Thread has been deleted
Last comment
Why Karrigan isn't a good IGL
battery | 
Canada Panga2Majors_BatteriesGODTOP1 
Title: and is worse than people like Zeus and Pronax. Okay lets put up an example with Zeus. FaZe's best was 2 events in a row Na'Vi w/ Zeus' best is 3 events in a row S1mple>Guardian Niko>Electronic Rain>Flamie Olof/Cromen>Edward and Karrigan>Zeus (just taking away their smartness and playstyle for this example) Karrigan as you can see has better players for everyone, except for best player in the world S1mple. If Karrigan was a really good IGL he would know what to do with GODlike players like Niko, Rain and Guardian. But you might be thinking "Hey WoULdn'T tI bE HaRdER FoR fAzE beCausE thEy AlL wanT KiLlS?" Well no. Pronax and even Flusha could do it when they IGL'd. Based on their impact and skill for their time* Olof 2014-16 > Olof now Krimz 14-16 = Rain now Flusha 14-16 =** Niko now JW 14-16 <*** Guardian now Pronax 14-16 < Karrigan now *Except for the IGLs as for them we just compare fragging ability ** Niko may be a little better but for their time I think they are and were equal *** JW isn't as consistent as Guardian, at least from what I remember So FaZe and Fnatic back then were pretty equal but one of those teams had 6 events in a row and 24 out of 26 top 4 finishes. Pronax knew how to handle such wonderful fraggers and made them actually learn smokes and shit unlike Karrigan who is like "Yeah you guys can just practice fragging, I can show you this smoke later. Like Karrigan isn't too good at handling his team except in the friendship way. /discuss also Panga top 1
2018-07-12 14:09
Zeus with Na'Vi has won only 1 real event. Karrigan with Faze has 5. Zeus not even close
2018-07-12 14:12
But Karrigan has 4 good players. Bot Zeus has 1.
2018-07-12 14:14
#3
 | 
Spain Rekto_Plasm 
Flamie and electronic arent good?
2018-07-12 14:15
#14
 | 
Brazil vladik96 
dont mind him he doesnt watch pro scene. elec is top5 atm
2018-07-12 14:29
#24
s1mple | 
Ukraine j[S] 
back to faze flare? xd
2018-07-12 15:17
#28
 | 
Macedonia AYEYAH 
its not him
2018-07-12 15:31
#30
 | 
Brazil vladik96 
im vladik69's brother.
2018-07-12 15:42
#4
 | 
Spain Rekto_Plasm 
Karrigan is a great IGL but sometimes he fucks in some calls.
2018-07-12 14:16
#9
 | 
Brazil vladik96 
cracks under pressure
2018-07-12 14:26
#5
 | 
Croatia mds818 
fnatic 24/26 top4 finishes faze and fnatic equal ????????????????????
2018-07-12 14:17
I meant the players sorry
2018-07-13 03:53
#36
 | 
Croatia mds818 
meh imo highly debateable but there're way too many elements to just call it out
2018-07-13 03:59
Not to mention Karrigan didn't achieve shit with Astralis for like a year & then Gla1ve came and saved the day
2018-07-12 14:19
#8
 | 
Brazil vladik96 
but that doesnt make him shit... gla1ve is just too good.
2018-07-12 14:25
#13
 | 
Spain Rekto_Plasm 
He achieved some premier stuff in TSM, ?, and Astralis aswell, plus he also qualified astralis to the major that they won.
2018-07-12 14:30
#7
 | 
Brazil vladik96 
Thing with Karrigan is he has strats that works because of the capabilites of his players. IE: classic Karrigan strat (im a fan btw, so i know what im talking about) split 2-2 = 2 players rush from 1 side, like catwalk on dust, 2 players rush long. karrigan stays mid to cut rotation. Works every single time because the top aimers go for the push and karrigan whose has the worst aim stays mid to get free kills. But when its 14-12 for FaZe and they need the win, he doesnt want to do it. He wants to rush B, or he wants to call late rounds OFC it won't work... Like in Major vs C9. really, 2 late push on B site? come on... They could've easily won it if some one else called the last rounds. His problem is with pressure, he can't perform. He's already not a good fragger, that with cracking under pressure makes people think he is bad, which he is not (considering IGL skill) I personally think if chrisJ were in karrigans place FaZe would absolute dominate the scene. chrisJ can topfrag as much as NiKo or rain or Guardian, he can awp when needed and very good in clutch situations, besides being a mature player that can holds his nerve in pressure situations, IMO TOP1 IGL is Gla1ve, then chrisJ, then Karrigan. Not considering FalleN 2017, 2016 he was the best but now washedup.
2018-07-12 14:29
gobb?
2018-07-12 14:29
#15
 | 
Brazil vladik96 
atm.
2018-07-12 14:37
guess it depends on the Players and the meta. but i dont know. we are way to bad, to have an opinion on this. like i said, i dk
2018-07-12 14:44
So humble. #respect
2018-07-12 15:22
ty dude
2018-07-12 15:38
WTF, a comment from you which does actually make sense and with which I can agree like 100%. Correct analysis.
2018-07-12 15:02
#20
 | 
Brazil vladik96 
im vladik's brother. not real vladik
2018-07-12 15:04
Karrygan GOAT MASTERMIND
2018-07-12 14:27
I mean pronax didn't do literally anything outside of fnatic because that was a "golden" team they had where everything was clicking, once he left fnatic his career was done
2018-07-12 14:28
My point was he can handle good players
2018-07-13 03:55
#17
 | 
Australia Dadecum 
u really on the retard juice arent you?
2018-07-12 14:48
why
2018-07-13 03:56
#18
s1mple | 
United Kingdom UKGOD 
Electronic better than niko because he dosent choke
2018-07-12 14:56
#21
 | 
Germany Delf1n 
Niko doesnt choke anymore.
2018-07-12 15:10
#25
s1mple | 
United Kingdom UKGOD 
Wait until next finals lol
2018-07-12 15:18
He does but less often
2018-07-13 03:55
#22
 | 
Europe Ronaldofanboy 
-karrigan +taz
2018-07-12 15:11
S1mple>Guardian Niko>Electronic --> This is so wrong Either do S1mple>>>>>>>>>>>>Guardian or S1mple > Niko and Electronic >>>> Guardian....
2018-07-12 15:13
AWPer: S1mple and Guardian Best Player imo besides the AWPers: Electronic and Niko
2018-07-13 03:56
Yeah but then at least show that Simple is far better than Guardian.
2018-07-13 16:38
So S1mple is over over over over over over over over over over over over Guardian. Happy now?
2018-07-13 18:27
ok
2018-07-13 04:00
Don't make fool of yourself by comparing zeus to karrigan, Zeus is a BOT and we should agree on that!
2018-07-13 16:40
#42
 | 
United Kingdom sam1cs 
+1 Karrigan was being made out as the 'greatest IGL' purely off the basis that FaZe were dominant.
2018-07-13 18:30
Login or register to add your comment to the discussion.