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Socialism in USA
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Sweden zerosexiestplayer 
A normalisation of socialism is happening in USA, while most of the people supporting it don't even know what it would mean. They use scandinavian countries in their examples while all scandinavian countries are capitalist, even with a lower corporate tax than the US. What do you guys think this will lead to? Will we see someone like Bernie Sanders as the next US president, and see the most powerful nation on earth destroyed? Or will people understand the greatness and importance of a strong economy and market freedom after Trumps presidency?
2018-08-17 13:15
Are you serious?
2018-08-17 13:16
Give a comment to what I wrote
2018-08-17 13:17
USA is has the most right-wing ruling out of any western country, even the democrats would be considered right wing in most european countries. Socialism is way more spread out in Europe than in the US and it's one of the reasons of Scandinavias economic success in the last 60 years or so. Now lets not confuse democratic socialism with either communism or PC bullshit that so many people do today
2018-08-17 13:20
You need to read it again. I didn't say the US government was socialist, I am talking about the normalisation of socialism among the opposition and their popularity in the entertainment industry. About your comment of Socialism in Europe, what countries in Europe are socialists? There is no socialist countries in neither Scandinavia or western Europe. I'm not talking about communism.
2018-08-17 13:22
I thought we were talking about socialist policies like free schooling, healthcare etc. Not actual pure socialism, because I have no idea what you're talking about if you're saying actual socialism is being normalised in the US, because it's clearly not. Why don't you give me a few examples of your observation so I understand what you're referring to
2018-08-17 13:27
Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Ocasia Cortez would definitely be considered extreme in scandinavia, regarding both the income and the corporate tax policies.
2018-08-17 13:29
Definitely not. They would barely be called left. Socialdemokraterna is more left than sanders on many aspects.
2018-08-17 13:30
The US already has a higher corporate tax than scandinavia, which Bernie wants to make higher. berniesanders.com/the-sanders-corporate-.. This would be bad for business in America, and business is a very big factor in GDP growth.
2018-08-17 13:35
I'm not arguing for Bernie here, he probably doesn't have the solutions needed. The US still have very low income tax and for them to implement more policies that we have in Scandinavia for example would be beneficial for the majority of their people.
2018-08-17 13:43
#68
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Thanks to Trump he dropped it to 24% from 44%. Socialism can work in smaller countries like in Europe(paying 30-40-50% tax while we pay 20% tax) but it would never work here with 300m people and a giant land mass.
2018-08-17 14:45
#74
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France PowwneD 
thanks trump to destroy obamacare who allowed poor people to get cure. Trump is antisocialist and don't help poor an mid-class people. He is a fucking cancer.
2018-08-17 15:10
#75
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United States Trump2020KAG 
U realize in obama care healthy people paid out the ass for insurance to cover the poor and the government poored billions into it every month to keep it going. It would have failed even with out Trump. And btw key word is poor. Get a job get off drugs GET A LIFE don’t have 5 kids by 4 different guys is more a answer to them instead of just giving giving and giving. U can easily live in America Making 500$ a week which is a McDonald’s job.
2018-08-17 15:18
#78
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France PowwneD 
We got this in France since the post WW2 and that's works since this. Everyone contribute to this by the taxes and everyone can have free health care and cure if it is prescripted by a doctor in the limit of the "necessary".
2018-08-17 15:40
#79
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Dude EU is basically socialist. U guys pay 40-50-60% in taxes we pay 20-25% here. U get a job here u don’t need free anything. It’s not like the old days when people would only use government paid assistance cuz they really really needed it. Now it’s a life style it’s a career now. Do u know the real reason y unemployment is at a all time low and record low in blacks Hispanics and 65 year low in women in America. They are afraid. Trump is cutting welfare benefits he cut Obama care hi is cuttting everything that just gives shit to people for free. They are scared. So they get jobs.
2018-08-17 15:50
#84
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France PowwneD 
Lol. Giving the sames opportunities to everyone is the most important in a society. With your system you have to paid 10 000$ a year to study, if you have parents who have money it's ok, but if you don't, you have to work harder. In France everyone can have access to school for free and if you are poor you still have chances to have a job and education. Also you can't see the result of a politic in 1 year, you actually see the result of Obama's politic.
2018-08-17 17:09
#86
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United States Trump2020KAG 
if everyone gets free schooling then a degree means nothing special cuz everyone has one....thats overkill/inflation/production/use etc and that makes it value/worth drop...and as far as price we have thousands of schools that are hella cheap people pay for the name the school itself..the reason people pay 100k a year to go to stanford or yale is cuz thats the school they want..the reason people pay 50k a year to go to penn state florida state michigan etc is cuz they ant that school....and thats a typical lib for u saying so far what trump has done is cuz of obama...get real 8 years of stale no movement in the economy...
2018-08-17 17:38
#165
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Sweden Frothiny 
I pay 31% in taxes and I don't have to worry about school depts or healthcare. We still have prestigious school and they require good grades to get into. Get into the good schools and you have a prestigious degree. You don't have to pay hundreds of thousands to be allowed to get good education, people with any backgorund is allowed to go to the best school if they have the skills and knowledge for it.
2018-08-18 12:49
#167
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United States Trump2020KAG 
come on dude u dont pay 31% tax..im talking ABOUT TOTAL tax u pay...Sweden is one of the highest taxed countries in the world....and yes if u have the skills and knowledge here u can get into the best of the best for free also its called scholarships...The thing is the system that all u small eu countries use works because u are small and have 10 million people..we have more then 10million people living in NYC alone...sweden is about 450k(big country compared to other eu countries) sq km the US is 10m sk km....its easy to for u guys to have better and more updated infrastructure then us we are like 25 times bigger then u not to mention have over 250m more people then u...
2018-08-18 14:16
#173
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Sweden Frothiny 
When you say "total tax I pay" you're talking about how much tax my eployer pays in tax for having me employed. I pay 31% in taxes of what I earn. That is after the tax my employer has already paid I earn ~2500$/month My employer pays ~775$ in taxes (Not deducted from my salary) Out of my salary I pay ~720$ This leaves me with ~1950$ after taxes. Summing it up, It costs my employer ~3300$ to have me employed, I get ~1950$ after taxes. This looks like 60% taxes. But when we get hired and we are told our salary, the cost for the employer to have me and their tax is ignored. So it just says: you earn X, after taxes you have X*0.69 (31% tax)
2018-08-18 16:39
hes talking about real life shit in a country he does not live in whilst being in his parents house. you are wasting your time speaking to a sweedish pussy hat wearing leftist. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP USA USA USA !!!!
2018-08-29 01:29
#232
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United States I_Miss_C9 
So you're saying that a degree serves as a class divider? From reading your post I can only assume that you mean that having a paid university system is necessary to keep poor people poor.
2018-08-30 07:26
#244
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France GAITS 
"if everyone gets free schooling then a degree means nothing special cuz everyone has one." Typical american thinking that education for everyone is a threat and that you can buy knowledge and diplomas. Here's a hint : education is about using your brain, not your dad's credit card
2018-08-30 09:31
#124
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United States onyx824 
I wish it was only 10K a year. And #86 education isn't a competition. There is literally no justification behind having a less educated society. Who cares if a degree becomes less valuable in terms of getting a well paying job. A more educated society is a better society.
2018-08-17 21:42
#168
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United States Trump2020KAG 
if every single person in America had a degree they would be so diluted they wouldn't mean anything...Then everyone would have to get a masters degree to put them a step ahead of the competition...but then every one would get a masters and people would have to get a doctoral and so on and so on...eventually u would have to go to school for 20 years for the diploma to mean anything....like it or not schools are a businesses...if u cant afford it the community collage is the thing for u which cost basically nothing
2018-08-18 14:21
#216
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United States Acehavok 
That's not how it works m8. Just because more people would have degrees does not mean the skills are then useless. It also does not mean EVERYONE will go to college, it doesn't make it mandatory. You're being to simple minded and not looking at it big picture and long term, as do most conservatives. We genuinely need a shit ton more 1 and 2 year tradesmen. But the people who would typically be good fits for these careers (people who would normally go from high school straight to a job) do not have the income/support needed to go to college.
2018-08-30 06:32
$500 a week for working at McDonalds? lmfao no, that's a minimum wage job, they'll earn about $320 a week which translates roughly to $16.6k a year which is literally just above the poverty line. that's not "easily living" in the US and that's assuming a person at McDonalds can manage to have 8 hour shifts 5 days a week with no off days
2018-08-17 19:26
#157
sakula | 
Other kaiske 
"5 days a week with no off days" you know there is 7 days in a week right?
2018-08-18 04:22
by off days i mean holidays and vacation
2018-08-18 04:46
#160
sakula | 
Other kaiske 
that's 2 days vacation every week
2018-08-18 04:48
I think u have misunderstood what vacation is
2018-08-18 14:48
#245
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France GAITS 
It's called week-end. You know, theses days of the week were you're allowed to spend time with your friends and family, learn things or do whatever you want. Anyone with a bit of dignity can have it.
2018-08-30 09:35
Your country must be a hole if you don't get offered paid vacation each year by your employee (presuming you're employed full-time/38 hours per week)
2018-08-30 02:26
even poverty in this great country is still living at higher standards than alot of other countries. still have hot running water and heat is the law in cold states nevermind the additional benefits they get for being "low income" yet they drive a sixty thousand dollar car.
2018-08-29 01:32
a sixty thousand dollar car that they won't pay off for 15 years that will be worth not even half of that afterwards lol
2018-08-29 01:46
if you're purchasing a 60,000 dollar car on a high interest car loan that's going to take 15 years to repay then the joke's on him lol. worst investment. car depreciates in value like no tomorrow
2018-08-31 18:09
I think that's normal considering in Australia you could be making 800 a week + working full time at McDonalds as an adult easily...
2018-08-30 02:22
australia isn't the US.
2018-08-30 06:09
if you look at the bigger picture it kinda is. both are capitalistic countries. socialists/lefties fall behind cause they rely. the great thing about capitalism is you can make/earn as much as you wish. it all depends on you as an individual :)
2018-08-31 18:07
#217
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United States Acehavok 
Your minimum wage is actually livable. U.S. is $7.25, most non skilled jobs will start you out at $8-10 (unless you live in a state that has a higher minimum wage.
2018-08-30 06:37
Idk about easily, but if you are smart with your spendings and you do not have 4 kids you can live off that.
2018-08-17 21:42
The US government is the largest: employer, consumer, landlord, tenant, lender and borrower. Not even counting the armies of regulators and libraries of regulation. That controls the means to production-that is not free market capitalism. Socialism, communism, Stalinism, Maoism, Leninism, Marixsm-pick one- not even counting the eye shattering debt thanks to giant government epic fail liberal socialism. Or that amongst the largest shareholders of stock are government pension funds. But it's free!!!! It has only cost the human race dearly in leading edge technology to prop up it's free lagging edge highly inefficient and corrupt government.
2018-08-17 19:20
What does this have to do with anything? Of course the US is the largest employer etc in your country. That goes for every country.
2018-08-17 20:33
Economic systems are defined by who controls the means to production. In every economy in the world the answer is GOVERNMENT. That is not capitalism unless buy into the idiocy of something the liberal morons invented to shame capitalism called state capitalism which is just another name for socialism.
2018-08-17 21:13
Yes everything is socialism and capitalism doesn't exist :^))))) idiot. All countries (with like 1 exception) are a mix of both elements. The US has more capitalist elements than European countries, hence the working and mid class has it worse.
2018-08-17 21:16
Nothing like the fanatically brain dead big government promoting liberal socialist. No matter the epic fail whether it is the eye shattering debt or the haven't produced anything state of the art in medical care in 40yrs on the entire Euro continent. it is better!!!!
2018-08-17 21:23
Are you serious? Are you talking about European debt as an American? xDDDD Also about half of all drugs developed in the last 40 years come from European pharmaceutical companies.
2018-08-17 21:31
Also no-the US invented the multi billion bio tech industry. and BAyer's largest revenue item is still aspirin since 1930. But it is fun to play make pretend.
2018-08-17 21:36
Novo Nordisk is THE leading in diabetes drugs Astra Zeneca made Omeprazole (that became one of the most used drugs) and like 20 other drugs Sanofi also made a whole long list of drugs in the last 40 years I can continue if you want to. We have Merck, Roche, Novartis etc etc
2018-08-17 21:41
#218
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United States Acehavok 
You realize your cuckservatives in office just blew up the deficit with their tax cut without cutting any programs and the military budget has increased over $100B since Trump has taken office. So don't even complain about the deficit. A Democrat will win in 2020 and you'll immediately pin the deficit on him/her.
2018-08-30 06:42
Are you fucking kidding me? Every country in Europe is socialist. Why Sweden is not socialist?
2018-08-17 13:42
Every country in Europe is capitalist. Having welfare is not being socialist. To socialism, state influence and state ownership is a big part, which may in the end lead to communism and dictatorship.
2018-08-17 13:44
So what is capitalist and what is socialist?
2018-08-17 13:46
Market freedom, based on private ownership and production. Where everyone can start their own company, or get employed in any company, without state control or ownership.
2018-08-17 13:47
I can't do this in Poland without state control. So my country isn't capitalist. Do you know who is Frederic Bastiat?
2018-08-17 13:50
How is there market freedom when the government is the largest economic everything in an economy? That's not free market anything. It is highly contrived central planning giant government pick a name just don't use the word free in it.
2018-08-17 19:24
>Market freedom Yea? Try to open private power plant or build wind turbine to make energy without government permision. >private ownership if you find Oil on your property gov will steal it and give you money only for property(land and house).
2018-08-17 19:36
soon youll be sharia law and go back to living in caves with the rest of the middles east you all invited in
2018-08-29 01:35
If you are not talking about communism, why do you oppose socialism and capitalism?
2018-08-17 15:01
You dont understand yhe concept of socialism. It does not oppose a kapitalist economy.
2018-08-18 14:21
#98
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Europe deVulse 
"USA is has the most right-wing" stoped reading here
2018-08-17 19:45
How is it not? Name a more capitalistic country in the western world
2018-08-17 20:34
#156
sakula | 
Other kaiske 
Switzerland
2018-08-18 04:20
I wouldn't say more, but definitely about the same level, true
2018-08-18 14:52
shows your fucking oblivious to shit even right next door to you . and talking shit about a country that will eventually bail you out when the migrants you are all so happy to bring in take over your country and rape your women and goats.
2018-08-29 01:37
Retard confirmed.
2018-08-30 02:03
#114
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Brazil MohammadBR 
It's true lol, did you never goto school?
2018-08-17 21:24
I just wanna say that real communism has never really been in play, or maybe just for a split-second and then greed took over and made those states totalitarian, real communism would probably never work on a grand scale.
2018-08-17 21:58
Correct, however, irrelevant
2018-08-17 22:09
Irrelevant to this discussion i know, i just wanted to say it for some reason.
2018-08-18 01:16
Don't come here thinking you know some shit when you're still discussing elections and politics, its theater ffs. You need to live 16 years to realize its a joke.
2018-08-17 13:21
This, the only way you could achieve meaningful change in the USA today is through a violent revolution
2018-08-17 13:20
#155
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Australia AU_CS_LUL 
Unironic +1
2018-08-18 04:18
True, big change never comes through elections. ESPECIALLY not in the US with their two-party system and extreme lobbying
2018-08-17 13:21
#240
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United States Acehavok 
Money is the biggest problem, if we cut out all PAC money and only allowed small individual donations, the country could be practically heaven in 10 years. Both parties are bought out, rarely do what's best for the average American.
2018-08-30 07:45
As I said.
2018-08-30 12:09
+1
2018-08-17 13:40
Strong economy and Trump? 10% bump to national debt and give it to rich people in tax cuts :D Poor people and middle class are getting ass raped there. They should go for the same socioeconomic model that made America great after WWII.
2018-08-17 13:20
With the continued rise in GDP faster than the debt, the debt will go down. Its just a matter of time. And the unemployment rates are low, and the middleclass living standard have stayed pretty much the same as previously. Which statistics do you go by?
2018-08-17 13:26
GDP is rising in every country right now. That just means the world economy is doing well right now. Let's see what country will get hit the hardest next time the market crashes.
2018-08-17 13:29
Probably not the US, as their dependency on imported goods drop. Why would they get hit harder than any other in your thoughts?
2018-08-17 13:32
Purely an observation based on historical results. Another thing you seem to confuse is how well the actual people are doing there, not just the big corporations. GDP per capita only tells very little about how the working class and middle class lives are affected and that's what really matters
2018-08-17 13:36
I see. What is your observation on how the working- and middleclass is doing compared to before?
2018-08-17 13:38
In historical financial crisises? Well 3,6 million lost their jobs in 2008 due the market crash. Or in general? 75% of the population has barely had any salary increase since the 60s when adjusted for inflation. While the top 25% has pretty much doubled and the for the top 5% almost trippled. advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2..
2018-08-17 13:53
and yet the poverty stricken in the US on avg own homes, cars and are obese to boot or live better than the working class just about everywhere and royalty in some places. It is very important to not just look at the GDP and see how the people are actually doing. Which in general is the poor and rich are doing awesome and the middle class is vanishing. That would be because the middle class is the one really footing the bill for all of this insane government. The wealthy pay a lot but it sure doesn't effect their lifestyle-the poor have nothing to pay. It is very important to look beyond the GDP and see how people are actually doing.
2018-08-17 19:35
Are you completely delusional? Your mid and low class definitely doesn't have it better than the ones in other western countries, far from.
2018-08-17 20:59
Let's compare- US poverty on avg 990sq ft 3br 1 1/2 ba Euro working class avg 660sq ft apartment US poverty on avg owns 1.5 cars Euro working class .5 car and three bikes US poverty is on avg obese Euro working class is not. WE can include cheaper access to calories-US poverty has had free healthcare since 1967 and of course it is better than Euro state run haven't advanced global healthcare in 40yrs crappolla. Seems really, really far from it. This is 100% government stats or the WHO via search- purposeful ignorance is not an excuse.
2018-08-17 21:09
That was one of the most stupid comparisons I've seen. For real. Number of cars and size of residence says nothing about quality of life, or wealth. It just says something about priorities. In a european city you can live without a car, must like you can live without a car if you live in down town New York or Chicago. The obesity comparison is even more ridicolous. Mexico has a higher obesity rate than the US, so they must be an even more prosperous according to your flawed logic
2018-08-17 21:22
Good rebuttal-you posted exactly nothing better for the working euro over the US poverty stricken. Exactly! Priorities-if the US wants free healthcare-they can sell a car and move into a smaller home and voila suddenly they could pay for their own free healthcare and still have it better than the working euro.
2018-08-17 21:27
#133
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Denmark ardes 
"pay for their own free healthcare" lmao
2018-08-17 22:58
access to calories is a standard barometer of wealth if you want to pervert that to Mexico is a ultra wealthy-go right ahead- pretty much shows the ignorance of the topic that you chose to lecture others about. BOL with your future it is one where you will be working a government or a company who's biggest customer is the government while you tell your relations we're capitalists!
2018-08-17 21:33
I like you, you are smart.
2018-08-18 14:26
#162
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Argentina YH!one 
Argentina road to default again like 2001 :(
2018-08-18 05:42
The avg global budget is now paying 12% to interest. Japan is paying 28% of it's budget for interest alone. Not current governance-but just for interest. Nope-this eye shattering debt will never be paid off and will be a drag to anyone's upward mobility into infinity. Taxation, regulation and inflation are the three horsemen of the protect the uber wealthy and insure the rest have a very tough time getting uber wealthy. Just mind numbing how the ultra wealtjy ruling class has convinced so many giant government liberal socialism is there for them-when the reality happens to be it is there to insure the ultra wealthy ruling class remains the ultra wealthy ruling class.
2018-08-17 19:29
+1 and his tariffs are raping US ecomony and rest of the world. pointless shit.
2018-08-17 13:26
The tariffs are no more, though.
2018-08-17 13:30
the tariffs againt EU yes. going back to the status quo is considered a success in trumps wicked mind. but he threatens more tariffs on china and turkey. he is a mad man. 100 years ago people learned that tariffs and trade wars have no winners only losers. trump didnt get that memo :)
2018-08-17 13:40
#50
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United States PsychoLogical 
Let him do what he wants, he'll likely do more bad than good in his last 2 years of presidency.
2018-08-17 13:57
you are probably right :(
2018-08-17 13:59
#55
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United States PsychoLogical 
Not like it matters anyway, no foreigner would genuinely like the US .
2018-08-17 14:14
I am not from Murica but I like Murica. I watch Stephen Colbert every day :)
2018-08-17 14:15
#58
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United States PsychoLogical 
When I mean genuinely, I mean like the country, not the shit we have or created.
2018-08-17 14:16
I planed to move to the US for a couple of years cuz I really wanna go there and I am convinced its a great country. but I got a very good job in Europe so I stayed here.
2018-08-17 14:19
#61
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United States PsychoLogical 
I think you'll be happier in Europe than over here in the US.
2018-08-17 14:20
here its fucking cold like 8 months a year. I image California being pretty dope! but maybe thats just wishful thinking
2018-08-17 14:21
#63
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United States PsychoLogical 
Unfortunately California isnt really what you would picture, sure its home to many celebrities and big companies like Youtube and Blizzard, but it burns over there as the West Coast and its neighbors can reach around over 35 C which isnt a pleasant temperature for you euros, and it is considered a shithole with the highest poverty rate in the US etc.
2018-08-17 14:25
oh no :(
2018-08-17 14:26
SF has nice year round temperatures but is expensive af and as a result has a massive homeless population
2018-08-17 15:56
thats sad
2018-08-17 18:40
#234
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United States Acehavok 
California is only nice if you make good money. You're not going to have a great time without a degree or owning a business.
2018-08-30 07:35
Yes learn your politics from a shitty comedian I understand why you are so retarded
2018-08-17 19:23
typical murica red neck low life. didnt read a book in your entire life. pls dont get kids, would be a waste for mankind!
2018-08-17 20:57
#235
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United States Acehavok 
And where did you learn yours exactly?
2018-08-30 07:35
#69
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United States Trump2020KAG 
U have no idea what u are talking about. Do u realize that a person who makes 1k$ a week will get s smaller amount back then someone who makes 2k$ a week right. EVERYONE GOT A TAX BREAK. If u make more money u get more back. Can u comprehend how this action takes place and works????????
2018-08-17 14:50
Yes. Rich people got a permanent tax break and poor people did not. Read history and find out how the great America was built, and how it was ruined with tax cuts for rich people and fighting stupid wars after Korea.
2018-08-17 15:05
#73
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Ok and do u realize rick people pay 90% of the taxes here. Do u realize the American government takes in over 900billion a month in fed taxes. I make good money around 2k$ a week. I pay around 400-500 a week in taxes on that that’s 2k$ a month I give the government. They take in 900BILLION A MONTH. Do u see my point? America cannot continue as a country with out the rich people and our giant companies paying taxes every week. THEY DESERVE TAX BREAK
2018-08-17 15:10
Why? Rich people have like 1000times as much as theyll ever need or spend. You can tax them like hell and it makes no difference to their lives. So your answer is to take a loan so that you can lower taxes on people who already have everything they and their children will need in 15-40 generations? Why have free university education or free health care when you can have 1-2% less taxes for the rich.
2018-08-17 19:09
Ahhh, I see now. I just replied to your other comment but it all makes sense now. You are not only incredibly ignorant and stupid, but you are also a poorfag HAHA. Keep crying about "rich" people and defending political stances that defy all logic and reason. You only defend them out of desperate denial because you are so poor and too lazy to learn even the most basics of economics. Anyways, thanks for the laugh. Have fun being poor lmfao.
2018-08-17 21:17
When you cant find anything to counter, you just shut up. You are not an a mission to make everyone aware how stupid and ignorant you are. USA is going to shit because you educate the wrong people. Intelligent people should fill the Universities, not retards with rich parents. Retard with university education is still a retard.
2018-08-17 22:29
#130
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United States Trump2020KAG 
i understand thy are rich and have alot of money..does that mean they have to give it all away?????? sound like punishment for being successful which also sounds like communism to me.....
2018-08-17 22:31
But taking national debt to fill their pockets is ok?
2018-08-17 22:37
#132
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United States Trump2020KAG 
debt is nothing u know every single country is in debt including them so called small rich EU countries like Belgium swis lux swed etc.....btw what country are u from Mr Europe flag???
2018-08-17 22:39
#153
sakula | 
Other kaiske 
Norway doesn't, like most oil countries
2018-08-18 04:11
But most countries take debt to raise the level of living to all people. USA takes debt to cut taxes for the megarich while people live in poverty. You constantly spit out ridiculous shit like the attack ad against Denmark, so that retards in USA would continue to believe that your system is best.
2018-08-18 12:41
#166
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United States Trump2020KAG 
our system is 20 trillion$ gdp so yea id say we have the best system... Denmark another EXTREMELY high taxed country..In America its not about getting everything handed to u its about working for it...in America even poor people have cars...like i said before if u dont have drug habits or have 2-3-4 kids u can easily live off 300-500$ a week and if u live with a roommate/gf its even easier...Thats not including big cities cuz u wont be able to afford that(cities run by libs btw) only the lazy need help from the government or druggies or multiple kids...
2018-08-18 14:06
But people have better lives in Denmark. You are like a good little communist, you believe in a shit system when all facts are against you.
2018-08-18 18:12
#177
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United States Trump2020KAG 
its much more expensive to live in Denmark then it is the US....U guys may have a slightly larger avg yearly salary but when u take in effect the cost of living and the taxes u pay it adds up to alot more then what a American makes yearly averaged out numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_co.. nice Denmark in the red and 11 of top 20 r Europe btw US ranks 2nd in highest salaries gazettereview.com/2016/04/top-10-countri.. btw this isnt a discussion/or me trying to prove America is better its simply about how socialism would never and will never work in the US
2018-08-18 20:32
But Denmark is not socialist. Socialism has never worked anywhere. Last time I checked taxes are quite close in NYC to what we have in Scandinavia. But here you get something in return because the taxes dont go to stupid shit like for profit prisons and judicial systems. You spend twice as much on healthcare per capita and dont even have universal healthcare. Id rather pay taxes for that poor children can get good health care are education than put people to jail for 25years for selling weed. And other stuff :D 15€ per month for unlimited 4G internet @20Mbps, 10€ more for max speed. 100Mbps broadband 20€:s. You are getting fucked by corporations and believe the ridiculous shit pushed by fake news like Fox.
2018-08-18 23:15
#186
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United States Trump2020KAG 
NYC is a state tax....all the big cities r like that because they are all run by Democrats and in NYC like SF and so on u get free stuff...free needles to shoot heroin free methadone if u have no heroin free food and shelters to stay at....34% of the people who dont work(no need to with what they get paid) get paid housing(NYC one of the most expensive places to live in the world) paid for food electricity transportation health care schooling alllll paid for no to mention the best one of all CASH assistance they give u actual cash
2018-08-18 23:30
So its cheaper to put addicts in prison? Costs what? 30k per year? 2,5million inmates makes like 200 billion per year :D
2018-08-19 14:10
#189
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United States Trump2020KAG 
And employees some 800k men n women with a very very good job. Yes it works my friend u are correct
2018-08-19 14:37
Very good job :D Make 8d per hour while companies make profits in billions :D
2018-08-19 20:27
#238
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United States Acehavok 
You're arguing with a retard, I apologize for my fellow American who's brainwashed by Fox News.
2018-08-30 07:40
National debt is not a bad thing. If you are comparing national debt of a government to personal debt (which you are), then you are grossly miseducated or just ignorant on the topic. I would highly advise you to gain any minimal amount of knowledge on the subject before speaking so definitely on it. Also, literally anyone working full-time is now paying lower taxes, not to mention the millions of workers who got bonuses from their employers as a result of the lower corporate tax.
2018-08-17 21:13
#154
sakula | 
Other kaiske 
Your taxes are paying at interest, printing money to bailout corporations with securities no actual people want to buy becuase it's shitty, 0.5% reserves banks lend out to multiply money and devalue your currency with 10% inflation. Government defaults on debt all the time to people and you are paying for it through inflation.
2018-08-18 04:15
socialism in usa is non existant, what you have is fascists and rainbow coloured fascists. and bernie sanders. who's that again?
2018-08-17 13:40
rainbow coloured fascists? LUL
2018-08-17 13:41
There is a movement. Look at political views among the younger generations. That is the future they are facing.
2018-08-17 13:42
you better not be talking about blacklivesmatter and metoo
2018-08-17 13:48
I'm talking about socialism, why did you bring those to the discussion?
2018-08-17 13:49
what movement is there? a disorganized mass with no real political perspective, ready to be fucked in the ass by oprah in the next election? "socialism", right.
2018-08-17 13:51
Generation z is going to be the most conservative generation since before the baby boomers. We are going to make America great again and rid it of the cancer that millennials brought! No more homos, no more multiculturalism, no more communism!
2018-08-17 19:51
#231
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United States Acehavok 
... Yet we (generation Z) have the highest percentage rate of support for gay marriage... So tell me how that somehow changes in 20 years.
2018-08-30 07:26
#25
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Europe loonek4 
there's no socialism in usa in any form
2018-08-17 13:41
I never said so. I'm talking about the future, read it again.
2018-08-17 13:42
#35
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Europe loonek4 
neither is deomcratic party nor bernie and usa isn't going in any way to the left
2018-08-17 13:45
#137
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
tbf there is social democracy and democratic socialism
2018-08-18 01:21
#161
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Europe loonek4 
welfare state is not socialism
2018-08-18 05:24
#178
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
Welfare state + free college + universal healthcare = socialist values
2018-08-18 21:04
#185
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Europe loonek4 
You're describing social democracy. Socialism is social ownership of the means of production. Social ownership can include common ownership, state ownership or collective ownership. "Socialism" can also refer to an intermediate and transitional form of society between capitalism and communism featuring a Dictatorship of the Proletariat
2018-08-18 23:29
#193
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
That is indeed what core socialism is about. But socialist VALUES are things like a better welfare state, workers' rights, union rights, etc...
2018-08-24 00:41
#30
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Israel onyango 
Real socialism hasnt been tested in the USA yet.
2018-08-17 13:42
Never said so.
2018-08-17 13:42
#44
Sweden PPH 
hahahah when will you guys implement it?
2018-08-17 13:52
#56
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Israel onyango 
when my man bernie overthrows corrupt hillary next US election.
2018-08-17 14:14
#230
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United States Acehavok 
Bernie isn't real socialism, and Hillary isn't running for office.
2018-08-30 07:23
#247
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Israel onyango 
2020 will be her turn.
2018-08-30 11:33
#45
Sweden PPH 
I want to see Trotsky 2.0 in USA
2018-08-17 13:52
Socialist aspects in the US began with the New Deal. The US may not have free healthcare but is one of the countries on Earth that spends most in welfare and public works. People are blind.
2018-08-17 13:44
#37
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Sweden Trkmag 
This is a very weak bait
2018-08-17 13:45
#38
SpawN | 
Mexico <3 Zetas 
Americans hate socialism ! Bernie Sanders is an idiota
2018-08-17 13:45
#229
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United States Acehavok 
But we don't hate socialist policies... Now even a majority of Republicans want single payer health care.
2018-08-30 07:22
#47
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United States Rambeard 
Democratic socialism, which Bernie is, can work in the US as it has in the past. Straight socialism would be a mistake.
2018-08-17 13:54
#51
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United States PsychoLogical 
But unfortunately alot of people are so brainwashed, they think any socialism is the same.
2018-08-17 13:58
You are brainwashed my friend, any form of socialism sucks, how many countries need to fall to you see it? maybe stop playing csgo and study a bit
2018-08-17 15:19
#77
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United States PsychoLogical 
lmao I'm far from brainwashed
2018-08-17 15:33
Democratic socialism is the economic form of pretty much the entire first world and as the U.S continues to fall the rest of the world gets stronger.
2018-08-17 15:57
#138
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
This is so true, but people in the US, UK, and Europe in general, seem to still think that socialism just means starvation and "Venezuela". Besides, key values held by democratic socialists are already favoured by the majority in the US, such as universal healthcare. For me, this graph says it all really - i.imgur.com/NSceiqQ.jpg.
2018-08-18 01:23
#202
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Germany maestroCS 
I think you're confusing democratic socialism and social democracy. Democratic Socialism is still Socialism. David Pakman explains it pretty good I think: youtube.com/watch?v=oE3ou2_EQp4
2018-08-29 01:31
#228
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United States Acehavok 
You're from Japan you literally have a Universal Healthcare system... Which is a social policy... Has Japan fallen? I mean besides from our nukes.
2018-08-30 07:20
We are a capitalist country, open to market (30º in the global rank of the free market). Healthcare or any social policy doesn't mean that socialism is good xD. we can have it cuz our private sector are free to make money, get richer. what I'm trying to say is, you can have any social policy you want, but free market is the key to have it, to make money and progress. JP debts are huge, and our population is a bit old, i think this are our main problems. i wish you good luck! need to work <3 Cheers
2018-08-30 09:21
Way too many soy boys with the right to vote.
2018-08-17 13:56
#139
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
"They disagree with me so they shouldn't have the right to vote."
2018-08-18 01:23
No. They are destroying whole civilizations.
2018-08-18 08:29
#179
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
Palpably false, please provide some evidence.
2018-08-18 21:04
just have a look at london, birmingham, slough and much more in your country, that should be enough evidence for you
2018-08-19 21:13
#192
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
Been to all those cities. Can confirm - they're fine.
2018-08-24 00:40
you will burn in hell for your lies and manipulation
2018-08-29 00:15
#198
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
sweet
2018-08-29 01:17
#49
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Russia deadforest 
>Scandinavian countries are capitalists; Lower taxes than USA's >pick one.
2018-08-17 13:56
pick one
2018-08-18 18:14
#180
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
Norway has a lower tax rate than the US lol
2018-08-18 21:05
sanders is not a socialist. he has social policies, yes. he says free healthcare and education. what is wrong with that? america already has social policies, if it was pure capitalism firefighters would charge money for saving you. Sanders wants a more social state that is all. If he wanted pure socialism, he would attack free market and would say state should own everything which isnt his deal.
2018-08-17 14:03
#205
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Germany maestroCS 
+1 finally somebody with a brain
2018-08-29 01:33
#226
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United States Acehavok 
+1 smart boi
2018-08-30 07:16
We can't tell apart capitalism from socialism anymore. It's all welfare state / social democracy. USSR won the cold war by playing chess games with our minds.
2018-08-17 14:05
It's all about making people work their asses off for the elite. The model is merely the mean to meet this goal.
2018-08-17 14:20
Believing US economy is strong, is a sure sign you have major gaps in your understanding of world economics. A country like China could pull the plug on US (bankrupt them), whilst the opposite isn't the case. But as US is a very important trade partner, pulling the plug, cashing in on the debt, would be a financial risk. US is also highly dependant on the petro-dollar (nations investing in dollars, to trade oil.) Ghadaffi was about to introduce gold dinar to other middle eastern nations. This is why he was heavily targeted by the US, everything else you heard is pure rubbish. If he had succeeded, nations would swap dollars with gold dinars, instantly bankrupting US. People aren't very well informed by the modern mass medias, that is for sure.
2018-08-17 14:31
+1 People here don't understand were just gonna keep falling if we stay the same.
2018-08-17 15:59
Communism and Socialism always failed, this will never work, this only works in the first years. It is like a drug you have joy in the beginning, but later u see the consequences
2018-08-17 14:36
#67
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United States Trump2020KAG 
It will never happen. Not even far left/left libs support them. They may win in some large cities that have hipster antifa dbag that know nothing but will never win anything major.
2018-08-17 14:40
#140
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
Bernie Sanders promotes democratic socialism (well, really social democracy), not pure socialism. Here's a fact - the left does (and at an increasing rate) support these ideas, as do most working class people and a lot of people in states which overwhelmingly voted for Trump.
2018-08-18 01:26
#145
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United States Trump2020KAG 
look up Ocasio-Cortez and see what a Bernie/antifa looks like
2018-08-18 01:33
#146
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
I have, and they have good ideas. Antifa>Nazis any day, buster.
2018-08-18 01:33
#147
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United States Trump2020KAG 
and u think it will work in a country with 300million people not even close and antifa r the real scum
2018-08-18 01:35
#148
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
You're not even speaking English at this point.
2018-08-18 01:55
#149
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United States Trump2020KAG 
kk
2018-08-18 01:56
#225
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United States Acehavok 
Medicare for all would literally save us all money. A living wage, it not a free welfare check, you still have to work to get it. And free college, investing in the future to draw in more money. Wow how unrealistic and unattainable... Even though pretty much every developed nation does these 3 things.
2018-08-30 07:15
#72
L.K.S | 
Brazil Exfm 
There are many socialists owning iphones in the USA Lmao
2018-08-17 15:09
#108
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Brazil mathellsmelo 
+1
2018-08-17 21:16
#141
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
Possibly the most stupid argument against socialism. The same logic dictates that all who support socialism should starve rather than purchase food. pbs.twimg.com/media/DNBWPr6UMAEwuaw.jpg
2018-08-18 01:29
#224
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United States Acehavok 
+1 good comic strip
2018-08-30 07:12
#83
NEO | 
Poland Lukasz88 
no shit sherlock capitalism in USA ended in 1890 with sehrman act, Just look at Roosevelt executive order 6102 or Kennedyminimal wage shit which raised unemployment very hard in black community xD pure communism
2018-08-17 16:17
#142
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
The Sherman Antitrust Act was reinterpreted in 1896 (in re Debs) to be against Labour Unions - it's not communist at all lmao
2018-08-18 01:30
#85
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United States TriHardSeven 
Bernie Sanders isn't even a socialist or democratic socialist, he's simply a social democrat.
2018-08-17 17:14
he calls himself democratic socialist and democratic socialism = socialism
2018-08-17 21:24
#209
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Germany maestroCS 
correct, but just because he calls himself a socdem doesn't mean he actually is one. He has the same problems most americans have: They don't know what Socialism is. Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist, he doesn't scream for the abolishment of the free market or capitalism. He's a SocDem, he is in favor of a capitalist system with welfare, some state industry (healthcare, education) etc.
2018-08-29 01:38
#223
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United States Acehavok 
The moment he labeled himself a Democratic Socialist was a mistake and a misunderstanding by him. Now most people and politicians who call themselves that are really Social Democrats, but now the ideology is kind of stuck to the wrong label. When have you ever heard hims say he wants to abolish private businesses, besides Health Insurance companies and private prison companies?
2018-08-30 07:09
The kind of socialism you are discussing is only favored by the same people who glorify the USSR. They will never get anywhere in this country.
2018-08-17 19:42
#97
dennis | 
Denmark nalleB 
Socialism /=/ limited social reforms.
2018-08-17 19:43
#222
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United States Acehavok 
+1
2018-08-30 07:05
#99
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Europe deVulse 
+1 Glad to see a Swede who actually has a brain and uses it cuz unfortunately most of you guys are brainwashed, mentally ill Leftists...
2018-08-17 19:47
didn't read, Trump 2020
2018-08-17 21:23
#143
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
Sums up Trump supporters lol
2018-08-18 01:30
Good to see a real Swede who does not think like a swedistanian!
2018-08-17 21:28
#127
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United States n3h 
Ill vote for bernie just to get marijauana legal xD If he was against trump he would of won the first election. If redid eleciton id still vote Trump over Hillary. She did some fuckery to get in that spot over bernie.
2018-08-17 22:17
#135
s1mple | 
Brazil wolfff 
but marijuana is legal in many states
2018-08-17 23:22
#150
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United States n3h 
not in mine obv :(
2018-08-18 03:17
#151
s1mple | 
Brazil wolfff 
but can't you just buy from those states? or live too far
2018-08-18 03:34
#158
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United States n3h 
Get a felony for brining it back to my state.
2018-08-18 04:24
Oh god thought i finally got rid of this whole socialism topic after fake news fox comparing us to venezuela and our insane amount of cup cake stores lul xD The nordic model is the best model.. !
2018-08-17 23:11
#144
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United Kingdom Brumafriend 
+1
2018-08-18 01:31
Anglo-Saxon model is the best mate. Why make hard working people pay for the welfare of people who don't work at all. What a joke!
2018-08-18 21:08
Because thats the way of a healthy country... the amount who dont work at all is 30% in denmark and most of those got health issues that makes them unable to work.. so we down to around 10% sure its alot but wud u rather have them run around killing, stealing and robbing ppl? to survive? Look at how it is in the US.. exactly nobody want a country like that. Insane amount of killings... insane amount of homeless ppl.. insane amount of robberies. Those 4%? homeless ppl we got is ppl who decided they wanted to be homeless.. lets look at the homeless ppl in the US if they decided that, my guess is that they didnt. Becoming the safest, happiest and least corrupt country in the world wud never have happened if our country had been run like in the US.
2018-08-18 22:20
I'm not really worried about what happens in the rundown areas. I live in a white segregated area because my parents made the choice to study and work hard.
2018-08-19 00:17
#221
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United States Acehavok 
You're AIDS kid.
2018-08-30 07:03
Denmark: Lower salaries than in USA Higher prices than in usa Higher taces than in USA
2018-08-30 07:41
Lower salaries in denmark? lul but i guess i already know where u got those numbers but even if we say they are correct its close to identical but the sad part is that its the rich part that makes it go that high and not bcus there is alot of ppl in the U.S that actually makes as much as danes.. and thats the problem with taking averages... u got extremely poor ppl and extremely rich ppl and some middle class ppl but in denmark we dont have extremely poor ppl nor extremely rich ppl just a bunch of ppl having a pretty good salary Higher prices yes.. Higher taxes yes because u get more out of it and the country get more out of it.
2018-08-30 23:17
I know and as i said averages like that is insanely flawed... its pretty much the rich ppl pulling those numbers up which as i said give a pretty flawed picture of salary for the average person. Anyway u make it sound like high taxes is a bad thing when its not but oh well so many clue less ppl...
2018-08-31 12:30
#152
sakula | 
Other kaiske 
USA more like USSA, it already is a communist shithole State enforced monopolies and extreme welfare, just that the welfare goes military, agriculture, energy, pharmaceuticals. Trillions of USD is given to select industry by their government, state controlled economy the only word for it is communism.
2018-08-18 03:54
Have you ever actually been in America? lol
2018-08-29 00:20
Facts about a so-called "socialist" country.... State of the economy? - Danish GDP growth has increased gradually in recent years (2.1 pct. in 2017). - Unemployment is low (3.9 pct. June 2018). Surpluses on the balance of payments, central government finances and government budget balance. - Debt reduced to 36.4 pct. of GDP in 2017. Substantially lower than in USA. Inflation is low and stable (1.1 pct. in 2017). Open for Business? - According to U.S. News and their ranking: “Open for Business – These marketoriented countries are a haven for capitalists and corporations”, Denmark ranks as number 4 in the world. The US ranks as number 43. - Denmark is number 7 on Forbes Best Countries for Business list. The US is number 12. - The latest World Bank's ranking of ease of doing business has Denmark as number 3 worldwide and number 1 in Europe. The US is number 6. Innovation? - Denmark is consistently in the top 10 of most innovative countries in the world together with the US. See e.g. 2018 Bloomberg Innovation Index, the World Economic Forum’s latest Global Competitiveness Index, and the Global innovation index of 2018 published by Cornell University, INSEAD business school, and the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). - The European Commission ranks Denmark number 1 in the European Union in terms of digital economy. Education and Human Capital? - Denmark is in the top 5 on World Economic Forum’s latest Human Capital Index together with the US – defined as the knowledge and skills people possess that enable them to create value in the global economic system. - Denmark is in top 10 in U.S. News about Best countries for Education. - Denmark is ranked 2 in the world when it comes to attracting, developing and retaining top talent by the IMD Business School. The US is ranked 16. Economic Freedom? - In Heritage Foundations 2018 Index of Economic Freedom - defined as “Economic freedom is the fundamental right of every human to control his or her own labor and property” - Denmark ranks as number 12. The US ranks as number 18. - According to the World Economic Forum, “you're more likely to achieve the American dream if you live in Denmark”. Don’t people work in Denmark? - We do! Among the working age population, more people work in Denmark than in USA. 75 pct. of the Danish working age population is working. In US it is 70,6 pct., cf. OEDS data on employment Work-life-balance and Happiness? - Denmark has the best Work-Life-Balance in the world according to World Economic Forum. And we are one of the most happiest countries in the world according to this year’s World Happiness Report – competing, by the way, with Norway, Finland, Iceland, and Sweden.
2018-08-18 18:40
Denmark: Higher taxes Higher prices Lower salaries
2018-08-30 07:38
#256
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Sweden naturen 
You are not socalist. You are pretty much like us. A capitalist welfare state.
2018-08-31 18:14
Never vote for a democrat
2018-08-18 21:08
#195
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United States 4PP135 
Sanders is simply advocating fir a scandanavian system. And the corporate tax rate is higher on paper, but after deductions and loopholes its lower than any other modern country. Socialism is being misused and people are usually advocating for a social democracy where most things are kept under the free market, but things that don't work are kept off the market.
2018-08-29 00:20
It's going the right way in the US
2018-08-29 00:22
#199
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Germany maestroCS 
are you serious? Socialism isn't being normalized, the thing americans call "socialism" is. But that is a social democracy at best. Bernie Sanders might call himself a Socialist, but he isn't a socialist. He doesn't demand the abolishment of capitalism, the free market or private ownership. He's a socdem, not a demsoc. Same goes for Ocasio-Cortez
2018-08-29 01:23
Sanders is a rich man. He is hoping kids vote for his idiot views which he knows will not work. Lucky for America, kids are to lazy to vote.
2018-08-29 01:31
#220
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United States Acehavok 
You do realize how much money congressmen make right? He spent 16 years in the house and 12 in the senate. His wife also works for a University, so of course he's going to have some money. Even so his net worth is only $2M, for a senator that's pretty low.
2018-08-30 07:00
"How many yachts do billionaires need" While Bernie owns 3 houses himself
2018-08-30 07:36
America is already socialist. They take peoples taxes and give the money to people the refuse to work. The whole world is heading for a great depression in the next few years. We need to get the sub saharans out of America. Many have lived on welfare for generations now and it's not stopping.
2018-08-29 01:34
#253
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Sweden naturen 
I thought that shit only happened here and in Germany
2018-08-31 18:09
#207
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Ireland deluxe^ 
where is mccain
2018-08-29 01:36
#214
sakula | 
Other kaiske 
hell
2018-08-30 05:04
#219
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United States Acehavok 
You do realize no U.S. politician and hardly any citizen is calling for actual socialism. You'd be signing a death sentence, it's America the poster child of capitalism. Bernie and now most Democratic voters in general just want the basics to be covered. Single payer, a living wage, and free college. It's to create a fair playing ground for social mobility.
2018-08-30 06:48
So lets put the burden on middle-upper class people to pay for everything for everyone. obamacare raised the fuck out of healthcare costs, the only reason why many people saw decreases was because of government subsidies. If the government has to pay 90% to make people have a plan that costs 100$ a month, that means healthcare under that system costed 1000$ a month for basic coverage. Even if the same people paid 200$ a month before obamacare its better for everyone else to pay a little bit more, get better coverage and not have the middle class have to pay 1000$ a month so u can pay 100$
2018-08-30 07:20
Scandinavian countries have super high income/sales tax. A lot of these taxes stifle upward social mobility. Denmark is a very small country and is apart of the EU a collection of much larger countries who all trade and do business in unison. Obviously in their case being the beneficiary of larger countries trading with them will allow for them to have a very low deficit, and be able to afford policies that will help their citizens maintain a high standard of living. However, their standard of living is simply fake, not through making the best decisions or innovating, but through the government maintaining the standard of living. People the US make a pretty high amount compared to most other countries, but are the largest spenders in the world. This is why the rich are growing, because poor people play rich buying their 1000$ shirts, and not saving anything or working hard to better their life in their job or in their neighborhood. Denmark is a majority white danish country with similar view points, the US is multi-racial, national, ethno and religious country which makes the two totally incomparable.
2018-08-30 07:30
It's funny that people from other countries are saying that socialism isn't becoming more popular in the USA because they would obviously know. If you lived here for a week and went out driving you would see bumper stickers for Bernie and the like everywhere. Hell, every time I go to a party there's some drunk idiot spewing shit from his mouth how we need free college because his tuition is outrageous. So yes, there is a wave of socialistic ideas happening.
2018-08-30 07:48
usa has always been socialistic taxationistheft!
2018-08-30 09:41
#255
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Sweden naturen 
Imagine if they had Hillary instead of Trump
2018-08-31 18:11
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