Thread has been deleted
Last comment
can people change?
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
whats your opinion? can people change? for example when someone is toxic,aggressive? to being calm and nice? (not talking about ingame but irl) or a saying "always a cheater,forever a cheater?" (again, not in-game but irl) or criminals?
2018-08-17 23:22
The fuck? People changes all the time, that's how we grow.
2018-08-17 23:24
#3
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
yes, but from worse to better? some people claim they cannot change, that its the way they are
2018-08-17 23:25
Those are just sad men imprisoning themselves and refusing to learn. It's not that they can't, they just choose not to.
2018-08-17 23:34
#92
 | 
World ZMDR 
correction: theyre too lazy to put the effort to change
2018-08-18 12:19
#2
REZ | 
United Kingdom Firelight 
S1mple
2018-08-17 23:24
#4
 | 
Belgium HLTVnewfag 
Ofcourse lol?
2018-08-17 23:26
#5
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
#3
2018-08-17 23:26
#10
 | 
Belgium HLTVnewfag 
Thats because they dont want to change
2018-08-17 23:28
#11
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
right
2018-08-17 23:28
#22
 | 
Belgium HLTVnewfag 
They believe they are too weak to change/dont try hard enough to change and give up fast, thus claiming they cant change Just look at addictions people fight with, never heard stories of people who got rid of some sort of addiction? They changed Never looked back at your own life and said “wow i was a retard back then, what was i thinking”
2018-08-17 23:33
I used to be stupid and very unselfaware. Im the complete opposite now, so I believe so yes.
2018-08-17 23:26
#8
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
good. thats nice. its a really good thing that you actually notice it. was it your decision to change? or it happened naturally?
2018-08-17 23:29
no
2018-08-17 23:27
#9
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
why do you think so?
2018-08-17 23:27
No. People can't change! I'm a good person who didnt use or sell drugs, after i was 19 you can say i sold alot until i was 23, i hated it, i hated the people in it, everything. So i went back to being a good citizen who smokes weed now and then. And no, people can't change exept if we're talking about drug addicts.
2018-08-17 23:29
#15
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
why do you think so? for example I used to be a bad studant, shit marks all the time, getting into fights 24/7 now im an ok student and I didnt have a serious conflict for over 2 years.
2018-08-17 23:30
But you are still the same, you are just tired of being in trouble all the time, so you just mixed up your life to better. I was talking more about personality
2018-08-17 23:32
#26
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
i strongly disagree. im in a complete different mindset. being angry,arrogant and wanting to fight everyone over small things is not about personality? and learning for example too?
2018-08-17 23:35
No, that is just feelings, you just found a better road for yourself.
2018-08-17 23:36
#29
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
so give me an example of a personality that you cant change
2018-08-17 23:37
Shyness, You can learn to control it to make it better, but it will always be there. Older you get, more you understand about life. it's just that, you get wiser with age if you are willing to learn yourself, like you did, like i did.
2018-08-17 23:40
#104
 | 
Germany MicroMM 
+1
2018-08-18 18:28
Psychopaths will never change, they are born that way, you see
2018-08-17 23:41
#37
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
ok i agree with that. but idk. the shyness for example. by controling it you can change it to not be shy. for example my ex gf used to be super shy until she started going out with me and meeting new people.
2018-08-17 23:44
I know what you are saying, but how was she inside herself before every time you went out, did you ask her that? Some people just say it's ok to go along, or like we all do! I have been depressed for 4 years, also i think i changed to a different person, oh man i didn't like myself and the anger, but i have a really strong brain, so im good at controlling myself, thank god. but now i feeling alot better and im starting to get back to old happy me, Im not changed, im just a person who have learned about Mental life, and i take everyone who has mental illness seriously, there my joking will stop if someone says they have that. People don't change.
2018-08-18 00:04
#110 and why does it matter if their entire personality changes. Sometimes just changing one thing about yourself like how you take criticism or your work ethic can make a HUGE difference
2018-08-18 21:22
#82
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Exactly? Thats part of changing.
2018-08-18 09:16
But it doesn't change who you are.
2018-08-18 10:44
But it changes your outlook on life and the decisions you make
2018-08-18 18:20
What if you found something to do that you liked? Would you still revert back to same person who you were before?
2018-08-18 00:19
You will still be the same person inside, just with a new hobby you like.
2018-08-18 00:21
I'm not same person who I was before. My essence have changed. I used to embrace loser's mentality, because I liked idea of attracting compassion. It's completely opposite now, I want to be as independent and upright on my own feet as possible. I no longer resonate with that mentality I once had.
2018-08-18 00:24
I think that is because you got older, wiser and got more selfcontrol and esteem than before, that changed, but that is not your personality. When people talk about "change" they usually mean good, evil or mental. You can be a good person who does bad shit because you are not in that right place in your life yet(that means too young or not mature enough yet)
2018-08-18 00:38
Tell me is there anyone who haven't done horrible things without remorse as a child? I remember collecting butterflies and nailing them with needles to matchboxes. What kind of nonsense was that even? There are so few things I can look back and say that I still have.
2018-08-18 00:43
It's not what you do, it's what you feel inside when you do it or have done it that counts! That's the person who you are! butterflies are Incekts man... who have feelings for those kinda things, i used to snap the wings of flies like everychild did without any remorse
2018-08-18 00:49
That's so vague. What's that feeling thing, I don't even remember how I felt yesterday. Not sure what feeling are you talking about.
2018-08-18 00:50
About what's right or wrong
2018-08-18 00:51
That's completely up in air with me. I just keep finding out that my initial feeling over things are wrong, all the time, just by thinking more. I might as well say that it's one of things that changes the most within me or is at very least pretty unstable.
2018-08-18 00:55
at least you are thinking about it, that's a good thing
2018-08-18 01:01
I think all people believe that they are doing "the right thing", it's just that idea of right or wrong differs from person to person. And on that note it can change for person. Don't you have things that you learned that have changed your moral compass? Or to put it better, calibrated it?
2018-08-18 01:08
#13
 | 
Malaysia byaIi 
yes i know irl exampples
2018-08-17 23:30
#14
 | 
Serbia Suckleus 
Idk but for me I cheated on every single girl I was ever with, and after the last one I said thats it no more relationships for me, Im done its just not for me and then this girl appears and Im like holy shit where have you been my whole life and I told her all about me how I was and all, you know. We were together for like 15 days then I went to a holiday and have not cheated on her for 12 or so days, came back, was going out with friends and all but havent cheated either. But last night I got superdrunk and did cheat on her with my long time girl friend. Tl;dr once a cheater, forever a cheater imo
2018-08-17 23:30
#20
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
well, im asking this cuz i used to be a super angry dude fighting everyone and having bad marks. now im a good student and havent had a conflict for ever 2 years. my gf also cheated on 2 guys in her life, but she always told them for example. we are together for 2 years now and im more than sure she havent cheated once on me. and we told each other we will change. and I think we did. so thats why im asking, if people believe in it. all u have to do is want the change
2018-08-17 23:38
#63
 | 
Serbia Suckleus 
well that is a good thing to hear, however I dont think you should rely on that u will never be like that again. dont get me wrong, u might not, it is just more likely that you yourself will than anyone who never did it in the first place
2018-08-18 00:24
ayy lmao i just texted her
2018-08-18 12:10
#112
 | 
Serbia Suckleus 
nt GOAT
2018-08-18 20:02
wdym goat
2018-08-19 09:14
#129
 | 
Serbia Suckleus 
lmao newfag
2018-08-19 23:25
nt im braxilian
2018-08-20 06:55
nature of people doesn't change if somebody is toxic he will remain toxic
2018-08-17 23:30
Dude people change the whole time, that's how human works. Are u the same from 3 years ago ?
2018-08-17 23:30
When you are 5 years old, You will get your personality for the future, you just get more tired of stuff, but never change yourself.
2018-08-17 23:34
People change over time no matter what, some people can deny that change and try to act the same, or they can just have stagnant periods where nothing seems to change, but people are changing every single day. Sometimes it takes a long time to see good change though.
2018-08-17 23:32
acting is not changing
2018-08-17 23:35
Acting the same way you have before slows your change, but even those who don't want to change under any cirrcumstances change with enough time. Take it from me personally, someone very very bad I knew about 5 years ago, they refused to change and acted the same way for 4 years but eventually even they got washed up with the changes. Acting and refusing change just slows the inevitably of the change.
2018-08-18 00:19
#24
 | 
Denmark MSLTOP1 
i think if they try to force to change its just putting on an act
2018-08-17 23:34
Forced change is still real change, regardless if it fails.
2018-08-17 23:52
#91
 | 
Germany Lifant 
"Fan of s1mple"
2018-08-18 12:17
#100
 | 
Denmark MSLTOP1 
Nt nazi
2018-08-18 15:46
#25
 | 
Brazil falIenzera_SK 
yes people do change, about temper is a little bit more hard, take some years.
2018-08-17 23:35
I don’t think so, I think slimy people will always be slimy given the opportunity. Or toxic, evil, etc. I think a lot of people suppress their true self until given the opportunity you know the saying “the true test of a mans character is what he does when nobody is watching”
2018-08-17 23:38
I dont think so.... U dont change u show to others that u change but yourself know that you are the same. I didnt change. Im the same person but now i show a different attitude to people.. Its more i like a lot a song from xxx (changes) and if u listen the lyrics are so true. I have the same feelings that x in that song
2018-08-17 23:38
#33
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
that doesnt make sense lmao. the song is literally about a girl changing
2018-08-17 23:40
wow if u dont tell me ill never known.. and the most curious thing is that i was thinking to tattoo changes on my arm
2018-08-18 00:26
#81
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
fake x fan :D
2018-08-18 09:13
No fake. I just didnt understood the song
2018-08-18 12:05
#32
 | 
Brazil Coldzilla 
Yes, bye
2018-08-17 23:39
Ofc people can change, life experiences are constantly changing us
2018-08-17 23:42
+1
2018-08-17 23:47
#125
 | 
Czech Republic prokda_DDPC 
+1
2018-08-19 09:29
Yes, but it takes considerable effort and often professional help to make a breakthrough and really "change", in my opinion. Anyone who wakes up one day and claims they're different is a moron or a liar. With that said, I believe that one's behaviour may change overnight - but the root of the reason as to why they enacted such behaviours in the first place will still be present inside of them and can constantly re-surface unless they're mindful of suppressing it. Take a recovering drug addict or a former fatty as an example, they'll be more likely to relapse into old behaviours as these days, recovery only focuses on treating the symptoms and not the cause.
2018-08-17 23:46
What's up with idea of changing overnight? I don't see to what example it could be grounded to. But if something like that happens, it wouldn't actually be actual overnight change, but would have some sort of buildup that resulted into the change. Or it was some external brute force incident that forced change.
2018-08-17 23:56
It could be grounded to the example OP gave - his girlfriend has a history of unfaithfulness, yet we can assume that since she and OP have been together for two years, she's making an effort to change her behaviour for him, even though the actual tendencies within her may still be present. To elaborate, what I'm trying to say is that changing one's behavioural patterns isn't necessarily indicative that the person has changed their true nature - in some cases, people struggle with that for their entire lives. Sorry if I was unclear in my original post, I think the guy below me misunderstood my intentions too. I'm getting kinda sleepy here. :(
2018-08-18 00:27
There are root causes for certain decisions a person makes, you can get down to changing those roots or at least understand them if you dig deep enough in yourself.
2018-08-18 00:31
You can't bring drugs into your argument. Drugs "Change" people because it's drugs, but they are still the same person inside. Nice writing at the top!(no sarcasm) (fascinating)
2018-08-17 23:59
By what metrics the person inside is same no matter what?
2018-08-18 00:01
You need to formulate your question, can't understand you mate.
2018-08-18 00:02
My interpretation of what you said was that even if person changes he's still same person inside. Seems that I didn't pick it up right. Can you clarify that?
2018-08-18 00:05
Yes correct. A Psychopath is still a Psychopath, even if he becomes a drug addict
2018-08-18 00:07
A person isn't just single thing. Sure, the part of him that is "psychopath" might not change, but thousands of other things do. It's more like calling someone as same person just because you have found a single word to categorize him by through his entire life. Sure, person have same name and surname through his life, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't change.
2018-08-18 00:12
I hear you man, i do. Go up to #12 and read down from there, i just finished talking to another one about this.
2018-08-18 00:16
I think perhaps I was unclear. I agree with what you wrote in #49 - if a person has a tendency towards drug abuse, that won't go simply because they've quit using drugs. It'll have to be something they fight against every day until whatever caused that tendency to appear, disappears. Perhaps my example was bad, but that was the point I tried to convey. Thanks for sharing your opinion regardless :)
2018-08-18 00:24
#40
 | 
Sweden Akoulad 
No
2018-08-17 23:49
people can change, but most dont
2018-08-17 23:52
#50
 | 
Norway rogueplayer 
People change, from either worse to better or better to worse Humans are based on irrationalities, it's never static always dynamic It's like yin and yang, full balance is the key... but for many they are either too good or too evil... these imbalances will fuck your mental and physical health in this realm Of course these parameters in balance is different from everyone, but balance within oneself is still key
2018-08-18 00:08
#51
 | 
United Kingdom oyyrofl 
"for example when someone is toxic,aggressive? to being calm and nice? (not talking about ingame but irl)" Thats exactly me, but aint gonna lie weed played a huge part in it
2018-08-18 00:09
#53
 | 
Lithuania lighthair 
People can change but its a rare thing
2018-08-18 00:12
#57
ropz | 
Poland ThaZzuKi 
it depends if someone is a bad person since birth or began to be like that at a certain moment, and also depends what things happen around that person
2018-08-18 00:22
ofc people can change but that doesnt always mean that they will
2018-08-18 00:22
of course my penis changes evwryday from normal to rock hard
2018-08-18 00:24
When I was younger, I wasn’t toxic but I had a short temper. Now, I never get mad.
2018-08-18 00:28
"Hi Cyber ??House, I'm a 14 year old boy who has a very hot sister and the problem is that I'm in the middle of puberty, and things have begun with the hugs that have a place of attachment between my legs. Every time she walks, I feel a dunk and the dunk, and I can feel the blood vessels on my penis buckle and the blood from my head is looking down against the maddike mother. The problem, however, is my hygiene, as I am so obsessed with my sister that I rarely take a bath. The cheek cheese pours up and I'm afraid of toilet visits, because every time I call it abominable, I'm faced with a more and more abominable sight for each time. I have not checked the penis for almost 3 days and fear worse results when other family members have started to notice the smell. Here the other day at the dining table, my father said, "What is this horrible flax and what demonic creature has produced this smell?". I was immediately greeted with shame, and I'm sure my sister also noticed the smell of the smell and looked at me with disgust. All I want is to be with my sister and her shaved pubic hair I'm filling the pillow with is the only thing that makes me happy, but I feel I should listen more to my rational side and get a bath . What do you think I have to do, because puberty has hit me like a wall, and I meet new challenges every day. Hope you can help a confused young boy, because I'm really on deep water. XD" Is he normal?
2018-08-18 00:52
#77
 | 
Other aIIah 
:hltv: just testing
2018-08-18 02:14
People change their behaviuor, not their personality.
2018-08-18 02:10
#83
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Some people do, some peoples entire personalities change. Say they go through a near death experience and learn to value life and that its amazing that we are even here, thats an entire personality change.
2018-08-18 09:17
I am not so optimist. Let's say that a person might have an antissocial personality disorder (most commonly are psicopaths or sociopaths) or a narcissistic, or a borderline personality disorder. They can't change or erase such disorder, in a total efficient way. They can change their behaviour, but it's difficult for me, who some members of the family are psychologists, to believe in such change.
2018-08-18 15:36
Those are literally the most extreme cases possible thats just a strawman
2018-08-18 18:21
Those people have chemical imbalances that prevent them from seeing the other side and behaving properly . What if I'm bad in relationships and i treat my partners terribly but I learn from my mistakes and end up happily married to a partner I dearly respect and value. What if I'm a terrible student but I realize education is necessary and that I need to change my outlook on schooling in order to achieve my goals. What if I'm a drug addict but find something else that I love that I focus on so much that I dont even think about drugs. Art, music, gaming etc. Theres literally so many real life examples of people who change that you hear about every day the idea that you cant is just the unwillingness to.
2018-08-18 18:43
I think we are just discussing semantics at this point. We both agree that people change; the main difference, however, is that you think that people change their personality, I think people change their behaviour.
2018-08-18 18:45
Does it matter which one they change? Either way they're bettering themselves
2018-08-18 20:24
But I agree! I said that in the beginning.
2018-08-18 20:39
Gotcha
2018-08-18 20:51
#79
 | 
Other aIIah 
:hltv: just testing again
2018-08-18 02:15
Probably depends on age, if someone is 16 toxic and such it's most likely that he will change unless he's surrounded by toxic people. I also think that older people can change. Story straight from my neighborhood, there was that 1 drug addict that would take stuff from the bin and do some weird shit with it, you would see him under influence every day and he actually went to rehab and after some time I've seen him everyday walking his dog that he has bought or adopted and being a really different person. I also used to trashtalk a little(I wasn't obnoxious like some people) when I was a teenager, had different views and now I'm just either ignoring all the toxicity pointed at me or I'm just responding with "okay". My views, for example political also slightly changed as well as how I look at the world and other people, I'm not that quick to judge other people. Can people change? Of course they can although it varies from person to person.
2018-08-18 02:31
#84
nitr0 | 
Canada Surzz 
its not hard to change. if you genuinely want to change, you can change.
2018-08-18 09:17
#94
 | 
Denmark muggge 
So wise +1
2018-08-18 12:22
look at s1mple
2018-08-18 09:22
Yes usually just something bad have to happen for them to realize the change is needed.
2018-08-18 10:47
Then it can be already too late. It's way easier to change something that isn't working right away,than try to get rid of it after it becomes into ingrown habit.
2018-08-18 12:26
Yes, for better or for worse. and some people stay the same
2018-08-18 12:09
#93
 | 
Denmark muggge 
Yeah. Change is the only thing that's permanent.
2018-08-18 12:22
#95
 | 
Russia hahatun74 
Yes. Only for the worse
2018-08-18 12:24
#96
 | 
Turkey Jarrod 
Some things never change for example racism
2018-08-18 12:24
#127
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
wrong. few years ago I would hate on you and talk shit about you or even try to hit you for being black. now, literally my idol and the biggest influance on my life is black :)
2018-08-19 15:02
Yes, My close friend from elementary school changed like that after started to sit with me in the class.
2018-08-18 12:25
people can change if their environment changes. that is smart people adapt to their environment. dumb people or people with evolutionary weaker toolset will not adapt. this is pretty straight-forward but can be applied to social situations as well. when somebody has a shitty life or is insecure he will keep being toxic. when either of those changes he will change. of course you got personality but you got feedback from your environment and it is in your best interest to adapt to your feedback and try to change your environment/habits.
2018-08-18 18:25
a 40 years old person needs 40 years to change
2018-08-18 18:29
Who told you that?
2018-08-18 20:52
my stupid uncle the meaning is not literally it means when u do something for 40 years, its hard to undo
2018-08-18 21:30
I agree its harder to change the older you get because you get stuck in your way "if I've done it for this long why cant I keep doing it" but there are circumstances where people at every age can change due to hardship, life-changing experiences, enlightenment, and by the merit of others coming into their lives
2018-08-18 21:33
yep but it's more for average human of course everything is possible
2018-08-19 01:56
#106
 | 
Sweden ThorinEk 
it is what it is and they are what they are
2018-08-18 18:29
#107
 | 
Finland AxaFin 
yes. look at all the alcoholics and druggies who turn to christianity.
2018-08-18 18:29
#126
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
pls dont bring religion here, thank u
2018-08-19 15:00
#108
 | 
Brazil Mentecapto 
This is rather complex, and depends on a lot of things, such as the one #103 talked about. But there are more variables, way more. To make it simple: yes, people can change, but the overwhelming majority won't be able to, only a few, VERY few.
2018-08-18 18:30
some people dont even understand they need to change. like u justify him he's an asshole but some just dont realize it
2018-08-18 18:34
I shall not be lured into this trap!
2018-08-18 21:34
#122
TACO | 
Europe cozmos 
People CAN change, its just some people aren’t willing to make that change and see no issue in what they are doing.people who realise their issues without others telling them and usually the first to make changes.I think everyone can be a better person.
2018-08-19 02:32
never.
2018-08-19 09:17
#128
 | 
Turkey Balbaros 
nothing lasts forever, and we both know hearts can change
2018-08-19 15:06
#131
chrisJ | 
Finland Motori 
Only if the person wants to change
2018-08-20 10:25
#132
 | 
United States MAKEOUTHILL 
well, i strongly disagree with that lol. there can be a life-changing event in your life that makes you change naturally without you wanting it or forcing it. you can change without you even wanting/noticing
2018-08-20 11:29
Login or register to add your comment to the discussion.