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Brazil nyz 
Why do people think that being the IGL will make your ratings drop? It's the same player, he didn't get better or worse for making the calls. It's a legitimate question, no need to insult me if you feel that is a silly question.
2018-05-15 22:05
imo those who think this mean that being a sincere igl - focusing properly on the role - focus on only one role and that is igl - not able to frag
2018-05-15 22:06
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France Ghoul98 
Yea +1 I'm IGL in a team and this is not because I'm calling that I must stop to train. I'm still a player even if I'm calling and I must be able do do as good a job as my teamates and be able to frag and kill when there's a need
2018-05-15 23:03
it's hard to focus on both things, you can be great fragger as an IGL but then you won't make right calls in most of time because you can't think about it calmly, that's why a lot of IGLs aren't making so much kills because they think about leading the game and then they kill enemies when needed.
2018-05-17 10:07
I’ve always thought the same thing. A lot of people say it’s because they focus more on Demos and strats than individual practice but
2018-05-15 22:08
IGL is calling in game ;p, its harder to focus on frags, when you have to focus about your teamm8, etc
2018-05-15 22:17
I don’t think an igl will be looking at what his teammates are doing while he is in a gun fight or peeking someone
2018-05-15 22:20
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Sweden Zaser5 
he does, he always need to say what they should do
2018-05-15 22:21
Thanks May we meet again
2018-05-15 22:23
#38
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Sweden Zaser5 
yes
2018-05-16 10:39
#41
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United Kingdom jMz86 
An IGL is also concentrating constantly on what the other team are doing, remembering which players have lost weapons and died, trying to figure out the other teams economy as well as their own, which positions certain enemies are playing. How are the other team holding positions, are they being aggressive, passive, a mixture of both. There are so many things for an IGL to think about during a game that it sometimes makes it much harder to concentrate on their own game at the time. Anyone who says an IGL doesn't have anything to think about, isn't doing a proper IGL role.
2018-05-16 14:49
#42
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Spain VIKTORAL 
+1 only real comment
2018-05-16 14:51
#45
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United Kingdom jMz86 
Yup, not to mention there are different types of IGL. x6tenz, pronax etc are very controlling IGLs, they think of everything, hence why their own games took a hit. Then you get igls like xizt, karrigan, fallen who give a lot more freedom to their star players, so although they aren't star players themselves they can still put in decent scores a lot more often than the other styles.
2018-05-16 14:53
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Spain VIKTORAL 
What about zeus? Gives so much freedom but still bottomfrags?? Maybe he controls more the emotion and feelings of the players.
2018-05-16 18:56
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United Kingdom jMz86 
This is not true, only s1mple (until recently) was really given freedom to make plays. From interview with Electronic: hltv.org/news/23370/electronic-now-im-al.. I was talking to s1mple the other day and he talked about the need to give you more freedom to play. You played well with Russia at WESG where you had the freedom of being in a mix team, and now you're playing well with Na`Vi. How have these changes affected your performance? When I'm playing now I can be a bit more aggressive. I was full support before, I guess. In my mind, I was a support, but now I'm allowed to be a player that can go get kills and do everything that I want. I do a bit less of a supporting role, while flamie started to do a little bit more.
2018-05-17 10:04
Imagine as an igl you look way more often at the mini map to know what is happening and where your players are so this gives the enemies more opportunities to catch you at those moments so you have a slower reaction to them peaking for example
2018-05-17 11:22
coldzera just proved that he can wreck enemies while igling
2018-05-15 22:07
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Brazil davidzor 
Fallen was the igl on Inferno.
2018-05-15 22:12
#24
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France Ghoul98 
Do u have sources? I've seen that he was talking during timeouts so idk what to think
2018-05-15 23:04
#46
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Ukraine vladik96 
fallen still calls on cache and inferno. cold said that on interview to dbltap.
2018-05-16 14:55
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Cyprus galaxzy 
be an igl for a top tier team then come back and say your opinion
2018-05-15 22:07
hahaha
2018-05-15 22:10
+1
2018-05-15 22:12
I am an igl for a top team and I can say that it’s not hard at all you guys act like it takes a 300 iq person to igl in a game
2018-05-15 22:15
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Portugal S4nd 
I am an igl for a top team and I can say that it’s not hard at all you guys act like it takes a 300 iq person to igl in a game
2018-05-15 22:54
I am an igl for a top team and I can say that it’s not hard at all you guys act like it takes a 300 iq person to igl in a game
2018-05-15 22:15
I am an igl for a top team and I can say that it’s not hard at all you guys act like it takes a 300 iq person to igl in a game
2018-05-15 22:17
I am an igl for a top team and I can say that it’s not hard at all you guys act like it takes a 300 iq person to igl in a game
2018-05-16 02:34
#43
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Spain VIKTORAL 
I am an igl for a top team and I can say that it’s not hard at all you guys act like it takes a 300 iq person to igl in a game
2018-05-16 14:52
He will focus more on watching demos and figuring out strats than on individual practice. In-game he must micromanage some of the players which makes him lose focus on some duel where the difference is a second.
2018-05-15 22:09
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Slovakia veeellys 
That job is for coach, micromanage can in freeze or pause. Giving calls in 2018 lul
2018-05-15 22:16
A coach can’t do that mid round like igls have to
2018-05-16 03:58
+1 this man knows
2018-05-16 03:14
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India BJH 
See the thing is when you are the igl u are more focused on the team play.Telling them what to do flashing for them smoking,baiting finding information.You have to think what the opposite team is doing and adjust accordingly and mid round call so u have to think in the round which you are currently playing and so you will not be 100% focused on your aim.And if u are a star player for your team then igl is not your role
2018-05-15 22:15
you get very distracted when you have to coordinate players from your team so youre not 100% focused on your crosshair. also you have to pay attention to things like radar and roundtime more often, you have to think about midround calls and your teammates calls / rotations. but I also think many IGLs use it as an excuse when they play bad (MSL, Zeus). other IGLs like gla1ve and FalleN have proven to be great individual players while leading their teams.
2018-05-15 22:18
Exactly this. In my opinion, gla1ve is probably the best IGL in the world right now, and he almost never falls behind the rest of his team in terms of frags.
2018-05-17 10:10
I agree. I feel like gla1ve is always confident when going into a duel, whereas karrigan or Zeus seem to just YOLO in sometimes. karrigan has some good games aswell, but sometimes I feel like hes just trying to force a duel so much just to get over it in some sense
2018-05-17 13:49
Because most of the time it made the player worse?
2018-05-15 22:23
BnTeT is tyloo's IGL and he still doing a lot of frags
2018-05-15 22:59
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Brazil ToTheStarsEZ 
i thought xccurate is the IGL?
2018-05-15 23:05
he was, he is not anymore
2018-05-16 03:13
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Denmark MeToxi 
The IGL is looking at the map etc. a LOT more than his teammates which is why he often isn't as ready for the enemies aggression. It is also common for IGL's to take either more passive or support roles or even information plays that is high risk and could easily get them killed since its easier to make calls when you're dead and the info is often worth it.
2018-05-15 23:02
this is my understanding as well which is also why teams have 'two guys calling' because sometimes you find yourself needing to be engaged and searching and not comm'ing the radar info, and sometimes you are just really good at a position on a map and need to focus that for most success
2018-05-16 03:33
#37
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Denmark MeToxi 
Most teams only have one guy calling.
2018-05-16 07:20
yes i meant some teams, but there has been an uptick
2018-05-16 14:43
#25
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Brazil ToTheStarsEZ 
because it generally does. some players seem to handle IGLing and fragging very well, but most don't.
2018-05-15 23:04
the IGL needs to be able to predict what the other team is going to do mid-round. they need to monitor the locations of their players and figure out the best course of action for what the other team might be doing. all of this takes away from your focus on fragging meanwhile the other players just need to listen to the comms, relay information, and focus on getting frags and making plays it's practically a given that the IGL will have lower stats
2018-05-15 23:06
I´m an IGL, and when I´m playing sometimes I´m more concentrated on what my teamates are doing and talking with them and that distraction sometimes costs me some frags, just that. But the skill level is still the same, obviously, but the concentration is lost a little bit
2018-05-16 03:18
an IGL cant practice individual as much as other players because IGL needs to watch a lot of demo and make some strats for the team there are a lot of things they do in background
2018-05-16 03:24
IGL needs to study more the teams and games, and dont have much time to practice individual and IGL lost a bit of focus in the games cause of tactics
2018-05-16 04:00
igls are usually older players with a lot of experience, whose job is to overlook the game not frag.
2018-05-16 14:46
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Ukraine vladik96 
IGL sacrifices a lot. Karrigan I.E always baiting for NiKo and Rain, he said that himself. And as he has to study the strats he does not focus on fragging. Its hard to find a IGL that frags as good as they lead.
2018-05-16 14:53
#47
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Belgium Ex666TenZ 
Most handsome player and best IGL Ex6TenZ
2018-05-16 14:57
#49
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Sweden tomkok1 
when you are IGL you should plan , think what other team want to do , think about eco. , and so much more you just more things to do at the same time you are a player ! you have more pressure !
2018-05-16 19:00
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Czech Republic dreamARTz 
Mb unpopular opinion but if IGL has to sacrifice his performance so he could control every step of his mates, he's bad IGL. Mb there's coach's fault too tho. IGL doesn't need to coordinate every step of every player in a team, that's bad approach imo, all that should be done during prep and training time. IGL should just direct the general vector of game, and general decisions, not all detailed steps. All players should be responsible for what they do and how they play, especially all those micro situations. I think that most players are just lazy fucks taking as little responsibility as possible, and only want higher prize pools which will allow them to do nothing for more money :)
2018-05-16 19:02
#56
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United Kingdom jMz86 
I would disagree, I think an IGL who is thinking about everything the other team is doing, thinking about plays, strats and anti strats, so that players can concentrate solely on doing their job is a great IGL. An IGL doesn't have to concentrate on what his team mates are doing during the game, that should all ready be sorted in practice, they just have to trust that they are following his strats when the games are live. What an IGL needs to concentrate on during matches, is what he thinks the other team are doing, work out their economy, use strats according to the other teams positioning, how they play and are structured. All stuff that the other players shouldn't have to concentrate on.
2018-05-17 11:16
I personally frag much more when I go on faceit with my teammates and just pug, I never fail a spray or any easy kill, but in officials I fail a lot because I never think of spray pattern or to take the best position for a frag, I always think about radar, team utility, what other team has used. If my teammates dont make any mistake, or we have an easy match I frag, but when we get taugh opponents I need to think much more and watch every teammate.. not sure if I explained it well or not but my teammates average elo is 2800+ on faceit and we get into top8/16 in most online qualifiers and thats how it works for us, not sure how it works with pros
2018-05-16 19:23
well the thing is, when you're the igl, you're focusing on the team itself, the strats to use, and reviewing demos. you're not nearly as focused on yourself and your stats as your focus in mainly on your team.
2018-05-17 10:07
#58
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Norway sAvageOG 
Thank you +1
2018-05-17 11:23
no problemo friend
2018-05-18 09:19
#59
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United Kingdom jMz86 
A good IGL wont need to think about his teammates, he should be able to trust them to do what he has asked and set up in practice, any one who thinks that all an IGL does in game is call strats is delusional. What makes things difficult for in game leaders is that they are constantly thinking about the other team. They need to think of enemy player positioning, their strats, their (and their own) economy so that he knows when and which strats to use based on the play style of the other team. They need to be able to solve any issues and fix/change things up if they aren't going well, all this whilst also trying to keep players calm and positive.
2018-05-17 11:25
try to igl yourself and you'll understand how hard it is. You dont have full concentration because you always have to process everything your teammates do me igling: pp.userapi.com/c837320/v837320702/5e55c/.. me not igling, same team: pp.userapi.com/c840222/v840222933/2ee8e/..
2018-05-17 11:28
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