinking although I generally agree with you.
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If we kill Breivik we are 1.) Murderes, and we are no better then him. 2.) He will be considered as a martyr, and he will not suffer for his actions.
I'm also gonna try to explain alot of the talk around "only" 21 years, and his prison cell. In norway you can get 21 as a max first sentence, after that you can get additional 10 years, and 10 years and so on...
In norway we don't want any criminals, thats why we don't send people to jail to suffer. We send them to jail to make them normal. Sending them to a hellhole will not help anybody. Im not saying that we want Breivik out of jail again, but we can't go against a law just because of one single man...
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I pretty much understand the norwegian legal system and hence I know that he won't ever leave prison again in his entire life. All I am saying is that I could understand that there would have been made an exception for him concerning death penalty because of the cruelty and relentlessness of his criminal act. I do not support death penalty in any kind of way, sorry if my previous post was a little confusing :)
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I dont think he actually is a pure psychopath. Many people blame people like Breivik for being a psycopath.
I think he had some "psycopath" in him. But i dont think he is a psycopath.
He is to smart and intelligent to be a psycopath because they tend to use violence and become angry pretty fast.
Breivik deserves do be studied, i think he is an interesting person because of his behaviour.
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He has a mental problem IMO jail is not the rigth sollution but not either death. Some hostipal for crazy fuckers
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Uhm no, he didn't want it. On his final words he even apologized for not killing more people.
«Breivik has previously stated that a ruling pronouncing him sane would validate his crime as a political act, while an insanity ruling would be a fate “worse than death.”»
rt.com/news/breivik-found-guilty-mind-46..
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psycopaths are smart. I didnt say anything else.
Since my english isnt that good and i dont feel like typing for 50 minutes, im just going to say
I think Breivik has aspergers/autism and Social Anxiety Disorder.
I have researched this a long time so i know this subject. I think Breivik is an intelligent and interesting person who should be studied.
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A dane from Morroco?
Didnt know that - to me he is a pshyco and what i would def. call mentally ill
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nono I just wonder about the Morroco flag when you wrote in danish to me :PpppPPppPP
English only please. Thank you.
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Anyone who does what he has done cant be sane
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Why would you "lol" at that? Typos happen mate
sad life if you "lol" at such things really :/
he obviously have some mental issues(most of us do, some more than others), but not enough to send him to a psychiatric hospital. both the court and the majority of norway's psychologists saw him as legally sane.
He won't come free anymore so whatever.
Deserves dead? Where's the point of this stupid law? He doesn't even have to sit in jail then because he's just dead then.
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Yes he will get out before probably
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not at all. his jail time will be extended every 10 years after the 21 years are done. that's how it's done in norway when a felon is still considered a threat to society, something this man will be to till the day he dies.
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I know its hard but try
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Didnt make any sense? :)
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I think i could live in those conditions like he will without a problem from other side i would be even happy(mb thats why he was smiling today).. :DD i think i wouldn't be wrong by saying that he will have better life than 20%(mb even more) of people in Lithuania.. i wont say anything about africa countrys..
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yes .. Basketball court training room loptop people who will come to talk with me play something with me.. i dont want say more..
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He will never be let out of the prison. In norway you have something called custody. He will be held there to his death.
IMO he should be executed.
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Socialism :DDD
rather that than killing innocent people in the name of justice.
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why? he will be in jail for the rest of his life. should we change our law system completely because of one special kind of douche bag?
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no, his jail time will be extended every 10th year after the 21 years are over(custody), because he'll always be considered a threat to society.
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When i would want to kill somebody i should do this in Norway.
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OR if i will have bad life and i wont see anything good in my future i will kill somebody in Norway..
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care we have killer there oO
The chance of him being in there for 21 years or less is very slim.
When he's been in jail for 21 years, it will be judged (every year or so) if he's capable of being released of jail, and that probably won't be the case for a long time afterwards (I assume)
It's almost the same case if he was declared insane and moved to an asylum. (But a different amount of base-time, and a slight different kind of probation)
This is a win for the Norwegian people who treasure their democratic and national (and socialistic) values, even though many would still like to see him dead.
But it's sadly a win for Breivik himself because he wanted to be declared sane...
If it was a killing spree in Texas or similar, I would have been just fine with him being electrocuted or hanged.
he should not have contact with people that he might want to harm.
it's a bit too late for a revenge in a form of death sentence or something else. what's important is that he is unable to kill people.
if he ever gets to understand what he did was wrong / that nazism or whatever he supports is wrong, he should be released.
as i said, it's too late for revenge of those who have lost their loved ones. killing him is not the way to deal with this form of extremism.
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"if he ever gets to understand what he did was wrong / that nazism or whatever he supports is wrong, he should be released."
Why should he be allowed redemption? If he regrets his action later during his sentence then its his own fault. The damage is to huge. It's not like he killed 1 guy only...
There were lots of nazism during war in balkan from Serbians side. Their agenda was to wipe out Muslims from Bosnien and take back countries to reform Jugoslavia. When they failed. Arkan, milosovic and the co tryed to kill each other to escape life sentence on court. "Strong Brothership"
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i'm from slovenia so i have a pretty clear picture of what has been happening in balkans.
you didnt provide a good argument against releasing him if he ever becomes aware of what he did, really.
the goal of punishment is change to better, not revenge. if he changes to a better person, he should be released.
society has to fight xenophobia in a different way, "eye for an eye" principle does not give good results - the "western" society has gotten enough proof for that.
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21 years is the maximum according to Norwegian law. However they also added that it is "subject to extension", which means they can literally keep extending his sentence as long as he is deemed a threat to society, which is a no-brainer that he would be continuously.
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I read some comments and this what i think :
first can you call place jail when you have a ofice with loptop, training room with body-builder that not everyone of us can let ourself to buy...normal rooms with windows normal beds.. And i gues he will eat like every normal free person mb even better and for free he wont work for it or anything.... ITS SO STUPID AND UNFAIR! i dont have anything against Norway i would happy to live there but i would suggest african familys who dont have conditions to live in their country to go to Norway and do some damage...
Second is - what i would do with that man.. when i saw this person (if you can call him like this)i was so angry at him just imagine how he was killing all those people without any thoughts.. i would send him to the worst prison in the world (i bet there is some..)just would leave him there and wouldn't let him to kill him self that he could sufer and regret of all he had done, would feed him just with simple cheepest bread and once per week with cheepest meat..I would do that even if i knew i will losse my well paid job and I think everyone wouldn't say to me anything as for Norwegians as for other country people
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the best penality for a cunt like that is total isolation dont let him get to much attention thats his big "kick" he recieves daily latters of appreciation and lvoe letters and shit, they just must pu him in a room give him some food and thats it no contact with the outside world only maybe his mother end of story but now you give him power
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one of many thinks i dislike about usa :)
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Good night, left side ;)
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Why you don't like death penalty?
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no socialist
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i know. i just couldnt find a suitable reply to his provoking...
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It is not provoking, it's stupid that someone stands on murder side.
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i sure dont.
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So do you support Judgment at Nuremberg?
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i support putting such people on trial. i dont support death sentence. i think the goal of punishment is to reform someone's ideas to the better. if that doesnt happen, he/she should be locked for life.
i'm sorry but you gonna have to ask more specifically, what aspect of judgment at nürmberg?
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I mean death penalty for Goering and the others. What do you think about it?
I think that death penalty could be like a 'bogey' for potential murderers.
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i am against death penalty - it's not really a punishment, since i've already told you what i think the purpose of the punishment is.
killing war criminals serves to wish for revenge, not justice... no real justice (eye for an eye) can be achieved in such cases (breivik, nazi commanders etc etc).
dont you think?
btw i consider myself extreme left - aginst any kind of violence, for total equality etc... but life is life and often we have to chose between bad choices.
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The man who murdered an innocent people deserves the same in my opinion. It doesn't matter if he is Hitler, who was Slavs killer or less known person, like Breivik.
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yea i see it's your opinion, but i dont agree with it that easily :)
Epic just epic kill 77 people get a 21 year jail and live in a 5 star hotel-look prison
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What's worst of all is that he is even getting a bigger room than people on the other side of the walls. 24square meters or something. He even has three different rooms.
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i'm coming
europe should be much more aggressive as US in what comes to justice
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Just think one more time about it. A more "aggressive" justice doesn't result in a lower crime rate. The best example for that is the USA.. an "aggressive" justice is just nonsense. A high crime rate you have to counter with education on the long term and not police or military or stricter laws but many people don't seem to understand that.
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in most US states your family has to pay for your staying in prison - and together with the fact that prisons are private the picture is quite clear, not nonsense.
private prisons want strict policy, the same way as farmacy companies need ill people.
youre right about what you said, i just wanted to counter the idea that aggressive justice is nonsense - it surely isnt to those who profit from it. and america is all about that isnt it :D
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Of course it's not but tell me, what exactly would you do? Do you really think that people who murder others care about what happens to them afterwards?
Breivik's example might be a bit "special" because of his motive but do you think he wouldn't have done what he did if the laws said 50 years prison instead of 20 or even death penalty? I doubt that.
ok... so imagine that one guy, kills your mother and your father, your still a teenager, the killer gets 20 years, he's still young, so by his 50's he's free... what do you preffer?
20years in jail or death penalty/life imprisonment?
U r just thinking in a global way... think about what those families, who lost their parents feel.
norway's recidivism rate: 20%.
us' recidivism rate: 50-60%.
only a retard would go for the american way.
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what breivik did, only americans do.
Death sentence?? Wont that be too kind?
He needs to be tortured to death!!
death setence is never the answer, even for sick fucks like him, cus then he wouldnt suffer
besides there's always that 0.00000000000000000000000001 chance he's innocent ....you never know
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yeah. death sentence isnt an answer because breivik isnt just simply a sick fuck - many people feel the same way towards mulitculturalism, although they dont go shooting people.
it's a problem within the society, not just this one man.
death sentence doesnt correct the bad ideas of some people, it doesnt do anything actually.
He'll never be let out of prison, they can keep him as long as they want to even after his 21 years run out.
These are two of the rooms Breivik has.
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His third one is like this one but it's not the one in the picture
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I think that's about what a prison cell should look like 2012 in a modern country. Cramped, plain, slightly dirty, but not a fucking dungeon cell.
It's not something I would like to spend the rest of my life in.
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I also would have killed a few politicians in my country )
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They weren't politicans, they were kids who had an interest in politics. Most of them were there for social causes as well.
he should die in prison, 21 years is not enough..
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He will.
He is a hero.
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no matter where he goes, he's in a great deal of trouble. he's one of the most hated men on this planet right now and I'm sure some inmate with life sentence would love to spend a night with him in his cell. jail is only the beginning, if he gets out he always has to look at his back
he is nothing before this guy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbi_Barayev
barayev personally cut/shot near 300 peoples
there is a price on his head:)500.000nok, i think it was
death sentence is a wierd thing...
They should make jail hell on earth, make ppl fear it. I don't know about norway but in sweden It's not that bad to be honest with you, You get a decent bed, you get decent food acording to a study the food for prisoners is better than the food youngsters get in school, you get to work out, do some sports and yeah, you live as a kid and the guards are your parents except the part that you're locked in wich I believe is good for the ppl who end up in there because they porbably don't have that much on the "outside" so yeah.. They should suffer in prison not enjoy it
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Then it woulda been like the movie "battleground" or something, He var a right extremist, and most of the killed were socialists and democrats! He also wanted to kill the whole party, as he set the bomb, but none was at job during that time, just 4-5 people, 3 died.
He wanted (Arbeiderpartiet) to understand his ideology, and on the island he killed every young Auf member, and policemen, leaders etc..
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I think that going to jail is exactly what he wanted, meaning that he was not proclaimed insane. He especially wanted to spread his ideas, which would be a lot harder with insane status. I can even relate to some of his thoughts on immigration policy, which is a big problem in europe nowadays. I just don't understand why he had to kill to make his point, and above all why he had to kill kids from his own country.
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<3 Anders Breivik
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i have 2 +1 this
cuz it true
He is a terrorist, plain and simple.
21 years is for such acrocity is a joke. But you cannot expect higher sentences for such criminals in today's corrupt european countries, especially western.
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norway western? hell the very name of the country shouts where it is located, and yet you still get it wrong. and how are they corrupt?
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I mean if someone commits such crimes then he/she deserves real punishment. If I were to decide, I would convict him for lifelong tortures. 21 years for over 70 people? It is a joke. The abolishment of capital punishment, the activity of such organizations like Amnesty International and overall lenient sentences in european countries is something I cannot understand. In Poland the vast, vast majority of people back capital punishment, yet it is not introduced due to some damn european regulations.
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It is a joke, true, but its like that in alot of countries ;(
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That is what I wrote in #170. This is the case not only in Norway, but also in other european countries.
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We may be getting too soft indeed, although in some other countries its the opposite, which isnt good either
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It is the case of personal beliefs, I believe that severe punishments like death penalty or tortures or cutting hands (for recidivist thieves) will significantly lessen the crime rate.
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Yeah probably
I would say that Breivik isn´t a Psycopath. He is an extremist. Take for instans al quida. Do they have to be Psycopaths to blow themselves up and shit? No, there only extremists that have another sight of life than the bigger part of this world, and in many peoples opinion, they are wrong in what they believe in, and what they do. So Breivik hasn´t shown any signs of beeing a Psycopath, he killed a lot of people. And anyone of us would be sorry if we wore locked up for the next 21 years, even if they have tv and internet and good food. I know I wouldn´t kill to be in prison.... Some of you might think death is the best penalty for this idiot, but i think he wouldn´t care.
Isolation for 10 years, then prison the rest would be a better punishment in my opinion. To be dead is the same as coming out to easy for this guy.. if not the theory of "Heaven and Hell" really exists, then he would go to hell, and i think his punushment in hell would be to push a square stone rock weight 200 kilos uphill for the rest of eternity, while his body is burning all the time!
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intelligent? claims to be nationalist but kills compatriots, and he is/was a freemason(Freemason nationalist? wtf?), and CATHOLIC. What does Judeo-Christianity has to do with our culture?
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I've read that book.
Wow if only the prison has good internet, id kill 100+ children
IF he was a Muslim he would have got a death sentence
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Thats what you think my freind...No one is allowed to kill innocent in Islam
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1. that's the idea of muslims you get from mainstream media isnt it.
2. an incredible number of people in europe share breivik's xenophobic/nazi viewpoint - but they're afraid to express them in public.
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hahah
most often, xenophobia isn't the case, just europeans wanting to preserve european cultures, genes and values for the future. if it was up to you, I'm sure muslims would be in majority after 100-150 years.
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Agreed. However, Breivik's lunatic. As I said before, what kind of nationalism is that? He is CHRISTIAN and FREEMASON, two things that do not go well with nationalism and norse culture. And he killed people, norwegian people, so, whats the point?
Also, the immigrant problem won't be solved by killing the immigrants, he simply forgot the origin of the immigrant problem, and, ironically, he is part of it.
Sorry, jut realized that you already know it all.
he well get 5 years extra each time he goes out i think
and if he goes out someone is gonna kill him so be it xD
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he is a neonazi who killed 80 people in norway.
he's been sentenced to 21 years of prison, with a possibility of extending the time in jail to infinity.
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neo-nazi?
he's a freemason and a supporter of Israel and jews in general.
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it can be called neo nazism, he is hating foreign people and was part of a right extreme community
OH yeah and what about his salutes he does at each time court begins ?
aint that heil sign from back in the days ? yeah it is....
i dont think he is a big supporter of israel that would be illogic...
crappy joke btw.
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jeez.. if you don't know shit, don't write shit.
bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17739105
Tore Tvedt, a well-known Norwegian extreme right-winger who served as a witness in the 22/7 trial, said the following to VG:
"He's a freemason, I hate that. He's Christian, I hate that. He's a Zionist, I hate that. He hates Hitler, I hail Hitler. He supports Israel's existence and thinks that it's the core of our resistance battle. I think that the existence of Israel is one of the last nails in our people's coffin."
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crappy brain btw.
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went a bit harsh on the salute thing
here they are saying on tv its a islam, multiracial hater...etc...
so i tough he would be a neo nazi
just blame the nazis for everything :D you are silly or just ignorant
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it's a simplification but it suits his worldview as far as i know. i just wanted to describe what happened in a short sentence.
i'm neither silly nor ignorant but yeah hf
He is masonery member and follower of Israeli policy.
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neonazism is not necessarily against jews, while nazism is. generally speaking.
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Nazism was against Slavs, as I said, but some Zionists from USA paid Nazists to build death camps in Poland. It is interesting that one of the developers of the camps belonged to John Rockefeller. Of course Jews were in camps, but Poles were the most.
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and neo-nazism is not necessarily about jews, as i said.
interesting info. it's also interesting that all the german war machinery from tanks to planes used american motor oil. american companies made huge profit with war. its a beautiful world
And did you see his Jail ? Television with 15 programs, PC with games , A lot of food and rest ... its his new house for 21 years ..
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and it's paid for, gone with the mortgage
It's the max in Norway.
norway justice fail.
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in what way?
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he killed 77 people and only gets 21years? you call that a win ?
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how is your justice ?
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death.
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yeah well some say death wont make him suffer.
but in another way jailling wont help him to understand his acts and not do it again
he will be locked up for the rest of his life, as his punishment will be extended every 10th year after the first 21 years(called custody).
kinda funny... a single, clean room with bed, everything for free (food, clothes etc.) for killing 75? ppl, when there're soooo many ppl (honest and kind) around the world without a home or even money to buy some food. even more funny is that families of these victims (in some way) will pay for it. and he will be a free after 21 years :DDDDDDDDDDDD
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A bad person can be normal and healthy, correct?
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"A bad person", that's how you define someone who does what he did? If then, yes, sure.
But if you define normal and healthy and place his plan, what he did and how he reacted to it on top of that, then no.
In his mind what he did was necessary. I hate religion, I hate french people in general, I hate arrogant people. I don't find it necessary to murder them.
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'Bad person' is the most neutral term I can think of as if I use 'psycopath', 'sociopath' etc. I may be using it wrongly as it may not apply in this case.
As far as I understand your words you identify 'normal' and 'healthy' as positive things like many would and actually do.
But human beings 'hide' unfortunately more things than just the positive ones. And these makes them still 'normal' and 'healthy' aside of certain 'social conventions' you live according to.
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There are people that think that physical elimination of their opponents is justified and would do it again if they had to.
As said, I understand that according to your scale of values, that you are taught or learn on your own while you live tells you to judge things one way or the other. But, as said, scale of values aren't unique and even the most terrible ones can be seen by there owners just as normal and healthy as that of someone else.
I know you would run and fortunately, for now(?), people with more positive scale of values could offer you shelter. But outside of that shelter as I am telling you, just like the old maps used to point out, hic sunt dracones (here be dragons).
Heres my opinion, he knew what he were about to do, in matter of fact he had all planed and he has more plans to kill and put bombs in places he thinks must be destroy in other countrys, so in his mind what he did was correct and he will continue to do it if he came out. Don't you think he is the only one out there with this thoughts, unfortunaly he isn't i just hope that they don't have the courage to do the same and this keep spreading like a virus, else we gonna have some serious shit around the globe :x
About the 21years well is the max for his country about the rest like fancy house etc.. i dunno and i rly don't care atleast he is far away from people and that's what matters and hope they scout him just to make sure he doesn't come out with so others plans who knows :x
Well, this is too soft for killing 77 people. He will be able to study and build his body. So he will be smart and healthly guy. It will be boring life but better than most of prisoners in the world (What about Guantanama ? Americans torture arabs just for suspecting them as terrorists). Execution is easy too he would just die.
I suggest my plan. Cut several cuts all over his body (like 20-30 cuts). Not too deep to kill him but deep to hurt as fuck and then apply tons of salt on these cuts. Tie him somewhere on the sun for like 1-3 days. Then let him recovery these cuts somewhere in cold jail. Now repeat your process x77. If he will be able to survive this exile him to some arabic country. My twisted master plan.
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I hope he never comes out
The guys who says he has a luxurious jail blablabla, are the same guys when see photos from countries like Brazil, Guatemala etc call them 3rd world and demand human rights.
And he will be in prison till die!
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Okay, you have no clue what you're saying whatsoever.
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To be honest, it seems like you all are hypocrites because everyday dies around 120k people from various reasons.
And you are still trashtalking about one given murderer and you don't give a fuck about other people being killed.
But there are plenty of serial killers, terrorists, corrupt officers and whatever which leads to violent death of innocent people. But still here you are, talking nonsense about Breikvik.
Moreover, any country start a war and some of you might say it is necessary. ...Really?
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