#1
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United States kick_tarik_ffs 
Why? They have a better ingame leader in the form of steel.
2018-08-01 02:27
#4
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Germany hazy_ 
idk men ( stupid roster move atleast get some aimstar and not 3-22 krystal
2018-08-01 02:29
#8
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United States kick_tarik_ffs 
NA CS is dying with NA teams only picking up EU players and not their own talent. Why don't they sign Zellsis? Infinite from dignitas? grim? So many good fragging NA players in MDL who could use a guy like steel to give them direction and make them improve
2018-08-01 02:52
#10
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Denmark ghostan11 
Krystal has more experience and achieved more than your stupid pug players from tier 5 scene.
2018-08-01 02:58
Stewie2k /closed
2018-08-01 03:10
#16
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Denmark ghostan11 
I meant about the players he posted. Btw do you think everyone could be stewie?
2018-08-01 03:12
No but no one could’ve guessed stew would shape out into the player he did. They should give the players he mentioned at least a trial.
2018-08-01 03:13
#18
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Denmark ghostan11 
Lmfao, at least stew was in the actual team where he achieved something by topping na mdl and played lans where he was promising. Apart from stewie over 2 years they havent found anyone from na to be second stewie. Thats why tier 5 players from na pugs arent comparable to AN actual support who can help Steel with igling. /closed
2018-08-01 03:17
All I’m saying is give them a chance. That’s what a trial is for, they don’t have to keep them if they don’t work
2018-08-01 03:20
#20
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Canada PwnNewb 
twistzz and stewie were BOTH playing with Ocean a couple years ago...sure we might have thought they could improve, but I don't think anyone thought Ocean would develop them and their own hard work also would turn them into tier 1 team players... you might be right about the players he listed, I am not saying you are wrong, but it has happened before when players were given the chance...so it could again IF they are given the chance
2018-08-01 03:22
so ur basically admitting not even ocean wants to play with those shitheads? and ocean does not compare to the euros doing the same job like hunden etc.
2018-08-01 18:52
#39
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Canada PwnNewb 
why doesn't Ocean compare? He has developed many top talents, no different than Hunden. Even if he isn't as good of a tactician, he still scouted the talent, developed it, etc. Every good player who has played with Ocean ended up better for it...maybe if you just started watching CSGO you don't know this, but in 2012-2016 Ocean developed a HUGE percent of the top NA talent. You must not understand what I said, I never commented on who Ocean wants to play with. All I said is that some people we never expected, became top talents when given a chance. I even said that it might not be the case for the players listed above, but I said we will never know if they are not given a chance, what I wrote has nothing to do with who Ocean wants to play with so IDK where you are getting that. Ocean is no different than someone like Hunden, the list of players he has found and/or developed is INSANE. twistzz was just some young highschool kid getting rides to school from teammates and might have never been discovered if not for Ocean, there are probably 10+ good players he has found and a few of them are on top 10 teams.
2018-08-01 20:40
just bcs people have played with that washed up pug hero from back in the day doesnt mean he was the reason they are where theyre at now. all these players that have broken onto better teams have or still do lack basic cs fundamentals. thats why ocean does not compare to hunden, who is respected as one of the best igls in danish cs history. the point is not even ocean wants to play with some of the people u guys are fantasizing about. but thats actually an unreasonable statement on my part. its probably a lot more accurate to say they dont wanna play with ocean.
2018-08-01 21:58
#41
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Canada PwnNewb 
you keep getting stuck on Ocean, clearly you are missing the point. No point to keep repeating myself. I am not fantasizing about anyone, but if you want to put words into my mouth for you to argue with yourself about, go ahead. All I said is that without someone getting a chance, we never know what their potential is. You can be good at discovering talent and developing it, even if you are not the best IGL. Ocean 100% compares to HUNDEN, even if he is not an equal, you would be hard pressed to find someone who has developed more top level NA players than him.
2018-08-01 22:10
BCS ITS ABOUT FUCKING OCEAN YOU THICK FUCK all i said in a throwaway manner is that not even ocean thinks these kids are worth his time. that translates to: they are fucking dogshit. i have already admitted that it was a stupid point bcs ocean is likely the one these people dont wanna play with but whatever. ocean doesnt compare to hunden, still. with that motherfucker u learn "come on boys, play as a team boys, haha trololol big daddy ocean gunna take u to fragadelphia and bottom frag!!!" with hunden u actually get somewhere in terms of development, bcs as opposed to ocean hunden is actually an IGL. and not just a real IGL, a very good one at that as well!
2018-08-02 17:50
high quality bait
2018-08-10 08:47
what do u assume bait here redneck
2018-08-10 16:04
^ bait
2018-08-10 17:43
ok then idiot
2018-08-10 17:46
That's so fucking bs lmao. There are literally so many talents in the top end of the NA MDL, but they're all not quite there yet or just stuck on teams that won't qualify for the MDL. Eunited is the perfect example of a team consisting of these sort of players, but these guys actually made it and it was due to being on the same squad. Not every talent has that. Zellsis is a great example, infinite another one, grim, motm another one. A bunch of players that really has some great potential, but everyone is not on a team consisting of 5 Pro league level players like eunited were. Stewie wasn't anything special when he played officials, he was good, had great impact in the MDL, but what made C9 pick him up wasn't only because he had some decent games in the MDL, they've stated so many times that his FPL performances was the main reason, they needed a skilled guy. Not everyone enjoys playing pugs, everyone isn't as good in pugs as they're in officials. If we're going to talk who looked like the better player, Stewie in his last season of MDL or for example infinite this season of MDL? Infinite without a doubt. But that doesn't mean infinite will turn out to be as good as Stewie, but as I said there are many individuals in the top end of the NA MDL, but they're far to spread out across like 5 teams. Kaboose and floppy are 2 more examples. ''An actual support who can help Steel with igling''. Literally the worst fucking thing I've read here all day. Steel will run the ship as he wants it to be ran, sure if he wants a second opinion, but that's not enough to suffer in terms of firepower. They want the guy because he won't fuck up when Steel's calling stuff, he won't make poor decisions and has some decent experience. Now, if NA truly wants to get some new firepower up there, they shouldn't be picking up EU players to do some kind of bullshit ''support'' role. Many pros have stated, there isn't any role called ''support''. Sure you can do the dirty work, but that's not enough for you to simply call yourself a support and not frag as many seems to think. Sure, you can be the support, but in the way you wrote it it seemed like you're fine with Krystal basically not fragging. Now, this might work out, and I'm not against the move in terms of Ghost becoming a better team until I've seen a few games. But in terms of brining NA talent up it's not the best move. You saying there's no talent basically just shows you're not watching the games and the teams playing the games, because if you would, you wouldn't make that statement.
2018-08-01 03:40
All of those players did top NA MDL, what are you talking about? You can think NA MDL is shit but know what you are talking about first
2018-08-01 04:00
What the fuck does his experience matter when he cant aim for shit? They already have low enough fragging. The experience means fuck all if you cant hit anything.
2018-08-01 03:59
Cos 90% of the players in MDL are exactly that - "good fragging NA players" If they just wanted a good fragger, theyd have kept Pollo. Steel clearly wants something more than that, which is probably something kRYSTAL will provide.
2018-08-01 03:08
Steel is shit. Tier 5 player.
2018-08-10 10:00
ghostg who?
2018-08-01 02:27
Why RIP? Its not like they could get a better player than Krystal
2018-08-01 02:27
#9
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United States kick_tarik_ffs 
????????????????? wtf
2018-08-01 02:53
??????????????? wtf
2018-08-01 10:55
#5
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United States cataclysm 
Seems like a weird move to me. Isn't steel already there igl? I'm assuming by this move they mean to free up Steel from the igl position to be able to frag more I guess. Then again who the hell would want to join a team that has players that are banned from majors, as such I'd imagine they probably have a hard time attracting decent players.
2018-08-01 02:31
#6
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Germany hazy_ 
i think krystal is gonna play full support
2018-08-01 02:31
this is the dumbest comment i have read in months.... no, years
2018-08-01 03:34
#24
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United States cataclysm 
care to elaborate
2018-08-01 03:50
not really
2018-08-01 03:51
#30
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United States cataclysm 
Okay good I was worried that you actually had something worthwhile to say.
2018-08-01 04:00
Damn he didnt deserve for rekt
2018-08-01 18:47
#7
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Germany hazy_ 
bump
2018-08-01 02:41
How is that "RIP"? That's certainly an upgrade from Pollo.
2018-08-01 03:01
#12
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Europe MpK_ 
+1 sombody gets it
2018-08-01 03:03
#14
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United States xollin 
Upgrade from Pollo but barely, dunno why they don’t get another fragger
2018-08-01 03:08
what happend to pollo like everytime when i was watching ghost he was the top fragger and the fpl is really good 2
2018-08-01 03:23
#27
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Germany Cyasera 
I think they had internal issues.
2018-08-01 03:54
#26
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Germany Cyasera 
Well I guess he's good enough for Tier 2 NA...
2018-08-01 03:54
if u can get 0.9 rating in eu u can get 1+ rating in NA
2018-08-01 10:58
You about to learn the hard way thats no longer true
2018-08-01 18:48
#33
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Germany hazy_ 
/discuss
2018-08-01 14:51
#43
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Germany hazy_ 
dddd
2018-08-10 04:26
If steel stays he could be a good fragger and in my opinion krystal is a decent choice. He led Imperial or whatever team it was to a LAN event win weeks after joining.
2018-08-01 18:50
pronax led fnatic to win the major :D
2018-08-01 19:00
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