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'Shox's project' will fail
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India Sunb3aM 
They literally have 2 players who can frag and boddyy who may get some frags at times if stuff goes his way. They will slowly become another version of the current EnvyUs. Watch them fall meanwhile a better french giant is born -Scream -Happy -Apex -NBK -Mixwell Literally everyone in this team has top fragging potential and definitely looks more promising on paper than Shox's project. PS: French scene will keep dying until they sort out their ego issues
2018-05-23 18:37
#1
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Denmark SuperstituM 
Ex6tenz is one of the most underrated IGLs Smithzz is insane with rifle Bodyy is one of the best supports players
2018-05-23 18:38
#3
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Europe precision6266 
-smithzz -insane pick one
2018-05-23 18:39
#5
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Denmark SuperstituM 
He isn’t good with AWP, but very good with rifle
2018-05-23 18:40
#10
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Europe precision6266 
we'll see. I hope it finally works out for shox, he really deserves a good team.
2018-05-23 18:42
He does, but the amount of feuds and arguments he gets into is really shocking and there needs to be something done to fix that
2018-05-23 18:45
you must be out of your mind >smithzz >good with rifles pick one he is a decent support player at best but what he brings to the table is that he is a great team player and if this team stays together it would be because of him
2018-05-24 06:10
Hes insane at whiffing :>
2018-05-23 18:40
+1 I lol'd
2018-05-23 18:41
#106
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United States burz3u5 
nt newfag hes not even an awper just forced role
2018-05-24 05:22
Lol so it denies that fact that he's whiffing?
2018-05-24 06:40
#119
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United States burz3u5 
yes it does but not completely
2018-05-24 06:50
#130
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South Africa JustQ3 
I remember in the old G2 with smithzz as the AWPer and he was legit a bot. Shox and Scream carried so fucking hard it was scary. Smithzz just did nothing and was a $4750 decoy.
2018-05-24 07:59
If you'd notice, in this era of CS, the role of IGL is slowly diminishing, people passing around leadership like it's cake and teams like liquid who have no concrete IGL are soaring, besides, Ex6tenz has been out of action for too long and can't sustainably compete at tier 1-2
2018-05-23 18:43
#22
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Germany Vini_1337 
> gambit without zeus > igl role slowly diminishing pick one
2018-05-23 18:46
Yeah, a lot of the teams now have figurehead igls who just choose one of the strats they have or enforces a midgame call made by him or the teammate, like tarik in old c9 or nbk in current G2 or mouz igl
2018-05-23 18:52
Astrali is the most tactical team in the world and the best team in the world
2018-05-24 07:44
#132
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United States _waterrr 
What the fuck are you on about? 4 out of the top 5 teams in the world have a dedicated caller/IGL. Your argument makes 0 sense and isn't true at all
2018-05-24 08:05
step up your baits man, you can do it
2018-05-23 18:49
#33
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Denmark SuperstituM 
I hate baiters and baits!
2018-05-23 18:50
#35
kennyS | 
Estonia BlameS 
ex6 is overrated, smithzz is trash and bodyy is a copy of smithzz.
2018-05-23 18:51
#37
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Denmark SuperstituM 
Nice arguments
2018-05-23 18:52
#38
kennyS | 
Estonia BlameS 
you're a fan of shox and scream, yikes.
2018-05-23 18:53
#39
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Denmark SuperstituM 
What’s wrong with shoxie and ScreaM?
2018-05-23 18:53
#90
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
nothing man. But the rest saying that ex6, boddy and smithzz are probably right. With their recent performances most people dont see how a team with smithzz, bodyy and ex6 could be tier 1. Its completely undestandable even if i myself respect smithzz and ex6 a lot. Even as a rifler smithzz was mediocre, not to mention he hasnt been playing professionally for 2 years. And Boddy has been averaging a 0.9 rating for the last 2 years. I reckon he might be around 1.02ish rating with better roles and a proper system but that still wont be enough in the current scene. Look at Astralis, all 5 players are top 20 fragging wise. And ex6, smithzz and boddy are not and i dont think Shox and Kenny even in their prime would be enough to make them compete with Astralis. Thats all if these 3 players perform as expected, but who knows boddy might find his early g2 form smithzz might somehow revitilize himself and ex6 suddenly becomes a god like in css but yeah you have to realize the first option is more probable to happen.
2018-05-23 19:54
Bodyys early g2 form was as bad as Smith's one
2018-05-23 20:17
true
2018-05-24 05:30
#40
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Denmark raaVz 
Ex6 - Super overrated SmithZz - Tier 2 player at best Bodyy - BOT
2018-05-23 18:55
#41
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Denmark SuperstituM 
Nice arguments
2018-05-23 18:56
#42
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Denmark raaVz 
hahahah , what the fuck ex6tenz did in 4 fucking years??? - nothing SmithZz - in 2014 decent player , but we are in 2018 with higher competition , Tier 2 player AT BEST Bodyy - Bottom fragging every fucking game vs tier 2 and tier 1 teams...
2018-05-23 18:58
#44
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Denmark SuperstituM 
Ex6tenZ played in LDLC, it is hard to achieve something Watch SmithZz’ last games on Faceit Bodyy isn’t motivated now, but he will be motivated again after EX6 and Smithzz joining
2018-05-23 19:00
Competition is fucking garbage now,stop fooling yourself delusional Astralis fan
2018-05-23 20:18
#52
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Israel Kryst1 
insane XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2018-05-23 19:24
#55
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Czech Republic DJachym 
Smithz is decent Boddyy is complete trash Tl
2018-05-23 19:38
bodyy is fuken bot
2018-05-23 19:50
#102
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Brazil Saint_Jatai 
overrated*
2018-05-23 20:24
agreed
2018-05-23 18:39
Teamwork and teamspirit > individual skill
2018-05-23 18:40
#8
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United States tediousmcgee 
+1
2018-05-23 18:40
I agree they will have teamwork but there's a serious lacking of firepower here to compete on tier 1
2018-05-23 18:41
look at navi, literally 2 fraggers still compete, here the same thing so with tactics psbl
2018-05-23 18:43
Smithzz and ex6 both have been out of action for so long, and yes the strats and teamwork should be good considering that they put in a lot of thought in this team, but I doubt if that'll be enough to pull it through
2018-05-23 18:47
#45
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Denmark raaVz 
Navi Have - The BEST Player of all Time (S1mple) - Electronic is in s1mple level right now - Flamie is decent fragger , but inconsistent - Edward is decent but sometimes BOT - Zeus is the IGL , New G2 Shox - Idk about his form but can compete at tier 1 level KennyS - One of the best awpers in the world when he is on form SmithZz - Tier 2 Player at best , but idk about his support skills Ex6tenz - Overrated IGL Bodyy - decent support , but without skills
2018-05-23 19:02
+1
2018-05-23 19:16
#98
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United Kingdom Zoro117 
Thats right and thats why smithzz and ex6 was brought into the team. But bodyy? Fk dude. Hes so shit its not even funny. He was a problem in the old g2 and im sure as hell itll be the same now too. You cant have only 2 decent fraggers in the team. Ex6 and Smithzzz are already playing a passive role.
2018-05-23 20:00
Which is why you have boddy entry
2018-05-24 06:48
bodyy's entry fragging doesn't exist. -bodyy +apEX ez top 3 I already know of the fr drama, but Shox has to realize that his team needs an agressive player, and apEX is the best in the French Scene in that role.
2018-05-24 07:29
#6
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United States tediousmcgee 
hmmmmmm what does this explanation sound like 2 players who can carry 1 who may get frags if things go his way :thinking:
2018-05-23 18:40
#12
ScreaM | 
France LauraS 
Should have chosen Apex or Nbk IMO
2018-05-23 18:41
#17
SmithZz | 
Iraq NBGay 
yeah NBGay if you want to have bad atmosphere in the team
2018-05-23 18:44
#25
ScreaM | 
France LauraS 
Its just that Body is in a slump and can barely frag most of the time. I know there are issues between players but they need someone capable of fragging. Ex6 Smithzz In the past weren't good fraggers and right now every Top 5 team has 3-5 good fraggers on their team.
2018-05-23 18:47
#27
SmithZz | 
Iraq NBGay 
only time will tell. i swear to god hltv has the most faggot loser users ever
2018-05-23 18:48
#30
ScreaM | 
France LauraS 
Don't hate on yourself :)
2018-05-23 18:49
#32
SmithZz | 
Iraq NBGay 
wdym ? are you one of those faggot kids ?
2018-05-23 18:50
#34
ScreaM | 
France LauraS 
Oh, sorry thought you must have been referring to yourself. Don't worry about it :)
2018-05-23 18:51
you pro?
2018-05-23 18:48
#29
SmithZz | 
Iraq NBGay 
ye
2018-05-23 18:48
bodyy is underated, he can play for the team, can help the team, he is good, nothing special but good. ex6 most washed up player EVER, even pronax > him lol smithzz ............................................................... this g2 still no real igl, and even less firepower than current g2 lol to me they just want to chill and ez salary
2018-05-23 18:42
Scream and happy are wasting their lives away at that dying team while worse decisions happening in the same scene.
2018-05-23 18:44
#18
ZELIN | 
Portugal cautela 
- happy + k1o
2018-05-23 18:45
Yeah,i dont think shox and kenny can carry 3 bots to championship level
2018-05-23 18:45
Yeah, I mean simple can do it because it's simple, shox and Kenny are in no way in the same form or possess the same playstyle even though they have done similar things in the past
2018-05-23 18:48
> NBK > top fragging potential I kek'd
2018-05-23 18:45
He had been performing well before their slump started
2018-05-23 18:47
Wrong. The guy gets most his kills from ecofrags. The guy is awful. This isn’t 2015/before anymore.
2018-05-23 19:09
He'd still be better than smithzz ex6 in that department
2018-05-23 19:15
Lol and if NBK is so good he should be able to succeed without the KennyS carry for the past 3 years. Personally I think the lineup will fail, but nbk isn’t the answer. I thought apex was more fitting than bodyy. But anybody but NBKarbage
2018-05-23 19:22
There has been little to no promising young talent in the French scene since the past 2 years (except zywoo) while literally every other scene is getting redone and has so many potential upcoming stars. To worsen it, the current profile french players have a weird web consisting of people who they can't play with and people they can't play without, it's literally a giant jigsaw puzzle to make a promising team out of these players without there being another fight between them. Really saddening.
2018-05-23 19:40
#128
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Canada NAFFLYjR 
At least he can still 1v5 sometimes and make it one of best highlights ...
2018-05-24 07:46
#43
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Netherlands HetIsPatat 
> French giant > ScreaM, Mixwell > Top fragging potential > NBK The amount of derp is too high in this one.
2018-05-23 18:59
They speak French and have 3 French players and would be thus referred to a French team based in France. NBK is still better than 3/5 people in the new G2 when it comes to fragging and he'd be happy to switch to his old support role, where he still was consistently fragging before this G2 slump started i.e. before march.
2018-05-23 19:04
TOP5 Max if they will play perfectly if not TOP15
2018-05-23 19:23
I, an HLTV user with no experience in even a semi-professional scene that has never exceeded FACEIT level 5, hereby declare that Shox's team will be terrible! As the players are bad! I bid you a good day, Sunbeam!
2018-05-23 19:28
>Faceit level 9 >SMFC but don't play mm at all >4k hours on Main and 1.5k distributed on smurfs >Playing CS since 2007, watching since 2013 But none of this matters because this is just my opinion, like all other's on the internet
2018-05-23 19:37
i was talking about myself sunbeamer!
2018-05-23 21:13
xD <3
2018-05-24 05:17
You're right that it's impossible to win big events when you play with Ex6, SmithZz and bodyy, it's just sad to see.
2018-05-23 19:38
#59
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India Reaper1 
Pretty sure bodyy gets removed after major xd
2018-05-23 19:40
They want 2 versatile riflers, they start with SmithZz & bodyy, but without NBK they have pretty much no options to improve the lineup firepower-wise, ZywOo has no experience and I doubt he would be interested in being a bitch of Ex6 & shox, so they're doomed, NBK has both versatility and firepower and he doesn't want to play with Ex6 & shox.
2018-05-23 19:43
cough kio cough
2018-05-23 19:48
Gotta love EnvyUs man <3 Can you believe this org won a major once lol
2018-05-23 19:51
It happened when Happy was still relevant, sad to see him being so bad now.
2018-05-23 19:54
#58
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India Reaper1 
I guess we should wait and see how SmithZz performs as a rifler. We saw him missing his AWP shots, we never saw him rifling full-time after that
2018-05-23 19:40
Yeah definitely, everyone has to be given a chance, the team doesn't look too solid on paper but if shox put in so much thought and time into this, it might be worth it
2018-05-23 19:41
no, not fucking everyone has to be given a chance. this isnt kindergarten.
2018-05-23 19:43
yeah and if they hire me, a random shitter from hltv, are u also gonna say "wait guys, give him a chance first, lets see how he does before trashing him" lol fucking smithzz has given u literally zero reason to have even the slightest glimmer of hope that he wont be fucking dogshit.
2018-05-23 19:42
The only reason why I'd give him a shot I'd because shox is confident in him and I think they owe him this much.
2018-05-23 19:43
no, shox is taking him because a) he is in love with him b) he thinks that himself and kenny are gonna be good enough to carry, which is absolutely ludicrous.
2018-05-23 19:44
Well he does have a good . . . 'body' :3
2018-05-23 19:47
#85
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India Reaper1 
do you realize that SmithZz was actually good before that slump? There's a reason he was always a part of top French teams even without shox
2018-05-23 19:52
yeah and fucking neo was good too before his "slump" give me a fucking break smithzz used to be a decent player years ago, never actually good tho.
2018-05-23 19:53
#93
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India Reaper1 
This is a hit or miss case for sure, theres no denying that this team could turn out to be dogshit.. all Im saying is it is too early to call that out
2018-05-23 19:55
are u gonna argue the same if me and my buddies from matchmaking announce that we gonna go pro? bcs its basically the same argument. "we havent seen it yet so we cant know for sure" like what kinda bullshit is that? yeah i cant guarantee either that theyre gonna be shit, but theres no reason to assume otherwise.
2018-05-23 19:57
well i would agree with ur topic but the part about the second french giant is just outrageous. the french scene is dead, they wont have a good team for a long time.
2018-05-23 19:41
They just have little to no young talent in the scene except zywoo and that's really messing the tally up
2018-05-23 19:42
and also they are fucking whiny pussies that are too lazy to fucking work? look at fucking happy its actually disgusting that this motherfucker still gets cheques shoved up his ass.
2018-05-23 19:43
The people in EnvyUs are playing with literally 0 motivation and that's so fucking pathetic, Happy and Kio double major winners, Scream often said to have the best mechanical aim, Rpk - one of the best support players in the current scene; but they don't behave like it at all and treat LANs and big games like a faceit pug
2018-05-23 19:45
0 motivation, so fucking get rid of these fucks? i literally wanna puke when people suggest "NEW FRENCH SUPERTEAM!!!!!" and it has any of these players in it.
2018-05-23 19:46
Exactly, these people are 'washed Ups' just like Hiko, pronax, Maikelele, Freakazoid etc but the thing is that the scene has nothing else to offer so we're stuck with them.
2018-05-23 19:52
i know france doesnt have any sick talents besides zywoo, so maybe lets just stop talking about them alltogether? better than talking about these washed up lazy french fucks that havent been good in years.
2018-05-23 19:54
+99
2018-05-23 19:56
#66
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United Kingdom Zoro117 
At this stage, I really doubt the success of this team too. Why take bodyy? Isn't he a problem? Didn't he caused the project to get delayed? WTF. He really dont deserved it. I like Shox but this time he went full retarded with his decision.
2018-05-23 19:43
Maybe - Mixwell + Kio
2018-05-23 19:44
No awper then and that isn't really working out well for current envy
2018-05-23 19:46
kio >> scream (current form) >>>>>>>> nbk
2018-05-23 19:49
Bodyy xD kenny and shox need to play god tier every single game.
2018-05-23 19:46
#76
shox | 
Brazil davidzor 
But is understandable why he picked boddy. He want to make sure they will be at the next major. Considering that he's not in legal ties with NBK and doesn't like Apex style it was the only option. Maybe somewhere near in the future they will remove him.
2018-05-23 19:47
Yeah maybe.
2018-05-23 19:48
- happy - scream +tabsen + woxic (picked up by SK Gaming)
2018-05-23 19:48
Woxic knows French?
2018-05-23 19:53
uhhhgh english bro they're speaking it in G2 rn or were a bit at start...
2018-05-23 19:58
SmithZz is quite good with rifles
2018-05-23 19:50
yea this team will fail for 2 obvious reasons: 1. not enough firepower 2. 3 support players and no entry fragger at all another shuffle in 4-5 months
2018-05-23 19:52
well shox would entry but oh shit yeah that means they would be bad cuz kennys would have to be the guy who goes 3rd on a execute and kills 2 people but wait he's an awper...
2018-05-23 19:59
shox as entry is stupid, just like shox as igl. he is lurker...
2018-05-23 20:00
>scream
2018-05-24 05:20
NBK won't play with Scream.
2018-05-24 05:41
#109
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Belgium Ex666TenZ 
Ex6TenZ Best IGL and most handsome player SmithZz good on rifle bodyy clutch winner Your project with Peppy and Apex will not work
2018-05-24 05:50
How the fuck do people have such a 180 view of Ex6tenz and Smithzz. It's like you snap a finger here and people change their opinions. It's fucking crazy.
2018-05-24 05:54
Its not all about fragging,its all about chemistry,and these 5 have pretty good chemistry,so i think that they will succeed more then " french superteam " did.
2018-05-24 06:02
French superteam when founded was actually pretty good for a 4-5 months and did actually win a few tournaments as well
2018-05-24 07:33
So as Navi when they brought s1mple,they won ESL NY 2016 and after that they were shit because they didn't have true lidership.
2018-05-24 08:42
#113
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Israel asafborger 
stfu streetshitter
2018-05-24 06:16
Very compelling argument
2018-05-24 07:33
"PS: French scene will keep dying until they sort out their ego issues" Tbh I can't help but agree with you. There's so much potential in the french scene and they constantly fail to take advantage of it due to personal reasons.
2018-05-24 06:22
#116
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Turkey Alpyy 
I agree with you. And they only made -nbk - apex and +Ex6tenz +smithzz. wtf is this roster change?
2018-05-24 06:45
keep underestimating team chemistry and support players. Fnatic won a major with schneider and devilwalk
2018-05-24 06:44
#120
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India hell_razerd 
2 30 Year olds..How long will they even last ? :P
2018-05-24 07:08
#121
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Spain JasonRacism 
Bodyy will be kicked after the major, Don't underestimate mastermind Ex6TenZ, SmithZz is average with rifle, He is a bit like Cajunb, Should never be a main AWP ever again, Just focus on rifling
2018-05-24 07:27
Cajunb ain't no average player
2018-05-24 07:33
I guess their goal will be to bite and scratch and somehow get into playoffs, so they can then make a new core out of this team and get 1-2 better fraggers.
2018-05-24 07:35
It will work
2018-05-24 07:58
>French >Mixwell pick one
2018-05-24 08:01
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