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New NBK French Lineup
United Kingdom Crypt1cSV 
2018-08-17 01:13
#1
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United States Jammin800k 
I'm gonna have a tough time deciding which team I like more if this is true. Also curious if NBK or Happy would be IGL
2018-08-17 01:15
nbk
2018-08-17 01:16
#13
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Are you guessing or do you know? I know NBK has been saying he really wants to IGL for a while now and I think he would be the better option since happy's style seems a bit outdated.
2018-08-17 01:27
ik its in nels report happy's style isnt outdated considering mous and faze are having fun using it its just happy is too dumb to understand how to adapt his style and now just forces players to do thing they dont want to
2018-08-17 01:34
#35
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United States Jammin800k 
His style is outdated he runs a 4-1 that is very easy to read when you know who the lurker is and he hasnt updated or added many variations in a long time.
2018-08-17 03:08
#186
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
+1 Happy has never been a good IGL, he had terrific players and they got kills based on skill and won rounds they never should have with such a piss poor IGL. The only thing he knew was abusing the enemy teams players and getting t side wins that way but his read never was good
2018-08-17 09:20
His read was average at best, he was never very tactical and just abused the skill on his team while very good at enabling that style to work, it is outdated and easily readable in todays meta.
2018-08-17 09:21
i meant that his freeform style is being used all the time these days with abusing skill and paired with an igl who can make actual good reads it works out quite well this is where i am saying happy is too dumb to be an igl cos his reads and calls are trash
2018-08-17 14:00
if nbk is igl why would u have him on the team lol
2018-08-17 03:14
happy i mean
2018-08-17 03:14
he is still a good fragger
2018-08-17 06:57
#51
Thorin | 
Sweden ezwuo 
Because Happy is known to be a good player individually and have impact with his lurking Edit: He can also frag even better now that he isn't the IGL
2018-08-17 06:59
the thing individually great but.... igl.... worries me I mean cmon nbk... rly.... and happy? he is not an good igl anymore.
2018-08-17 14:20
i dont see whats wrong with NBK IGLing hes clearly motivated to do it and will have the trust of the entire team. Hes extremely experienced and has played pretty much every role except AWPer so he will have a great understanding of how to position players. Just because he hasnt done it before (with a lineup that trusts him and is motivated) doesnt mean it wont work.
2018-08-17 14:45
I mean he gives his stars room to work with but their is nothing behind that. nbk is a great man to help out a bit with calling but thats it.
2018-09-01 16:43
they gonna rape everyone but nip
2018-08-17 01:15
#235
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Turkey Alpyy 
NBK_2_majors_NiP_1_major
2018-08-17 10:06
-happy +scream.
2018-08-17 01:17
#21
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Switzerland veach 
scream bot
2018-08-17 01:48
#23
ScreaM | 
Poland granv 
If scream bot then happy bronze 1
2018-08-17 02:00
#24
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Switzerland veach 
bronze 1 > bot
2018-08-17 02:16
That why scrzam is always removed
2018-08-17 07:36
#222
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United States Cherryyy 
nah scream is for sure going to G2 after this major in place of bodyy
2018-08-17 09:48
#5
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United States TriHardSeven 
If Happy plays well, and he could considering he's not IGLing anymore then this team can go far.
2018-08-17 01:18
-zyw0o -happy +scream +kio -zyw0o cos he's only ever played in pugs and very low level fr lans will not work in an actual team needs to work him self up with lower levels teams such as imperial and learn how to play proper cs plus keep this guy as far away as possible from happy do not ruin another fr talent ffs if anything i would - happy + kio
2018-08-17 01:21
Personally I am with -happy for +kio It isn't anything against happy specifically as he isn't IGLing anymore, but kioshima is a much better player all around. I'd actually enjoy seeing ZywOo play with a proper team, just like I would D0cc, and how I did with Espiranto, Ropz, etc.
2018-08-17 01:22
Wtf? Even while igling happy had better stat
2018-08-17 07:37
His IGL status ruined the others in the team
2018-08-17 14:17
#9
Russia Jovlk 
Happy is the best french player...
2018-08-17 01:22
nah sixer all the way
2018-08-17 01:23
#20
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France Escher 
Devil>>>>
2018-08-17 01:45
#12
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United States Jammin800k 
That's just not true right now but I also dont think theres a skill gap between him and kio he also has proven to be a better IGL than kio and can if NBK doesnt want to
2018-08-17 01:25
if anything he's proven that kio is a much better igl considering with kio they got a better result than anything was able to get in this year and with less talent so
2018-08-17 01:37
When did you start watching?
2018-08-17 02:54
#28
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Wow in a low tier team that attended a really weak tournament in which they still didn't even win. Yeah great evidence.
2018-08-17 02:54
They got better result cuz they were playing like a pug team, it the only way xms hadji and scream kniw how to play the game
2018-08-17 07:38
not really if you watched the matches, it was more of a karrigan style of calling freeform but not that puggy. and by the way all 3 can play in a non pugyy style as all of them have done xms with ex6 in early ldlc hadji in nv academy and scream always plays well in wesg events with ex6 and his style so and returns to playing trash as soon as he goes back to nv so
2018-08-17 13:57
Not talking about right now. Considering the roles he used to play, teammates he had to recruit anew and success he achieved, he is the best one from France!
2018-08-17 02:53
#30
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Best one at what? Being on a good team? I guess by that logic karrigan is the best player on faze because he went from 1 good team to another and rebuilt his career on faze.
2018-08-17 02:55
He was the key player on each and every team that he was succesful with. DreamHack 2014 alone is as impressive as it can get, playing all the roles being an IGL and still winning that MVP.
2018-08-17 02:57
Living in the past my friend
2018-08-17 03:02
Answering questions around. Some may have no clue of the subject they're talking.
2018-08-17 03:05
Not sure if you are joking or not, but you do know Sixer was top 1 in old cs.
2018-08-17 03:26
#36
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
His one dimensional leading style was also the reason that many of his teams declined and has had issues updating his style and being innovative. Also his peaks are just no where close to shox or KennyS and theres no way you can justify calling him more important on LDLC than shox was on very games or Kenny was on titan
2018-08-17 03:11
His capability is much wider than of those you mentioned. He's an IGL, it's not only individual performance wise. Kenny never was an IGL to have a headache before landing shots. Richard tried but failed, blaming Happy for other players' slump-times is just a laughable assumption. Not many who could match him.
2018-08-17 03:14
#41
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Sometimes skill outweighs versatility and in the case of Kenny and Shox it does. It's like if I have the option of having the one of the best scorers in the league in James Harden or a super versatile player like Kawhi Leonard I'm still going to pick the unreplacable scorer and get others who can play defense to replace Kawhi. You cant blame happy for players slumping but you can blame him for having a predictable IGL style that didnt help combined with players slumping. You cant do the same 4-1 strategy for 3 years and expect teams not to catch on.
2018-08-17 03:34
#42
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Theres a reason Kenny has teams being created around him and Happy doesnt. Kenny's skill is just way too valuable. That's not to say Happy doesnt deserve a team at a high level but he will never have the same impact that Kenny does even with his obvious versatility.
2018-08-17 03:41
Not in Happy's case, there's a reason we saw so many highlights from Happy, he was the skill owner back then. And he constructed the team around Kenny once he arrived. Richard never was as good under Happy, that's a disciplined play sissy boy, he wants to do all on his own. Happy's versatility wouldn't be as valuable if he hadn't had that amount of individual skill that he has. So it's aside the point. Happy is a genuine leader, he needs to control everything to make it work and how do you imagine it with those feminine french players that are about to cry once they're touched by rain.
2018-08-17 04:15
#47
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Theres 10x as many clips from Kenny than happy so not sure what your point is there. Happy has had issues maintaining his form over the past years and his IGLing is nothing special anymore while Kenny is still putting up better numbers than anyone else in the French scene. Yes its had to control the egos in the French scene but if you're going to accept the job of IGL then you need to know that that's part of the job and on nV he clearly couldn't seeing as he forced scream into the support role and that team never showed any improvement.
2018-08-17 04:47
I thought I made it clear when I said that he constructed the team around Kenny once he arrived*, before that, Happy was the star player for his own team despite the responsibilities and many roles fillings. Kenny is just a sniper, clutch potential and just a very skilled player. He isn't as good with rifles while Happy has always been a good second sniper along with lurking, calling, clutching and mid-round decision making. I'd say he was pretty much baked since the so-called French Superteam was formed and he was left behind. He's had no motivation to play in a tier two league of his country. He shouldn't have been there. But I'm talking about his capability, you can't deny that given the history's on my side and the timespan is so small.
2018-08-17 05:43
#49
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Happy has literally never been the star player on any tier 1 lineup and Kenny has been the star of his team since 2013. Just a sniper is the understatement of a lifetime hes been widely considered the best sniper in multiple years and his skill outshines any versatility happy has especially considering happy has declined in the past few years to negative ratings and lack luster lineups in which he has achieved nothing with.
2018-08-17 06:42
If Kenny was to play this game solo, he would outshine almost anyone but it's a team game and Happy's versatility is much more valuable considering he isn't much far behind Kenny in individual performance. He was the MVP of a Major, talking about star players, Richard played good but wasn't even the second best, while Happy was, at his second winning Major. I don't know but I think you've started watching way after that all happened. Never denied Kenny's skill but Happy is more valuable as a player given how much he can do in addition to be a prolific leader.
2018-08-17 06:51
#54
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
You're literally only referring to majors? What about the entire rest of their careers where Kenny has gotten WAY more MVPs than Happy same with shox. Happy hasnt been that leader in years while Shox and Kenny had peaks where they were considered top 5 players since then.
2018-08-17 07:35
They were just as good with Happy who didn't let them go loose unlike other jelly-boned IGLs those two played with before and after Happy. Happy's teams at his time were pretty much like current Astralis, very structed and teamplay-based play where the leader is the best player on the team. Those were the times fella. Happy has had some MVPs and aside Majors as well but I'm mentioning Majors as the most prestigeous tourneys, everyone shows up to do their best therefore results on it is a good proof.
2018-08-17 07:36
#59
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Happy and structured? You have to be trolling hes known for his loose style and 4-1 deathbll strats
2018-08-17 07:37
He plays loose himself, straying across the map but his teams play very structured, when it works you mess your eyes up when the round is already over. He makes play being on the other side of the map, creates opportunities for the team. And it goes smooth when he's the leader he is.
2018-08-17 07:39
#68
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
It goes smooth when his entry fraggers hit shots and his lurk works. When you lose the entry duel you essentially lose the round, thats not by any means structured, thats relying on skill which is what 2014-2015 LDLC/nv did and yes it was explosive and fun to watch but nt anywhere near as structured as current astralis, thats insulting
2018-08-17 07:41
You overrate Astralis with their teamplay which is based on confidence and mean time of practice. It's not some strategic game to hail teams such as Astralis, their time has come and they're gonna shine for a while like any team before them. Nothing special, IGLs way of leading means a lot and gla1ve does the work. Just like Happy has done his then.
2018-08-17 07:43
#73
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Their teamplay is literally what carries them along with the innovation from gla1ve and zonic. The only team whose teamplay you can compare them to is 2015-2016 Fnatic4
2018-08-17 07:45
There is no innovation to mention, except for that double-tripple 'nade but it's just funny. They sticker together as a beginner-trio and they've gathered enough confidence to maintain their momentum on the scene but once a quarrel goes through the tower breaks down. Nothing special, once again. Their time is now but it might not take long.
2018-08-17 07:47
#77
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Their setups and executes are insane, what are you talking about. Do you know how hard it is to play against them when they execute on maps such as mirage and inferno. And everything you're saying about Astralis potentially having quarrels and then declining is all speculative, I could say that about any team "oh if these players start arguing the team will fail" Of course it will but theres no indication of that
2018-08-17 07:49
Once a team sparks there comes the fire. Fnatic used to be exactly the same. It's a matter of confidence and a good timing, anything will work out for a team with good morale setup. But it's not a lasting pleasure, this spark might get blown just as fast.
2018-08-17 07:50
#80
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Might could maybe. Thats all im hearing until we have an actual indication of that Astralis will remain the best team in the world with insane tactics and teamplay
2018-08-17 07:51
The humane factor is what it's built on. Once human goes down, the team follows.
2018-08-17 07:53
#84
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
No indication of it, irrelevant
2018-08-17 07:56
#85
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
I like how far youve moved off of the topic of Kenny since i proved he has better stats, consistency, motivation (which says a lot because thats something Kenny has struggled with), and more players in the scene want to play with him.
2018-08-17 07:57
I already talked about it. Mentioned it a several times, Kenny may be a better individual player but it's a team game and players such as NiKo would be no match for any team regardless of how good he is, for he is alone. And Kenny has no brain-sharpened for leading, Happy though does.
2018-08-17 08:03
#90
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Happy's ability to lead 3 years ago doesnt say anything for him right now. Kenny's ability to frag can have a team built around it but Happy cannot. Just because happy has the ability to IGL doesnt make him more valuable.
2018-08-17 08:08
Actually does, what else one team would need than a player that could transform the rest four rather than having good one and relying on him alone? Such teams have never had success. It's now just humanly obvious, aside CS.
2018-08-17 08:11
#94
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Right right so because Hunden is a great IGL that forms danish stars hes more valuable to a team than Device. Great logic. You heard it here first "if you IGL you are immediately the most important player on your team regardless of stats, consistency or actual ability to lead" Just having the role makes you more important.
2018-08-17 08:12
Depends on the IGL's quality but briefly, yes. It's how it's been then, how it should be now.
2018-08-17 08:14
#99
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
No thats not how it always is. Pronax was not the most important player on fnatic, Fallen was not the most important player in 2016 LG/SK and xizt was not the most important player on NiP.
2018-08-17 08:16
I don't say that's how it always is but it depends on the IGL himself anyway. If IGL is not god enough or good at something else, like Zeus for example, he will cheer all up and keep the spirit high, pretty much like pronax and their teams will keep on going without them doing a massive work.
2018-08-17 08:17
Happy may have been quite important back then and was one of my favorite players but that has no impact on his current ability to lead or frag which at the moment are very subpar while Kenny has a team that is literally built around him. Please stop making me repeat this.
2018-08-17 08:18
You're making me do that, why wouldn't I. Kenny is a star on his team but it's not necessarily built around him. The bet was placed on Kevin, which is adapting as of now. Happy was let down, you can understand him, just humanly. And he is more valuable by all fronts but stats wise, though the things he does won't be highlighted in stats.
2018-08-17 08:20
He isn't currently more valuable because his IGLing style sucks right now, what dont you understand about that? Hes not even going to be the IGL of this team.
2018-08-17 08:21
You don't seem to understand that if he once was this good, it should shouts out that there wasn't anything done on him to prevent him from being this good again, once the environment set in. If he gets to the position he was, you've got Happy from that time. He's still good individually, just lacks the trust of his mates.
2018-08-17 08:23
You dont seem to understand that it doesnt matter what you COULD do only what you actually do. And Kenny has remained one of the best AWPers in the world and Shox one of the best riflers in the world during his time on old G2 with rpk while Happy hasnt been in the conversation of top IGLs for years.
2018-08-17 08:24
Hard to make tongue rolling being on a tier lower team. Exchange Happy for Kevin and then we can talk. He has no motivation to try now, IGLing takes it hard. Kenny was silent during 2017 and partly 2016 yet still being on the best French team and that's alright.
2018-08-17 08:26
1.14 and 1.17 LAN ratings is considered silent? Again you're wrong. As i've said before how can Happy be considered the most valuable player if his IGL style is outdated, his stats are low, and he lacks motivation. He doesnt deserve the spot ex6 has after showing 0 improvement with nV over a LONG period of time.
2018-08-17 08:29
By the same logic Kevin doesn't deserve it either, being even lower in the dirt they've brought him from. Happy though, being abandonded just didn't have no motivation to keep playing. They've just lied behind him.
2018-08-17 08:30
Because his leading style was outdated and he showed clear stubbornness not changing it for years while the team declined meanwhile also dropping off individually. While ex6 ldlc improved greatly over time justnot to the tier 1 level because they simply didnt have the talent. Now after losing him they got relegated, what a surprise.
2018-08-17 08:32
Kevin improved to the point that he was kicked from LDLC-White, can't see this as improvement and he wasn't the best one on his team either. Relations of the players is the deciding factor on who will play there and who will not, don't even mention this.
2018-08-17 08:33
#57
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Not that far behind? Thats pretty far considering anything above a 1.2 is godlike hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7429/Happ..
2018-08-17 07:37
He's down and out for years, compare the time Happy was there to win and not just to pretend he's trying for a monthly income. Kenny went down as well. But Happy is a dead weight since 2016 and not the one he used to be.
2018-08-17 07:38
#62
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Lol so you admit happy is dead weight for 2 years now while Kenny has kept his form yet somehow Happy is more valuable to a team than Kenny. Sound logic right there.
2018-08-17 07:39
Kenny is not what he used to be either. And Happy plays very poorly for a very long time now but once again I have to remind you that I'm talking about his capability and the possibility of it working out once he's given the chance. You can't deny that, it's impossible. Don't make me repeat myself.
2018-08-17 07:40
#69
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Kenny still maintains 1.1+ rating and is the star of his team. KennyS' fragging capabilities if were talking about their peaks is the ability to be the best player in the world and an unstoppable AWPer who can win SO MANY duels that he shouldn't. You cant say that for happy.
2018-08-17 07:42
I can see how many he's won being apart from a good leader. That explosive player now is completely lost and barely in a top twenty team. Not saying Happy does better but in a good team it would work so much better but there has to be an internal issue for otherwise it wouldn't be a French CS. Happy's more valuable for a team, Kenny is a good sniper but he can't play alone.
2018-08-17 07:44
#75
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
No one can play alone so that point means literally nothing and he hasnt been a good leader in years. If happy was more valuable he would have players flocking to him to let him build a team and him lead. Instead he isn't even going to be the IGL of this team and Kenny has a team that literally lives and dies by his success.
2018-08-17 07:47
It comes down to tensions between players. Can't call neither of them professional enough to let such things go through. But it doesn't say a thing about Happy's capability and skill. His reputation though, does, he's a real leader that requires a professional behavior and full dedication.
2018-08-17 07:48
#79
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Forcing scream into a support role definitely says something about his capabilities and motivation. How can you be the most valuable player in the scene if you cant even muster up enough motivation to put your star player in the role he belongs.
2018-08-17 07:50
I guess he'd know better where either of his players belonged? You may have been an IGL for some team, I've no clue but I guess your wish should remain what it is. ScreaM was upset due to little to no results and his play would be pitiful either way. Happy's done what he thought be the best and you can't blame him for his teammates not doing what they had to.
2018-08-17 07:52
#83
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Uhm no? Scream should literally never be in a support role, hes never done it before and just doesn't have the mindset for it. Not to mention it turned out AWFULLY and the team achieved nothing. If you're actually going to justify that decision then youre showing a clear lack of knowledge in the scene
2018-08-17 07:55
#86
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
ScreaM was upset due to little to no results and his play would be pitiful either way. Also untrue as soon as Kio entered that team Scream returned to his star fragger position and had much better stats for the few tournaments they attended.
2018-08-17 07:59
Playing as a PUG team has its benefits there is no denying but if we're talking about world's top level, that team would stop just where it began. The timespan between Happy's prime time and his down time is so small that I've no idea how can you deny his highly potential comeback once given a chance. He still has it. And ScreaM, if he's just half as good as everyone praises him to be, would be fine in a supportive role as well, though I lean towards a plain teamplay, there are no roles in the game aside weapon preferences that determine it.
2018-08-17 08:01
#89
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
-Playing as a PUG team has its benefits there is no denying but if we're talking about world's top level, that team would stop just where it began. What does that even mean? The timespan between Happy's prime time and his down time is so small that I've no idea how can you deny his highly potential comeback once given a chance. Hes been lackluster for over 2 years now how is that a small timespan and Kenny has remained consistent over those years posting a 1.1+ rating an entire time, thanks for proving my point. And ScreaM, if he's just half as good as everyone praises him to be, would be fine in a supportive role as well Thats just not how it works, certain players are better in certain roles you support your star players. Theres IGLS AWPers entry fraggers, clutchers/lurkerstar players, and supports . If you deny theres roles you deny that theres structure on a team, every player has a role and I could literally break any top team down into roles. You need passive players that will play lesser spots so your aggressive players can make plays, you need supports that help your entry fraggers take the site likewise you need an entry fragger that is willing to lead the charge so you can gain entrance into the objective. The idea that there arent roles in CS:GO is heinous and anyone who believes that just doesnt understand counterstrike.
2018-08-17 08:07
Don't amuse me with sentences like "You just don't understand Counter-Strike...". implying you do. What of all I've said was not understandable enough for you? Haven't I just mentioned the Kenny-Happy situation that I have to get back to it again?
2018-08-17 08:09
#92
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
You ignored literally everything i said to say that? I proved you wrong on every point about how happy is more valuable than kenny, the simple fact that he has teams being built around him while Happy has struggled to return to the tier 1 level for 2 years now should be enough to tell you that
2018-08-17 08:11
Well, don't yearn to win this argument, it's just a forum site after all for sanity sake. So amusing. I won't even bother asking what have you just won but I hurry up to remind you the initial argument was that Happy is the best French player due to his abilities and capability to be. He can do much more than Kenny, no matter how good Kenny does what he does.
2018-08-17 08:12
#97
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
His potential capability to be a great lurker and IGL doesnt mean anythig when he is currently neither. And even so if we take both players at their peaks KennnyS is the best player in the world while Happy simply isn't. Case closed
2018-08-17 08:14
No, cannot agree. Kenny has never been the best player in the world. And he's now having his one Major title thanks to no one but Happy himself. Now just ponder about it. He had all the chances in the world to do that before him and way after him but he never came close. A feed for the head.
2018-08-17 08:15
You're saying he was upset about being left out and i said there are two options. Grind and get back to the top to prove them wrong or be emo and dont try, you're saying he chose the latter which is DEFINITELY the wrong choice
2018-08-17 09:44
See my last reply. I mentioned this then.
2018-08-17 09:45
Only due to happy is such a strawman, every player on that team played amazingly and had huge impact on the overall success of the team. Kenny at his peak was by far the hardest player in the world to deal with on titan in 2014 and on the major winning nV.
2018-08-17 08:17
No need to stoop so low. I've only stated obvious, Happy is the only man who brought titles to France being the headliner in it. And he can do it again.
2018-08-17 08:18
Shox in verygames didn't bring titles? Interesting While also being considered one of the top 3 players in the world i might add
2018-08-17 08:20
No, he's not, not even close. Top ten is where he belongs surely, but not top three. Richard did for sure, but the Major titles is where it's at. The ultimate goal is to grab as many as possible, and he ain't done anything, just a Happy's crew member. Should be proud.
2018-08-17 08:21
I meant at the time he was on verygames thats the point of the of me saying considerED. Also if your only reference to success is majors when currently there are tournaments during the year with just as much talent as the majors than you have no argument.
2018-08-17 08:23
Well, he wasn't just considered, he was top three if I'm not mistaken. What's the point of bringing it up if you deny Happy's return if he was once that good. Back then, there was no Eleague nor anything else equal. Now it is different but the point still stands, Happy did win the best tournament there were, his countrymen didn't.
2018-08-17 08:25
I dont deny happys ability to have impact just stating that if he isn't currently showing that impact then he cant be considered the most valuable player in the scene over legends who have maintained their consistency throughout years he's dropped off severely during. The point doesnt still stand, Kenny and Shox have way more MVPs at big events and have teams being built around them while Happy has struggled to get back to tier 1 for almost 3 years now.
2018-08-17 08:27
He was betrayed by the one who used to play with him. They formed that "French Superteam" behind his back, would you want to continue performing at that point. I'm talking about his capability and the possibility of it happening, once again. He can do it.
2018-08-17 08:29
He CAN but that doesnt matter Shox and Kenny DO and that makes them more valuable. Everything you're saying is speculation while im stating facts. Kenny and Shox are by far the most sought after players in the french scene.
2018-08-17 08:30
Well, you should look back and watch when Happy DID, when he WANTS to, he DOES it like nobody else ever COULD. So, it should be very clear that he should be given a chance and everything was leading to it but the thing that stopped it, was his relations with the players who were deciding who will and who will not play on the best French team. That's how you determine it on a professional level? I'd better be off words then.
2018-08-17 08:32
Looking back to then doesnt help me determine who is more valuable right now and who i want to build my team around. If i avg 30 ppg and 10 assists in my first 3 seasons and then drop off to 12 ppg and 4 assists in my next 4 and dont change my playstyle at all or work hard to work back to the top why should any team consider me as a potential starplayer? They wouldnt
2018-08-17 08:34
It will depend on what results the team is looking for. If the G2 management is satisfied with stable playoffs reach without any significant victories, I can understand his pursue in Richard's leading. If they want to be what they implied they'd be, the decision making is one of the Silvers in MM. Will you deny that the current G2 is the best French lineup possible? Do it.
2018-08-17 08:36
Obviously the G2 management wants to lift trophies and so do the players and no the current G2 lineup is not the best it could be but Happy also isn't in the version of the lineup where it is the best it could be so that point is irrelevant.
2018-08-17 08:38
Your opinion doesn't cross this all over. History says that he'd be the best for his role which is more likely true than not, Kevin has nothing to brag about on his belt while Happy, well, we both know, don't we?
2018-08-17 08:39
Ex6 was amazing in verygames what are you talking about? Just because he HAS doesnt mean he WILL and with his outdated IGL style its likely that he wouldn't but it doesnt matter because he wont ever IGL again.
2018-08-17 08:40
Kevin was good at the lowest peak of the game, you mean it? And how far it went? Still second to none, not very great. And you can't say that for sure, very foolish. He might still be recruited and what'd you say then?
2018-08-17 08:41
Not very great? They were the best team in the world for 10 months and top 3 for 2 years. Do you have any knowledge of the scene whatsoever? And did you even read the newspost at the top of this thread? NBK created this squad so he could be the IGL and with players clear avoidance of teams lead by Happy its quite clear he wont IGL at tier 1 ever again.
2018-08-17 08:44
Being on top with NiP and a bunch of newcome teams, in the transition time of the game, once the opposition struck both went down. Where have Titan been when Happy has lost his squad and formed a full new one and won Major after all? It's not even clear that it will happen at all, there was no official report of it. Just some hurricane spreadsman.
2018-08-17 08:46
I mean kqly got banned and the team fell apart, pretty obvious and then they recruited Apex and KennyS, funny huh? How many players in the scene want to play with KennyS Also you ignored the 2nd part of the last post so im just going to assume you have no rebuttle
2018-08-17 08:47
Did you even read my second part of the post or went straight assuming? "It's not even clear that it will happen at all, there was no official report of it. Just some hurricane spreadsman." Kenny is a good addition to any team but they didn't really need him at the time Happy had authority to lead the way he can. Still can.
2018-08-17 08:49
"It's not even clear that it will happen at all, That what will happen? If this team is formed or any team with NBK, NBK will IGL. Can doesnt matter, all that matters it what you do
2018-08-17 08:51
It's very foolish to say as we were robots who wouldn't have emotions. So Richard is allowed to build a team around his friends and Happy cannot be let down and unmotivated? High class hipocrisity. If that will happen then Happy will let NBK- lead like he wanted and we'll see what happens next. Once ha fails, Happy probably gets to it.
2018-08-17 08:53
That g2 lineup will change as soon as the major is over, they just needed to retain their spot. The fact that NBK even has to fail in the first place to allow Happy to IGL is proof that Happys style doesnt work anymore and hes not that great of an IGL anymore.
2018-08-17 08:54
It is due to a fact that Happy is not the one who is forming the team and he has no saying in it. He just wants to play and perform like any other player would. Surrounded by the others whom he had success with. Crystal clear.
2018-08-17 08:56
If any of these players believed that Happy still had the capability to lead teams to majors then he would be leading but the sad fact is they dont and he has proven that he cant anymore.
2018-08-17 08:57
He hasn't proven them neither wrong or right. He was waiting for them to fail. And the players' opinions shouldn't be the case considering how much power one can have being absolutely equal to others. It's invalid.
2018-08-17 08:59
He has proven them right with terrible results and obvious teamplay and tactical issues on the teams hes lead in recent years.
2018-08-17 08:59
How do you know that he was even trying? Import logic in it, he was left in a tier two-three team by that point, his career was downbound at that point. And the decision was pulled off by someone who wasn't a friend to him at all. How many more times I'd repeat it.
2018-08-17 09:01
If he wasn't trying thats even more of a reason not to give him a chance, thats sad if he lacks THAT much motivation over a 2 year period.
2018-08-17 09:02
Thats disrespectful to his fans, his org, his teammates, and honestly himself if he wasted that much of their money and time.
2018-08-17 09:03
If one player has that much power the whole thing becomes plastic and not deserved a bits of honor. Richard isn't any better than all others.
2018-08-17 09:04
What does that even mean? Shox has power in the french scene because hes one of the best player to ever play the game and players want to play with him, yet another reason he is more valuable than happy.
2018-08-17 09:06
No, it can't be that way regardless of player's abilities. Neither with Happy. It creates inequality and unequal chances for players to reach the contracts and opportunities. And players' opinions are not the case once again. CEO of organizations makes this kind of decisions, not the players themselves.
2018-08-17 09:08
But happy still had a team to lead even after being kicked from the superteam and he did nothing with it. They got progressively worse and he didnt change his IGL style at all, why does he deserve to lead G2?
2018-08-17 08:36
Because he did so before and he was the best at it, if they want a potential grow and the best results possible, they should have given him a chance instead of looking at aftermath of their betrayal. Very alike French feminines.
2018-08-17 08:38
He did so when his IGL style wasnt outdated but he has refused to update it and therefore he isnt considered for IGL spots. Thats why he wont even be the IGL of this new team just a lurker.
2018-08-17 08:39
You cannot say that, if that doesn't work the reasoning could be from A to Z. Not necessarily outdated and given that he's still good individually, the problem is in communication and understanding. His teammates don't believe in him no more even though he showed no signs for that. Not like this.
2018-08-17 08:40
His teammates DID believe in him when that roster formed and the team went no where but down same with his stats.
2018-08-17 08:41
I don't think so, they've tried DEVIL out and everything went down, they've gain suspcious minds already by that point. NBK- was drooling to start leading, others were missing Richard and so on. Happy was losing them before it even happened. Dan's interview shined a light on it.
2018-08-17 08:43
Im talking about the Happy sixer xms rpk scream lineup that only went downhill despite everyone trusting Happy.
2018-08-17 08:46
Happy's motivation, imagine it, they all have left him behind off newly formed "Superteam" even though he's the one who have led them all to their only Major titles, for some twice. I clearly see the reason why he was not Happy anymore and not about to.
2018-08-17 08:47
What does that have to do with anything, need i remind you your point was that "Happy is the best player in the french scene" Yet youve admitted his IGL style doesnt work anymore, his stats have dropped off significantly while others havent, he's lost motivation, and he refuses update his style.
2018-08-17 08:49
I've never said his IGL style doesn't work anymore, his motivation to play is not there no more. Different things. It can be brought back unlike the skill for it which has always been there with him. Give him a chance in Kevin's way and he will do his work.
2018-08-17 08:51
So you're saying his IGL style still does work yet all of the teams he has been on since late 2015 have had serious and obvious communication issues, lackluster playbooks and easily readable styles. How can you be the most valuable player if you lose motivation as soon as one of your players disagrees with you? Thats not a very good leader.
2018-08-17 08:52
Not just one, he was the most prolific French leader of all time and one of the best overall at that time, he clearly had the momentum going his way but just because he wasn't attractive to the other players he wasn't considered on the new French team backed by a big organization and the Richard's tongue found his way into CEO's bum, there is no surprising. But once again, remember what I said.
2018-08-17 08:54
Keyword WAS not anymore, were talking about right now and right now he is not the best or the most valuable player.
2018-08-17 08:55
You never know it given the fact what kind of motivation could have been left in his persona. It is very understandable. He still can, there's nothing happened for him to lock his ability.
2018-08-17 08:57
But the fact that he might still have the potential to do so doesnt make him the current most valuable or best player in the french scene until he actual does.
2018-08-17 08:58
He is not by the potential of it coming true but by what he has already done. It goes to show that it can be done again in a right environment which is the most issue in French teams.
2018-08-17 08:59
Can doesnt mean will and the fact that he hasnt for 2 years proves that. Also if he couldnt control their egos back then what is going to be different now? The french scene will always have egos that need to be kept in check and you're going to need a leader capable of that, again happy has shown he isn't
2018-08-17 09:01
IGLs don't have power over players' emotions and feelings. It's not a real sport game where bets at stake reach the sky. He has to work with what he always had. And it's mostly about French personalities, nagging nature but they were neutral to him back then. Now plain aversion.
2018-08-17 09:03
They need to keep players emotions in check thats one of the parts of leading a team. The"bets" part made no sense and i irrelevant If hes going to lead a team he needs to be able to calm them and get them to work together otherwise hes literally not doing his job.
2018-08-17 09:05
His responsibility doesn't grasp full control over players he's playing with. He can only lead them in game, not outside of with. They should be professional to forget about tensions and aim at the results, but they ain't. Of course.
2018-08-17 09:06
Right they're not but weve know that for years now, theres egos on every team that have to be kept in check the french scene just has more of them, so if you're going to lead a team in the french scene you have to know thats part of the job. Ex6tenz seems to be handling it well as an actual leader both tactically and emotionally.
2018-08-17 09:07
He does it because they prefer him over Happy, due to his personality and way of leading no matter how good it is. It's obvious. Richard had admitted it himself, he didn't like Happy's way of IGLing even though it worked with and without him. And still he somehow gets the power to decide the outcome of French shuffle. It's a joke in itself.
2018-08-17 09:09
Personality is part of leading, you have to win players over you cant just expect to have absolute control over the squad. And no his style didnt work when he was on envyus at all they had terrible results, why are you ignoring this? Because it doesnt fit your narrative thats why.
2018-08-17 09:11
No, don't assume. I've already told you why, it won't help you at all. EnVyUs was working perfectly with the setups he's made and once the players began feeling irritated, despite the obvious success, they started nagging for a change, DEVIL signing buried the team spirit completely and it went away. Happy lost it big time, having it on his shoulders as an IGL even though he wasn't to blame at all. He's done what he had to. And we're talking about industry, they should be professionals for they are PROFESSIONAL players, they cannot decide whether they want to play or not once they're signed. Yet they are crying.
2018-08-17 09:14
I didn't assume anything. No they werent they had literally no successful periods on the happy xms rpk sixer scream lineups
2018-08-17 09:15
You did assume that little thing in a pity way. I'm talking about nV with Kenny, there was no mentioning of post-Kenny period. There is a reason for that too.
2018-08-17 09:16
Im sure, theres a reason for everything. Nothing his happys fault hes the best leader ever and always had the best strats and was the best emotional leader but yet no one trusted him and even the teams that did failed.
2018-08-17 09:18
This won't give you nothing. I've taken time and replied to every question you gave me, I've no idea what else would bug your mind. Though I never denied his poor state in the recent years.
2018-08-17 09:19
Whatever that means, hes been subpar for 3 years even on lineups where hes had full trust.
2018-08-17 09:20
He's done arguably fine for the players' level he had in touch and you can't just ignore the fact that he was abandoned by his ex-mates because they simply dislike him even though he did all he could and put his soul in the winning time.
2018-08-17 09:22
He had over a year to recover, if couldn't in that time he never will and should never lead again if thats the case. He didnt do fine that team was a shitshow and should have had way better results but instead gradually declined.
2018-08-17 09:23
They did well actually, winning a tourney once a year, it wasn't far behind the actual "Superteam" who was exiting groupstages of the Major constantly and barely won anything significant. It struck them all so they still whine how bad he was.
2018-08-17 09:28
They had 0 top 4s at big events, it was abysmal and were WELL behind g2 who won 2 big events
2018-08-17 09:30
Many teams had similar runs who on paper would have done much better, so what's it all about given Happy was really bad then?
2018-08-17 09:34
Many teams like who? Had 0 top 4s? I doubt it. That happy cannont be considered the most valuable player if he cant lead a team that fully trusts him to any amount of success.
2018-08-17 09:35
Given the circumstances of his appearing in the team in the first place, don't you ask yourself you'd done same, if not worse? How can you exclude humane factor everytime? They're not robots, please.
2018-08-17 09:37
He had over a year to get over being left out of the super team, thats no excuse. Theres two ways to deal with that situation, be emo as hell and not try or prove they made the wrong decision and work your way back to the top.
2018-08-17 09:38
Don't you think if that struck him that bad, it has led to further complications in his play such as lack of practice and game-adapting and learn so that he wasn't as good as before. It all just seemed meaningless, having given all you had and still being betrayed. It depends on a lot of factors, neither of us are aware of but the scenario is given.
2018-08-17 09:40
One is clearly better than the other and happy chose the wrong one.
2018-08-17 09:40
What do you mean now? What did he choose wrong?
2018-08-17 09:42
What does any of that have to do with Happys value to a team though? He has poor stats, leadership, tactics, and motivation as of late yet you still consider him the most valuable player in the scene due to his achievements 3 years ago?
2018-08-17 09:10
Yes because it matters, 3 years break with a solid reasoning is nothing in comparison to stable medium performance. Happy can do much more.
2018-08-17 09:11
Solid reasoning? What does that mean? Stable medium performance from who? Can doesnt mean will and he hasnt shown that he can for 3 years now.
2018-08-17 09:12
You're having a severe comprehension problem. Solid reasoning for his performance past three years. Stable medium performance by those who were picked on the current best French team. Happy can do so much more but they don't like him? Just don't like him, yeah.
2018-08-17 09:15
He had a team that trusted him in rpk scream sixer and xms and did nothing with it for a year, why is that? Just an excuse for everything when the reality his hes not a great leader tactically or emotionally and lacks motivation to be one.
2018-08-17 09:16
He didn't lack a thing when he was treated professionally. Is it any fair in your world? The player who dislikes you gets to decide whether will you play on the best team or not? Amusing.
2018-08-17 09:18
What does that have to do with the rpk scream sixer xms lineup that had 4 players that trusted him and a good amount of talent that trusted him and yet still underperformed. Stop changing the subject.
2018-08-17 09:20
I'm replying to you as you give me the ground for it. I don't change subject. I already replied to that many times before, you still don't seem to get it, I even broke it down to you. They've done good for the team of their level and the motivation and mental state that their IGL had.
2018-08-17 09:21
They didnt do good at all, they played WAY below the level they should have been at. And once again Happy's mental state is the reason for why the team failed? Wow I definitely want him to come lead my team and base its success entirely on how hes feeling.
2018-08-17 09:22
He's the IGL of the team, it depends on him for the most and if you dislike him and constantly hearing bad things from other French players just because he didn't give them enough freedom, you'd ask yourself, "do I really need it at all?"
2018-08-17 09:26
Do you have any evidence that scream rpk xms or sixer felt that way about him? They didnt dislike him and trusted his leadership the entire time yet their results look like this at big events gyazo.com/3d704698058dd408b4c5a25a60e567..
2018-08-17 09:28
G2's trophie room was dark and empty in the same manner, luckily giving a shot once at a time. So, they all suffered from it.
2018-08-17 09:31
Nope they won 2 big events
2018-08-17 09:31
And even so that doesnt justify happy being terrible on that iteration of nV
2018-08-17 09:32
It wasn't intended as justification, but the one is that he was left behind and betrayed by his ex-teammates he hadn't harmed which in any way.
2018-08-17 09:35
He harmed them by being a poor IGL and not updating his style.
2018-08-17 09:36
Oh, you could have just not replied at all. It makes no sense. Implying they were just standing there waiting for a command while in fact they've brought fire which they threw at him instead of co-working together on removing issues within the team.
2018-08-17 09:38
Still doesnt explain his lack of success on his roster afterward
2018-08-17 09:39
Already given most probable reasons in the previous reply, how can you be so thick coming back to it everytime.
2018-08-17 09:41
Not a vaid reason
2018-08-17 09:44
I do think it struck him but in he had time to get over it as i said. You can be upset for a little while but the only thing you can do is grind and prove you deserved that spot. Whether he was trying or not we don't know but the facts are there. Either he wasn't trying which is disrespectful to all parties involved and shows a clear lack of character or he was trying and isn't cut out to be an IGL.
2018-08-17 09:42
The time he was down he has lost the streak he had, they've just destroyed him for what? Something as unsignificant as not letting them play the way they wanted? Speculations aside. It caused more trouble in the long run, had that downtime been shortly, it played its role anyway. He wasn't as good but it doesn't mean now that he cannot be what he used to be.
2018-08-17 09:45
So whats your point? That hes an IGL with potential sure, he COULD return to form and update his style but that in no means makes him the most valuable player in the french scene.
2018-08-17 09:46
His achievements and positions from which he used to achieve them surely do make him one. He's not the greatest individual player from France, but he's the most valuable one.
2018-08-17 09:47
Nope not currently, you have to prove you're at that level not based on what you did 3 years ago but what you are currently capable of.
2018-08-17 09:48
Are we talking about the current most valuable player otherwise it makes no sense? Would you call s1mple the best player ever?
2018-08-17 09:49
yes were talking about the current most valuable player and no i would not call simple that.
2018-08-17 09:50
S1mple is the current best player but needs to maintain his form to be called the best ever, likewise happy was the most valuable player at one point but has heavily fallen off since.
2018-08-17 09:50
Your original statement was ""Happy is the best french player..." IS meaning currently IS Not only is that not true currently it's not true if we talk about the french scene from beginning to end, that would be Kenny or Shox
2018-08-17 09:54
You disregard the work he's done so heavily, there's no point in talking about the current most valuable player, it's just pathetic, it changes rapidly that there is no way to determine one. Kenny and Richard are just riflers, they don't lead teams, they don't play difficult positions. Happy did all three and still was the best on his team many times. That is deadly enough. His year-long inactivity is the aftermath of his treatment from the scene.
2018-08-17 10:03
The most valuable player in the french scene hasnt change in years its been Kenny for a while now. You dont have to lead a team to be the most valuable player, if your fragging alone is enough to carry the team through games they shouldn't win that makes you valuable. Also lurking in a 4-1 when you have the best entry fraggers in the world is not difficult at all and on CT side he played 2nd AWP so his positions were not that hard.
2018-08-17 10:05
Kenny doesn't have a nerve to make plays, he plays the way he's told to, he's in his setup. Either loosened up which just goes to show the competence of an IGL or strictly but surely, for the team. You don't have to lead a team but if you do and still being the best among them, it's bloody much more better than just an amazing fragger that have no impact on other players. And the best entry-fraggers became the best with Happy, his trademark is having good-entries because of his iconic lurk that gives them freedom for it.
2018-08-17 10:08
Kenny? A passive player that only does what hes told? Give me a break, hes one of the most aggressive AWPers ever. And Happys lurking is improved by the success of the entries not the other way around.
2018-08-17 10:10
If he's aggressive it's because he was told to, he's not a passive player, he's a passive person, very submissive. How you can't understand things written in your native language. I'm not talking about Happy's lurking but about the entry-fraggers that played with him. He's set them up.
2018-08-17 10:12
No it's because he made the decision, he makes decisions himself constantly thats why it was said that he has unlimited freedom in an interview with ex6tenz. Also your English is terrible so maybe thats part of it, im constantly having to decode what you're saying. No the entry fraggers set happy up to lurk, happy doesnt set the entry fraggers up to get entrys by lurking otherwise that would make happy the entry fragger, get it?
2018-08-17 10:15
It might be the case with Kevin but not with Happy. Although Kenny won MVP under Happy's leadership so it once again only goes to show obvious. My English is fine, not the perfect one but very understandable and if you dare whining about it, you admit to have an IQ that doesn't allow you to understand what I'm trying to say, you can get a person or two to read it for you. You just plainly disagree with all I'm saying without adding anything to it. And the last sentence is nonsense.
2018-08-17 10:20
What does that have to do with anything though? Kenny has always been an aggressive AWPer on every team hes on, thats his style and hes amazing at it so teams let him do what he wants to do. Its understandable but not obvious, you use a lot of unnecessary words and poorly phrased sentences that make sense in theory but are hard to read and to insinuate that I lack intelligence because your English is below average is just pathetic. And no Entry fraggers set up lurkers thats how it works. If i get an entry on B and my lurker is A halls then my lurker can capitalize on an unsuspecting rotating CT. Very rarely is he doing fakes to distract the CTs and if he is its very obvious because like i said his style is outdated and easily readable now.
2018-08-17 10:23
It's false, lurker in a situation with entry-fraggers is the leading player, he either starts attacking doing a fake or waits for entry-fraggers to do to backstab. Either way he is the main role player in that situation and he makes decision when and how, especially if the lurker is IGL. And player's preference should be considered but the decision is being made by the captain, not by the players regardless of skill.
2018-08-17 10:27
Nope entry fraggers 9/10 times go first and then let the lurker backstab rotating players, And player's preference should be considered but the decision is being made by the captain, not by the players regardless of skill. That all depends on the system that you run. Some systems allow individual players to make whatever plays they feel are necessary at the time. To say that every decision should be made by the IGL is ignorant and literally impossible and Happy sure as hell didnt do that on any team he was leading.
2018-08-17 10:29
You've no clue about it so keep it as assumption. Even if entry-fraggers go first which I mentioned, the decision is being made by the lurker or the IGL respectively, if he's not the both in one. So.... No.
2018-08-17 10:31
Happy is never the first point of contact, his entrys go in then he begins lurking for kills it used to work but now its easily read and outdated yet he still continues to do it.
2018-08-17 10:16
It still can work if the team plays how he tells them to but it's impossible playing with someone who don't listen to you.
2018-08-17 10:20
Yes the decision to start the execute is determined by the IGL but when he says "go" the entry fraggers go in with the support of their teammates THEN the lurker backstabs rotating players youtube.com/watch?v=C8wgbRaBVb4&ab_chann.. Happy sitting boost while the execute comes in THEN players rotate and he kills them from behind while theyre distracted. His position isnt supportive, its frag heavy.
2018-08-17 10:33
It's only one case out of hundreds, if not thousands and Happy pretty much have done all he possibly could depending on the plan he carried out. One case is just a joke to provide. Gather all they ever made then.
2018-08-17 10:35
Thats just how lurking works though? You play off the fact that CTs are focused on retaking and not worried about what could be behind them. Do you have any examples of Happy throwing a fake and successfully distracting the enemy team BEFORE his team executes?
2018-08-17 10:36
I don't think I have any on my mind, Happy was but an entry. Though I might have seen it some times long ago. But it's not how it works principally, that's how he did it.
2018-08-17 10:38
Nope thats exactly how lurking works, you backstab unsuspecting CTs because they are focused on retaking but you are in an unexpected spot behind them. If you can't think of any examples or show any examples and I can then you have no proof of your claim.
2018-08-17 10:39
You're the one who claims to have knowledge of CS, how can't you deny that. Lurker might attack first to create a space for the team, it's a very famous kind of play. Lurker are the ones who backstab, they are who roam the map for opportunity to abuse and there nothing said about them hitting in the back exclussively.
2018-08-17 10:41
And you're telling me that only now? Just in time when you've run out of things to say? Before it seemed valid. You cannot know everything for sure, neither can I.
2018-08-17 09:46
Telling you what only now? Ive literally been repeating myself the entire conversation because you bring up no relevant points to how he is currently the most valuable player in the scene, he has potential but you have to show that potential if you want that title.
2018-08-17 09:47
Hasn't he done that already? He's literally the only one in his position who achieved what he did, playing with players as unstable as mentioned above. He has already showed that in the process and on paper.
2018-08-17 09:48
Nope he hasn't shown that for 3 years while yes very impressive it has no implications on who the current most valuable player in the scene is.
2018-08-17 09:49
Also happy is clearly just as unstable if what you're saying about him is true that he tilted for over a year and didn't try just because he was left out.
2018-08-17 09:52
Not up to their level, that's true. If the nV headquarters kept him for so long, why would he try to impress anyone? That team had slim chances of becoming a top one contender. He played up their expectations. He didn't give up completely and sometimes, they showed some.
2018-08-17 10:00
Why would he try to impress anyone? Because hes on a team getting paid to play the game professionally and if ANYTHING he should want to impress himself. How did he play up to their expectations getting 0 top 4s at big events, they didnt show anything but mediocrity and a clear lack of cohesion.
2018-08-17 10:01
He didn't have to, he did all his contract required him to do and he was giving up his best at that moment in time, it's not like it would be the same in a current G2 lineup, minus Kevin. And the fact he stayed there up to their closure is the efficient proof of the team doing just fine, they didn't put alarms on due to results. Other teams have had similar times.
2018-08-17 10:05
So your logic is because the team didn't disband it was doing fine? Wow thats so naive its ridiculous. Can you name any of these other teams that had as much talent as this lineup and achieved 0 top 4s?
2018-08-17 10:06
Firstly, the talent Happy had to work with, wasn't a match for the G2's roster whose success is well-known. North disappointment is very alike to that of nV, Fnatic's downhill is very similar, NiP's bottom-line existence is all the same. Every team who once relied on a supportive leader has gone through that but the difference is that Happy is 2 in 1. He's a supportive leader and also the carry of his team. The most valuable there could be.
2018-08-17 10:10
It was still enough to make at least ONE top 4 and comparing them to G2 is irrelevant if were talking about happy's value. North is a top 10 team that is only improving, Fnatic made roster changes so they could improve and were still winning tournaments like Katowice. NiP has still won IEM oakland multiple times and made top 4s, none of these teams are even close to as sad as nV was. Happy was never the best individual player on the team maybe 2nd or 3rd and he is not supportive in anyway his leading style is designed around him being the lurker and getting lurk kills due to the success of the entry fraggers.
2018-08-17 10:13
What's this criteria about at least top 4 finish? It's irrelevant. Might as well said finals or anything else. I'm not talking about right now, it's so obvious, North was slumping so bad, as those who are mentioned among them and their downgrade is much greater than nV's, considering they were the best teams for a very long time, star players of which were the best in the world. You seem to fall asleep when reading the most important part.
2018-08-17 10:16
How can you argue that top 4s aren't important they show you were one of the best teams at that tournament and likewise greatly improve the chance of your team getting EVPs. At least those teams had peaks to fall from that nV lineup never did ANYTHING remotely good. Falling from 1 - 8 is in no way worse than being on a squad that should be top 10 and not even being top 20.
2018-08-17 10:18
Why top 4 certainly? Playoffs is just as important? Finals too. Doesn't smell lots of sense here. nV have had its peak too, the highest one there could be and the downhill began with a roster change like with other teams. So it's all irrelevant and doesn't tell anything.
2018-08-17 10:23
Playoffs arent just as important you can win 2 bo1s in groups and be in playoffs in some tournaments top 4 shows you at least won one best of 3 vs another playoff team. And obviously if they have no top4s they have no finals So envyus having 0 deep runs in tournaments doesn't say anything about Happy's leadership? Makes sense.
2018-08-17 10:25
There is a reasoning for it that I have talked about many times already and though they still were capable of winning something once in a while, it was enough to stay contracted. NiP have gone lost completely, Fnatic were tier three at some point. And it doesn't deny capability of neither of those to comeback at certain circumstances which is what I'm talking about and you deny that which is laughable.
2018-08-17 10:29
0 Success at big events though which are the biggest tournaments of the year. Again the logic that staying contracted means the team is doing well is naive, i guess by that logic VP are doing amazing right? I never denied that happy could comeback but the fact that he has to comeback means he cant be considered the best french player currently, case closed.
2018-08-17 10:30
It will be closed when I will agree on it. Happy has proven that he's capable of being the best player from France which he was for a period of time and it tells that he still can be one in certain circumstances that are not hard to reach. Now it's closed.
2018-08-17 10:33
#270
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Sweden s!d_xaxa 
They had fucking sixer and xms. What do you expect them to achieve? Happy was known for his t-sides and envyus was actually good in their t-side. Just have a look at their past matches and see their ct sides, they were freaking terrible, sixer was a 4750 decoy and could barely get one kill let alone stop a rush. You are overestimating scream and rpk, they are too inconsistent .
2018-08-17 10:54
Being the best french player 3 years ago doesnt mean you're the best french player currently, you're literally contradicted yourself by saying that he CAN PROVE that hes still at that level and then saying that he is at that level.
2018-08-17 10:35
I didn't say anything new to make accent on it, I'm repeating myself all the time, he once was the best player, he can still be the one in certain circumstances if he's given the chance. Comprehend.
2018-08-17 10:36
He was once - meaning he currently is not. Thank you I never said that he couldnt be, just that he isn't right now.
2018-08-17 10:37
I'm talking about him being the best player, valuable means slightly different thing. The most valuable player is the one that had the most impact on the team's success, the best player would be the one who's made it work better than others. One could be both though, which he was at one point.
2018-08-17 10:39
At one point he was the best and most valuable player on his team and in the french scene, not anymore for almost 3 years now
2018-08-17 10:41
Which obviously tells us that he still can be one, nothing's changed, he only improved from that point.
2018-08-17 10:42
Dont know how you can say he has only improved when he has shown nothing to support that but yes he CAN still be very valuable but you cant consider him the most valuable player currently if he has to prove it Meanwhile players like KennyS are still maintaining their form and showing they are one of the best players in their role.
2018-08-17 11:03
#10
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Not sure why happy would ruin him or what examples you're talking about. Plenty of people in the scene seem to think zywoo is ready for the higher levels, they say he has a great attitude and respects leadership on peekers advantage and that the French scene should be doing whatever it takes to get him to a top team. Compared him to s1mple but without the toxicity that initially plagued his career.
2018-08-17 01:22
fair enough and your boy happy ruined xms completely like this guy was so good and now look at him, devil was amazing in lower level tier 2 teams and happy ruined his game completely and now he cant even play at that level any more kioshima was also insane and played insane under happy and then he got progressively worse until a good igl called karrigan resurrected his career. not to mention scream who just came out of a year of his career best form and almost instantly started playing like a former shadow of him self in nv and by the way its not a coincidence that after he got out of nv he played amazing and every wesg event he played at with ex6 he also did insane so in short happy is shit at managing players and roles and developing talent and keeping players in good form
2018-08-17 01:32
+1
2018-08-17 01:44
#33
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Devil really? The guy is worse than bodyy simply not skilled enough to be on the best French team. Where even is he now? If he was so insane he should at least be on a lower tier French team working his way back up no way you can blame happy for that. How did he specifically ruin xms though what actions did he take that affected his form? If anything he gave xms an advantage because scream was forced into the support role which yes never should have happened but that team was doomed if they had 0 players that wanted to do that role anyway and they couldn't make roster changes yet because a shuffle was imminent. Kio won a major under the leadership of happy, his style just became outdated and players lost form so the team declined. Also that doesnt explain how happy is going to ruin zywoo if 1 he isnt even IGLing and 2 why would he ever put zywoo in any other role besides star/mid round player.
2018-08-17 03:04
+1
2018-08-17 09:17
devil was a lurk player and looked insane which is why he was picked up by nv he was forced to play entry and all the bitch roles when he was a star player in his previous team he had no idea how to play this and it ruined his game a lot like how snax shox even cold to a degree all these star players taking on the igl role or different roles and can't get back to their previous form due to changing their style so much. Fun fact he was on the same team as body and he looked better than bodyy which is why nv got pick of the best player first and g2 got the second best player but bodyy actuall got put in positions and roles he could play making him not dogshit. the reason why you think he's is cos thats what happy did to his style of play xms was a sick aimer and played good in ldlc with ex6 and should of come in to the fr scene naturally with taking the star player roles in lower level teams building him self up instead he got straight in to nv and happy gave him all the shit spots and and ruined his aim and talent kio is a prime example of happy being unable to manage players and personalities and not actually lead people as you have seen many people under him loose motivation scream shox kio apex kennys and not be able to continue playing with good form there's a reason why you think devil and xms are dogshit its cause happy ruined thier talent when thye could of been soo much better also happy's style isnt that outdated its a free form style that allows players to play the roles they want and happy very much was a players igl at 1 point and gave them what they wanted to do a lot like karrigan and chrisj and a lot of other loooser teams these days but then happy became a cunt and just forces players to do things they just dont want to do
2018-08-17 14:20
Okay so why didn't devil return to the scene on a lower level team and continue lurking? Obviously he was never going to lurk on a team that had happy in it. Like I said scream was forced into a support role xms got the star player role, you cant say he forced them both into bad spots lmao. You cant ruin another players aim that's not how it works. Actual examples of what he did to kio? That's all speculative garbage. Shox and apex just didnt like his leading style, that's it. And shox has had motivation problems his entire career same with Kenny. Sometimes they wanna play sometimes they dont that's why shox has had periods where he looks like the best player in the world and periods where hes just slightly above average. It's not the free skill based style that's outdated it's the constant 4-1 setups that are easy to read that is
2018-08-17 14:38
Okay so why didn't devil return to the scene on a lower level team and continue lurking? Obviously he was never going to lurk on a team that had happy in it. Like I said scream was forced into a support role xms got the star player role, you cant say he forced them both into bad spots lmao. You cant ruin another players aim that's not how it works. Actual examples of what he did to kio? That's all speculative garbage. Shox and apex just didnt like his leading style, that's it. And shox has had motivation problems his entire career same with Kenny. Sometimes they wanna play sometimes they dont that's why shox has had periods where he looks like the best player in the world and periods where hes just slightly above average. It's not the free skill based style that's outdated it's the constant 4-1 setups that are easy to read that is
2018-08-17 23:37
#7
Russia Jovlk 
Wow, Happy will make a great team out of it. My new favorite team if that's true.
2018-08-17 01:21
tier 3
2018-08-17 01:27
50/50... happy... no sry
2018-08-17 01:32
The remaining french shuffle players Vitality NBK Apex Happy Rpk Zywoo LDLC Amanek Devoduvek Scream or Logan Kioshima Xms 3DMax adds sixer
2018-08-17 01:55
Why would 3dmax add sixer?
2018-08-17 07:39
Even tho imo sixer is dogshit he still is a good awper at thier tier and i think eould do well
2018-08-17 22:43
Instead of who? I dont see a player tgat sixee can replace
2018-08-18 07:43
I think sixer should replace JiNKZ or Lucky DavidP,Maka and JACKZ are they best players imo. Both Lucky and JiNKZ are usually bottom fragging. I think sixer could do alot for this team. And if LDLC replace logan then i would pick him up to replace the other. That would make this team a solid t3-2 team like fragsters.
2018-08-18 15:26
#284
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France StickyRice 
With happy and RpK, this Vitality would probably be weaker than this LDLC lul
2018-08-17 23:45
Happy needs to re invente his IGLing. He cant lead. Imo toss happy and bring in Some other frenchie.
2018-08-18 03:08
But nbk will lead not happy wtf ?
2018-08-18 07:44
Happy will most likely lead since he is a dedicated IGL. But i dont see this vitality team going far. I would pick up scream in place of RPK but that wont happen
2018-08-18 15:25
Nbk will lead wtf are you talking about ?
2018-08-18 18:16
No happy is gonna IGL. Why would NBK igl if happy is a dedicated one
2018-08-19 00:41
Cuz nbk said he want to igl and apex and nbk also said they will let him be the igl again and its also said in the report...
2018-08-19 08:02
With ldlc they will have kio igling
2018-08-18 03:08
#25
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Czech Republic WaldhuterHanz 
-happy +kio and maybe -rpk +scream but idk if its gonna make it better
2018-08-17 02:19
Happy is the key for success, removing him is getting back to that old drama.
2018-08-17 02:55
+1
2018-08-17 09:17
Why do you think scream isnt in this team? Not versatile.
2018-08-17 07:40
nbk apex scream happy zywoo could be danger
2018-08-17 04:18
-Heppy +Kio
2018-08-17 04:29
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2018-08-17 04:36
no kio=no good french team
2018-08-17 06:58
lets go zywoo :D
2018-08-17 07:39
no talents in French CS, just give up
2018-08-17 07:44
check your flag haha
2018-08-17 14:09
can be better than G2 shox needs to step up...
2018-08-17 08:23
Look at scream joining g2 after major or even kioshima as well *_* -smitzz -bodyy + scream and kio +smitzz as a coach to keep shox happy
2018-08-17 09:09
i always liked nbk
2018-08-17 08:46
Team is better than G2. And if Happy just frags, he has proved he is top tier.
2018-08-17 08:56
#185
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Belgium subfal 
I like Rpk but Kio is better in this lineup
2018-08-17 09:20
rpk is like 60 years old now. hes gonna be the weakest link, guaranteed.
2018-08-17 10:39
#282
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France StickyRice 
Why the fu*k would NBK and apEX would play with RpK and Happy ? At least if NBKing continues improving as IGL and Happy isn't IGL anymore, why not, but if Happy is the IGL this will be cancer CS as usual.
2018-08-17 23:40
#283
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France StickyRice 
And yeah if it's to get a player, not a leader, i would have kio over RpK or Happy.
2018-08-17 23:40
-RpK +KioShiMa
2018-08-19 08:09
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