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jOELZ | 
World RealCommunismHasNotBeenTested 
How many times does capitalism have to fail before you realise that world wide communism is the only way we as a human race can survive? You sit here on HLTV and praise capitalism, yet you are one of the 99% who isn't benefiting from it. Ofcourse the world leaders and corporate leaders are going to say that capitalism is the greatest thing ever since they are making alot of money from the 99%ers. They are the 1% who benefits and they benefit alot. Things to discuss: 1. Do you personally think you are brainwashed into believing that capitalism is the "greatest"? 2. Do you think that you can change your political view? 3. And last but not least, why is communism the best system?
2018-07-18 21:41
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Sweden Ploap 
k den
2018-07-18 21:42
#2
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Brazil bandicoot 
no ty leech edit: also get a job
2018-07-18 21:44
I already have a job, would i need another because capitalism is failing?
2018-07-18 21:48
#195
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
1. Do you personally think you are brainwashed into believing that capitalism is the "greatest"? CONSUME 2. Do you think that you can change your political view? OBEY 3. And last but not least, why is communism the best system? TRUTH
2018-07-19 19:49
Expected from breitbart reader
2018-07-19 19:51
#206
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
Please tell me this mastermind. Why should I work my ass off to become a surgeon when I could just enjoy my life as a taxi driver or artist or smth and not care at all because I get paid the same anyway
2018-07-19 19:56
If you really wanted to be a surgeon you could. If you don't want to be a surgeon you shouldn't be one. Very simple. And just because there is communism doesn't mean you have to fight to get the job you want, there isn't unlimited surgeon jobs for example
2018-07-19 19:59
#212
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
1. There is already a shortage of surgeons in the world. Do you want even less of them? 2. >If you really wanted to be a surgeon you could. If you don't want to be a surgeon you shouldn't be one. So if 90% of the male population decides they want to be pro footballers you don't see anything wrong with that? 3. A surgeon might love his job, but he needs more money to be able to enjoy life because his work is tougher and he sacrificed more to do his job. When the surgeon needs to unwind it's harder for him to do it than some artist because the surgeon has to work 24 hours non-stop, study for years upon years and never stops learning. Whereas everyone can paint and if you fuck up while painting nobody will care.
2018-07-19 20:05
1. Who said it was going to be less surgeons? 2. Already answered this in my post. 3. Under a communism world he wouldn't have sacrificed more and he wouldn't need more money than everyone else. "surgeon has to work 24 hours non-stop" No that's pretty much illegal everywhere except maby third world countries
2018-07-19 20:07
#217
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
1. Is there people that want to be surgeon but think the salary is too high? no, more money is always good. You can give it to charity if you want to. Is there people that want to be surgeon but think the salary is too low? Probably thus if you lower the salary the amount of surgeons goes down, not up. 2. >And just because there is communism doesn't mean you have to fight to get the job you want, there isn't unlimited surgeon jobs for example I'm guessing it's this part but it doesn't really make sense. You say you DON'T have to fight for the job, but you also say there is a LIMITED amount of jobs, which implies that you do have to fight for it. 3. It was a hyperbole that was poorly delivered. The point is that the workload for Surgeons is very high and that they work very long while having to be 100% focussed on what they are doing all the time and the stress is high because every mistake counts. A lot of these operations take very long and are very mentally exhausting. Meanwhile an artist can just call it a day when he wants to and nobody will care if he messes up on a painting or something because he can just make another one. That's why the surgeon needs more resources and services to unload his stress, which he needs more money for.
2018-07-19 20:14
1. No but there are people who want to be surgeons but can't because they don't have the money to study to it. People who study because of the money isn't going to give any money away for free. Actually it probably will go up since the people who really want to be a surgeon can be and those who want to be surgeon for money won't be. 2. Ah correct, i did write that wrong. What i mean is that you have to fight for the job you want even if it's communism or not. 3. The workload for surgeons are very high because alot of doctors become politicians later/know politicians so they are keeping the amount of people that will be taken in for surgeon/doctor education low so that the demand is always high and so the salary is always high. This is a prime example of how capitalism is ruining the world. We need more doctors and surgeons but they won't let us have it.
2018-07-19 20:50
#226
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
Dude when you bait atleast try to make it less obvious it's not fun this way :/
2018-07-19 21:13
Expected when loosing an argument
2018-07-19 21:19
#231
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
*sigh* 1. That's what loans are for. You can repay your study loan because of the high salary you get. By taking the loan you also guarantee that you will actually do your best in school and try to pass it quick and when you have the job you will actually do your best because you paid for it. In certain countries college degrees are even cheap, and no, those are not communist countries. 2. So then what's the point of communism? Communism is based around the idea that the workers are motivated to work because they don't have to worry about money anymore and can thus pursue what they want and contribute to society that way, which means they are more motivated and will do a better job. If you force people to work jobs they don't want to do for little pay they won't work efficiently. 3. Sources for your crazy conspiracy theories? Remember the burden of proof is upon you because you are the defendant
2018-07-19 21:28
1. If everyone could get a lone everyone would do it. 2. What's the question? You answered it on your own lul 3. I don't have any crazy conspiracy theories lul. Look up your own government, if you don't know the current situation i don't know what to tell you...
2018-07-19 21:34
#237
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
1. Everyone is doing it 2. Read it again. The idea of communism is that people are PASSIONATE about the job they do and thus won't care about getting little pay. If you say there isn't an unlimited amount of people that can be a certain job that means there will be people that will have to do a job they don't want to do. Those people won't be passionate about their job and will also not get good pay, which is a lose-lose situation for them and which means they will barely do what they are supposed to and their work quality will be low. With capitalism you will be motivated because atleast you know if you do a good job you will get more pay which leaves you more money to spend so you can enjoy your free time. 3. Do you have a single source of someone backing up your claim? Would be nice if it's actually a reputable source.
2018-07-19 21:39
1. No they aren't lul 2. Yeah so it's almost like it is now except the ones who get the job is going to do a 100 times better job. If you think communism is going to provide unlimited jobs for everyone you are dumb af. 3. I don't know where to find good sources about the US but i found the acceptance rate for medical schools: accepted.com/medical/med-selectivity-ind.. Which if you compare to law for example: schools.lawschoolnumbers.com/rankings/us.. You can see that they accept alot less students to med school than law
2018-07-19 21:54
#244
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
1. Yes they are. ticas.org/sites/default/files/pub_files/.. 66% of graduates from public colleges had student loans. 75% of graduates from private nonprofit colleges had student loans. 88% of graduates from for-profit colleges had student loans. The rest probably saved up money in a college fund, got subsidies or has rich parents. 2.Please actually read what I wrote and give counter-arguments instead of saying things without backing them up like >Yeah so it's almost like it is now except the ones who get the job is going to do a 100 times better job. 3. Almost as if the criteria for medical schools are higher and thus less people are accepted because with medical jobs there is lifes on the line and if you have someone do a half-assed job on a surgery there is no going back, that's why they only accept the best of the best.
2018-07-19 22:04
1. You are providing sources for those who already go to school. I am talking about people who cannot afford to go to school. It's like saying "everyone have a job, look 100% of people who have a job get a salary!!!". 2. Please read what i wrote. 3. Acceptance rate mean that they accept less people to go to the school. It means that they have less spots for people to be accepted to. Even if they had more spots it would still be "best of the best", your arguments doesn't hold.
2018-07-21 10:36
Cuba is the country with the most surgeons per inhabitant. So what are you disputing about?
2018-07-21 09:22
Giving away flyers is not a job
2018-07-19 23:33
Fuck communism, because I'm selfish. Don't wanna share my stuff wit' unknown people. And it won't work because of people like me. - The director of the funeral agency of wifi, wifisfuneral.
2018-07-18 21:45
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nitr0 | 
Netherlands sevN_ 
What did You think about his cypher
2018-07-18 22:20
5/5 - Stefflon Don, J.I.D 4,5/5 - Ski Mask The Slump God 4/5 - wifisfuneral 3/5 - YBN Nahmir 1,5/5 - smokepurpp 1/5 - Lil Pump, BlocBoy JB - The director of the funeral agency of wifi, wifisfuneral.
2018-07-18 22:42
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nitr0 | 
Netherlands sevN_ 
yes, that is also my rating for the cyphers
2018-07-20 23:30
Communism is one thing, socialism/Leninism is something else or an addition to. You are thinking of socialism when you say you dont want to share money/resources. Communism as a 'savior' is as stupid as Capitalism as a savior. We have too many humans consuming too many things, and this will be the case in a Democratic Republic or a Communist state, period.
2018-07-19 21:48
#314
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Europe loonek4 
huh we produce more things than we consume (example: we produce food for 150% of the current world's population) where did you get that from
2018-07-22 13:26
Communism doesn't work
2018-07-18 21:43
Real communism has not been tested. Capitalism isn't working so why not give it another try?
2018-07-18 21:48
Ok I will say it like this, whats the point of becoming a doctor if you can earn the same with no education at all?!?!
2018-07-18 21:49
It's not about everyone having the same salary. But since there are alot of people who become doctors because of the salary and not by interest they will not do their best to help the patients. Don't you want a doctor who really want to help you? Or do you want a doctor that sees you as a moneybag?
2018-07-18 21:52
dude 0/8 better luck next time boro
2018-07-18 21:53
What's 0/8 about it?
2018-07-18 21:53
everything
2018-07-18 21:54
Expected from brainwashed human who cannot change his political view
2018-07-18 21:54
0/8
2018-07-18 21:55
Most doctors will anyways be obsolete after they automate diagnosing and blood tests become even cheaper. I have never went to a doctor without knowing what was wrong with me. Useless cucks unless surgeons.
2018-07-18 22:43
Do you want a doctor? Or do you want there to be no doctors at all?
2018-07-18 21:54
I want a doctor who is a doctor by interest, not by money
2018-07-18 21:59
So in your world there would be people that were enough interested doctors all over the world for everyone to get the same medical treatment we are getting and enjoying now. That's the biggest problem with communism. There aren't enough passionate and commited people in the world. If everyone would get paid the same, very big majority would elect not to work at all. So before you could have communism as it's supposed to be, you'd need to change something in humans themselves.
2018-07-18 22:07
"If everyone would get paid the same, very big majority would elect not to work at all" Typical argument from someone who has been brainwashed from capitalism. People won't get paid the same and people who don't work won't get paid the same
2018-07-18 22:11
I don't think capitalism is the optimal form, biggest problem is with the big corporations. If you think that people will not get paid the same, please explain to me how your own way of communism would work regarding how people would be paid as it is my honest understanding that the point of communism is equal pay for all jobs. Edit: Okay, no money exists, everyone according to their need. Now, tell me why would the people in control of producing for example food, share the food with everyone else?
2018-07-18 22:21
"Now, tell me why would the people in control of producing for example food, share the food with everyone else? " Because in a communistic world people wouldn't be so selfish
2018-07-18 22:24
Well there's your problem. I see humans being very very selfish and thinking mostly about what they need to survive etc. This means that farmers for example would maybe think that they need a doctor in case of sicknesses in which case they could provide food to a doctor and keep the rest to themselves, since they have no interest in what others really need. Also, you would find that drinking water would run out very quickly, as well as cattle and other farming animals, if food was trurly to be distributed according to each for their needs.
2018-07-18 22:27
Yeah this is because you have been taught to think this way since it's the only way capitalism can survive, if you were taught to be less selfish the world would be a better place.
2018-07-18 22:39
#125
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Brazil Felipebrze 
If the doctor wants money in captalism he will need to be a good one swince you get paid as much as you are worth take for example my father who never wanted to become a doctor but the money and also a interest in medicine made him do this choice. Today he is one of the best anesthesiologist in my country
2018-07-19 19:05
He became one of the best because of his interest in medicine, isn't that obv? LUL
2018-07-19 19:07
#138
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Brazil Felipebrze 
No, he said to me many times that he was only able to improve because he always wanted more money and the only way to earn more money is if you became better. If you want to read something about capitalism I suggest you read The Anti-capitalist Mentality
2018-07-19 19:11
It's because it triggered his hormones which makes him feel good, but you trigger the same hormones by doing good for the world and seeing improvements of people
2018-07-19 19:15
#151
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Brazil Felipebrze 
Which hormones and how can you possibly know that?
2018-07-19 19:17
Dopamine What do you mean how i can know that? LUL There are research about it OMEGALUL
2018-07-19 19:22
Ok I dont agree with communism at all but if you want to be a doctor just coz of money dont you wont be the good one. All should do what they love and schooling should be made to learn you how to solve problems not how to work and be slave like it is today
2018-07-18 22:15
Yes, I know but this is a route a lot of people take I agree that everyone should do what they love but a lot of people do it for the money.
2018-07-19 00:03
real capitalism has not been tried for the last 10000 years taxation is theft
2018-07-18 22:35
Because real capitalism can't work. It would be something like 0.001% which have all the wealth and everyone else is to tired to work because they can't afford food and water.
2018-07-18 22:40
no :)
2018-07-18 23:26
#209
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
>Because real capitalism can't work t(-_-t)
2018-07-19 19:58
#321
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Europe loonek4 
cmon even actual anti communst economists don't believe in an anarcho capitalist society, why delude yourself?
2018-07-22 13:46
niceme.me
2018-07-18 23:20
Do you know how much u have to fuckin read to be doctor, many wouldnt be doctor even they liked to if they would get same amount of needs from shit work. Communism would also slow down improvements what capitalism has done, there wouldnt be good science i.e that helps our enviroment or eliminates asteroids and thats very important in future.
2018-07-19 19:54
Improvements for like 10% of the world population. A shittier life for 90%
2018-07-19 19:56
only 10% has cars, only 10% has mobilephone, only 10% has electricity? open your eyes close minded. And EVERYONE will benefit if we can prevent asteroid even thats not so revelant but still possible.
2018-07-19 21:58
"How many times does capitalism have to fail before you realise that world wide communism is the only way we as a human race can survive?" How many times does communism have to be tried before you realise it's fantasy?
2018-07-18 21:44
Real communism has not been tested so it wasn't communism which failed. This i real capitalism though, 1% have almost all wealth and 99% live on the line to poverty. Capitalism at its finest
2018-07-18 21:50
A big part of the worlds richest ppl today have worked their way up to where they are today, so just quit being a lazy bastard and work harder if you want more than what you already have. Pathetic communist
2018-07-18 22:37
And now they make it harder for every individual to make it where they are. 50-60 years ago it was easier to get rich because capitalism wasn't so pure that it is today, that's why Trumps slogan was "Make America Great Again" because it was great before because people could actually get richer instead of poorer.
2018-07-18 22:42
real communism is an unattainable objective corruption will occur anywhere that money is circulated
2018-07-19 19:02
It isn't, that's what all the capitalists want you to think. Yeah that's why the corruption in the US is so god damn high
2018-07-19 19:04
it would be no different with a communist government either... people in power will want to stay in power (history can tell you that), people with access to money will want to maintain that access, and certain people will inevitably benefit much more than the masses people will take notice and want out, no different than what happened in the 80s with the Soviet Union
2018-07-19 19:06
Again you are brainwashed and doesn't even think of the real communism. "no different than what happened in the 80s with the Soviet Union" This proves you know nothing about communism. The soviet union wasn't real communism
2018-07-19 19:09
not brainwashed, just realistic people like being free to do what they want with their lives. do i agree that there are issues with capitalism?? absolutely. but capitalism gives rise to innovation. people are motivated by their own will to live and make themselves better. you want to be in that top % of the white collar class? all the tools are out there for you, but you gotta work for it i love that thought of living and i can't see it any other way
2018-07-19 19:15
"but capitalism gives rise to innovation" It doesn't. It urges people to be corrupt and take advantage of less lucky people
2018-07-19 19:20
no the thought of being successful the thought of making a lot of money and having very nice things for yourself the thought of being famous or a public icon the thought of developing a product that can change lives the thought of developing a new way of doing things as a society or on a global scale the thought of coming up with an idea that can save our future the thought of a way we can help save the environment exploration of space or the oceans all of those are factors that motivate people to become that person and capitalism is what makes it happen you work for yourself. the tools are there and you just need to use them properly
2018-07-19 19:24
And all these things is pretty much only doable if you are doing corrupt things. The tools are not there since the 1% are taking away all these tools because they want more money and they want more power
2018-07-19 19:26
maybe it's you who's brainwashed.... bruh... look at the people who started companies like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Intel, Tesla/SpaceX, Facebook, Myspace, Instagram, Youtube, Google, etc all of them were normal people who came up with something amazing. true innovators. u think they did that for no reason? u honestly think they were who they are because the possibility for future corruption?? come on man....
2018-07-19 19:32
At the creation of these companies you weren't so close to full capitalism you are today, that's why it was easier for people to make these kind of companies. Why do you think Trumps slogan was "Make America Great Again"? He wants people to think that they are able to go back to how it was before. Because it was better when the US wasn't so close to capitalism
2018-07-19 19:34
what???? you're insane dude.... pretty sure it's u who's brainwashed bruh.... republican presidents have been using that slogan for decades. Regan had an identical hat that said the same fucking thing lol
2018-07-19 19:41
Yeah because Reagan thought that the 30's was great, but Trump thinks that the 80's were great.
2018-07-19 19:44
you're insane lol
2018-07-19 19:45
I am not, but Trump are
2018-07-19 19:47
he's a nut, that's for sure lol
2018-07-19 19:47
Indeed lul
2018-07-19 19:50
#143
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Brazil Felipebrze 
If you are corrupt in capitalism you will lose money because people won't buy your products anymore but if you are corrupt in communism chances are that you will become leader of your country
2018-07-19 19:13
No this is wrong. Then Trump would be in jail during the 90's and wouldn't be president today
2018-07-19 19:16
#154
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Brazil Felipebrze 
For what crime?
2018-07-19 19:17
Moneylaundering etc, if you read about Trumps life you would know he had alot of sketchy affairs with Iranians and Russians for example
2018-07-19 19:23
#213
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
Do you have proof for your accusations?
2018-07-19 20:07
Watch "Dirty Money" and "Trump: An american dream"
2018-07-19 20:08
#216
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
Can you link actual sources instead of documentaries of questionable integrity?
2018-07-19 20:10
They aren't questionable integrity LUL You read breitbart and then blame me for giving questionable sources OMEGALUL
2018-07-19 20:19
#220
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
When did I say I read breitbart? reply to my other comment aswell btw pls
2018-07-19 20:21
You have said it in other threads lul
2018-07-19 20:50
#225
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Netherlands Vladrurik 
No I didn't link me the thread where I said it
2018-07-19 21:11
Lmao no, the search function on this website sucks balls
2018-07-19 21:18
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Denmark thorpedo 
nt stalin
2018-07-18 21:45
0/8
2018-07-18 21:46
More like -8/8
2018-07-18 23:27
Don't worry comrade communism gonna work when people merge with ai
2018-07-18 21:51
ntcyka
2018-07-18 21:53
<3 jOELZ
2018-07-18 21:56
0/8, it was funny back in the days, but now your baits are just 0/8
2018-07-18 21:58
It isn't bait if it's the truth
2018-07-19 19:01
YOU CLEARLY HAVE AUTISM
2018-07-18 22:00
Why? I know it's hard to see the truth but in time you might change your political views
2018-07-18 22:01
#26
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
I doubt you're going to convince someone into turning communist tbh
2018-07-18 22:03
Maby not right away but everything takes its time. Answer my questions tho?
2018-07-18 22:05
#29
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Im not the person u asked xox
2018-07-18 22:09
Aha lul, just thought you were since i saw the flag But you could answer my questions anyway
2018-07-18 22:12
Name 1 example of where communism has worked...
2018-07-18 23:43
Since real communism has not been tested i could not name one example since it has not been communism, how is this hard to understand?
2018-07-19 18:30
#146
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Brazil Felipebrze 
Saying that real communism hasn't been tested is so arrogant because it implies that you know more about communism than every other communist dictator
2018-07-19 19:14
Well, if they haven't implemented communism then how could it be communism? It's like saying "i am a doctor" but in reality you are a nurse
2018-07-19 19:17
#156
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Brazil Felipebrze 
But the thing how do you know that your version of communism is the real one, all the dictators said the exactly same thing and it all ended up in the same way
2018-07-19 19:19
It's a book about it. All your questions in this thread are so stupid
2018-07-19 19:24
#191
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Brazil Felipebrze 
Look I really want to have a debate but for that to happen you need to understand some basic things like Ad Hominem, The Appeal to Emotions , Tu Quoque, Burden of Proof and No True Scotsman
2018-07-19 19:46
Yeah same here that's why i started this thread. But your questions implies that i do not know anything and that there is no research about human hormones and there isn't anyone who knows what communism is except dictators.
2018-07-19 19:49
#229
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Brazil Felipebrze 
No they don't what I said is that the same thing you are saying was said by all dictators and that it is arrogant to say that your interpretation is the correct one!
2018-07-19 21:23
It's not my interpretation lul
2018-07-19 21:25
#232
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Brazil Felipebrze 
With your interpretation I meant that your beliefs about communism not the interpretation you created but the one you believe in
2018-07-19 21:27
So every republican or democrat from the US is believing different things? Can't they believe in the same things? Or why can't i believe in the same thing as other communists?
2018-07-21 10:38
#293
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Brazil Felipebrze 
That's exactly what I said, sorry if it was hard to understand but I meant that you interpretation wasn't necessarily created by you
2018-07-21 16:49
No one creates their "own" interpretation without the use of information from others. You are stupid if you don't get this
2018-07-22 12:13
#233
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Brazil Felipebrze 
oh yeah I forgot to mention the strawman argument ;)
2018-07-19 21:29
#234
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Brazil Felipebrze 
oh yeah I forgot to mention the straw man argument ;)
2018-07-19 21:29
How am i the straw man here? LUL Do you even know what the straw man means?
2018-07-19 21:36
#245
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Brazil Felipebrze 
yes, you "straw maned" me when you said that I said that only dictator knew true communism
2018-07-19 22:47
If one uses the straw man argument i create a false "point" you made a answer it myself. What i did was explain to you how your posts could be read by others (including me). I never made any false point or answered that point. Thus i did not use the straw man argument
2018-07-21 10:41
Communism is shit, socialism is good
2018-07-18 22:14
LUL Communism is bestest, it's a better version of socialism
2018-07-18 22:15
i dont think so
2018-07-20 16:42
i do think so
2018-07-21 10:29
life with Gorbatchov/Chernenko/Eltsin was betta so that's it my dear opponent
2018-07-21 13:51
#35
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Brazil IguiN 
Why you're not living in North Korea or Cuba? When you live there i will believe in you.
2018-07-18 22:16
Because they are not communistic countries, they have facism
2018-07-18 22:46
national socialism isn't bad at all, just need to reduce aggression ;)
2018-07-21 13:52
#36
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Turkey Ch0p$1sh 
Both doesnt work we need new system
2018-07-18 22:16
#38
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Denmark Baitvice 
Capitlalism failed? That's news to me. Guess you left this comment from your iPhone.
2018-07-18 22:18
Yeah because majority of the people are living on the brick to poverty
2018-07-18 22:45
#78
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Denmark Baitvice 
Not in my country.
2018-07-19 02:36
Ofc not because you don't have capitalism in your country like the US have
2018-07-19 18:32
#84
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Denmark Baitvice 
Yes but we still have capitalism and not communism.
2018-07-19 18:35
You have a small form of capitalism. And since the US pretty much have full capitalism denmark is a prime example that to get better living standards for everyone you should go more to the left and not to the right
2018-07-19 18:42
#93
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Denmark Baitvice 
Yes but that doesn't mean communism is the solution.
2018-07-19 18:49
For the human race to survive it's the solution
2018-07-19 18:54
#101
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Denmark Baitvice 
No it's not. What we have in nordic countries, is pretty good. Communism is a cancer for the human race.
2018-07-19 18:55
It's not cancer. If communism isn't implemented world wide we will loose a big portion of the population on earth and by time we will die out
2018-07-19 18:56
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United States gtmaniacmda 
I've always wondered how communists think they are are going to implement a communist political system on a macro scale that will actually work. Without killing or jailing a majority of population, that is.
2018-07-18 22:23
"Without killing or jailing a majority of population, that is." You mean like capitalism and facism?
2018-07-18 22:24
#43
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United States gtmaniacmda 
I didn't see you disagree, you are aware that in order for communism to succeed it requires mass murder and imprisonment I assume?
2018-07-18 22:26
No it does not lul, this is another example of capitalistic propaganda
2018-07-18 22:37
#45
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Sweden TDK Em1L 
Put on your Venezuela flag Bruh
2018-07-18 22:28
Venezuela is a socialistic country but nt
2018-07-18 22:44
#50
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Norway AleXeiCS 
Communism is worse then china-built items
2018-07-18 22:40
#55
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Denmark Niicism 
nt
2018-07-18 22:43
Communism look nice on paper and than paper have more value than currency (Venezuela).
2018-07-18 22:47
Venezuela not a communist country
2018-07-18 22:56
>Communism >Socialism same thing
2018-07-18 23:22
No it's definitely not the same thing
2018-07-19 19:02
Nt.
2018-07-19 19:05
Expected from uneducated ukraine
2018-07-19 19:06
Expected from edgy kid who is ashamed to show his real country lmao.
2018-07-19 19:07
Ah the flag argument which isn't really an argument, really expected
2018-07-19 19:09
Wow, you're a real hypocrite, aren't you? You make an insult based on my flag, which btw isn't an argument itself, and when I ask you why you are hiding yours you denounce that as an argument. Expected from self-shaming 10 iq burger.
2018-07-19 19:14
No i pointed out that you are uneducated because most people from CIS are
2018-07-19 19:18
Are you saying that all CIS inhabitants are uneducated? What a racist you are! Luckily for you, CIS isn't a race or an ethnicity, so atleast you don't take that title. So you claim to be against racism/xenophobia/bigotry, which is closely linked to generalization about a race/ethnicity, but you do it yourself. Wonderful.
2018-07-19 19:21
"most people from CIS" You just proved it because you can't read
2018-07-19 19:25
You asumed what I was like based on some stastics. Nt. Once again proven that you are a hypocrite.
2018-07-22 01:38
No i KNOW you are uneducated because of your post saying that communism and socialism is the same thing, it wasn't based of your country but based of your post. Again you show that you are unable to read, so expected from uneducated ukraine
2018-07-22 12:15
Communism is essentialy a less loose form of socialism, but that's like saying that dogs and puppies are different animals. And where did I show "again" that I could not read? Nt.
2018-07-22 12:22
It's more like saying cats and dogs are the same animals because they got 4 legs
2018-07-22 12:25
OMEGALUL
2018-07-18 23:14
2/3 of Venezuelan economy is privately owned
2018-07-18 23:27
Better dead than red
2018-07-18 22:48
Nice, because in your country it's so ez to die. You just have to step outside
2018-07-18 22:57
Indeed. Coz my country is basically communist
2018-07-19 03:36
No OMEGALUL
2018-07-19 18:33
Yes. Absolutely
2018-07-19 20:02
1.Communism abolishes private ownership what leads to inefficient economical management. 2. Communism forces individual to change his natural mindset to artificial ideology and beliefs, otherwise you become an enemy. There is no freedom when you have to follow strict rules everywhere. 3. Communism abolishes religions, but in fact it displaces it with its own idols and ideology. But communist morale washes out quick. I don't know your story, but I suppose if you'd have an experience of living in USSR you'd not be so idealistic.
2018-07-19 04:10
1. It does abolishes private ownership and it leads to a more fair world for everyone and not just the 1%. 2. It doesn't, this is typical capitalist propaganda. Capitalism imprison people who doesn't agree with their mindset and make everyone who doesn't agree with capitalism their enemy. Capitalistic countries are the number 1 in starting war. 3. And capitalism don't? The US is again a prime example. Only one religion is pretty much allowed and it's christianity. Muslims aren't welcome in the US. They hate jews etc etc "if you'd have an experience of living in USSR you'd not be so idealistic" Again, USSR didn't have real communism. How is this hard to understand?
2018-07-19 18:39
I didn't say USSR has real communism. I said "you'd be less idealistic" Capitalism definitely is not the ultimate social model. But it expands limits enough to let you first face your personal disadvantages and let you realise your potential, especially now when there is Internet.
2018-07-19 18:47
You might realise your potential but the vast majority will not be able to reach it because the 1% will try to keep everyone from becoming rich
2018-07-19 18:53
Hes baiting, especially at #3. (Like all he does on this site)
2018-07-19 18:56
How am i baiting when i didn't even write #3? LUL
2018-07-19 19:03
+1
2018-07-19 18:45
#94
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United States Trump2020KAG 
0 out of 50 greatest countries in the world are communist. RIP communism
2018-07-19 18:50
Because real communism has not been tested, that's why. Because there has been 0 communism countries. Capitalism is destroying the world and you are so brainwashed that you cannot see past your political views to save it
2018-07-19 18:55
Capitalism is awesome
2018-07-19 18:52
Karl Marx was right about everything. Because of capitalism 1000 rich people control the world.
2018-07-19 18:53
+1, finally someone who see the real world
2018-07-19 18:55
0/8
2018-07-19 18:57
No No Yes
2018-07-19 18:57
1000 rich ppl is better than 1 crazy dictator
2018-07-19 18:59
In real communism there isn't a dictator
2018-07-19 19:03
#247
JZFB | 
Macedonia P3tru5 
Yes which isnt a good thing. People without a leader are useless. Look at the aftermath of the loss of power in the middle east,people got killed,because there was no one in charge which let terrorist orgs to have all the power.
2018-07-19 23:08
in real capitalism there is no 1% both are miths tho
2018-07-20 19:23
because in real capitalism there is something like 0,01% instead of the 1%
2018-07-21 10:31
I like to eat no thank you. Change my mind
2018-07-19 19:01
some actually fell for this
2018-07-19 19:00
#116
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Germany Vini_1337 
1. Do you personally think you are brainwashed into believing that capitalism is the "greatest"? > No 2. Do you think that you can change your political view? >No 3. And last but not least, why is communism the best system? >Its not
2018-07-19 19:02
How do you know it's not the best? point out some of your views please
2018-07-19 19:04
#129
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Germany Vini_1337 
In my personal opinion, there can never be total equality since all humans want to achive more than others and compete with each other. Communism wouldnt work in the long term
2018-07-19 19:06
This is what you think because this is how capitalism have forced us into this mindset. This is why communism isn't going to be implemented for a very long time, because people like you are so close minded and refuse to think differently and change their political views
2018-07-19 19:11
#140
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Germany Vini_1337 
ok marx xd
2018-07-19 19:12
#248
JZFB | 
Macedonia P3tru5 
lets take yugoslavia the only succesfull communist country in my oppinion. Tito(the dictator of Yugoslavia) died and in 11 years there were wars and people were killed.The people of yugoslavia belived that communisam was the right way and they couldnt sustain their "perfect world"
2018-07-19 23:16
Well, communism still depends on leaders, bad leaders = bad communism
2018-07-19 19:02
i am benefting from it, my mom is president i eat off taxpayers money ez
2018-07-19 19:05
you are right, with real communism the world would be a better place for sure, saw you talking about the doctors problem, people becoming doctors only for the salary, i could not agree more on that, working in the medical sector myself and seeing those issues day by day
2018-07-19 19:10
Thank you
2018-07-19 19:13
#141
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Turkey tastemycobra 
Communism tends to ignore human nature, pal. That is why it is destined to fail. We are selfish beings by nature. Forcing some unnatural theories as a lifestyle wont work. Communism can only help you for critical thinking. But classical communism will never work as a system.
2018-07-19 19:12
So by human nature you mean killing eachother for the sake of killing? So we should legalize murder because it's human nature?
2018-07-19 19:14
#152
trk | 
Brazil 643 
"Forcing some unnatural theories as a lifestyle wont work" do you support liberalism for exemple? if you do, then you phrase gets kind of funny
2018-07-19 19:17
#145
trk | 
Brazil 643 
There's no point talking about communism as a possibility anymore, as it is simply dead and will not appear again. What can be done is to absorb some of its precepts (surplus value for exemple) and replicate them into another political theory. Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin kind of did it (check out his Fourth Political Theory)
2018-07-19 19:14
you fucking piece of shit,go read what has communism done to people,how many people died(hint:during 1910-1930 more people starved to death than died in the holocaust and thats just one period) so stop spreading your cancer ideology
2018-07-19 19:19
First; This you mention wasn't communism so your point is invalid. Second; How many people have capitalism killed because of the wars they created?
2018-07-19 19:29
wars created by both communism and capitalism? you cant blame that solely on capitalism
2018-07-19 19:30
I sure can do, the whole ideology in capitalism is built upon war. You can't have capitalism without creating wars
2018-07-19 19:31
hah delusional idiot, btw Soviet famine of 1932–1933 was under communism wasnt it? how could such things happen under your perfect ideology and how did 50-100 other million people die under communism???
2018-07-19 19:33
They didn't die under communism because the Soviet Union wasn't a communism country, hard to understand huh?
2018-07-19 19:35
Cambodia khmer rouge regime??? did you hear about that one? when did capitalism start to murder people in the millions? never you retard
2018-07-19 19:34
It wasn't communism
2018-07-19 19:36
then what the fuck was that? IT WASNT SOCIALISM IT WAS FUCKING COMMUNISM
2018-07-19 19:36
"The Khmer Rouge period (1975–1979) refers to the rule of Pol Pot, and the Communist Party of Kampuchea over Cambodia"
2018-07-19 19:38
So because someone says they are communism they are? So if i say i'm a doctor i really am a doctor? So if i say i'm a teacher i really am a teacher? Can i write what i want on my resume when i apply for jobs, because what's written there must be true right?
2018-07-19 19:41
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2018-07-19 19:43
Expected when you have no answer
2018-07-19 19:45
you are denying an accepted fact,what more can i do that laugh at you for being a delusional fan of the worst ideology ever
2018-07-19 19:47
You are saying that just because someone wrote it once it's the truth. It's expected tho since most people on HLTV fall for ez propaganda
2018-07-19 19:50
brainwashed
2018-07-19 19:50
Expected from trumpster
2018-07-19 19:53
1: No 2: If some country actually proves that it works, yes. I mean cuba's about to recognize private properties so seems like they want a change. 3: Prove it and I'll believe it.
2018-07-19 19:19
For someone to prove it someone need to test it, otherwise we won't know
2018-07-19 19:28
But my main problem with communism is still that it believes that the collective is worth more than the individual therefore freedom could get restricted for the sake of society. To me its just like nationalsocialism without the talks about race. "Crush capitalism" "You're freedom isn't worth more than the survival of everyone". I can proudly say that I honestly don't give a shit about other people as well that's why I'll never support communism. It's a question of how much you actually care about people that aren't in your inner social core. And As a nationalist I care about my nation but that's about it. People living poor in Africa? I don't care. And as we talked about before I still believe that Africa should be under european rule as those corrupt countries cant run themselves. I dont believe that a person who spends his life getting educated should have the same benefits as some lazy fuck who spent his entire youth smoking pot and ending up as a janitor. These are not arguments against communism its just my personal opinions.
2018-07-19 19:35
Well, why should you be able to live a very good life while someone in africa is starving to death? Why are you worth more than them? Yeah because you are selfish and a horrible human.
2018-07-19 19:38
Like I haven't heard that one before. I am not saying that I am worth this. I got lucky enough to be born here and just like with the lottery a minority wins and a majority loses. Life's not fair and it never will be.
2018-07-19 19:43
It could be close to fair and alot more people could have a better life if people like you wasn't so selfish
2018-07-19 19:44
They could if their garbage countries started to export in their potential scale. The problem with the poorest countries in the world isn't that capitalist countries are screwing them over. The problem is that they're not utilizing their resources to their fullest potential. It's the lack of structure that fucks these countries up.
2018-07-19 19:49
They couldn't since Europeans and Americans have been starting war all over Africa, enslaving their people and use them to manufacture products for free. There is literally zero chance for them to do anything. "It's the lack of structure that fucks these countries up." No it's 100% western countries fault
2018-07-19 19:53
You do know that slaves have been around forever right? The arabs also enslaved africans for their own profit. Are the arabs to blame to a certain extent then or does slavery only become a problem when the west does it?
2018-07-19 19:55
Everyone that has participated in these enslavering is responsible. Why wouldn't they be? But what has most caused Africa to fall behind is from the war started by western countries in Africa
2018-07-19 19:58
0/8
2018-07-19 19:43
#186
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Finland ILoveSpeed 
1. Buy land 2. Make a democratic/capitalistic country so the world would approve it as a country 3. Turn it communist 4. ??? 5. Profit
2018-07-19 19:43
#221
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
Have you ever seen that we dont need the whole world to be comminst or capitalist, the years we had more cience production was during the cold war with almost a good balance of power beetwen cap. And comm. For me the perfect balance is that 50/50 so you can choose for your life and the fckn world keeps working and we wont die as specie cuz then we would get back to that scientificy war that was good for us, in terms
2018-07-19 20:27
The world wasn't working. There was still chaos all over the world and really poor people who lived on poverty. Just because YOUR country was working doesn't mean others was.
2018-07-19 21:09
#239
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
Poor people still in poverty, there still chaos, nothing changed or will, just the propaganda change and then your vision, but anyway, the chaos was at the end of urss when it started to fall
2018-07-19 21:45
Yeah they are still in poverty and it's still chaos because of capitalism
2018-07-19 21:55
#238
allu | 
Sweden Dguyg 
2018-07-19 21:39
#246
JZFB | 
Macedonia P3tru5 
communisam will NEVER WORK you cant make people share thieir property to a stranger. just look at the E.U. germany france and other rich countries dont want to share their economy with spain and greece because why will they . Why will they share something that they have worked soooo hard for(i was talking i the name of germany and france not what i think). Communisam hasnt worked before and probably will never because thats an eutopia, a place thats perfect.(which does not exist) While capitalisam is realistic and actualy fucking work in the real fucking world,its not perfect but thats the real world.
2018-07-19 23:01
Both capitalism and communism are bad.
2018-07-19 23:52
In two years I will work as a lawyer + earn more than 10.000 € per month. Why should i share my money with others? By that time I will pay like 50 % taxes already.
2018-07-20 00:02
kys
2018-07-20 00:02
even cubans dont want communism any more they just legalised private property and the market economy. COMMUNISM IS FAIL WORLDWIDE. venezuelans don't want it, north koreans don't want it, chinese don't want it. only leftists in western countries want it. and that is because they are mentally ill.
2018-07-21 09:16
dont know if this guy is baiting or just mentally retarded
2018-07-21 10:36
Cuba isn't a REAL communist country. Venezuela isn't a communist country, 2/3 of their economy is privatly owned. North Korea is a facist country, not a communist country. Educate yourself.
2018-07-21 10:45
ofc they aren't real communist. communism is a daydream. just like communist proponents are full time theoreticians and bullshitters. they are people who tried to be communist and realised how stupid they were and are now furiously backpedalling after destroying their countries. meanwhile in the west, the fully brainwashed wastrel youth try to emulate their failures.
2018-07-21 11:14
If you admit that they aren't real communist then how can you use these countries as an argument to show that communist has failed? Are you this dumb or baiting?
2018-07-21 11:22
#270
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Greece Poor_Noob 
Tell us some real communist countries by yourself , cause on the whole thread you haven't named any
2018-07-21 11:35
wakanda
2018-07-21 11:37
#272
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Greece Poor_Noob 
Gay marvel fiction countries don't count
2018-07-21 11:39
If you haven't got it there has been no communist country yet
2018-07-21 11:48
so even though it's been attempted many times no one can achieve communism? interesting. what a useful concept.
2018-07-21 11:54
You are indeed dumb. So if you fail at the 10 first tries you should quit? When Edison created the light bulb should he have quit when he didn't succeed the first time? Nice mindset you have. Expected from capitalist
2018-07-21 11:56
so even though it's been attempted many times, even though billions of people have spent their lives working under states committed to achieving it and millions have died in it's name, you're saying no one has achieved communism? very interesting. i can see why smart people are communist.
2018-07-21 11:57
People can call it what they want, but it isn't communism. How is this hard to understand for you? If i call myself a doctor does that automatically make me a doctor? Maby the next day i want to be a lawyer so i call myself a lawyer, does that make me a lawyer?
2018-07-21 12:00
i am not arguing if states were communist or not. i am just exploring with you the practical value of communism and it's results in the real world. attempting communism has cost hundreds of millions of lives since the 20th century and retarded the living standards of billions. and today it has less chance of existing than ever before. so how would you say that communist belief going for you?
2018-07-21 12:20
Since it wasn't communism that caused this your point is invalid. If i say i am a doctor and then kill one while operating a patient, then it turns out i am in fact not a real doctor. Are all doctors responsible for this "murder"? Should we get rid of all doctors because of this?
2018-07-21 12:28
your whole argument is ontological. whether something is real or not can never be authoritative because everyone's experiences and beliefs are subjective. real doctor or fake doctor is no different from real communist and fake communist. everyone has their own opinion and experience of reality. real communism is as unknowable as it is unattainable. it has no more logical basis than belief in god. therefore anyone who claims anything about real communism is clearly suffering from severe retardation.
2018-07-21 12:56
It's insane how you have this hard to understand something so simple. If one uses their own interpretation of communism and doesn't use the original ideas it isn't communism, end of story. If someone says "the earth is flat" does it mean that the earth is actually flat when there is clear evidence that the earth isn't flat? For one to be a doctor one must pass exams which is pretty much the same all over the world. If someone takes exams in computer science that person isn't a doctor. Do you need more ridiculous comparisons? Or are you just to dumb to understand?
2018-07-22 13:07
nt this is from a dude who tried to compare communism with a lightbulb earlier. as if you can compare an intangible idea with a tangible thing xaxaxaxa. it doesn't matter what you think are the "real" and "original" ideas of communism. there will always be another person who disagrees with whether someone qualified. it is not a matter of fact, but of opinion. which is why you have been successful at wasting people's time for days arguing without having to produce any facts. feel free to briefly summarise in your own words some rules for what real communism is. if you can't link a book by marx or engels without summarising it yourself don't bother because you will simply be posting things without regard for whether they prove anything.
2018-07-22 13:34
#284
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Greece Poor_Noob 
U are so dumb .. People died in these failed communism attempts ... And you compared million human lives with a light bulb wow
2018-07-21 12:14
Capitalism has killed more or less the same as fake communism so how is it better?
2018-07-21 12:26
Because real communism can't work. It would be something like 0.000% which have all the wealth and everyone else is to tired to work because there is no food or water. :>
2018-07-21 12:08
Same applies to the light bulb i guess if you're not allowed to make alot of tries
2018-07-21 12:06
gotchya
2018-07-21 12:08
Nice edit
2018-07-21 12:09
ikr
2018-07-21 12:09
#259
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India !NotMyC9 
Okay I know where I am from, if people get things for free a portion of the population will get complacent and not contribute anything to the economy ad start to abuse the system to get the same quality of life as the people who actually contribute. Don't say no, you cannot speak for all of humanity, there's such a thing called "greed". And you may say "How is that bad? Everyone deserves a life!" but I feel that anyone who doesn't contribute to the society should absolutely not get benefited by it, as will anyone else who actually contributes. This is exactly why any sort of "communism" even "socialism" doesn't work. The people contributing to the GDP of a country will think they are getting robbed.
2018-07-21 09:25
#285
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Israel onyango 
I close to being broke with all my bills. Can you give me half of all your financial assets?
2018-07-21 12:15
Ah, another uneducated human who doesn't know how communism works
2018-07-22 12:16
#299
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Israel onyango 
Too bad real communism will never tested because it's stupid.
2018-07-22 12:19
People said the same thing about electricity so i guess it's really dumb and stupid
2018-07-22 12:21
#303
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Europe loonek4 
why do you have "real communism" in your name instead of just communism, that's really misleading
2018-07-22 12:25
It might be misleading for people who really know what communism is and knows that communism has not been tested, but for uneducated people who doesn't know what communism really is and believe everything they read will understand more clearly that there is "fake communism" and "real communism"
2018-07-22 12:49
#309
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Europe loonek4 
You can instead tell them that those the so called "communist countries" are sociaialist/ degenerated workers state or whatever whatever instead of "real communism". Just my 2 cents comrade, I'm really glad you're trying to help people understand what communism is and clarify misunderstandings but many people on hltv are really close minded and many of them won't listen to you as they already made up their mind but yeah good luck.
2018-07-22 12:54
If you actually read the thread you would know that i do that
2018-07-22 13:01
#304
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France ABxel 
Communism is an utopia. This will never work due to human stupidity. /close
2018-07-22 12:31
Communism cant work, because communism have a problems with economy theory. If someone working better than other human he must get more money than other human => he become more rich, because he has more money and this broke political theory of communism, because all people must be equal.
2018-07-22 12:34
#312
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Europe loonek4 
there will be inequality under communism not sure where did u get that from
2018-07-22 13:03
#306
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Turkey Taylannnnn 
capitalism is build upon exploitation and greed, one person has it good at the expense of 1000s of others. We need social democracies everywhere
2018-07-22 12:45
+1, it's a good start but it shouldn't end there
2018-07-22 13:42
#308
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Australia sonimas 
1. Do you personally think you are brainwashed into believing that capitalism is the "greatest"? no i dont think capitalism is the best 2. Do you think that you can change your political view? yes 3. And last but not least, why is communism the best system? its not, national socialism is which is why its so revered
2018-07-22 12:52
Nice. Why don't you think that communism is the best system?
2018-07-22 13:02
Because humanity isn't perfect, people aren't equal
2018-07-22 13:36
So which people are more worth than others? If you go by the conservatists and capitalists in the western countries you are one of those poeple who are least worth
2018-07-22 13:41
#315
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Australia CaoNiQuanJia 
I agree with you 100%
2018-07-22 13:27
Thank you
2018-07-22 13:41
#322
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African Union hdlmb 
terrible bait. why are people falling for it?
2018-07-22 13:49
it isn't bait just because you don't agree
2018-07-22 15:21
#326
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African Union hdlmb 
Yes it is. It's obvious starting from your username. You can fool some of these morons but not everybody.
2018-07-22 16:42
If my whole account was a bait i am really consistent with my ideas, since pretty much every thread i make is about communism. If i wasn't a communist why would i try to argue with people how good communism are? What you suggest doesn't make sense, sorry to disapoint you
2018-07-22 21:40
#323
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Singapore Blloopy 
If people were perfect, then on paper, yes, Communism is better than Capitalism. Unfortunately, people aren't perfect. We are greedy creatures, that's why Capitalism works better for us.
2018-07-22 13:53
That is what the capitalistic propaganda suggest. But we as humans aren't greedy by nature, it's a habit that can change
2018-07-22 21:43
#330
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Singapore Blloopy 
Yes, maybe it is something that we can change, but the thing is that humans are wired to always be greedy. It is a primal instinct. So it would be extremely difficult to be just simply not be greedy. Not to mention that Communism as a whole is a flawed idea. For example, why would you want to be a surgeon if you get the same pay as a garbage collector? Yes I know you discussed about “passionate” people who really want to be surgeons above, but if that’s the case, there would not be enough surgeons in the world to operate on patients.
2018-07-24 17:14
#324
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
Capitalism is failing yea but communism can go fuck its self its the same shit as capitalism just you are old fashioned slave and not a consumer slave. And the only rich people would be in the government which makes that 1% smaller so your point is retarded.
2018-07-22 13:55
1. I think that capitalism is the best and most natural economic model, but I think Americans are too fanatic about it and neglect socialism too much over liberalism because of it. 2. Yes I can. I think meritocracy is a lot better system than pure democracy and fits well with socio-capitalist society, which I believe will be the future. Hence people will always fit their political view according to the dominant economic and humanist models. 3. No pure capitalism nor pure communism have ever existed. Even the most capitalist economies need to have some regulatory policies and most communist economies offer some freedom
2018-07-22 21:57
true
2018-08-09 16:15
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