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FaZe Fallen
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Europe glowhand 
when?
2018-06-19 07:19
-karrigan +FalleN Dude... would be unreal
2018-06-19 07:21
Language barrier?
2018-06-21 13:54
#7
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Israel unsolid 
fallen has a great english
2018-06-21 13:55
#10
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Romania RyuunosukeE7 
+1
2018-06-21 13:56
#68
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United States Theabsolute 
Ye unlike you
2018-06-21 17:17
#77
sergej | 
Other Tyload 
expected
2018-06-21 17:30
#82
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Israel unsolid 
weird, ur mum told me otherwise
2018-06-21 17:46
#86
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United States Theabsolute 
Damn 30 minutes to google translate at least 50 times and open at least 5 dictionaries to reply.... but Expected from Israel mongol
2018-06-21 17:55
-(-1)
2018-06-21 18:35
#111
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Turkey b0wsette 
x^2-2x+1
2018-06-21 20:57
#110
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Lebanon Delsol 
Lmao
2018-06-21 20:54
#134
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Israel unsolid 
More like I wasn't opening HLTV until then.. My english is just as good as yours but unlike you, i'm not trying to prove anything. What an idiot please don't tell me you're a real astralis fan.
2018-06-22 11:06
#136
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Australia Dadecum 
fuck off jew
2018-06-22 12:14
what language barrier?
2018-06-21 13:55
#45
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
FalleN does 92.83% of interviews for SK (MiBR in 2 days)
2018-06-21 16:38
ahhhh ok, fair enough, but with Stwie on SK, if u read the articles on hltv, fallen does talk about English being a problem, because they have to be perfect when they are playing, the same is with smooya on BIG
2018-06-21 16:50
#47
shox | 
United States Covahh 
He was talking about boltz' and coldzera's english problem. Fallen is way more than capable of giving proper english calls even in panic situations.
2018-06-21 16:53
#63
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Brazil caoticos 
he's even the IGL in pugs, people are crazy lul
2018-06-21 17:15
ok he did not specify with problems he juts said we have problems
2018-06-21 19:38
#117
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Cuz boltz fat ass can barley speak English.
2018-06-21 22:07
Gay
2018-06-22 12:13
i hate how y'all always speculate... even if they become mibr, how are u so sure
2018-06-21 17:03
#64
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
1. IMT bought MiBR brand: hltv.org/news/22404/paulo-velloso-confir.. 2. Noah Whinston (IMT CEO) confirms signing of a BR team. hltv.org/news/23154/immortals-noah-whins.. 3. coldzera in-game spray is IMT. 4. Stew wore an IMT shirt @ ESL Belo Horizonte 5. All SK players have IMT stickers on guns. 6. SK contracts expire in the nearest few weeks (if not already expired) 7. The rumours about "SK>IMT" transfer have been on since January cybersport.com/post/sk-gaming-immortals-.. 8. coldzera himself confirmed that they will leave SK a month ago: vpesports.com/csgo/starseries-i-league-c.. (check last paragraph) Is this enough to convince you?
2018-06-21 17:16
i mean yeah but you can never be 100% sure
2018-06-21 17:17
#78
sergej | 
Other Tyload 
is more then expected ROFL
2018-06-21 17:31
Good thing this is a forum and nobody is going to hold us accountable if we're wrong. SK confirmed MiBR 100%
2018-06-21 17:33
#105
Xyp9x | 
United Kingdom UKChef 
SK will also sign the NTC roster most likely, they've been bootcamping in Germany for like half a year now. I'm guessing they're the players that received the current line-up's facilities.
2018-06-21 20:01
#65
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Brazil caoticos 
Coldzera already confirmed it's MIBR
2018-06-21 17:16
#66
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Ukraine niXoN|w1 
#64
2018-06-21 17:16
have u seen stew Instagram?
2018-06-21 19:38
typical brit :)
2018-06-21 17:09
yea ikr haha
2018-06-21 19:38
Unreal yes, it would be so bad it would have been.
2018-06-21 14:02
When coldzera finds someone to bait
2018-06-19 07:27
#3
karrigan | 
Hungary vyx 
Another thread performing fellatio on an IGL who isn't even the main caller in his own team. That should be enough to tell you how much of an 'upgrade' he would be. Where has SK been the last 6 months? How many semis and finals have FaZe played? They won 2 tournaments with a stand-in. The only issue with FaZe is the absence of olof, and that should be sorted at least in the player break.
2018-06-21 13:51
#13
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
just dont forget fallen was 2nd best player of 2016 being igl just dont forget fallen was 6st best player of 2017 being igl just dont forget karrigan has never been in top20 players of any year being igl just dont forget fallen won 2 majors being igl just dont forget karrigan never won a major being igl
2018-06-21 14:08
#21
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Does that mean he is betterbyhen karrigan now? No stfu stupid fuck
2018-06-21 14:09
#22
milk | 
United Kingdom sam_mooya 
karrigan is not better and has never been better than fallen
2018-06-21 14:11
#31
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Lol
2018-06-21 15:16
#32
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Fallen cant even play awp rn
2018-06-21 15:16
#33
milk | 
United Kingdom sam_mooya 
karrigan just has 3 of the best players in the world who carry him
2018-06-21 15:48
#39
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
What did fallen have lmao
2018-06-21 15:56
#51
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
fallen WAS himself one of the best players of the world he didnt get carryed by other, he helped carrying the team with his individual skill and igl skill thats the big difference between karrigan and fallen fallen can be a 2 times major winner igl, with 8 trophys in a year igl WHILE he is one of the best individual players of the world, like he did 2016 being 2nd best of the year just behind coldzera and like he was last year 6st best player of the year
2018-06-21 17:04
#41
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Karrigan much more stratigic then fallen
2018-06-21 15:57
#43
milk | 
United Kingdom sam_mooya 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/2023/Fall.. Fallen is a much better individual player than Karrigan. Even if I didn't show you stats, you should know. Fallen is much more strategical than Karrigan. This is a part of the reason why they're in a slump right now. Whereas Karrigan can send 3 of the best players in the world out to go and get kills. Similar to what Zeus says to S1mple. I like the FaZe players and especially cromen, but what I say is true. Nt Portugalinhio
2018-06-21 16:03
#48
shox | 
United States Covahh 
Karrigan more strategic than FalleN OMEGALUL. Sk was known for their tactics when they had their good run last year. Faze on the other hand is full of AIM only and 0 tactics LMAO.
2018-06-21 16:56
#58
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Yep last year last time last last last NOT ATM FUCKING RETARDS HONESTLY I DONT COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT THE PAST My goshh
2018-06-21 17:11
#73
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Brazil davidzor 
Mad? You cant punch the truth.
2018-06-21 17:23
#76
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Nah just want to make it clear to delusonal retards :)
2018-06-21 17:28
#81
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
u are the delusonal tard and cant see it its so funny hahahahahahah
2018-06-21 17:44
#89
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Why take fallen whose a washed up igl who is not good anymore, answear me that.
2018-06-21 18:09
#91
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
past: fallen >>>>>>> karrigan right now: fallen > karrigan portential future: fallen >>>>>> karrigan yes, right now, fallen is still better than karrigan, he may not be the godfallen he was 1,2 years ago, but he still is better than karrigan, just see last week tournament ESL belo horizonte: fallen +4 KD and 1.04 rating (loosing a lot of maps) karrigan -20 KD and 0.94 rating (winning a lot of maps)
2018-06-21 18:28
#104
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Comparing awper to igl in kd lmao newfag get out
2018-06-21 19:57
#109
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
fallen was igl in whole ESL belo horizonte torunament and fallen was igl in all those years he was one of the best players of the year while fallen can have high impact frags, can clutch, high KD , be an excelent awp, all that WHILE igl this is what karrigan does with awp: youtube.com/watch?v=eTvAvmI-W4c&feature=..
2018-06-21 21:02
#26
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Netherlands Imrivendill 
Don't forget Pronax has 3 majors as IGL, where is he now?
2018-06-21 14:20
+1
2018-06-21 16:59
#35
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Serbia NEXIXOX 
youtube.com/watch?v=YykwwiedJmg btw karrigan is TILTCHOKER :D
2018-06-21 15:51
#128
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Serbia NEXIXOX 
I KNOW FIRST ONE, JESUS hahahahahahahahahahah
2018-06-22 00:08
#84
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
youtu.be/eTvAvmI-W4c?t=11 LOOOL look at this please hahahahahahahhaha
2018-06-21 17:48
#129
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Serbia NEXIXOX 
He knows the map really well :DDDD if it wasn't funny it would be sad :/
2018-06-22 00:09
#44
karrigan | 
Hungary vyx 
As I've said, last 6 months. Karrigan was a top 10 player at the end of 1.6, you don't see me wanking over it like you do with Fallen. VP and NiP were the best teams at one point, so was SK, where are they now? It doesn't matter what they have done, teams aren't built on past glory. 2016 Fallen isn't here anymore, current Fallen is glad to make it out of a top tier event's group stage. Karrigan works, stop trying to kick an integral part of the lineup.
2018-06-21 16:35
#50
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
"Karrigan was a top 10 player at the end of 1.6" (man thats 7-8 years ago in a diferent game... fallen was better than karring a year ago in the same game and still is a better player) "It doesn't matter what they have done, teams aren't built on past glory" (you just contradicted yourself.. lol)
2018-06-21 17:01
#106
karrigan | 
Hungary vyx 
I didn't contradict myself sunshine. YOU are the snowflake shouting Fallen was top 2 TWO years ago. I pointed out the fact how the past DOESN'T matter. Yet here you are, wanking over Fallen's stats. He had a positive KD and 1. Something rating while karrigan's was 0.9 something and he still won the tournament. It's rather cute how your small brain can't get over the fact his favourites are bombing hard and just insults one of the current best IGLs. Tbh I don't have anything against Fallen, it's just infuriating when you start shittalking players who are performing and winning proper events. They are very different IGLs with very different systems. When they both work they are amazing, LG/SK played great CS when they were the elite. I can respect what he has done. You don't respect karrigan, and that's the difference between an adult and child in an argument.
2018-06-21 20:04
#112
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
adult grown up man, listen, i dont disrespect karrigan i just dont think he is a great igl, because igl is not only about strats karrigan cant frag, he cant have impact frags,he cant be entry, he cant be clutcher, his KD always sucks if he has good strats and cant frag he needs to become coach and not player just that
2018-06-21 21:00
#114
karrigan | 
Hungary vyx 
10 years on this site and you still know f* all about CS. Karrigan isn't a strategic IGL. He is a midrounder. He calls based on what information his players tell him and what sort of tendencies he can read from the way his opponents play. FaZe have solid defaults which they play off off. An IGL isn't just about stats either. The best loose style caller is karrigan. The best structured caller is gla1ve. Fallen could combine both, they won 2 majors and lots of events in the 2nd half of 2017. He isn't even a shadow of himself. If you think about the points you make, Fallen should become a coach.
2018-06-21 21:12
#116
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
i know igl is not only stats, i know karrigan is not trash he is just not as good as you think he is (and thats my opinion, you can have yours i dont want to change it, what you are talking is not a fact, its just your opinion) karrigan can have good mid round calls but he is too bad at fragging to the level that csgo skill had reached. thats why pronax dont play anymore zeus is not a good fragger too, but he can clutch and have some impact frags some times. crisJ can have a lot of impact frags and even be top frag at some matches or a good secondary awp gla1ve also have a lot fo impact frags and even top frag some matches nitro in liquid also can frag stewie when he was c9 igl also could frag fallen (before comunication in english problems) also could frag good igls in this level of csgo that we have today need to frag, thats my opinion if you agree or not i dont care :) btw, i played pro cs 1.6 here in brazil from 2007 to 2010 and i was igl of almost all the teams i played, and i could frag :)
2018-06-21 22:05
I think you just ignored everything he said when he talked about KD's, and types of IGL. Im by no means saying karrigan is a good fragger but by no means is he the worst and recently he is definitely making bigger kills influencing rounds rather than dying early and leaving his team constantly 4v5. People seem to underestimate what karrigan does in terms of calling, karrigan is probably one of the smartest IGL's in CSGO rn. He plays with the vetos to make his opponents uncomfortable and then him and RobbaN actually study their opponents so karrigan can make intelligent calls and save those rounds where he may have died early. Plus wasn't CS banned in brazil from 2007 - 2009?
2018-06-21 22:20
#123
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
yes i do he can be the best midround caller, i still think its not enough today i think faze deserved better, dont even know who, of course not fallen, coz i want fallen where he is but its not enough nowdays have a igl that is just good caller, he also needs to frag all this started when he said like fallen is shit nowdays and looking like karrigan was the one. karrigan even at his peak cant frag fallen at his peak could call and frag so just dont compare a simply good caller like karrigan to a complete player fallen and yes, i know fallen is very far from what he was before, but thats SK problem, has nothing to do to the fact that karrigan is still not good player. fallen being bad at the moment doesnt make karrigan good. no, they didnt ban cs here we still have a lot of tournaments dont u remeber Fire Gamers?? they played WCG 2009 in china... it even showed in brazilian television.
2018-06-21 22:43
I'm not trying to compare the two different players dw, Fallen is an awper and igl which he was the only one for a while and karrigan is solely an igl. Im not saying that fallen not being the best atm makes karrigan better i was just saying that karrigan is slowly improving but probably not at the pace faze need. I think that faze need to get a good igl who can also frag my suggestion would be +gla1ve, anybody who says +s1mple please leave. I swear they banned it oh well I cant say I watched WCG 2009 fair enough if they didnt then
2018-06-21 23:06
#126
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
i know u didnt say that(saying that fallen not being the best atm makes karrigan better) ur own, but its the most of the arguments to not change karrigan is trying to downgrade fallen rn (because fallen was the best example of igl that can frag) and i totaly agree they need some1 that can frag and igl , thats what i am trying to defend here hahahaha the time of igls that can only call is gone (ex6tenz, pronax, seangers....)
2018-06-21 23:16
Okay fair enough we have reached an agreement lmao, who do you think could be a suitable replacement for faze?
2018-06-21 23:28
#133
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Definatly not Fallen who cant even handle 3 superstars even close to what karrigan can with 4 lmao
2018-06-22 08:38
#80
sergej | 
Other Tyload 
he is like zeus, good strats, good igl. Worst things: aim
2018-06-21 17:37
#132
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Ukraine Vladik1337 
Karrigan > Zeus all day
2018-06-22 08:36
Also don't forget that it is 2018
2018-06-21 17:04
#55
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
yet... group stage 2018 fallen much better than heavy carryed karrigan
2018-06-21 17:07
oh yeah cause its so easy to make 3 egoistical star players work together and then have success so fast even with a stand-in
2018-06-21 17:08
#61
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
fer, cold, fnx were 3 egoistical star players and SK/LG worked very well with them
2018-06-21 17:13
well why isnt sk working rn bruh
2018-06-21 17:14
#70
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
this is not the point. you are talking that karrigan is good while he is not if you wan discusse why SK is failing this year create a new topic btw , they are failing bcause they choose to comunicate in english with one american player instead of bring one new braizilian player, now they are strugling and loosing confidence every time it doesnt work
2018-06-21 17:19
bruh they were already falling when they were full brazilian rn karrigan is better than fallen, even as a fragger rn
2018-06-21 17:19
#75
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
ESL BELO HORIZNTE (last event they both played a week ago) fallen +4 KD and 1.04 rating (loosing a lot of maps) karrigan -20 KD and 0.94 rating (winning a lot of maps) how that fuck is karrigan in the winner team worst than fallen in the looser team ??? (you know when you loose your KD and rating are even worst) karrigan is terrible!!!! always was !!! fallen is not at his peek, of course, but at his peek he was the second best player of the world individually so... dont even compare a shit pllayer like karrigan to fallen, please
2018-06-21 17:24
ok, maybe i take that back but anyways, karrigan isn't that terrible, he can frag sometimes, but for sure as an igl rn karrigan is better
2018-06-21 17:55
#131
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Serbia NEXIXOX 
You won too many times today :D:D:D
2018-06-22 00:17
just don't forget fallen didn't win anything in 2018 just don't forget coldzera is lost now that he can't bait taco just don't forget mibr won't win anything
2018-06-21 21:13
#18
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Netherlands Wdym_wdym 
It hasn't been the only problem... There are some more problems in faze in my regard but for the rest you're completely right. People don't appreciate Karrigan enough for what he's done for faze.
2018-06-21 14:04
olof lul don't treat olof like a god, he's just support. there are many players better. if he was the best player in the world 3 years ago it doesn't mean he's the same now.
2018-06-21 16:00
hopefully never :D
2018-06-21 13:52
#20
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Brazil leo1mibr 
name checked
2018-06-21 14:06
LOL
2018-06-21 13:54
#9
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Bulgaria (1)western 
LoL
2018-06-21 13:55
#11
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
faze: -karrigan +fallen -niko +cold -rain +fer - guardian +stewie6k - olof +boltz gg
2018-06-21 13:57
#12
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Nepal TWiNTiMEeeeJW 
yes if you want to be tier2
2018-06-21 13:58
#19
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Netherlands Wdym_wdym 
*3
2018-06-21 14:04
who is tier2 rn then?
2018-06-21 14:17
#27
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Netherlands Wdym_wdym 
I'd say Navi, mouse and liquid... maybe even SS... There is a clear tier 1 which is basically Astralis... But faze is also in tier 1 because they are the only 2 teams to be able to beat every other team concistently.
2018-06-21 14:38
so tier3 fnatic sk cloud9?
2018-06-21 14:39
#29
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Netherlands Wdym_wdym 
I'd say right now yeah, including NIP. They're all in a roster hell rn and need to find their form in the next couple of weeks before the major... I'd even put G2 in there. but i feel like g2 hasn't really got the abillity to grow like the other teams do. SK has 2 of the best players in the world in it. Fnatic have an experienced line-up and IGL... Cloud9 with a good fitting IGL could skyrocket them back into the front seat. But right now, they're all not good enough to compete for the top 3 spots in the rankings.
2018-06-21 14:43
#36
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Serbia NEXIXOX 
+1
2018-06-21 15:53
0/8
2018-06-21 15:57
#83
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Netherlands Wdym_wdym 
Huh?
2018-06-21 17:47
i can't agree about g2. i'd have a 4th tier for nip, g2, north and maybe optic. tier5 renegades gambit vp nrg ss
2018-06-21 18:08
SK/Immortals won't sell him, no FalleN - no that team.
2018-06-21 14:02
#17
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Brazil kukuxumu 
when niko joins mibr then MiBR -FalleN +Niko FaZe -Niko -Karrigan +FalleN +s1mple
2018-06-21 14:03
how are u so sure niko will join lol
2018-06-21 17:05
#95
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Brazil kukuxumu 
why would he go to MiBR event in São paulo?
2018-06-21 18:42
um to see the team? you can never be sure bruh, he *might join* but its never 100% sure
2018-06-21 18:43
#99
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Brazil kukuxumu 
Ok, i'm not 100% sure
2018-06-21 18:55
#23
ScreaM | 
Belgium L1NK3DD 
2018-06-21 14:12
Yes take another poorly fragging IGL. But this time take someone who doesnt even IGL on every map for his team rn.
2018-06-21 14:15
#30
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Brazil llskll 
Why ? FaZe looks so strong.
2018-06-21 14:48
#37
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Serbia NEXIXOX 
brazilia..
2018-06-21 15:53
Fallen sucks atm, no point getting him, there are so many better individual and better igl atm
2018-06-21 15:55
#60
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Czech Republic ModusOperandi 
-guardian +fallen -niko +vladik
2018-06-21 17:13
vladik will change players after every lose lol
2018-06-21 18:42
#69
rain | 
Romania exelasd 
why? better FaZe cold
2018-06-21 17:18
#72
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Austria slash_OG 
fallen and his boys join Team Envy
2018-06-21 17:20
#90
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Netherlands Daan312 
never
2018-06-21 18:11
-999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 fallen is shit
2018-06-21 18:30
#93
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Denmark Xipingu 
No. /close
2018-06-21 18:32
-cromen +s1mple -rain +coldzera
2018-06-21 19:44
#107
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Switzerland Schwandi 
IMAO, why would you pick a washed up AWPer up?
2018-06-21 20:05
if he join, guardian should leave.
2018-06-21 20:08
0/8 rofl... Literally 0/8
2018-06-21 21:10
Would be sick if - karrigan, they would have a sick team. They dont need coldzera to bait out all their skill. Only fallen plz
2018-06-21 22:09
#119
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
not fallen ffs
2018-06-21 22:09
#120
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Germany Jpanthr 
Never I would be so upset if we brought in Brazil scum.
2018-06-21 22:10
#122
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina ERMIN91 
Nah...
2018-06-21 22:21
#124
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Argentina [Darkaren] 
Never most likely. Also, there's nothing FalleN can do that the rest of FaZe can't. GuardiaN AWP > FalleN AWP Karrigan IGL > FalleN IGL FalleN was important because he was a great awper and a good leader, now he's an average awper and not even his team leader. There's no value on getting Fallen in any team other than SK atm, not even the 2nd tier of Brazil.
2018-06-21 22:47
today bro. check faze owner twitter RIGHT NOW HAHAHHAHAHAHAH LOL
2018-06-22 00:10
#137
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United Kingdom LooseHS 
NEVER
2018-06-22 12:14
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