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Cloud9 50iq
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
Bringing GOLDEN instead of bringing back FNS. 50iq move. Keeping skadoodle instead of getting JDM, or trying to get cerq. 50iq move From the greatest win in esports history for North America to having GOLDEN lead. I am crying
2018-07-12 02:25
#1
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France headshotk1ng 
Golden is great IGL, he helped fnatic win 2 tournaments in a row. But STYKO??? They can not do with 3 almost 4 bad fraggers. Skadoodle, STYKO, Golden can't frag. Only autimatic and barely RUSH.
2018-07-12 02:26
#4
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Finland Vkims 
Everyone were saying G2 have only two players who can frag but then smithzz destroyed s1mple
2018-07-12 02:28
#5
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France headshotk1ng 
But i never said something like that, i always knew that SmithZz is a great rifler and Ex6TenZ is also a great leader. But seriously, just imagine. Cloud9 was not that good with tarik and Stewie2k and now they have to play with STYKO and Golden. Okay, Golden can IGL great but they have 3 guys who cant frag.
2018-07-12 02:30
#8
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Finland Vkims 
They might surprise everyone
2018-07-12 02:31
#10
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France headshotk1ng 
True but i dont think so :D
2018-07-12 02:32
Not really , we're dissapointed enough.. there's no more room for "bad" surprises. (except 0-16 ofc)
2018-07-12 21:58
#90
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Russia Sur10n 
Well,i'm dreaming about 0-87 record from at least tier 3 team. P.S.The most fucked up thing,what NiP may do it as well as they did 87-0 in 2012-13.....
2018-07-13 19:38
Yeah , would be nice. Sadly i highly doubt that a team ( besides the german trash can k0pfsache) is able to lose 87 maps in a row.
2018-07-13 22:08
#31
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North America KingCole14 
“Not that good with Tarik and stew” They won a major against EU superteam
2018-07-12 17:03
#46
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United States ItsImpact 
It was a fluke tbh
2018-07-12 18:25
#48
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North America KingCole14 
I’m really sick of hearing that. Ska was at his peak form. Tarik and rush are very skilled players who were rather dominant in Optic. Tim was arguably the best NA. And stew was ok enough
2018-07-12 20:07
#55
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United States ItsImpact 
Oh no I’m not saying they don’t deserve it. They definitely deserved it they all played great but my point was the lineup was bad except for that one tournament
2018-07-12 21:40
#64
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United States Brandmammoth 
they were top 4 in the 3 tournaments leading to the major
2018-07-12 21:55
#77
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North America KingCole14 
And almost beat faze again right after the major
2018-07-12 23:43
#75
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North America KingCole14 
I just explained that the line up was good.. except for ska. He just peaked. And then once he returned to normal they weren’t as good obv. If they woulda replaced him with someone they woulda continued to make semis and finals
2018-07-12 23:41
Dude in my dictionary the word fluke justifies that major win... Look at where C9 at now...
2018-07-13 22:14
#103
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North America KingCole14 
Entirely different roster and ska is dog ass again. For like 3 whole months they were competitive and make semis and finals consistently
2018-07-13 23:51
#108
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France headshotk1ng 
Tell me when did they play that well before and ill say ok Ska was a bot and always has been but suddenly he became the best player in major Also RUSH and Stew stepped up, they were bad before the major we all know that it was a fluke just accept it Yeah they did well at major but still, never did that well before or after.
2018-07-14 07:08
#106
MAJ3R | 
United States Fanzera 
lol smithzz is trash, he may have those one nutty games but the other 30 is pure shit
2018-07-14 06:11
SmithZz was always a great riffler,shox ruined him by forcing him to play with awp.
2018-07-12 02:35
#57
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United States Uberpanda 
Smithzz had that 1 good game againsts Navi. Hes been doing pretty poorly ever since... hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7170/Smit..
2018-07-12 21:45
#114
Thorin | 
Netherlands Rafv 
U fan of Taz or Kinguin?
2018-07-14 07:37
#115
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Finland Vkims 
Both
2018-07-14 08:09
Who knows, without tarik maybe it leaves a hole open for Skadoodle to become a star player again on the team. Prior he was more of a support AWPer because that's what was needed in the team. Now they have STYKO that can support and Golden to support/IGL.
2018-07-12 02:30
#9
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France headshotk1ng 
Actually could be, Skadoodle is great rifler but he whiffs with AWP.
2018-07-12 02:32
everyone whiffs with the awp. i think when you're a more supportive player and you awp you tend to "fall asleep at the wheel" per say .. If he's more confident & engaging, i.e. like he was playing at the Major final, he's very effective. A bit of confidence and balls goes a long way, these guys are human after all. There can only be so many "star" players on one team...and when you have autimatic,RUSH,tarik it's kinda hard to play into that role ya know. Besides FaZe, but they're just all so incredibly skilled individually that it doesnt really matter.
2018-07-12 02:43
#16
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France headshotk1ng 
I prefer an AWPer like FalleN, he knows where to be aggressive, where to stay, repositions himself very well, plays supportive when needed. kennyS has the skill with the AWP and is the best, but imo FalleN has the best movement with the AWP. Skadoodle should also learn where to be aggressive and to reposition himself very well. I've watched him playing alot, he usually likes to peek from the spot he killed an enemy. He should change this, just like FalleN does. Hide after your kill and kill them from a completely different posittion.
2018-07-12 02:46
#42
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
Other than the major, ska was a shell of his former self for a long time. And since the major it’s been the same.
2018-07-12 18:20
#18
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Sweden Faix 
I 100 percent understand the frustration with ska and Golden, but i have to say when he is at his A-game styko is one of the absolute best support players in the world but i know he has not looked too great the last few months but i Think he deserves to join a better team then C9 imo
2018-07-12 02:54
#19
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France headshotk1ng 
yeah but he cannot frag that well while supporting ;c
2018-07-12 02:50
#23
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Sweden Faix 
Yeah the last few months hes fragging was kinda shit
2018-07-12 02:55
#24
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France headshotk1ng 
yeah thats what im talkin about :D
2018-07-12 02:56
#39
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Israel TheLoveGuy 
RUSH can frag he played good last time
2018-07-12 18:16
>golden >great
2018-07-13 03:35
#2
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United States burzeus 
fns is good but he didnt fit their playstyle dont get them wrong
2018-07-12 02:26
#3
Twistzz | 
Canada KrabbyS 
Yes this was all part of fns's plan. He wants revenge for kicking him
2018-07-12 02:26
golden deserves a better team
2018-07-12 02:31
This
2018-07-12 03:03
#52
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
GOLDEN doesn’t “deserve” anything lmao. The most reddit thing I’ve heard
2018-07-12 21:28
They really need to remove Skadoodle,he is so inconsistent af. Add someone like Nifty..
2018-07-12 02:37
#37
buster | 
United States xollin 
hate to break it to you but Nifty is just as inconsistent if not more
2018-07-12 18:11
only after major
2018-07-14 07:24
Na problem is 0 talented young challengers. EU have zywoo, cerq, frozen, stavn, sergej, xellow etc 10+ young talents. In NA was only twistz and he find his home. C9 havent options , not counting to invite EU player. I think now they in search of good offers from tier 3 teams like nexus, aaa, extatus and until they find them, they will use free agents
2018-07-12 02:39
#20
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Europe Vallon 
+1
2018-07-12 02:51
NA have tons of young talent but no one gives them a chance. All stuck in MDL league. NA's biggest problem is never trying anybody new. We literally recycle garbage washed up players
2018-07-12 20:55
#50
NAF | 
Canada NAF_FLY 
+1
2018-07-12 20:57
+1
2018-07-12 21:55
+1
2018-07-14 07:25
What? motm is out there. TenZ is out there. Infinite is out there. Zellsis is out there. These are fantastic players by NA standards (btw, you can laugh, but Ethan was good only by NA standards too until he broke out). There are NA talents out there. NA rather pick up EU talents than nurture its own scene. Thats why NA pro league is 90 percent European teams
2018-07-13 19:32
i feel sorry for autimatic, poor guy. Stewie should have swalloved his ego and go back to fix both MIBR and Cloud teams but now they are just making it worse. Cloud became joke team with 3 bots and MIBR with Tarik will play same shit like now..
2018-07-12 02:43
#35
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
He’s in some of the best form of his career and he’s stuck in this shit situation. Hope he gets himself out of it
2018-07-12 18:10
#17
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Sweden d3lusional 
Golden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FNS Dude? 50IQ? More like 500IQ
2018-07-12 02:46
#28
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
Your name sums up this comment
2018-07-12 16:54
#29
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Sweden d3lusional 
Ehm. FNS: bad player and not a good enough IGL. Golden: Decent fragger, got some good games lately and is a solid IGL.
2018-07-12 16:56
#30
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
Decent fragger? GOLDEN is anything but a fragger... not saying FNS is a much better fragger but he is better & he’s a better leader.
2018-07-12 16:59
You are not going to convince idiots that winning more tournaments is not the only metric to being a better player or ingame leader. Golden is neither a better ingame leader nor a better fragger. Golden won more tournaments because he had three god damn hltv top 20 players on his team. Meanwhile, FNS's teammates from CLG probably arent even top 20 NA now except tarik. Not to mention, FNS literally got one month before he got kicked. If your team will not listen to you, you can be the best IGL in the world and look stupid.
2018-07-13 19:34
#119
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
golden fans are literally reddit. golden had over 5 months on fnatic before good results even came and that was with KRIMZ playing like the second best player in the world. (best hes played since 2014) along with flusha playing the best cs hes played since 2014 as well
2018-07-14 19:17
#21
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United States Xequit10 
Poor auti. Auti should go to liquid. -nitro +auti
2018-07-12 02:54
#66
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United States Brandmammoth 
yes this ^ nitro is useless. Rush should go with him and replace taco.
2018-07-12 21:57
fns is shit
2018-07-12 02:54
2018-07-13 19:36
My opinion doesnt change fns level of playing cs
2018-07-13 20:01
#26
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Brazil mibr_DBM18 
"From the greatest win in esports history for North America to having GOLDEN lead. I am crying" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2018-07-12 03:14
#27
Xyp9x | 
Denmark -ASAP- 
+1 This post sums up C9's idiotic reasoning.
2018-07-12 03:21
fl0m would be a best decision for them
2018-07-12 17:04
#34
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
0/8
2018-07-12 18:09
as if jdm was any good
2018-07-12 17:05
350k for fns
2018-07-12 18:11
#38
buster | 
United States xollin 
I'm ok with Golden being on the team but not at the same time as STYKO. It literally leaves them with 1 consistent fragger They really needed a hybrid like mixwell to fill that fifth spot, not a pure support
2018-07-12 18:15
#54
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United States Stix_97 
Cromen can be a nice addition. There won't be any language problems as well since he played on international roster before.
2018-07-12 21:34
#40
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Switzerland S!TH 
Golden > FNS by miles. -STYKO + Golden -Skadoodle +CeRq -tarik +Ethan -dephh +FugLy +daps as coach > C9 : ( autimatic, CeRq, Golden, Ethan, RUSH ) +valens > CompLexity / NRG : ( FugLy, ShahZaM, stanislaw, ANDROID, Brehze ) +daps - C9 becomes TOP5 to TOP3 material, and the leftovers stay at a TOP15 to TOP10 rankings.
2018-07-12 18:17
#53
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
By miles??????? Lay off the crack man
2018-07-12 21:29
#85
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Switzerland S!TH 
It's not an opinion but a fact, look at stats & achievements, Golden is way over FNS ins every single stats and he actually won something in his career other than being a victim of kNg & being the fastest kick in NA history. ( for good reasons )
2018-07-13 18:21
Yes lets just ignore that Golden had three top 20 hltv players on his team and FNS spent most of his career playing with bots except for jdm and got kicked (for stupid reasons btw) one month after he signed. NA CS is shit
2018-07-13 19:38
#104
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Switzerland S!TH 
Because he was never good enough to be given a shot with TOP players, and jdm isn't one, the only one he had was tarik and it ended up giving him a shot in nostalgia, then he got kicked two month later. Im sorry but FNS is overrated, I don't think NA CS is shit tho don't be too harsh on yourselves boys.
2018-07-14 05:38
Very nice revisionist history. Because NOW tarik is performing well, tarik was obviously performing well when FNS had him and because jdm was playing bad at the end of Liquid, he wasn't the super star of CLG. hltv.org/stats/players/8523/tarik?startD.. hltv.org/stats/players/8523/tarik?startD.. FNS is overrated but everyone on HLTV is calling him shit because he hasn't won events with tier 9 NA players (which are tier 18 world). Its stupid. But Golden is a better ingame leader because he won events with way better players. Theres no logic here
2018-07-14 17:35
+golden is just a rumor, they wil get nahte most probably. golden is garbage
2018-07-12 18:18
#45
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Sweden oAidqn 
nahte will replace styko and golden igl i think
2018-07-12 18:22
#43
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
being a Liquid fan is fun
2018-07-12 18:20
#58
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United States Koosh34 
I honestly am loving watching this C9 team slowly die. Especially after what they did to FNS.
2018-07-12 21:48
#62
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United States hyp3r4ctiv3 
nooo it hurts
2018-07-12 21:54
#78
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
especially all their dumbfuck fans who thought the major wasnt a fluke
2018-07-13 03:33
#44
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Russia sNQ- 
it's a curse of major. look @ gambit, they are bad too
2018-07-12 18:21
Golden being in C9 will be a good thing, because people will finally realize that he's not so good how people think about him I don't like hating anyone, but seeing wherever "Golden is great IGL" or smth like that is really annoying
2018-07-12 18:26
YES. He will fail and he will fail hard. And I'm going to be here bragging about it
2018-07-13 19:39
#121
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
+1
2018-07-14 19:28
#51
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United States gr1zzly_cs 
You think fns is a good decision. This is obviously bait
2018-07-12 21:04
Anyone who makes "fix" threads should be ignored
2018-07-13 19:41
#56
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Asia ZirkonX 
Golden isn't bad lol when fnatic was fucking up he actually fixed them, now they are fucking up again. Golden can do something in team, cant believe this c9 won early 2018 major so much has changed. with tarik leaving probably its gonna be the weakest NA team.
2018-07-12 21:42
#59
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United States Koosh34 
C9 will be a garbage team either way and are most likely going to have to drop their CS squad. Should have just given FNS time or not signed him in the first place. That was mistake #1. Mistake #2 was not cutting ska after the major. Could have brought in JDM who is much better in a system.
2018-07-12 21:51
#65
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
Exactly what I’ve been saying. Bringing JDM along with FNS in the first place would have been great. It’s a fucking joke that they didn’t give him more time.
2018-07-12 21:56
again ever saying stupid shit... golden might be mad, but FNS is much worse.
2018-07-12 21:52
#73
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
Golden isn’t mad... he’s happy he can steal more big paychecks
2018-07-12 23:20
No logic in this post
2018-07-13 19:42
#61
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United States hyp3r4ctiv3 
bro anyone is better than FNS
2018-07-12 21:54
#68
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United States Brandmammoth 
They are just trying to fill tournaments until the player break when they can acquire a good roster again... chances are they will pick up the nrg core.
2018-07-12 21:58
they are just stand-ins for now so they will probably be replaced later also they cant kick ska because he has the legend spot
2018-07-12 22:00
How many tournaments fns won in his whole career?Right - 0.How many tournaments golden won within quater-year in fnatic?Right - 2 in a row.Coincidence?I dont think soo.Golden is a one-step ahead fns as igl and he brought fnatic to victory when they were struggling.Give him a chance man. And ye,you have to keep at least 3 of players who did it to the major in your team before it or you will be disqualified,whoever you are - winner or just 1/8 scrub.So you cant replace mr "I want to retire pls" until major ends.
2018-07-12 22:11
How many top 20 hltv players FNS had? 0 How many top 20 hltv players Golden had? 4 How many months FNS had with a top team? 1 How many months Golden had with a top team? 6+ /closed
2018-07-13 19:44
fns kinda have 1 as ska
2018-07-14 06:14
I mean on CLG
2018-07-14 17:29
#71
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Czech Republic fake_prodka 
NA Brain LUL
2018-07-12 22:47
jdm64 is shite
2018-07-12 22:48
True
2018-07-12 23:20
#76
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United States FlagMaster 
Autimatic Rush Ska (replace with JDM after Major) N0thing (plz bring him back) Chiken
2018-07-12 23:43
LOL anyone that would have fns over Golden is retard, fns never win anything in his whole career of cs. Golden has accomplished 100 times more than fns in less than half the time.
2018-07-13 03:41
now they need to preserve at least 3 to keep the legend spot at the major
2018-07-13 03:43
#82
RpK | 
United Kingdom VeXpk 
Cloud 9 are a dead team. Skadoodle always talking about retirement, Automatic prefers to spend his time playing Fortnite than CS. Rush was a support player but with STYKO coming in Rush is gonna have to frag more than before. Golden is relatively unproven, winning two tournaments off the back off Krimz before being kicked. Tarik was the last spark of Cloud 9. Losing Stew and Tarik has killed them, they need to disband, this is just sad.
2018-07-13 03:48
C9 will play major with autimatic rush ska golden and styko... And after major rush autimatic will left the team probably they'll go with naf who will left liquid cause of coldzera and we have naf autimatic rush and i would take twistzz and elige.
2018-07-13 03:51
#84
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
i hope rush and autimatic end up going to mibr and just have fallen lead them. that could go well imo
2018-07-13 18:10
#86
swag | 
Philippines SwagZero 
Lol??? Stupid
2018-07-13 19:30
#95
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United States ARKTYC 
You better bring tarik and stew back to C9 and bring fallen too instead of them going to mibr
2018-07-13 19:41
#93
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United States ARKTYC 
They want to test out golden idiot, that's why they chose him over FNS. NRG won't give Cerq and Ska is 10x better than JDM If you don't know shit about what you're talking keep your shitty mouth closed
2018-07-13 19:40
You made a cry is free thread. Your opinion is invalid.
2018-07-13 19:46
#101
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Brazil AnthonySilva 
FNS hasn't done jack shit and he has not proven his worth at all, the kid is being paid for sitting on the bench. Meanwhile, GOLDEN led fnatic to their 3RD IEM Katowice win. I don't know how you can hate on him, ya'll are bums.
2018-07-13 22:11
#120
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
with KRIMZ playing the best hes played since 2014, and with flusha playing the best hes played since 2014. GOLDEN is shit
2018-07-14 19:12
#122
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Brazil AnthonySilva 
And now they're shit again. You have to be an absolute idiot to not realize that the only 2 championships fnatic won in a LONG time were with Golden, after he was kicked they became shit again.
2018-07-15 00:36
#105
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Brazil l0ner 
RUSH autimatic Skadoodle / jdm64 (both bad so whatever) FNS- / GOLDEN ?
2018-07-14 06:06
#109
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Europe CoolGuy22 
-Golden -STYKO -RUSH +DaZeD +swag +mOE +AZK they will be 1% better with this lineup
2018-07-14 07:19
#118
AZK | 
United States 1ever 
+1
2018-07-14 19:05
Clown9 50 IQ, but what you suggest is even less, probably 2-3 IQ or so.
2018-07-14 07:25
-ska +wardell +any 2 half decent riflers ez top 10
2018-07-14 07:35
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