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Thorin & Zeus
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Denmark AimingForHeads 
Alright so, who's the pro? Correct, Zeus. You can't just become a pro by being smart. Is he a bot? Globals and faceit lvl 10s would struggle more. Thorin is a gold nova 2, Zeus is a major champion. Zeus a bot? Zeus is hot. I am not a navi fan but Thorin needs to shut these 2 gold nova stars up his ass and get away from games.
2018-07-12 19:30
#1
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Europe Flexi3 
+1
2018-07-12 19:32
+1
2018-07-15 10:11
Thorin is just low quality baiter from UK. Ignore him.
2018-07-12 19:33
#4
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Denmark AimingForHeads 
True but still, it's not the first time he goes on about players.
2018-07-12 19:34
#60
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Hungary raffai 
And not the second
2018-07-12 21:47
Probably more than 10 actually.
2018-07-12 22:26
Probably more than 100 actually
2018-07-15 10:00
#88
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Ukraine rthr|arturka 
i wonder how he is stil so popular and respected by the organizers. pure shit.
2018-07-12 22:50
#180
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United States Jammin800k 
Cause he has and retains more esports knowledge than pretty much everyone
2018-07-15 08:30
#186
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Russia xtkjdtr01 
nice joke
2018-07-15 08:37
#192
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United States Jammin800k 
Its undeniable. He knows the history of esports very well, he brings a lot of trivia type knowledge to the desk and is good at breaking down pros and cons of matchups. He may be an ass but these are the reasons why you keep seeing him. People like you have a problem differentiating personality and talent.
2018-07-15 08:54
#194
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Russia xtkjdtr01 
lulul there are enough good analysts/casters who know very much about cs but people keep saying UHH THORIN BEST ESPORT (who cares alout LoL history on csgo event?) HISTORIAN
2018-07-15 08:59
#196
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United States Jammin800k 
I never said he should be on the desk over any of these analysts you're referring to just that he has a lot of knowledge about all esports including cs:go and is also very good at conveying his points in speech.
2018-07-15 09:08
when quake live was active i was interested in that game. he made fuckin good interviews with the players :)
2018-07-15 10:21
#208
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes hes a great interviewer asks hard questions
2018-07-15 17:25
Ok but you realize he can prepare beforehand right? Maybe he goes over teams and stats before the desk segment.
2018-07-15 11:09
#207
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes I realize he can do research beforehand and he does, that doesnt change the fact that he is very knowledgable about esports and is able to recall a lot of events, scenarios, and matches that most people WOULD have to look up but he instead retains a lot of it.
2018-07-15 17:25
if his baits were low quality you and millions of others wouldnt fall for them so easily lmao
2018-07-15 08:49
#3
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Germany ropzGOD 
Id reck zeus
2018-07-12 19:33
#61
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United States ShawnM 
Gl poland =)
2018-07-12 21:47
#154
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Netherlands ASIS 
ez
2018-07-13 14:34
Thorin doesn't understand that being a Pro (especially IGL) requires more than aim Zeus is too stupid to understand Thorin exclusivly talks about his fragging, not his leader qualities and gets upset >both idiots
2018-07-12 19:36
#8
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Ukraine d1m1tr1 
+1
2018-07-12 19:39
Yes, Zeus does what he wanted.
2018-07-12 19:42
thorin just provokates pros to get more attention thats it
2018-07-12 19:43
Thorin didn't @ zeus though, Zeus came of his own accord. Its like you saying that Zeus is a bot on reddit, then Zeus gets on his reddit account and replies to you. Did you provoke him? Thorin is a baiter but he wasn't baiting Zeus. His baits normally consist of shoehorning in a Brazilian joke in the most cringe, inappropriate way possible
2018-07-12 22:00
#26
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Israel unsolid 
Zeus probably pays someone to use twitter for him, it might not even been the accurate opinion from zeus himself
2018-07-12 19:50
wrong
2018-07-12 19:57
Theres some guy named IamFish who translates his tweets to english. But the Fish guy said that he translated it from the mouth of Zeus to twitter.
2018-07-12 22:01
+1
2018-07-12 22:26
#83
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Denmark MeToxi 
Thorin even wrote that Zeus is a great igl. But only 4 matches with 30+ kills in regulation for 4 years is bad. Not inconsistently good but rather consistently bad/average. Thorin has a point wether you like it or not. Unlike other analysts he's not sugarcoding it.
2018-07-12 22:34
he did "great leadership... but what a bot".
2018-07-13 09:02
thorin didnt say just that hes a bot. he said he is a great igl but individually a bot, which is right compared to other players
2018-07-13 09:10
#6
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Belgium iFrezZz 
who is thorin?
2018-07-12 19:36
#185
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Belarus glitchie 
#2
2018-07-15 08:35
#7
LEo | 
African Union FELIXXD 
He is a bot compared to other playing at the same lvl
2018-07-12 19:38
Really? You probably never seen karrigan or MSL, these 2 are completely bots
2018-07-12 21:23
and? like it says someting. I mean there is no difference between 0.95 and 0.97, both negative
2018-07-12 21:29
#52
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African Union FELIXXD 
Yes and u just called MSL a bot which just proves my statement right
2018-07-12 21:30
Stupid? You literally said that Zeus is a bot compared to other playing at the same lvl, but you forgot to mention IGLs like Karrigan and MSL which aren't playing better
2018-07-12 21:33
#54
LEo | 
African Union FELIXXD 
I did not same everyone else playing on that lvl xd
2018-07-12 21:34
Karrigan is far better. That shouldn't even be part of the equation. Aside from a bo3 here or there where he shits the bed, he's a fairly decent fragger for Faze most times. Anyone who has watched Navi at all in the last year shouldn't need stats to see that Zeus is a really bad fragger.
2018-07-12 22:28
Thorin just says stupid shit to make kids spam LUL in the chat but hes clueless. Nobody wants to hear his irrelevant opinions anymore because they are always wrong anyway. Aint nobody booking Thorin anymore
2018-07-12 19:39
gay UK kids like him
2018-07-12 19:44
if you think UK kids think Thorin is funny you are lost. His humour is fucking terrible
2018-07-12 19:44
i've seen uk kids defend him on this site
2018-07-12 19:47
youtube.com/watch?v=VllS31unXyc bad humour? Show me someone who can go on a rant like this.. this is g0ld
2018-07-13 13:23
everyone says that thoorin is irrelevant yet there are at least 2 threads about him almost every day
2018-07-12 19:49
and still cant get booked for events OMEGALUL
2018-07-12 19:56
I guess you are suffering from amnesia?
2018-07-12 19:58
you wish he couldnt get booked for events lol
2018-07-12 22:03
Kind of a stupid comment considering he was just on the desk at Cologne 4Head
2018-07-12 22:29
one event OMEGALUL bet he doesn't go to the Major either
2018-07-13 08:25
wow 1 tier1 event in one year. good for thorin.
2018-07-13 09:05
you know that last year he almoat didnt attend 1 tournament and this year hes relevant again
2018-07-13 09:11
I completely agree with you. Thoorin only needs media and attention, trash commentator and useless in scenary
2018-07-12 19:40
Im not saying Zeus is bad but hes overrated af imo. His coach, Sasha and Edward are helping him a lot.
2018-07-12 19:43
yes taking that Gambit team to Major final and winning it, now look at them... very overrated
2018-07-12 19:45
use your brain, all 5 players played insane + they played final vs immortals, c9 won a major and after 1 week they were ,,shit team" again, that was same with Gambit (not about igl at all) btw. i just said most of the ppl dont know how much S1mple, coach and edward helps him with strats and mid round calls
2018-07-12 21:08
Its not just about the major. Gambit were a constantly improving team and a serious threat to the top teams any given day since Zeus joined that team. He nurtured those guys into a good team. As soon as he left - they literally took a 180 degree turn. Navi was absolute shit the entirety of 2017 and look at them now. Can't be a coincidence that him joining Gambit made them good, him leaving Gambit made them bad again and him joining Navi made them good again. Before S1mple joined Navi, they were such a good team that always managed to get into the important finals but instead of trying to resolve the issues they got rid of him and added more firepower. And we all know how it turned out for them in the end. So my friend, there cannot be so many coincidences altogether
2018-07-12 21:58
finally someone with high IQ. These idiots who think he is trash are literally clueless. He could go to any team and they would be like "well Coldzera had to go off, well Niko had to go off" and give him 0 credit ever.
2018-07-13 08:28
+1
2018-07-13 08:52
+1
2018-07-13 08:54
#137
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Spain Lucien 
I mean I'm not trying to discredit anybody but you don't have to be a genius to understand that.
2018-07-13 13:15
#118
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Yugoslavia mrmojo 
+9999
2018-07-13 09:26
Navi didnt become good the moment Zeus joined them again. It took 6 months and one more roster change for them to get decent placings at large events. And how do you know how much of it is because of Zeus and how much is because of Starix and Kane? Coaches dont get enough credit imo.
2018-07-13 14:21
Let's not exaggerate now. It took them 4 months to get back in shape (2 while seized was still there and 2 where they brought in electronic) that too with one roster change which obviously takes a little time to settle in with a new player coming on the team, trying to adjust. Even Astralis took couple of months to be the best after they got Magisk on the team. Navi has been very consistent since the beginning of this year, right from the Boston Major - they've already been consistent for straight six months now. All the events they've attended, saw them at least in the semis or the finals or win the tournament. To answer your other question. if you think Starix had more impact than Zeus as a coach, why is it that they started sucking dicks after he left? Starix was still there, that too with more firepower on the team so technically they should have been amazing right? THEY JUST REPLACED ZEUS WITH SIMPLE. What an upgrade that should have been!! But happened? They were ABSOLUTE SHIT for an entire year. You talk about coaches not getting enough credit? You can even give credit to their IGL which he clearly deserves, forget the coaches man.
2018-07-13 15:48
Well "decent placing at large events" is a vague term, most people think different about it. I looked at consistent top 4 placings (which i think are the minimum goals of a team with such a roster) and only at big events (excludes DH Open Winter for example) which started consistently at the boston major, then continued at star ladder in february, but anyway its not that important to argue about that. My post maybe sounded more critically about Zeus than it was intended. I DO give Zeus credit. Obviously starix alone couldnt do anything with NAVI when Zeus left, because there just was no proper IGL at all. But I do think that most good IGLs work that good, because they synergize very well with their coach. Like 50/50. You take Zeus away again, and NAVI will struggle, but if you take only Kane away, NAVI will struggle too for at least a while until a new good coach is found.
2018-07-13 22:34
#195
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Yugoslavia henjkeee 
They won ESL one New York straight after they kicked Zeus
2018-07-15 09:01
And then what happened? No relevant results for straight 12 months? ESL New York wasn't even a stacked tournament - Only 8 teams and that too with teams like G2, Fnatic, Astralis who were struggling at the time with form, liquid who just lost simple to Navi and replaced him with Pimp. Don't get me wrong, I like pimp but he is nowhere near the caliber of a player like S1mple. People often joke/complain about the c9 Major being a fluke. Well, ESL NY 2016 had only 8 teams out of which only VP were in good shape at that time.
2018-07-16 16:29
no sens bro.
2018-07-12 19:43
How doesn't it make any sense? or what do you mean
2018-07-12 20:35
having gold nova rank doesn't mean he doesn't understand the game. there's no correlation there.
2018-07-14 10:49
But when he's a gold nova, he obviously doesn't have the aim to say that "zeus is a bot". Except for if he called himself an even worse bot who can't play at all
2018-07-14 18:05
he doesn't have to say anything about himself. you don't need amazing aim to see if someone has poor aim. All you need is an understanding of the game (which he has). /* A chess commentator doesn't need to be a grand master to understand chess and make comments about a certain players performance. */
2018-07-14 18:31
I don't get you, are you just a thorin fan or what? Thorin is shit and is mostly just talking about players n shit when he knows nothing about their situation and so on.
2018-07-14 19:41
#183
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United States Jammin800k 
Please explain how he knows nothing about zues' situation? His career is literally to analyze and dissect esports. You dont have to be behind the scenes of Navi to realize that Zeus is mechanically poor in the context of elite level CS:GO.
2018-07-15 08:34
+1
2018-07-15 15:52
#184
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United States Jammin800k 
+1
2018-07-15 08:35
+1
2018-07-12 19:45
#19
Austria zaql 
Well Zeus is by far the worst pro mechanically speaking. Ofcourse he's still better than the average lvl 10 Faceit Pugger but in comparision to other T1-T2 players he just has really bad aim.
2018-07-12 19:46
zeus > edward
2018-07-12 19:48
#37
Austria zaql 
not mechanically
2018-07-12 20:42
well, it all comes down to opinion
2018-07-13 01:37
By far? Gob_b is abysmal mechanically.
2018-07-12 21:42
#63
Austria zaql 
could be true havent really watched much of gob b, but i wanted to write T1 only first and for me BIG isnt T1 but i guess youre right
2018-07-12 21:53
BIG is by far worse than navi. they had a good run but will play bad again in the future
2018-07-13 09:12
I never said otherwise.
2018-07-13 17:39
yeah but thats why zeus has to perform much better than gob b
2018-07-13 18:50
That's kind of an irrelevant argument. MSL and Karrigan aren't much better than Zeus. An IGL that has good mechanics is obviously a plus, but you don't need all 5 players positive to win games.
2018-07-13 18:55
aimwise (or however its spelled) not, but zeus' decisiontaking as a individual is actually bad af for a igl. he makes a lot of stupid decisions
2018-07-13 19:01
A lot of IGLs make bad decisions as individuals. There's been enough discussion about why when you read interviews from the pros who swap into the role.
2018-07-13 19:03
Zeus is overrated. His "calls and reads" are just overrated cause whatever he does there will be simple, electronic and flamie to win the aim-duels most of the time. Zeus has 0-impact on any of their tournament wins. And btw. his mechanics are even topped by some lvl5 faceit goofs
2018-07-12 19:46
tell that to Gambit OMEGALUL just low IQ people like you dont understand
2018-07-12 19:48
>they won because of "mastermind zeus" >they won because hobbit and adreN were stepping up big time. pick one
2018-07-12 19:49
so what about now... they have even more firepower and suck
2018-07-12 19:50
also if mou doesnt have the game of his carrier against astralis in the first map,they lose 2-0 in the semis
2018-07-12 19:51
yeah and a team is composed out of two players. the sum is greater than the addition of the parts or something.
2018-07-12 19:52
It seems strange to me that Navi fell into near obscurity as soon as Zeus left, and Gambit began to improve as he joined, and then the opposite happened when he left Gambit and joined Navi. Both Gambit and Navi suffered from not having a decent IGL. I don't even know why it's a debate, Zeus is like any other long-standing IGL. He's not a great fragger, but he leads the team properly, which a lot of people take for granted.
2018-07-12 21:46
+981567234612498098064 The planet needs more people like you (People who actually talk sense)
2018-07-12 22:07
I just think it's extremely unfair to think that an IGL has to be a great fragger to be instrumental in wins. Stats don't tell us everything, impact rating on HLTV can't account for the calls being made to the team. There's so much evidence that points to the success good teams have with the right leader ahead of them. Not every player has to be a star, because it's a team game, and you can't just share the frags. I will take a guy who dies for his team's win every single time over the guy who rushes in and tries to get a kill without any back up or trade potential.
2018-07-12 22:23
Couldn't have agreed more. And not just in-game, these leaders have a huge impact on the team and these players outside the game as well, overall. Which obviously we won't know and won't be able to see as outsiders. Leadership is also about building that good environment in the team, the positive vibes, synergy, motivation and a lot more. People just don't see all these things which to me are even more important than having a lineup of stars on your team. With the right leader, even a team with only decent players can do wonders and on the contrary a star studded lineup can become a failure without proper direction.
2018-07-12 22:59
go blow each other.... tldr overall. but zeus still sucks. Have a good day.
2018-07-13 08:00
You clearly have no valid points to argue with. LOL Continue being ignorant and dumb.
2018-07-13 08:50
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings lil guy.
2018-07-13 18:56
#119
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Yugoslavia mrmojo 
Stop embarassing yourself they still have Hobbit and AdreN and are losing to tier2-3 teams.
2018-07-13 09:27
C9 still had tarik and skadoodle and dropped off aswell. It was their peak performance back at the respective majors - after that, they returned to theri "normal" performance. As simple as that
2018-07-13 10:57
#188
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United States Jammin800k 
Right and that explains Navis clear upward trend after Zues joined back
2018-07-15 08:39
#103
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Denmark kehlet 
He just had major impact in the very recent event in Cologne. Stop posting. Please.
2018-07-13 08:05
"major impact" he had one game where he was playing decently, in the other games he had his bot ass be carried by simple and electronic. Stop posting. Please.
2018-07-13 08:18
you went waaay too far when you mentioned lvl 5 faceit goofs
2018-07-15 17:34
thorin needs to stay relevant so he starts trashtalking emotional pro's like zeus but with a pretty low backlash in comparison to f.e. s1mple. thorin is pretty smart he knows what he got and what he doesn't have. right now he's banking on his relative fame in the e-sports community. he was a nice desk person (was about to say analyst ROFL) but he knows the next asshat who says politically incorrect stuff and does impulsive shit like smacking a baguette will simply replace him. he doesn't know shit about the game, imo if he's really smart he should save what's left of his reputation and become event staff or smth, you know, a real job. he does know a lot about the scene and there surely are people who want to listen to his ranting, just journalism is such a clickbait job nowadays so he needs to trigger pro's into relevance.
2018-07-12 19:50
#39
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CIS C9_Nikoldzera 
fair point
2018-07-12 20:49
#173
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Germany Shadyy89 
he was a nice desk person (was about to say analyst ROFL) n1
2018-07-13 19:06
he is still right tho lmao
2018-07-12 19:52
But Zeus is like 100 times better than Thorin at CS:GO, aim and brain wise.
2018-07-12 20:36
guess seangares or spunj never criticize a pro for having a bad game then...
2018-07-12 20:50
Both are former pros, they know what it is like. And they can actually spot the mistakes cause both were IGLs I believe.
2018-07-12 20:52
Thorin is more like a storyteller on the analysis desk,former pros can analyse rounds,he is good at making context and storylines for players and teams,he also knows a lot about the esports and cs scene in general,going back to 1.6.And some banter ofc. Not everyone has o analyse rounds like "this strat was so good this round was very important etc"
2018-07-12 21:08
Still it's more his tweets that piss me off.
2018-07-12 21:10
i agree,he tweets retarded shit a lot of times,he is really trying to be edgy or something
2018-07-12 21:17
What about analysts that have never played the game at a pro level? Or coaches? If you study the game enough, or efficiently, you can be smarter than people who play the game every day on the biggest stages. Not saying thats what Thorin does, but the possibility for people who arent pros to be analytically smarter than pros is there
2018-07-12 22:06
But he doesn't have the experience with being in the game like the pros does, and of course there are some smarter people who aren't but Thorin is definately not one of them. He tries to be one, but he is not.
2018-07-12 22:25
Fair
2018-07-12 22:28
I think this statement is largely speculative and misleading. Learning the correct moves through experience is something that comes with practice, and isn't something that you can just analyze and talk about after the fact. If hindsight is 50/50, we're all smarter than the people making the calls because we, as spectators, can see the mistakes when they can't (or at least, we can see the incorrect moves being made because of things like the mini-map). The limited amount of information that is given to a leader is vastly inferior to that of a spectator, and I think it's unfair to say someone who is watching with all of the information can make better judgments than someone who is playing with half a deck.
2018-07-12 22:33
We can also learn the correct moves to make BEFORE the mistakes are made if we see enough times the moves that are made before the mistake occurs. It won't ALWAYS be the case but there will be situations where the leader makes a move, and spectators can foresee the mistake before it occurs. Like opting to push through the B dildo smoke on Overpass, you dont need to know there are four players on the site, because with even two players on the site, that probably won't end well.
2018-07-12 22:36
Being an IGL requires managing risk, and sometimes a leader will call a risky play, like the one you mentioned, purely for the purpose of catching another team off-guard. We, as spectators, might condemn such a call if it fails because we had the information, but were it to succeed the opposite is also true. It's fair to say that you can understand fundamental mistakes by watching as a spectator. I've seen numerous instances of pros making terrible decisions during retakes/post-plants that they should know not to do, with or without information to tell them otherwise. But with that said, what you're talking about is essentially hindsight. You can't always play it safe in a match, because sometimes that's what's hindering you from overtaking another team. You're not entirely wrong, obviously. There are certain kinds of calls that don't make a lot of sense, but we also don't know what the actual reasoning was behind that call. A leader does his best to understand what he's been given and turn that into a proper avenue for success. If a player communicates information incorrectly, it could lead to the scenario you're talking about. We can't presume to know all of those decisions without being there in the first place.
2018-07-12 22:41
Fair points EDIT: I probably shouldnt have said correct either because there are no wrong or right moves, just ones that work and ones that dont.
2018-07-12 23:13
Yeah, that's pretty true. I mean, I do think sometimes there are pretty clear right and wrong situations, but they're often very specific. Largely I agree with that though, because what might work in some cases may not work in others.
2018-07-13 00:55
#189
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United States Jammin800k 
+1 good read both of you
2018-07-15 08:42
So what? You're saying unless you're a pro then your opinion is completely irrelevant on anything regarding the game? If so that's idiotic.
2018-07-12 22:30
I think it's fair to say that opinions aren't irrelevant, but may certainly be misinformed. Opinions obviously aren't facts, but anyone with any real world experience in something is going to have a stronger foundation of understanding than someone without. It's fair to consider these kinds of things in the context to which they are given.
2018-07-12 22:35
Chill and I agree with #84. The opinions are most likely irrelevant, facts aren't. Thorins is mostly just opinions cause he's eh.. a special snowflake in category 0/8 bait. By Zeus being smarter and have a better aim, he's an IGL and he does all that so it's in game and game wise where he is smarter. Thorin maybe is smarter about different and other things.
2018-07-12 23:17
are you actually briandead?! this is the job of journalists and analyst. not only in csgo. what do you think happened after germany lost against south korea?!
2018-07-13 09:15
lol don't even get me started on commentators, i know they are mostly kind of like this but thorin is on another level. control your word usage. "briandead" yeah sure brian is dead.
2018-07-13 13:05
it makes no fcking difference if you are worse than sb, you are still allowed to critizice him... and who tf takes his tweetes serious..
2018-07-13 13:07
well you do since you're freaking out about it. "who even takes hltv serious", ask yourself that and then look at all us retards here including yourself.
2018-07-13 13:08
and? cry more about him
2018-07-13 13:10
lol cry more about this thread germanski. when you can't keep up a discussion and pull up the cry nt nt
2018-07-13 13:14
i made my point thats all I wanted. cant stand people crying cause of every thorin tweet
2018-07-13 13:15
you didn't make any point? commentators and casters/journalists for other real life sports and some esports are different from Thorin. Thorin fan confirmed? You go home, disgusting.
2018-07-13 13:16
they use different words but thats all, they mean the same.. and thorin was right with this tweet, zeus is a bot compared to other pros
2018-07-13 13:19
and you're a bot compared to any pro. and maybe his "aim" lacks a bit, but his brain doesn't when it comes to understanding the game. Which in some cases is better than aim. And maybe Thorin is more direct yes, but that's to get some attention on his ass.
2018-07-13 13:20
but thats what he also said. he said that he is a great igl
2018-07-13 13:22
#190
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United States Jammin800k 
No one is claiming that zues is a bad player, just that he is poor mechanically. Obviously he sacrifices his own skill to focus on strats and tactics instead of aim servers no one is denying that. Not sure why you cant accept that zues is an amazing leader but a poor mechanical player, it's the truth.
2018-07-15 08:48
It's Zeus not "Zues" and please, see if you can do it any better in game against proffesionals. He's not a pro, just cause of his brain/tactics. Not the first time I've said it and most likely not the last time. He focuses on tactics and strats etc over his aim yes, but he is not a "poor" or "bad" player.
2018-07-15 11:07
#206
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United States Jammin800k 
You're right hes not a poor or bad player that's exactly what I said. Theres many different types of players and what he lacks in raw skill he makes up in leadership and tactics. " see if you can do it any better in game against proffesionals" In the context of the pro scene he has worse mechanical skill than most players at his level so yes he is "poor" in that respect however he clearly makes up for that as seen by his 3 recent titles and his major win.
2018-07-15 17:23
#40
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Other VladimirLucas 
thorin's logic is that you don't need to be a pro to be able to judge the quality of a team in the same way you don't need to be a musician to tell what good music is
2018-07-12 20:50
He did that to kng and now is trying to bait Zeus To bad Zeus won't fall for his shit baits
2018-07-12 20:50
Zues is hot? Guy looks like a walking slavic miscarriage
2018-07-12 21:23
Not by his looks but his way of leading and playing lol
2018-07-12 23:30
All GB humans are so stupid
2018-07-12 21:35
how's your precious Kosovo doing fuckface?
2018-07-12 21:44
macedonian brother starter trashtalking((( so sad to see this
2018-07-12 22:25
#58
kennyS | 
Poland qube1 
Thorin is amazing in what he does, his job isnt landing headshots, but zeus' is. And yeah, zeus is very good IGL, but not even close to good individually player.
2018-07-12 21:46
#62
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Hungary raffai 
Thoorin was right, actually. He is a good leader, but he is a very bad fragger :(
2018-07-12 21:48
70% of IGLeaders are bad fraggers. Just deal with it and stop crying.
2018-07-12 21:58
#93
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Hungary raffai 
Yes, but he is the worst one in the tier 1 scene
2018-07-12 23:39
lmao karrygan much worse lmo.
2018-07-12 23:44
#98
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Hungary raffai 
I don't think so
2018-07-12 23:49
#211
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United States Jammin800k 
Not even close lol hltv.org/stats/players/compare/484/Zeus/.. Impact rating haha
2018-07-15 17:40
#73
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
+11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
2018-07-12 22:24
#94
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Brazil Lukainn 
Thoorin and trash is the same thing!
2018-07-12 23:40
#95
Petra | 
Turkey ao1 
+1841281961598491259148
2018-07-12 23:41
both are right zeus is shit and is getting hard carried by the two best players in the world right now and thorin is just a stupid attention whore
2018-07-12 23:41
#102
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Latvia InDzii 
Internet Explorer?
2018-07-13 08:04
Google Chrome? Firefox?
2018-07-13 13:14
#133
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Latvia InDzii 
Chrome
2018-07-13 13:14
thorin doesnt even play cs mind you. zeus is fucking terrible compared to every other player that plays at navi level. he would struggle on a tier 4 team individually wise.
2018-07-13 08:33
ive seen that? your point? he still doesnt play
2018-07-13 13:15
Well that proves he does play? He doesn't play proffesionally (obviously lol) but he plays CS:GO. Maybe not as much as some of us HLTV fucks but still, can't say he doesn't play when that should be proof enough of him playing.
2018-07-13 13:17
i bet in the last 2 years he has no more than 100 hours of play time, not including demo watching etc
2018-07-13 14:19
Well, Thorins steam is private so we can't see such rip.
2018-07-13 14:21
u only have to watch those streams where he was playing to know he definitely isn't playing much, if at all. he got that rank ON stream mind you, wasnt like he was grinding out nova for months.
2018-07-13 14:29
Thorin is right, Zeus is kind of, shame, such a shame. If he was a smart IGL, he would have realised and already retired.
2018-07-13 09:22
#120
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Germany ripseN 
why you hype zeus so much, are you fucking blind on both eyes?? zeus has a crosshair placement of a mm dmg and aims literally like someone who haven't played this game for months, maybe he is having some kind of leading qualities that a team like navi (or gambit in the past) needs but let's be honest, if s1mple and electronic would not drop 30+ bombs every match then they would fail like gambit does now because edward, flamie and zeus dragging this team down like an anchor
2018-07-13 09:32
Of course, but would you perform better as a rifler than he is doing as an IGL? I highly dilly doubt so. He's a pro for more than one reason, not just is IGL'ing.
2018-07-13 13:06
+1 for that look at ex6. On paper he should have better team than NaVi, still NaVi will drive over g2 with tractor.
2018-07-13 14:25
Well G2 Just got together pretty much. I believe in them though, not sure with bodyy but the rest is what I wanted on G2 to fix it. I think they can come to the top five again but first.. I want to see C9 get out of this slump and fix themselves :(. I just realized, FNS is a worse fragger than Zeus lol
2018-07-13 15:03
wait what?! better team?! navi >>> g2 smithzz is bad af, even worse than zeus
2018-07-13 18:58
#126
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Australia Ohnorepo 
While I'm usually annoyed by most of Thorin's "Banter" he isn't wrong. Until recently S1mple wasn't enough to carry them to title wins. We have entered a meta where even your IGL needs to be able to post solid numbers. Zues wasn't doing that. He was a damn bot. Thankfully, now Electronic is there to pick his slack.
2018-07-13 13:08
S1mple back pains ye.. But IGLs do not need to heavily frag all the time, they need to be there of course but not needed up carrying 24/7. I can't really think of anyone who was bad aim wise except for Seized & Zeus who also was an IGL hmm.
2018-07-13 13:10
#132
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Australia Ohnorepo 
Yeah exactly. But Zues wasn't even putting up alright numbers. He was pulling a Neo. Just out right giving kills to the enemy. You couldn't rely on him to even hold CT angles against a single T. Thankfully he's looked a little more solid. But taking Electronic off support has definitely allowed the team to pick up Zues' lack of firepower.
2018-07-13 13:14
Yeah I guess it could be the same case for some IGLs. They have their star players to perform for them instead.
2018-07-13 13:15
#138
f0rest | 
Europe facecs 
what you mean hes hot r u gay bitch ?
2018-07-13 13:16
I guess I can't complain if a Dictator is burning down my village and killing children in my country because I'm not in a place of Political power... Such a dip shit statement. He is a great IGL at times but individually when compared with his fellow pros, he just isn't as good. 0.97 rating at the end of that tournament btw.
2018-07-13 13:20
Well if you complained about living in a dictatorship you most likely would be executed...
2018-07-13 13:21
2018-07-13 13:23
I know. No need for such. Also hey, at least he's better than Hunden.
2018-07-13 13:28
#157
shox | 
Norway fen0m 
zeus would break thorins skinny ass
2018-07-13 15:43
Zeus acted like 20iq little kid tbh. Fall for such a bait. And btw Thorin was right in some sense, Zeus is Godlike IGL, but he is bad as a player lately. Zeus must just ignore this tweet and move on to his future titles. Instead of crying like a kid and turning ON "agression mode". I think despite the fact that Zeus is 30 years old and he travels a lot, he is still so childish.
2018-07-13 15:45
Zeus is Godlike IGL, but he is bad as a player lately. Zeus did not undestand that, made some bs response.
2018-07-13 17:43
Thorin sticks to proper analysis and facts, if you can't handle the truth, delete your twitter, lmao.
2018-07-13 15:47
+ thorin - zeus, thorin makes his job journalism, counter strike players should be go with it its a sport and to make it more popular. you have to be allowed to make your job. and when a grown man like zeus can not take critics like a men he is a pussy
2018-07-13 17:46
+1
2018-07-13 18:51
Thorin = Most popular UK baiter
2018-07-13 18:51
#166
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Sweden Maddafakka 
Thorin has made a career out of being a fucking cunt. Stop giving him the attention he craves.
2018-07-13 18:53
Thorin is fucking hilarious. eod
2018-07-13 18:54
You don't need to be a football player to say if some player plays bad. Zeus just got mad for being called a bot, but his argument that you can't rate pros if you're not a pro is bullshit.
2018-07-14 18:34
#182
twice | 
Korea Tzuyu 
odin is right
2018-07-15 08:34
Gold nova 2 is the new global / lvl 10 faceit
2018-07-15 08:38
Zeus always drops his rifle to s1mple and acts as a bait for his teammates to get kills. In addition he is the mastermind and godlike IGL of the team. Thorin doesn't understand at all how the team works. Zeus shouldn't ever get 30 bomb, he is trying to enable s1mple and electronic get the 30 bombs.
2018-07-15 08:58
+964728
2018-07-15 09:50
#204
pronax | 
Russia ShadTH 
lul zeus fans
2018-07-15 11:10
#209
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Hong Kong DIshsoap_OW 
Thorin who?I only know Zeus
2018-07-15 17:28
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