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This is just pure bs like he cant do anything if he plays for bad team. he cant carry. hits only easy shots with awp(sometimes even misses them)
can someone tell me why would you consider him top 5 alltime
he is not consistent btw.
not even top 10 maybe
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YOUR_OPINIONS_LUL
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nignog
Second most consistent AWP behind Guardian.. he is not top 5 all time though. I wish he would have stuck with the rifle though. He would be a more valuable player imo. He’s not even most valuable on his team. Xyp Glaive then device in terms of actual value and replacability
HAHA YES +1 +1 +1
He only holds defensive angles and hits shots even a gold nova could hit. He rely on his team SOOOO MUCH. He would get REKT in a pugging environment :)
yeah exactly i dont get why he would be considered top 5 alltime. some delusional fanboy even put him top 1 lmao
+1
He would prob excel in pug style but doesn’t need to. He fits his role and plays it well so the team will succeed
cry is free
list 1 point how hes better than likes of gtr olof cold kenny flusha jw etc
LMAO
Why should I? I agree that he is not top-5. I disagree with other shit you wrote and its cocky intonation: "pure bullshit he cant do anything if he plays for bad team. he cant carry. hits only easy shots with awp(sometimes even misses them)" - sensless shit.
"not even top 10 maybe" - even more senseless shit.
He carried his team asses when they had the most rough time in their history (spring-summer of 2016, when they were barely getting through groupstages and had some reshuffles) and even became top-3 that year which a sign that he doesn't need to have a well-performing team. And the fact that there are better players doesn't mean you need to be arrogand and act like you EXPOSE THIS BAD DEVVE AND GIVE THOSE BLIND PEOPLE SOME LIGHT OF TRUTH. Device is a great player, not the best, probably never was the best, but the fact that he's always ONE OF the best is a reason to give him respect and credits, not trashtalk. And you just try to bait his fanboys by this cocky tone and pointless arguments just like 99% of this shithole forum.
well said
The problem is that people can’t simultaneously think a player isn’t top 5 and still a very good player. They act like said player is complete shit just to defend themselves 😂😂 you are right. He’s not top 5 all time but he is still very talented and could be top 5 by the end of his career
Device is just a good looking guy with not so much experince awping
not even top 20
4 now
+11 device maybe most overrated player in history
Hahah. I am a bit of Rain tho too, at his best he was so very good, plus I've met the guy a few times and he is a very cool dude.
EDIT: fan* shit I keep typ0eings hard today
Allu is worse
S1mple is same level/better
Draken is worse
Guardian is same level/better
Mixwell doesn't main awp anymore??
Oskar can be same level
Snax... No comment
Papa, he's a bit washed up and not as good anymore
Nitro isn't really a star player/awper
Cerq has the potential, just needs to be in more t1 events
Kennys, when he's on point he's better
Xccurate, haven't watched him a whole lot
Skadoodle, I'd say a bit worse than Device but not far behind when both are at peak
Hen1, haven't seen him perform well since Krakow and even during Krakow I found Kng more appealling
Mou, where's Gambit even at now lol
Smooooooooya, eh.. a bit worse I'd say.
yes i just wasted some time of my life writing and commenting on that..
Pasha: Not even good anymore lol
Xccurate: Not proven against top 5 teams
Skadoodle: Inconsistent as fuck, should've retired but literally wasn't allowed to because NA CS is hopeless when it comes to AWPers
Hen1: Drinks too much and is a big dissapointment since his return
Mou: Had his peak but isn't that impressive anymore
-allu+ FalleN
Also remove papa
Simple and guardian. Heni maybe
becuse device consitently gets atleast 2 kills pre round while surviving and the reason he does not hit any hard shots is becuse he always puts himself in a postion to get and easy shot and play it safe for his team
well then hes atleast not draken shazam hen1 kng pasha and repeaks 20 million times and misses shots silvers hit consistently
he misses easy shots tho.
do you watch device demos cus i watch device demos and i almosyt never see him miss a shot it just that you view him negitivly so you notice that 1/9 shot s he misses
(sry for bad english)
he does miss shots and doesnt make amazing shots almost any time. thats why there is not highlights of him
you cant argue with infadels
you cant argue with delusional icelanders
nt he was top3 in 2015 and he didnt awp
1. He was undeserved top 3 in 2015.
2. Of course he was awping lol. He had 0.16 AWP kills per round. He just wasnt the main awp.
It should be so stuff like GeT_RiGhT > flusha and device and Snax > flusha wouldnt happen.
undeserved according to you lmao. and he rifled most of the time.
Not only according to me. I would say according to everyone who has something in his brain and watched the game back then.
You said he didnt awp not me. Funfact: He had more kills per round with the AWP than cajunb.
The logic lmao
"Becauae he knows how to get advantages and take easier shots instead of being flashy and forcing himself into difficult positions that actually means that he lacks skill"
That's the equivalent of me seeing an enemy with his back turned from me and me running to his front so he sees me before I try to kill him so i can prove I'm "skilled"
Yeah I dont understand why it's so exaggerated in threads about device though. The guy is a superstar and has been the best Danish player and by far the most consistent for years, he had problem in semis for a bit but often he was the reason his teams got there in the first place.
One of the most versatile players in the scene only player that truly AWPed and rifled at top 5 or even top 10 level besides s1mple. Amazing pistols and yet people still find ways to discredit him because "his team is so good and play so structured" but that's largely due to him and he has played at that level in a multitude of systems anyway. Its just sad.
device is edit fragger and gets ugly easy kills when his teammates bait for him
exit
but worse
what ANY player being worse then the best player in the world what a good point
if you think device now> cold 2016-2017 just leave hltv
do you even speak english?
yes?
you know why?
because hltv is danish
except for the last line huge +1
There is more than 5 players with 2 majors or more.
So device with only one major is not among the top5 all time.
pronax 3 majors btw
this one is one of the top5
Ofc lol
kennyS, GuardiaN, FalleN, oskar, Skadoodle, JW, s1mple - all of them are better awpers in my opinion.
But dev1ce is playing in a team which is kind of #1 at the moment. But as a player he is top anyway. Even making those easy kills isn't an easy task. It's an ability to choose right angle, position, movement, decision to make easy shots possible.
skadoodle
I didn't mean Skadoodle is in top 5 of all time.
anyway, ska is washed up and bad now
Maybe...
Uh, that kind of rules KennyS out too then. Even during his best year when the AWP was outrageously overpowered he only managed to reach #6 on the HLTV end of year rankings. Device meanwhile was #3 for two years in a row.
Also, Olof is overrated. His most memorable performance happened when he exploited the tec9 at Katowice 2015. Flusha was statistically a much more important and better player for Fnatic that year. In fact, Flusha should've been #1 for both 2014 and 2015. Unfortunately, rumours of him cheating probably influenced the decision to rank him lower.
kennyS was the best player of the 2nd half of 2014 and he was the most insane carry in csgo history (+ s1mple this year) and olofm, say what you want but he was the best player in 2015. Flusha may have been the key factor for fnatics success but that doesnt mean he was the best. Thats my point of view.
Btw, I dont take into consideration hltvs ranking since its based a lot on achievements and not overall individual performances thats why kennys was #6 2014 and device #3.. you may say that device didnt have much achievements in 2016 but nobody had, only fnatic, LG/SK and NaVi but no one else that much, not even VP (and no one from fnc and navi could match device that year, only s1mple when he joined navi and olofm in early 2016 - for me the top5 of 2016 was coldzera, NiKo, shox and 4th/5th device/s1mple). Also kennyS’ ranking last year can show how hltv ranks players when he was arguably a top5 player (behind cold, niko, s1mple and MAYBE fer) and berter than device.
Insane carry?
1. The team was deliberately built around him being the superstar.
2. He was using a weapon that was incredibly OP. Even JW and skadoodle were gods that year, and they're dogshit players in terms of skill. KennyS just demonstrated how utterly ridiculous the weapon can be in the hands of a moderately skilled player. And he himself has admitted that it needed to be nerfed.
3. Comparing him to s1mple is laughable. S1mple often had no help at all from teammates, and even without the AWP he would still carry. Even with only a pistol and the rest of his teammates using rifles/smgs, he would still find a way to get a 4k and win the round.
Yes, insane carry
1. Thats how its supposed to be, same goes for s1mple
2. He was and that doesnt change a thing since anyone could have used it but no one was that good and that fast to pull off stuff like him, he broke the meta and surpassed everyone, thats a fact. Btw, I wouldnt be calling him moderately skilled:) and surely I wouldnt call skadoodle a god in 2014.
3. Comparing him to s1mple is absolutely fitting. Insane carries in their teams where only they would frag and they would have to win rounds, matches and tournaments for their teams (but most of the times losing in a heartbreaking fashion). I dont care how and with what weapons s1mple can carry, kennyS did it in his own way and OP awp is just an excuse for people who cant take how well could he utilize it
+1 when i said he is bad wtf
+1 everything is good so maybe event top3 or top4 player atm ;)
Device has been in the HLTV top 5 for three years in a row, and almost certainly will be there again this year.
So while he hasn't ever managed to reach the high peaks of players like GTR, Flusha, Olof, and Coldzera, he's outlasting them all.
How is that not consistent?
Also, the point about him hitting only easy AWP shots is stupid. He was one of the most skilled riflers in the world before he even became an AWPer. Along with S1mple he's one of the few AWPers in the pro scene who would be relatively unaffected performance-wise if the AWP was removed from the game tomorrow.
Put him in a team which is not as coordonated and as tactical as astralis and all that shit.
In a "superstar" team he would be the bottom fragger or the 2nd bottom fragger.
Device is only good in the robotic environment of astralis.
Yea now would you say "Yea astralis knows how to use him"but remember,device it is good because of his team not because of him.
-agent Harold
Device was amazing in 2016 when Astralis werent even that good they had group stage exits and a lot of tournaments where they only made it to quarters and device was by far the best player on that team. He was hard carrying even in losses and once they got gla1ve he was arguably the best player in the world.
So your argument about him only being good in tactical lineups is false because they had karrigan who is notoriously loose in his leading style and only being good because his team is amazing is false because they were 5-8th in rankings for a large majority of that year.
amazing hmm
Yes absolutely amazing
April to when they acquired gla1ve
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2016-04-01&endD..
2nd best player on LAN and obviously the Chinese teams do not play the same level of competition, it's mostly domestic.
Argument destroyed
in that time he was eco fragger and exit fragger dude.. seriously
Any proof that he had high eco and exit kills in that time period? No, no proof because you're a sad baiter.
Burden of proof is on you.
HMMMMMM device only plays his mechanical style becuse thats what his team needs if he would go to some team like mouz he would play much more loose and his skill would show more
“His skill would show more”
would show more exposure. He would be bottom-fragger most of the time in such a loose environment.
Objectively,
Proud Faze Fan since 1999.
check device faceit match history is he bottom fragging in any games?
60% winrate in fpl and pugs
omg, i cant stand your virgin ass haters, u are so damn dumb. i cant admit that you are that stupid, 100% you are baiting, how can you say that device is not a top player lmao, when astralis were struggling he was the man who put the numbers and now when they are top1 standing strong above all he is still putting numbers are making impactful frags, he is playing the smartest cs of all them players out there. yeah sure his playstyle isn't flashy, but he is kicking ass and astralis are winning which is the most important. I have much respect for players like simple,NiKo etc who are making insane plays but at the end the discipline and the teamplay wins tournaments.. literally i am disgusted by all of the haters out here, no matter if u hate device, coldzera, simple,NiKo, Stewie2k or whatever, if u are that good why don't you go out there and show how it should be done? ffs
nobody ever said he was top5 all time other than delusional astralis fanboys that are max 10y old
IMO at this moment... top3 ? or top4?
this thread is so stupid, it has to be a bait. calling device top 5 is a punch in the face of all real cs legends
barely top20 csgo only
Imo he is consistent and do his job and its working but still I would not consider him as top5 player. For example there is like 3 or more better awpers rn. Someone will bring there stats but with playstyle of device and astralis almost every other awper would get his stats....
edit: +he is not able to carry when his team is playing bad
That's just not true read #60
And it's also not true that any AWPer would have the same stats how can you make that assumption with no proof to back it up.
I never said he was top 5 of all time because he isnt but if any AWPer could just take his playstyle and get a 1.3 rating then why dont they do it?
Your logic is terrible and you have no proof that these AWPers could do what he does so consistently.
His play is based off rotating at the right times and taking the best possible angles if any AWPer could be doing this they would.
But Device was able to put up amazing numbers even whe gla1ve wasnt part of the team and so they had a much different system
And like I said if devices playstyle is so simple why doesn't every AWPer just do it
Just hit the shots 4Head
Just position perfectly 4Head
Styko said in interviews that all of mouz played around Oskar. Obviously g2 does that for Kenny, faze has just as much talent and the team plays entirely around Niko and guardian as the stars, why dont they have the same impact?
And you ignored the fact that in 2016 they didn't have the same playstyle but device still put up insane numbers.
What? G2 didnt play around Kenny at all maybe now they started with new lineup but with old lineup they didnt play around Kenny at all. And Faze is not rly playing around Niko and Guardian everyone in team is making some plays and I never saw device carrying astralis when rest of the team had bad day lmao. He has no impact at all like for example niko or guardian have in Faze. Dont forget to bring his stats where his impact is higher lmao. Show me one game where device carried astralis when everyone of his m8ts played bad.
Current g2 does that for Kenny and old envyus did that a lot until happy became selfish.
Faze doesnt set up Niko and Guardian? You just have no knowledge of the scene. The people that "make plays" are doing it to make space for Niko and Guardian to close out rounds, you literally contradicted yourself in two sentences.
His impact rating is higher than guardian and every other awper this year so you are again wrong.
hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. Before they got gla1ve and were not top 5
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp..
Stop talking out of your arse lol, S1mple is much more consistent while putting up better numbers.
So what? Ever since S1mple has started playing he was more consistent than device. That's a fact.
Another fact is that device isn't even a Top5 awper right now. He's playing in the best team in the world, any other awper would be able to succeed as much if not mroe in his position.
And by the way, please explain to me what consistency is if it's not having consistentely good stats over the course of 3 years.
Edit: S1mple played T1 teams from the very start pretty much.
thats kinda true . he would suck in a team without firepower beside him
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2016-04-01&endD..
When astralis wasnt even top 5
I want to see how he will perform if he does not have great system. Like s1mple did while playing for lesser teams.
But they didnt have a great system? Karrigan was IGL and the loose style wasnt working they were ranked 7-8th for a majority of that
Going by your statement does this mean Gla1ve is that good of an igl that he can have a gold nova awper and still dominate most tournament's?
Spectacular plays < Safety & efficiency. He's holding a line and getting the kill ? Well that's what the game is about. He plays like a robot, and just like in chess, robots usually make the best decisions.
And by the way, before hating you'd better check your facts, dev1ce has probably been the most consistent player over a career in CS:GO history (that's why he's been on top of some top 20s)
Top 3.
Top 10 yeah, top 5 no way
0/8
after hltv ranking after this year, he is easily top3 of all time nomatter how much do you hate him
best player on the best team, top frags almost every game dropping nearly 30. Ranked top 5 players in the world every year since 2015, incredible all around game and a major champion. Top 3 all time for sure.
butttttt heeesssssss borrrrrrininiginnginging to watchhhhhhhh and that means everythihnggggggggggg
Probably a bait, but I agree
Device overrated and boring af
0/8 bait but hes been a top 5 player every year and top 3 many times why wouldnt he be top 5 of all time? what 5 players are better?
you could definitely make a case for it
Sixer is the best
top 5 overrated
Maybe
Coldzera, Forest, Device, Olofmeister and Fallen (or Flusha).
Maybe top 15. People only remember him when he plays like a god, but forget this only happens once a year. Inconsistent af