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WHY COLDZERA IS THE BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME IN CSGO
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United States IagoSK 
why coldzera and the best CS GO player of all time? I'll tell you, won two majors and was majors mvp 2 times, GeT_RiGhT won a major, no mvp, olofmeister won two majors, but was only mvp in one. Coldzera is the best in the world 2 times, only GeT_RiGhT has two, olofmeister only 1, Codzera has plays, there is no more legendary move than the 4k that originated the comeback in the liquid, in a major semifinal, also has the 4k clutch against mousesports , coldzera loaded a team on the back practically while the other 2 had very good teams, coldzera that was the jackass load to bring LG / SK to the top 1, coldzera 8 mvps, olof 6 mvps, GTR 10 mvps but cold came up out of nowhere, while GTR has emerged on a great team
2018-08-20 01:07
#1
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United States IagoSK 
/DISCUSS
2018-08-20 01:08
Coldzera is a stat padder. BRUTAL /discuss.
2018-08-20 01:43
#63
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Czech Republic hi_its_me 
/close
2018-08-20 06:05
#2
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Norway rogueplayer 
i arent think that device looking to take his spot for the next 3 years
2018-08-20 01:09
#57
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United States Xorsk 
Can you read? His argument says "is," not "will always be."
2018-08-20 05:45
Are you retarded he is saying of all time doesnt matter if he puts IS THE BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME or WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST OF ALL TIME. It means the same thing. Wow you Americans are retarded.
2018-08-22 06:19
#115
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United States Xorsk 
I nearly had a brain aneurysm reading your atrocious English. If someone is the best of all time at anything, it is still possible for someone to take his or her spot. You are seriously mentally challenged if you think when people say "best of all time," they mean that they can predict the future, knowing that no one will ever top their records. Currently, Usain Bolt is considered the fasted human of all time. It is very possible that some time in the future someone will beat his records. I would say you Canadians are retarded, but I am not an ignorant retard that would make such a broad and generalizing statement.
2018-08-22 15:28
OF ALL TIME. ALL TIME. THAT MEANS FOREVER. ALL TIME. They say Usain bolt is the fastest human alive
2018-08-22 19:37
#123
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United States Xorsk 
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/of%20all%.. You are seriously mentally challenged.
2018-08-22 22:17
that has ever lived or existed You are seriously mentally challenged No point in arguing with an American who has gotten his education from McDonalds
2018-08-23 02:19
#129
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United States Xorsk 
You are incredibly idiotic for attempting to correct me on something you are clearly ignorant about. "Has existed" is past tense. It doesn't include anything in the future, moron. Enough with the weak insults; it's getting boring seeing you resort to typical generalizing insults that have no impact on me as an individual. Just stop digging yourself into a deeper hole. You're on the internet. Just walk away.
2018-08-23 04:30
#65
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Germany cuzican 
Device isn‘t even in the top 10 of best players. Put him in any other team than astralis and he‘s a noone
2018-08-20 06:06
#78
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Israel Astrael 
Put him in astralis and he is the #2 best player in the world in the best team in the world, so whats the problem axaxaxaxaxaxa
2018-08-20 16:10
#88
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Germany cuzican 
That he‘s in the same position that cold was in, a team fully catering to him. And still, he‘s so far away from simple. If simple is global device would be mge
2018-08-20 18:02
#90
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Israel Astrael 
The funny thing is you cry here in HLTV, and he is winning tourneys, so i'm fine with it
2018-08-20 18:13
#103
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Germany cuzican 
Too bad they won‘t win shit after the player break because they will get heavily antistratted :) Faze or NaVi will take the #1 spot very soon.
2018-08-21 02:07
#106
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Israel Astrael 
Anything can happen, but i believe if anyone takes their spot it would be navi, not faze.
2018-08-21 09:33
cloud9 fanboy how good is stewie in mibr lolol. tarik will be shit too now
2018-08-20 20:21
#102
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Germany cuzican 
I am a cloud9 fan, why are you talking about mibr? Stupid, as expected from someone with an arabic name
2018-08-21 02:07
not arabic retard hahahhaha
2018-08-21 13:47
#110
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Germany cuzican 
Eastern european makes it even worse
2018-08-22 06:10
device not even top 5 awper
2018-08-20 06:24
#97
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United Kingdom ExzoGames 
fucking hell, im pretty sure you can't be placed so highly and have such great stats and not be considered a top 5 awper... not any team can just cater to someone as a star player and become the best team in the world
2018-08-20 20:22
say 5 awpers who would do better in astralis.
2018-08-22 19:39
#119
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Germany dzynK 
FalleN KennyS GuardiaN Oskar S1mple Idk what you mean with "would do better in astralis" because surely they wouldnt do better because of language etc but ok xD
2018-08-22 19:44
so your 5 better awpers are: the god of csgo 3 washed up awpers oskar who isnt even consistant in mouz ty now i know that there are not 5 better awpers
2018-08-22 20:01
#121
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Germany dzynK 
Just taking your example of putting them into Astralis without Language issues. KennyS and FalleN and GuardiaN would perform better than device does.
2018-08-22 20:07
sure, cerq too right and nitro
2018-08-22 21:32
nt device, baiting in hltv aswell.
2018-08-22 23:45
+1 solid list
2018-08-22 23:45
he may be the most important player, not the player with most impact in games
2018-08-20 01:11
0/8
2018-08-22 22:32
+1
2018-08-20 01:11
And you see how good cold is without Taco = pure trash Always easy to be a good player when you are 3rd or 4th in the site and u always survive = padding stats. He has one of the lowest Deaths per round of any pro player and hes not even an awper
2018-08-20 01:16
+1
2018-08-20 01:19
#8
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
Cold is still a top 5 player this year. His team just isn’t as good as it used to be
2018-08-20 01:20
#9
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United States TriHardSeven 
He won't make the top 5, not even the top 10.
2018-08-20 01:21
#13
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
Of course not cuz he’s not winning events. He is still a top 5 player this year /closed
2018-08-20 01:27
#15
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United States TriHardSeven 
Even if you don't include events, he's still not top5. lol
2018-08-20 01:30
#36
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
Simple Niko device cold. Cold is playing at such a high level still. We just hold him to a higher standard because he’s been the best in the world for so long. And when he joins liquid after the major you will see lol
2018-08-20 02:24
#39
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United States Jammin800k 
But that's that's just not true statistically by any metric and your ranking cant be based on future speculation nor can his ranking this year be based on "holding him at a higher standard" that's nonsense. It's about what you do this year not what you've done in previous ones.
2018-08-20 03:27
#40
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
S1mple Niko/device magisk electronic NAF dupreeh krimz guardian then MAYBE cold but theres arguments for other players.
2018-08-20 03:24
#42
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
What’s good jammin? Any of those players listed could be top 5, cold included, and I would not disagree. They have to cram about 8-10 deserving players into the top 5. There’s no wrong answer if any of those players get top 5. I’m saying coldzera belongs in the conversation.
2018-08-20 03:30
#43
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United States Jammin800k 
Hey man, I just dont think you can justify putting him above s1mple niko or device obviously due to both stats and MVPs and the stat discrepancy between cold vs elec and magisk is just too big imo combined with their success in tournaments. I see the top 5 as very obvious right now and after that it gets difficult but i think due to krimz already having an MVP and NAF having a bunch of EVPs NAF will be 7th as of now and krimz 8th after Dupreeh who will be 6th because his stats are above the rest and he has an MVP at a big event after that guardians tournament success and MVP imo put him at 9th but he has slightly low enough stats compared to electronic and magisk that his MVP doesnt overshadow them and they both have a fair amount of EVPs to compensate. After which I think you have a close tie between cold sunny and oskar for 10th 11th and 12th because they have no MVPs. Thats actually insane to think about none of them even being top 10 when theyve been so God damn good. Obviously the year still has a good 3 months with huge tournaments coming up so anything is possible but that's how I see it at this moment
2018-08-20 03:42
#44
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United States Jammin800k 
In conclusion I think cold belongs in the top 10 conversation as of now but not top 5 if looking objectively.
2018-08-20 03:44
#54
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
Using your logic I can agree. But mvps and evps are irrelevant imo. Stats and impact plays combined with surrounding talent are important to me. All of astralis will most likely make top 20 list are they all worthy or are they all decent and make eachother look that much better. I say that to say cold looked much better when fallen was in god mode and fermonster was showing up and the rest of SK were playing well. Food for thought
2018-08-20 05:37
#60
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United States Jammin800k 
MVPs and EVPs are literally based on stats, impact rating being one of them and iconic plays/clutches (which are a stat) at individual tournaments. Cold looked just as good, his stats were just higher because they were winning, that's how it works and that's why tournament success is a factor
2018-08-20 06:01
#59
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
Similar examples being electronic and NAF. Both were absolutely exceptional in their previous teams. But because their wasn’t talent around them, they received less exposure and were rewarded less credit. Cold still gets his exposure but not in playoff matches. Another example is magisk. He was one of the best Danish talents while with North (imo) and as soon as he joins astralis people are calling him top ten.
2018-08-20 05:56
#61
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Right because they werent making deep runs and therefore not recieving EVPs and sometimes MVPs for their performances. That's why you have to work your way up and continue proving yourself until you're In a position to do so.
2018-08-20 06:00
#62
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
But that doesn’t mean they are better players now.. it means they receive more recognition. I didn’t realize “impactful plays” was a stat, and maybe I’m high as ballz and getting baited but I’ll believe you. So evps are relevant
2018-08-20 06:04
#67
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United States Jammin800k 
Impactful plays arent a stat but impact rating is it measures the relevance of your frags Impact Rating (updated formula based on multi-kills, opening kills, 1onX wins and more) Better rating with how much is factored into it may not mean you are a better player than before but it does mean you are playing better if that makes sense. So just because let's say NAFs rating goes up .10 (just an example not actually true) when he joins liquid may not mean he has improved but it does mean that he is doing more within the server now and likely winning more. So whether the player improved is irrelevant all that matters is what happens in the server.
2018-08-20 06:12
#45
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United States MarkerTassel 
List of players better than. Cold Naf Krimz Almost all of astralis Twistzz Flusha Guardian
2018-08-20 03:53
#49
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United States Jammin800k 
Nah not twistzz Hes amazing but still heavily overrated this year. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/10394/Twi..
2018-08-20 04:46
#51
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United States Jammin800k 
Also not flusha either hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9216/cold.. His 1 MVP doesn't make up for that big of a stat discrepancy especially when he doesnt have any other awards this this year at big events.
2018-08-20 04:49
#53
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
+1 he had a really good tournament and some ok ones early this year
2018-08-20 05:33
cold is top 10-15 at best,i can easily list 10 players that were better this year
2018-08-20 17:11
#89
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North America KiNGa_da_ACE 
All top 10 players this year deserve a top 5 spot imo. Simple Niko device are all shoe ins. Then you have magisk NAF Elige cold krimz electronic and so many guys. I’m saying cold is a top 5 player but yea he won’t make top 5.
2018-08-20 18:12
#10
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Brazil 643 
"And you see how good cold is without Taco = pure trash" whole mibr is playing bad "Always easy to be a good player when you are 3rd or 4th in the site and u always survive = padding stats" that's the way lg/sk used to play, it worked for about 2+ years, saying it as a bad thing is just dumb "He has one of the lowest Deaths per round of any pro player and hes not even an awper" do you want him to trying retake a site on a 2vs4, for exemple??
2018-08-20 01:22
#25
FalleN | 
Brazil Tablari 
+1
2018-08-20 01:45
#25
FalleN | 
Brazil Tablari 
+1
2018-08-20 01:45
+1
2018-08-20 03:28
#27
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Saying cold is trash this year is moronic hltv.org/stats/players/matches/9216/cold.. Insulting a strategy that clearly worked and propelled them to a top team for 2 years is moronic Saying low deaths per round is bad is moronic I dont think hes top 1 all time but your arguments are fucking garbage
2018-08-20 01:46
#31
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United States Faze|Coldzera 
Do awpers die less than rifles??
2018-08-20 02:02
#38
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Yes statistically they do but it's not a negative point. Dying less can never be considered bad unless you're actually sitting in a corner doing nothing which obviously cold doesnt do and couldn't ever do at a pro level and remain pro.
2018-08-20 03:16
#48
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United States de_dust2x 
Coldzera total opening duels won: 2007 Total opening deaths: 1391 Opening kill ratio: 1.44 kills per death Simple total opening duels won: 3321 Simple opening deaths: 2269 Opening kill ratio: 1.45 per death Device total opening duels won: 3890 Device opening deaths: 2884 Opening kill ratio: 1.16 You judge
2018-08-20 04:11
dude you just prooved my point haha....... Coldzera total opening duels won: 2007 Simple total opening duels won: 3321 Device total opening duels won: 3890 ??????????? are you mentally retarded or what american dumbshit YES the rating is good but he and Simple has the same amount of maps played and yet Simple has 1300 more duels overall device has more played so i cant really count him.
2018-08-20 05:49
#64
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United States Jammin800k 
I like how you commented on his response when his reasoning was trash but not mine where I completely destroyed your arguments
2018-08-20 06:06
#68
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Brazil morFeux 
not to mention that both other than colzera are awpers. what an asshole.
2018-08-20 06:12
#69
NAF | 
United States Jammin800k 
Yep and 1 is known to be an aggressive playmaker while device has his team set up his opening kill frags not that it diminishes the quality of the opening kills device gets but cold is set up to finish rounds not start them.
2018-08-20 06:20
Cold dosent use the Awp?
2018-08-20 15:29
#99
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Brazil morFeux 
u are certainly imbecile. find ur nature, dude, but dont bullshit others with your nonsense.
2018-08-20 21:53
#100
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Brazil morFeux 
seriously, u have serious intelligence problems.
2018-08-20 21:54
destoyed my arguments? erhhhhhh first off you didnt even reply me? 2nd what part of the argument are you destroying? the only thing i said was Cold was trash after losing Taco, wich is true and the fact the he has always padded the stats with deaths pr round? If you actually denie that fact i CBA even have an arguement with you TBH what the fuck are you even talking about bro ?
2018-08-20 15:29
#92
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United States Jammin800k 
#27 replied to your original comment dumbo. Also cold isnt trash after losing TACO the entire team suffered and he suffered the least after the roster changes if you even bother to check the stats that I linked. What does padding stats with deaths per round even mean. Do you want him to purposefully die more?
2018-08-20 20:05
#75
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United States Faze|Coldzera 
first of, cold aint a awper, neither an entry so he doesnt need to have the opening kill and his comparing the ratio, not the average duels won
2018-08-20 15:58
Ino Cold isent and Awper but he uses it alot aswell so that cant be an excuse he is not an awper.. INO he is comparing the ratio but obviously hes ratio will be better when he has half the amount almost of both players. IF he had simples ratio i wouldnt argue about anything but he wont ever have that because he aint as good as Simple or wont ever be. Cold got gifted a very good supporter in Taco and that helped him for 3 years. Let us see how he does the next 3 years without him.
2018-08-20 16:06
#93
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United States Jammin800k 
He doesnt AWP nearly as much as either of these players and his team sets him up to finish rounds not open them up, just because his team allows him to shine in ways that arent opening kills (clutches) doesnt diminish the quality of his play
2018-08-20 20:16
I don't think you can read English either that, or you grew up in a hostile environment. I said "you judge" which means I only put the stats down to help the argument for both sides, and not starting a fight. I'm not sure how English was taught to you but not everything = starting a fight. You judge = you are free to make a decision.
2018-08-20 22:43
lol cold is still insane do u even watch the games?
2018-08-20 06:22
didnt read but 0/8
2018-08-20 01:19
#11
kennyS | 
United Kingdom Thijo_ 
didn’t read but 0/8
2018-08-20 01:23
+1.
2018-08-20 01:49
LG/sk was the best team when the other teams were trash, something like Gambit winning a major and immortals being 2nd, just a longer period of time, so cold is good but far from being the best of all times.
2018-08-20 01:25
nt zeves
2018-08-20 01:36
Wtf I'm not zeves
2018-08-20 01:38
#14
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Russia iMAGiNE777 
get right best ever
2018-08-20 01:28
#16
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Romania Ardei 
He won more personal achievements in 2 years than any other player in 4 years and thats a fact
2018-08-20 01:35
1. s1mple is the goat 2. gtr was the mvp of the major he won 3. cold is #6 in the history lol
2018-08-20 01:35
#29
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Brazil VeryColdGuy 
stopped on s1mple goat
2018-08-20 01:55
#30
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Denmark JustYes 
2. Friberg was the MVP of the major gtr won **
2018-08-20 01:56
+1 friberg was
2018-08-20 04:08
said guy who fanboy MIBR expected thread
2018-08-20 01:35
the best after Maniac
2018-08-20 01:39
+1
2018-08-20 02:11
#22
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United Kingdom SLurSs 
Most plays means nothing and Adren in a major MVP so that didn't mean much Olof or s1mple best
2018-08-20 01:41
#23
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Australia MattJKS 
hot is playing well this yeah!
2018-08-20 01:43
coldzera is the spirit, you can believe if you remember him
2018-08-20 02:06
Achievements are good but s1mple is superior to him in individual skill which is the most important.
2018-08-20 02:12
#35
Europe PHOM 
why coldzera and the best CS GO player of all time? I'll tell you, won two majors and was majors mvp 2 times, GeT_RiGhT won a major, no mvp, olofmeister won two majors, but was only mvp in one. Coldzera is the best in the world 2 times, only GeT_RiGhT has two, olofmeister only 1, Codzera has plays, there is no more legendary move than the 4k that originated the comeback in the liquid, in a major semifinal, also has the 4k clutch against mousesports , coldzera loaded a team on the back practically while the other 2 had very good teams, coldzera that was the jackass load to bring LG / SK to the top 1, coldzera 8 mvps, olof 6 mvps, GTR 10 mvps but cold came up out of nowhere, while GTR has emerged on a great team
2018-08-20 02:15
#37
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Sweden newerth4nu 
He won 2 tournaments in the slump era, grats
2018-08-20 02:27
Cold isn't the best player of all time, you can't be relevant for 3 years in a game that has been out for 6. You could say Cold is the best player from 2015 onwards and maybe you'd be right. Basing a GOAT status off mvp's, top 20 placings and majors, calling someone the greatest of all time is incredibly opinion oriented, in your mind he is, but to others he isn't. I don't think there is a best player of all csgo, it's impossible to say, gtr from his dominance in the first 2-3 years? Guardian/KennyS for keeping there top 20 spot 5 years running, S1mple for having the most undeniably dominant performance in 2018 and having the highest peak rating of any player? It's impossible to say, you should be open to more than awards alone
2018-08-20 04:07
#50
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United States TylerLib 
With the loss of Taco I think we have all seen he isn't the best. If he truly was the best he would be able to carry Mibr through games like S1mple does with Na'Vi, realistically. S1mple does it with in my opinion a much worse team. Therefore Cold and mibr should not have that issue. Closing statement: You're wrong.
2018-08-20 04:49
#52
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United States ShawnM 
Using your logic, JW and flusha are best of all time
2018-08-20 04:50
+1
2018-08-20 05:43
pronax too 😂😂😂
2018-08-20 06:10
#124
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Well flusha is a contender...
2018-08-22 22:29
Biggest b8 man, lul
2018-08-20 05:43
s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple s1mple
2018-08-20 06:23
olof is the goat
2018-08-20 16:02
#79
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Portugal RaiZeGod 
Coldzera without Taco is shit
2018-08-20 16:53
#80
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Portugal RaiZeGod 
And what about s1mple? S1mple > Baitzera
2018-08-20 16:54
#95
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Brazil spaark1 
simple better than cold?! damn, u high
2018-08-20 20:19
#98
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Portugal RaiZeGod 
Just watch now who is the best. Ask pro players..
2018-08-20 20:26
Olofmeister tho or Forest tbh
2018-08-20 16:57
#82
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United States ProudAmericas 
agree with u,
2018-08-20 17:01
#83
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United States VRGcarsonqi 
TACO is the best player of all time in csgo He deserves it after all the baiting
2018-08-20 17:03
I love this tipes of posts, its like: [PLAYER I LIKE] IS THE BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME(well... if you only look at csgo... and only to this years in particular... and this events in particular, and please, dont look at this event, this event is not relevant now...)
2018-08-20 17:08
0/8 coldzera in 2013 LUL coldzera in 2014 LUL coldzera in 2015 LUL
2018-08-20 17:14
#113
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Asia HLTV_BLYAT 
+1
2018-08-22 06:42
#87
REZ | 
Portugal Thebreaker 
GeT_RiGhT GoAt
2018-08-20 17:15
#91
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Russia iMAGiNE777 
Get_right is best of all time
2018-08-20 18:43
#94
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Brazil spaark1 
cold is #2 gtr is the best
2018-08-20 20:18
why coldzera and the best CS GO player of all time? I'll tell you, won two majors and was majors mvp 2 times, GeT_RiGhT won a major, no mvp, olofmeister won two majors, but was only mvp in one. Coldzera is the best in the world 2 times, only GeT_RiGhT has two, olofmeister only 1, Codzera has plays, there is no more legendary move than the 4k that originated the comeback in the liquid, in a major semifinal, also has the 4k clutch against mousesports , coldzera loaded a team on the back practically while the other 2 had very good teams, coldzera that was the jackass load to bring LG / SK to the top 1, coldzera 8 mvps, olof 6 mvps, GTR 10 mvps but cold came up out of nowhere, while GTR has emerged on a great team
2018-08-21 02:12
GTR #1 All time
2018-08-21 02:13
He is NOT... *Closed
2018-08-21 09:36
#109
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
If the only credible accolade to this claim is having two MVP's for both CS:GO Majors, as good as that is, it's not "all-time" in the slightest -- no even close. Both of those occurred in one year and he was the best player in the world at that time. That is it... No more, no less. Have a good day.
2018-08-21 13:49
+1 totally agree. Coldzera is THE CSGO legend
2018-08-22 06:38
#114
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Denmark Amoook 
Coldzera is the biggest eco fragger and baiter = not a legend Omega LUL
2018-08-22 06:49
Signed up 2018-05-12
2018-08-22 19:38
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