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1.6 players keep dominating
Peru dbie 
Even with a huge advantage of YEARS playing the same engine VeryGames (the best CSS team) lost 2-0 against NiP (featuring 3 of the best players to ever play CS). This 2-0 makes even more evident the superiority of 1.6 competition compared to CSS (which is the core of CSGO). As Fnatic did with Reason Gaming in 2009, our top players/teams keep dominating the guys from the other CS game. discuss.
2012-09-23 16:05
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+1 source skill wronK
2012-09-23 16:07
#3
Peru dbie 
oh snap, I forgot to mention that ALTERNATE 1.6 female won against ALTERNATE CSS :(
2012-09-23 16:09
xD
2012-09-23 16:15
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India h8or 
LOL. ALTERNATE.CSS male to be precise.
2012-09-23 16:17
#17
Peru dbie 
yeah, their male squad, alternate doesn't have CSS chicks.
2012-09-23 16:24
even CS1.6 player. All have retired i think
2012-09-23 17:05
every CSS player is a chick imo
2012-09-23 17:05
#212
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India sRik 
lol xD
2012-09-24 05:30
Have you ever met a girl irl ?
2012-09-24 14:25
#138
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Israel kLifOrdQ_o 
because in cs it matters if you are a man or a woman...
2012-09-23 19:37
#154
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India h8or 
So why we have separate tourneys for men and women?
2012-09-23 20:13
#156
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Israel kLifOrdQ_o 
dont know but esports should not have separate tournaments
2012-09-23 20:19
well they do , so.......ur point is invalid
2012-09-24 09:32
oh snap, you forgot to mention that this game was played on 1.6 ;))
2012-09-24 11:28
well CS 1.6 female's are very, very bad. So in 1.6, the CSS males are very, very, very, very bad. So it's actually a nice point anyways because I've seen many people on cadred/HLTV that actually believe CSS-players would be atleast semiprolevel in 1.6 ^^
2012-09-25 17:12
I don't think anybody thinks that. We've seen a lot of games like that in the past. CSSers getting 16-0'd on 1.6 and then the same guys 16-0'ing 1.6ers on their own game. Different games, i don't think it means anything. And yeah i think that alternate.css girls would beat the former 1.6male alternate crew on 1.6 too.
2012-09-26 12:46
" And yeah i think that alternate.css girls would beat the former 1.6male alternate crew on 1.6 too." what.
2012-09-26 15:16
Well i've seen a lot of people think that, so yeah.
2012-09-26 15:27
Just going to reply to you here, you are either a troll (a bad one :((( )or just really fucking retarded every single player of NiP and VG are saying its a new game, past game experience helps them but not as much as you retards want to think. first lan newgame lesshours you are a massive 1.6 fanboy get over it.
2012-09-24 14:26
And 2 source players dude
2012-09-23 16:09
implying nip would win against vg if they kick those two players and just add 2 more former 1.6 beasts
2012-09-23 16:10
Don't be mad
2012-09-24 02:51
#6
Peru dbie 
That are not even considered as top 30 CSS players? I'm not saying they are not part of NiP's win but its obvious the 1.6 side is much stronger in NiP.
2012-09-23 16:12
Right now friberg is better than both f0rest and gtr, and I'm talking about go
2012-09-23 16:18
Based on what? Why do you think he`s better? Are you seeing something I don`t?
2012-09-23 16:21
Its a little bit obvious
2012-09-23 16:23
How is it obvious? I don`t see anything that makes him better than both f0rest and get right. What is his attribute or skill that only he have and others don`t?
2012-09-23 16:51
Watch some streams
2012-09-23 16:59
I watch them. So?
2012-09-23 17:01
Get a clue
2012-09-23 17:02
I`m asking you for that. If you can`t explain his advantage in words then I doubt that there is any real reason to rate him higher than gtr, f0rest.
2012-09-23 17:06
As i said watch some streams, not a stream. I'm okay if you don't agree with me
2012-09-23 17:07
I see. I could repeat same as well, get right and f0rest have theyr own trump cards as well. I saw his decision making and playstyle well at VG vs NiP, however he`s not the only player with tricks in his bag.
2012-09-23 17:13
Dont mind him, he is doing the "css>cs1.6 because its better". Even if that means 2 random saucers > vg players. Also, he must have missed all the training they did, were both of them were sucking hard and forest, get right had to carry them ; even on this tournament forest was killing 2+ players in every buy round expect for the finals were get_right, xizt and forest were sharing the frags.
2012-09-23 17:33
u have no clue what so ever 1.6 fanboy spottet!
2012-09-24 19:43
No clue eh, I wasn`t even mentioning difference between games but trying to compare how they play as CS:GO players. And to claim that one player is better than others is something what has to be backed up with proper evidence. Each player may have different playstyle and skills, but just beign different doesn`t prove to be better and just beign specialized at something in game doesn`t prove him better. Because pretty much any top star player have something they`re exceptionally good at.
2012-10-01 00:03
According to stats xist and frorest are the best ones in NIP...
2012-09-23 18:03
probably on their PERFORMANCE IN CSGO fucking mongoloid
2012-09-23 21:57
#18
Peru dbie 
lol, don't make me laugh. friberg and fifflaren haven't won anything as CSS players, while GTR, f0rest and Xizt are known champions of 1.6 a much harder game. GTR and Xizt are the best in NiP, leaving stats aside. CS is not about the stats its a team game.
2012-09-23 16:27
I'm talking about cs:go and you again putting words in my mouth. I even said i was talking about go. Write something new besides 1.6
2012-09-23 16:28
#27
Peru dbie 
I'm talking about GO too, GTR and Xizt are the best NiP players in CSGO.
2012-09-23 16:31
Sure
2012-09-23 16:33
u are the reason ppl that dont come on HLTV stay away. stop being such an clueless idiot plz. u love 1.6 we get it, u have no clue about css we get that too. now plz fuck off. the forum would be a better place without ppl like u!
2012-09-24 19:45
I guess the 200K Dollar ish Fifflarn won in CGS is nothing.
2012-09-23 19:56
He won a tournament? Only one (1) tournament through his entire CSS career? That makes him as good as VeryGames that won like 48 of 52 events? You Saucers give the CGS too much importance. The CGS wasn't serious competition also, it only ran for 2 seasons and CSS wasn't competitive at the time.
2012-09-23 20:02
Wow are you rly that BLIND? Where did i wrote he only won one tournament? I just mentioned one of all the tournaments he won or placed rly good. But the fact stand that you are wrong saying that fifflarn have won nothing in CSS and are and was useless.
2012-09-24 05:42
Chill out, I'm asking questions, I do not follow the CSS scene. My statements come from what I've been asking around, most CSS players told me friberg and fifflaren haven't won big tournaments in CSS. That's why I'm asking you, what they've won in CSS? Do those tournaments make them on the level of the VeryGames guys? I honestly don't think so.
2012-09-24 18:00
you ruined your sentence with "of 1.6 a much harder game."
2012-09-24 15:59
gtr,xizt and forest top fraggers btw
2012-09-23 16:30
friberg better than gtr? you are either insane, blind or high. or any combination of them
2012-09-23 18:09
I was referring to fiflaren, the blonde dude. Got those 2 mixed up
2012-09-23 18:28
well that makes a lot more sense. imo gtr is better than fifflaren but maybe he is equal to forest. difficult to say since they have a completely different role in the team
2012-09-23 18:32
Its arguable
2012-09-23 18:44
#213
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India sRik 
lol the caster who was sauce player himself wasnt supporting friberg. what you talking about?
2012-09-24 05:33
I was talking about fifflaren. My bad
2012-09-24 09:16
#225
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
cl_ueless. GeT_StAtS
2012-09-24 10:40
From one tournament? I won't even bother
2012-09-24 10:55
#233
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
Yeah. So for one tournament, the 1.6 players were better. So where are you getting the info that the source players were better from? From gathers or something? Idiot..
2012-09-24 11:18
I'm not trying to say that Source are better than 1.6. Give it a break
2012-09-24 11:39
#239
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
"Right now friberg is better than both f0rest and gtr, and I'm talking about go" Why are you blatantly lying?
2012-09-24 11:42
#117
2012-09-24 13:00
#243
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
fifflaren is good, but saying he was better than the 1.6 players is wrong. I would say it's GeT_RiGhT, f0rest and fifflaren atm.
2012-09-24 13:10
#7
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India h8or 
I actually thought that VG have an edge over NiP considering the fact that they are more used to these maps and Source engine. But turns out that 1.6 players skill and experience is just too good for Saucers atm. If Na'Vi, fnatic, ESC step in...game over for VG. Oh and NiP dont even have an AWP atm. I wish they go back to their old lineup with face and Delpan. That would be totally sick!
2012-09-23 16:16
#10
Peru dbie 
Yeah, I feel Delpan would wreck teams in GO atm.
2012-09-23 16:18
train and nuke were basically two new maps for both teams
2012-09-23 17:51
#187
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Finland FRGVN 
+1 & the source engine doesnt mean shit. (saying as a 1.6er)
2012-09-23 21:33
cs:go is so eazy when you're good in 1.6, I only played GO few hours on publics and im like always on top, and even the guns cmon 1.6 you buy ak or m4 or awp, now you can dominate a server with a aug and sg or stupid p90 I really like the game its fun to play but it can and will never replace 1.6 simple as that
2012-09-23 16:21
Ah you topped a few public servers, you must be an amazing player.
2012-09-23 20:03
thats why I mentioned the public part its not that I played any lan already but my point is simple if your aim and gameplay was good in 1.6 it will (probably) be good in cs:go at first it looks alot different but you can addapt very fast
2012-09-24 07:27
Same applies for CSS players though
2012-09-24 21:05
why is it bad taht you can use more than 3 weapons u fuckin mongo
2012-09-24 18:06
kido please language...dont be such a hater ur just a 12yr old girl and I never said it was bad I only said the game became more random -> when you used to dominate with ak/m4 now players can switch to any other gun and become very good at it, its a big difference then the last 12yrs in cs, and it looks more like CoD now! and Zak yeah ofcourse also css players will have some advantage, but still when you used to be good at 1.6 css was an eazy switch same with csgo
2012-09-25 07:23
friberg was their best player and fifflaren is calling, dont worry though guys 1.6 > !!!
2012-09-23 16:21
#20
Peru dbie 
actually GTR and Xizt are by far the best in NiP, even leaving stats aside.
2012-09-23 16:27
Yet Fifflaren, a SOURCE player is their caller. I like how you say to leave stats aside, and the reason you're doing that is because when you look at them, you can see that Fifflaren and friberg are on par with their teammates. This isn't a victory for Source or 1.6, it's a victory for the new 1.6/Source hybrid teams, which is great to see.
2012-09-23 16:33
#47
World Kobs 
Xizt is amazing igl , once they know well the game i would not be surpised they kick the 2 source players for players such as moddi face delpan.. if they fail at some events some change will be done and we can be sure it s the 2 source player that will get kicked ...and they also need awp master
2012-09-23 16:57
Face will be in mTw alongside Delpan. They've already said they are not changing the team.
2012-09-23 16:57
#53
World Kobs 
yep but they would come back to nip wihtout doupt if they get a offer i think, more money , better team mates...
2012-09-23 16:59
#49
Peru dbie 
nope, its a team game, I don't take seriously 1.6 stats either. usually support/rotation players (in other words: smart players) don't get as many frags as madfraggers/backup players/awpers. I take more in consideration their smart plays, clutches and retakes. If you have been following the 1.6 scene the last 2 years you would know that incredible players like kalle or karrigan usually don't dominate the stats of their teams, thats why I won't take seriously what a frag centered method of classify players might say.
2012-09-23 16:53
At the end of the day, Fifflaren is still the caller (I have to say thi again since you just introduced tactical elements of the game, the most taxing of which is being a CALLER). Friberg showed his level of play on Nuke_ve when he had to clutch against NBK. You have taken nothing about these two players into consideration because you're hellbent on trashing GO and Source, and glorifying 1.6. Guess what? I respect 1.6, but it's time is done and GO is here whether you like it or not. If you do dislike it, then leave, most of us could care less about your opinion.
2012-09-23 16:56
#55
Peru dbie 
In one of the replies I said that they are obviously part of the win, but the 1.6 is the most dominant part of NiP. I had to make it clear in the first post though, my bad.
2012-09-23 16:59
oh god, take the win and justs shut the fuck up you gloating little asshole
2012-09-23 16:22
#188
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Finland FRGVN 
+1
2012-09-23 21:34
That was a tournament with like 2 top teams of CS:GO. It's not even sure if these are the best teams right now since there wasn't a tournament yet with a lot of them. Dominating? 16:12 and 16:10..wake up...
2012-09-23 16:26
#23
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India h8or 
Well, NiP is the legendary CS:GO team.(As some sauce fan created a thread like this)
2012-09-23 16:29
#24
Peru dbie 
which is translated to 2-0 against a team that has been playing a much similar game in the same engine through their entire careers. its not a secret that 1.6 has much tougher competition and its very different from what CSS/CSGO is. This win shows yet again how superior are the 1.6 players and thats all.
2012-09-23 16:29
#31
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India h8or 
And considering the fact that NiP were on the disadvantage with the new engine and maps, just imagine if they were as fluent as in 1.6, VG wouldnt even cross 5 rounds.
2012-09-23 16:31
So why would you call it 1.6 guys dominating the CS:GO scene? It's one team and in the final friberg was on the third, means get_right on the 4th. Where is the domination then? You just can't say that 1.6 is dominating it. At least not yet. After hating CS:GO it's now time to celebrate the 1.6 guys for you?
2012-09-23 16:40
#45
Peru dbie 
stats don't say a shit about a teamgame.
2012-09-23 16:46
youre just interested in saying that the 1.6 players are better, no matter how many arguments against it people post. fine, its your opinion. w.e
2012-09-23 17:54
#99
Peru dbie 
I actually believe stats don't say a thing about a team game, I'm a huge fan of support/rotation players like LoordB, gob b, kalle, ins, zeus, starix and similar players that do not get much glory for the dirty work they do for their teams.
2012-09-23 17:57
im not even going to dignify that. zeus, starix and gob b not getting glory? wow...
2012-09-23 18:00
obviously not as GTR, f0rest, Neo, HeatoN, Xizt, Dosia, fRoD, etc.
2012-09-23 18:02
a. 5 top Sourcers win against 5 top Sourcers in a Source engine game = means nothing for 1.6 b. 5 top 1.6ers win against 5 top Sourcers in a Source engine game = total domination of 1.6 c. 3 top 1.6ers + 2 top Sourcers win against 5 top Sourcers in a Source engine game = 1.6 pretty dominating d. 3 top 1.6ers + 2 mid Sourcers win against 5 top Sourcers in a Source engine game = 1.6 dominating e. 5 noob 1.6ers win against 5 top Sourcers in a Source engine game = Sourcers are retards NiP win against VG = d
2012-09-23 19:08
Doesn't make sense since it's another game. It's SOURCE ENGINE but who cares it doesn't matter at all. -_- Did you test CSP? It's source engine as well but its feeling exactly or lets say 99% like 1.6.
2012-09-23 19:13
CSP is tweaked purposedly to be felt like 1.6, while CSGO isn't. CSGO feels way more like Source than 1.6.
2012-09-23 19:28
So tell me what is source like in CS:GO? :D
2012-09-23 19:34
Feel as crappy.
2012-09-23 19:40
you don't even know what are you talking about, first things first, CSGO is more similiar in terms of gameplay to 1.6 than to Source, in CSS there's no slowing on hits like in GO/1.6, recoil patterns in GO are 1.6ish. Nuke (even _ve) and train are much different from Source as well as 1.6, the only things that're closer to Source are granade physics and graphics, which aren't a biggie to be honest. NiP won now, that doesn't mean they will win next time for sure. You're just a fanboy, aren't you?
2012-09-23 22:08
stopped reading after 'CSGO is more similar in terms of gameplay to 1.6'. I really doubt you have ever tried 1.6.
2012-09-23 22:11
i only played it for something like 300 hours, so no, I guess?
2012-09-23 22:12
they got things in common, sure, but they are not similar, CSS is much more similar to GO.
2012-09-23 22:14
no, it isn't, stop deluding yourself
2012-09-23 22:15
lol, please explain me in what way 1.6 is more similar to GO than CSS.
2012-09-23 22:17
I already did in my first reply to you, you didn't read it, did you?
2012-09-23 22:19
okay, so tagging (the slow) is the only thing 1.6 and go got in common. The GO recoil is not 1.6esque, it is completely different to whatever you think the 1.6 recoil is. The official valve maps are more similar to CSS than to 1.6, just look at nuke, inferno and dust2. Nuke_ve is not a Valve map, it was made by Sal Volcano Garozzo. The grenade physics are exactly like CSS, as well as the fact that you don't have to buy bullets. As you see it is much more similar to CSS than it is to 1.6
2012-09-23 22:31
Haters gonna hate
2012-09-23 16:27
1.6 (1) - (0) CSS
2012-09-23 16:30
#36
Peru dbie 
the score is like 10 - 0 tbh SK won against CSS teams in CPH ALTERNATE female 1.6 won against ALTERNATE CSS Fnatic won against Reason Gaming in CSP A 1.6 mix won against Dynamic (the best NA CSS team) in the ESWC CSGO qualifiers. etc etc
2012-09-23 16:33
it has nothing to do with the engine....it has everything to do with the metagame that evolved for a much longer time in 1.6. 1.6 competitors are used to playing with much higher stakes and at a much higher level that evolved for twice as long as source. experience goes a long way in lan competition, you place too much emphasis on the game engine.
2012-09-23 17:08
#82
Peru dbie 
I'm looking it from a 1.6 player perspective.
2012-09-23 17:29
#226
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
"Too much emphasis on the engine". LOL! It's the fucking game engine, ofcourse there is a LOT of emphasis. And don't act like the source pros are noobs. They are all experienced tournament players.
2012-09-24 10:42
implying alternate.css is worth shit, csp == 1.6, so that's no argument
2012-09-23 22:10
Yeah, NiP played really well, individually 1.6 has way more skilled players than source. Being on the source engine means nothing, the game feels completely different to both CSS and 1.6, NiP just played better.
2012-09-23 16:31
#38
Peru dbie 
meh, the engine is a huge factor. the 1.6 players had to get used to a completely new game, VeryGames hadn't, not even to the maps since they are much more similar to Source.
2012-09-23 16:38
It's a big factor, but when they game is unlike any previous version then why does it matter? Both teams had to get used to a new game. Source maps are the same as 1.6, apart from scale. Train and Nuke are both completely different to 1.6 and the source versions.
2012-09-23 17:26
You are the most stupid person I've ever encountered on this website.
2012-09-23 16:31
he truly is :D His 14 years only tho
2012-09-23 16:41
#189
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Finland FRGVN 
:D lol
2012-09-23 21:41
I know people who were pretty smart at 14 years of age, he'll be probably as stupid at 20+
2012-09-23 22:20
Dbie you fricken retard. Both GTR and forest admint that friberg is the best player in the team...... Xizt admited that fiflaren is better than gtr and himself in an interview...........
2012-09-23 16:31
#32
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India h8or 
Thats called giving respect. Ofcourse they cant say they are the best players of the team you fricken retard.
2012-09-23 16:32
#40
Peru dbie 
LOL, I hope you're joking. If you would have seen the match you would know what is really the truth. To me at least Xizt and GTR were the best in NiP by a lot, friberg and fifflaren were solid but not as good.
2012-09-23 16:41
Was sad to see VG getting rampaged on every aspect. However i wasnt expecting NIP to lose an single match in 2012 anyways.
2012-09-23 16:32
#43
Peru dbie 
I was really expecting more from VeryGames because they had been used to a much similar game to GO, NiP on the other hand has 3 players that had been playing on a much older engine.
2012-09-23 16:43
Source is hardly similar to GO. Stop your idiotic dribble please.
2012-09-23 16:46
#50
Peru dbie 
the engine is the same the maps are almost the same the radar is the same the money system is the same the movement is almost the same most weapons are about the same etc etc
2012-09-23 16:55
The engine being the same obviously has no effect because I played Source for four years before moving to GO, and it's a completely different ballfield. train, nuke_se? HELLO? Mirage was introduced and that is primarily a 1.6 map. wrong, radar is different. Wrong, 900 for an SMG kill? Doesn't happen in Source, you obviously are making stupid assumptions. The movement is different too. Weapons are completely different ROFL. The way they handle is nothing like Source. Now be quiet.
2012-09-23 16:59
Like seriously this dude is not even funny anymore, its almost sad to read his comments how bad he wants to defend 1.6
2012-09-23 17:01
#70
Peru dbie 
lemme rephrase that: the radar's concept is exactly the same the official maps are based on the CSS maps the kill bonuses are not exactly what I meant, you don't have to buy ammo in GO, exactly what happens in CSS (ammo is a relevant factor in 1.6, experienced teams would know) the movement feels weird and slippery, exactly like CSS used to be (haven't tested that game in a couple of years). the pistols are OP, exactly what happened in Source, do not tell me I'm wrong cuz the deagle is exactly as OP as it was in CSS.
2012-09-23 17:11
The radar has a few tweaks to it which you would understand if you'd ever played Source in-depth, which you haven't. Dust2? Pretty much. Inferno? A bit different. Nuke and Train? What are you smoking they are different for us as well. You didn't explain that at all, and really, that's an unnecessary thing to have in GO. The movement is nothing like Source. You just said you haven't played it in a couple of years. I'm going to stop here and laugh at you. Regardless of how the pistols act in _THIS GAME_, you cannot compare them to the previous games. You're wrong. Deal with it.
2012-09-23 17:42
#227
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
I've played both recently, and it is actually a lot more like source than 1.6. I'm not saying it's exactly the same as source, but the shooting whilst running, and the awping, are very similar to source (excluding no-scoping, that's just godAWFUL). 1.6's don't have radar either, so aren't used to looking up to see enemies. and the grenades and model sizes are very similar to source. and Inferno is awful :D:D
2012-09-24 10:45
The shooting whilst running though... no one utilizes that in Source aside from pub noobs :P. The awping is very much different! You have to be perfectly still in this game to make the shot dead accurate, whereas in Source you could just tap the A or D key and shoot straight away. Plus there was none of this silly blur in the scope. Granted with the radar, that is very different compared to 1.6. I saw a community-made version of Inferno recently, it looks great :D, hopefully the map workshop comes up soon!
2012-09-24 17:59
#266
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
Atleast both communities can agree in harmony that inferno is shite :) I am still getting used to not being the only person from UK here too ha
2012-09-24 18:59
Haha, well at least that won't be the "official" version of inferno for long, plenty of new versions coming out. Well someone had to pop up sometime, right? haha
2012-09-24 21:24
In what way is ammo a relevant factor in 1.6? You don't need more than 60 bullets in any auto wep, unless you're duty is to wallbang...
2012-09-24 14:08
its a factor for the economy of your team, not buying/saving bullets in certain situations can spiral into give you weapons later on.
2012-09-24 17:55
hahaha are you serious right now? Cmon..
2012-09-25 17:43
Yes, 100% serious, it is more evident in the first few rounds though. Check this example out: forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthrea..
2012-09-25 17:52
I've played CS since 2002 and not yet have I stumpled across that problem, that if I just saved my bullets I would be able to buy an AK. That's why I don't see ammo as a factor in 1.6 but yea.. I mean I can see the point, but ive never really faced the problem before..
2012-09-25 19:23
It is a problem for CS:GO cuz you don't need to buy bullets on that game (it's exactly like Source).
2012-09-25 19:48
The money system is the same? Holy crap you are one stupid little fan boy
2012-09-23 17:00
#73
Peru dbie 
conceptually, I meant no ammo. I forgot about the kill bonuses which are completely stupid and I hope they get removed/balanced soon. check #70
2012-09-23 17:13
The things you wrote in #70 are more stupid than 900$ per round
2012-09-23 17:16
#77
Peru dbie 
per kill* dumb
2012-09-23 17:18
yeah, dude the game is just as similar to 1.6 as it is to source. you are being completely and willfully ignorant.
2012-09-23 17:05
It's not css, aswell not like 1.6, it's rather new game css players don't have such a drastic advantage...I dont know what you wanna say with your comment's, you don't need to act like 12yo child...
2012-09-23 17:09
I actually hate css but your a nut. Its a new game..................dud there no reason to bring 1.6 and css into it..........It was such a close game though despite the scores, Kennys is best awper in the game hands down, maybe even the best in the whole game.
2012-09-23 16:32
#44
Peru dbie 
I agree that kennyS is bomb with AWP but we've got to wait till DHW to see more from other teams to really tell if he's the best ATM.
2012-09-23 16:45
Close game a 2-0? Roflmao. Oh, so you dont want him to make hasty conclusion over a new game yet you say vgs awpers is the best, good one. Wonder how long will u ,saucers, last knowing that , according to your logic, 2 random saucers + 3 good 1.6 players are enough to beat the best css team ever.
2012-09-23 17:43
You do know that a game ending with a result of 25-23, 19-17 (with overtimes, obviously) for one team, would still be a 2-0 on paper, but still a close game? You are aware of the fact that results doesn't always give a correct picture of how close a game was (i.e. someone could lose 16-9, but if they lost 7x 1on1 situations, having everything go against them, it's still not a stomp)? ..sigh
2012-09-24 10:19
of course they dominate
2012-09-23 16:42
last I checked, NIP is made up of 5 cs:go players. they dont play 1.6 or source anymore....
2012-09-23 17:04
This.
2012-09-23 17:09
is
2012-09-24 21:32
SPARTA
2012-09-25 04:25
Dbie you sometimes come across as fricken idiot, thats coz your passon of 1.6 gets in the way. Maybe you should ease up and keep an open mind :>.
2012-09-23 17:06
And also dbie maybe you should leave 1.6 and css out of it. Its now CS:GO :>
2012-09-23 17:09
To the HLTV admins: Why dbie has not been banned yet?
2012-09-23 17:19
ive wondered the same myself
2012-09-23 17:19
Why? He is just saying the truth. You want him banned only because the truth is hurting you? cya kiddo!
2012-09-23 17:32
No its not the truth its just useless dribble, that makes no sense. Which not only hurting the future of fps esports its destroying the unity of the forums/game. Its also false to. Ive been in the 1.6 community for so long and people like that have shittest attitude towards this social paradigm and it makes you look like a neive runt.
2012-09-23 17:35
Only one hurting esports was valve when they decided to split the cs community by releasing css hoping to get 1.6 casual players, which they did. I mean, according to you guys, css was better than 1.6 even if later top css players said that it wasnt tournament rdy and was worse than 1.6 on a competitive standpoint. And now after css has failed pretty hard you come to a 1.6 centric site to complain about an old school user as if this were a css focused site makes me laugh.
2012-09-23 17:50
#87
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India h8or 
Cuz he says the facts?
2012-09-23 17:33
If he was banned, you wouldn't be replying and generating traffic. Traffic on the internet means ad income. Any form(good/bad) of publicity is good publicity.
2012-09-23 17:35
you dont know how websites work
2012-09-23 17:38
enlight me!
2012-09-23 17:51
Yea, dbie is inviting gazillions of new users to the site.
2012-09-23 18:15
lolol at the UK/saucers guys crying because the almighty css team lost to a 1.6 team with few months.
2012-09-23 17:28
No source player cares who wins or loses... 1.6 players logic is just flawed in the fact that its a new game and some legendary names of 1.6 beat VG. Was a great game and I love the fact we can see both 1.6 and CSS players coming up against each other but stop this pathetic babbling that one team beating another means something in terms of how skilled 1.6 players are... THE GAME THEY COME FROM MEANS FUCK ALL. If they are good at gaming, they are good at gaming. CS1.6 has a bigger pool to select from, that is about it. Playing 1.6 doesn't make your reactions or brain capacity any bigger than if you played source. M O R O N S.
2012-09-24 14:28
You are my hero.
2012-09-24 18:01
nice way to make an excuse oh yea nobody in the css scene cares if 1.6 teams are a level ahead. (typical excuse of losers) it's like working out properly for 12 years (1.0 - 1.6 scene) (and maintaining it), as opposed to working out poorly and with low weights for 6 years (source). just going to point out 1.6 top players > your source top players, and i know you are a fanboy of saucies. in the end whine more, there's only 5 of you brits with your opinion on hltv.
2012-09-25 03:06
Yeah again you miss the point completely like an obvious American with shit education... I'm technically a cod4 fan (played cod1 - cod4, then moved to Css for friends/fun. I've watched 1.6 tournaments and there's no doubt that the guys at the top have insane reactions and skill. But that still doesn't make them better at FPS gaming than everyone else. Each individual person will have a different level of natural ability and there is absolutely no argument that 1.6 players are some how super human compared to the rest of the Fps community, it's just some pathetic excuse to make the amateur players feel like they are superior because that's their game of choice... this is proven by NIPs mix up of players (player> previous game). But still the only response I'm going to get is "sauce noob" so GG won't change any of your opinions.
2012-09-25 08:15
yea i guess taking an engineering degree in mechanical engineering is a bad education at a public university.
2012-09-25 19:07
How can someone taking such a technical and methodical degree come out with that babbling bullshit you posted above? Have you actually read what you wrote? If you put forward an actual argument for why 1.6 players are some how gifted compared to every other person on the planet, I'll happily bow down at your superior intellect and gaming skill.
2012-09-25 19:39
its simple, when you play in the toughest environment you will come out stronger. its a simple concept of whoever has more experience wins. nip has more. done.
2012-09-25 22:48
That's not an accurate theory though. You can look at football for example. The premiership is deemed the best league in the world (in terms of competition), yet a number of the worlds best play outside of the premiership. No doubt a tough environment means you will push yourself, but theres no backing up the fact that CSS/COD4 isn't a tough environment. This skill ceiling you guys talk of means nothing in a different game. The fact is, if there is competition in ANY game, people will push themselves to win.
2012-09-26 15:01
#83
Canada xb0y 
NIP clearly outclassed VG in first half of Nuke. 12-3 against best CS:S team.
2012-09-23 17:30
1.6 humiliated the sAucers again... I feel sorry for the sAucers in here haha
2012-09-23 17:33
You didnt even watch the game lol it was so close desipite the score. Its a shame fnatic, esc and na vi wont be at the level of vg and nip. They are going to convert to late. Like what happenened in sc2 where brood war players converted to late and now they are getting dominated by sc2 players.
2012-09-23 17:37
it's going to take some time but I don't think it's gonna be too hard to catch up eventually. Plus fnatic only has young aim monsters, I got a feeling that they can do well on GO too
2012-09-23 17:48
who da fuck cares. there're 5 active teams in this shitty game and some fanbois are spaying cum everywhere just because they are fanabois.
2012-09-23 18:07
#228
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
He obviously cares, cause he has posted, so keep ur stupid pointless comments to yourself. Moron.
2012-09-24 10:49
I watched the game, and what I saw was a supposedly experienced team making mindbogglingly basic errors again and again, allowing the supposedly unprepared team to win using boring, predictable strategies.
2012-09-23 19:54
im sure fnatic will be the best in Go too once they make the switch
2012-09-23 20:03
1. neo goes to cs:go tournament 2. neo vs nip 3. neo 16:0 nip mark my words
2012-09-23 17:57
+1
2012-09-23 18:39
#229
dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
+1. Neo is TOO naturally GIFTED!
2012-09-24 10:50
ITT: little child starts a thread thinking people will back him up. no one backs him up and posts reason as to why hes wrong. little child gets defensive and starts making up things to prove hes right. everyone realizes hes being stupid on purpose and ignores him.
2012-09-23 17:58
Oh, didnt see you replying to the csgo>1.6, css> 1.6, good graphics > gameplay , vg> all , vg will rape nip and so on. But you reply to this post, gj saucer.
2012-09-23 18:04
nt troll, move on
2012-09-23 18:06
#110
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India h8or 
mad retard.
2012-09-23 18:07
nt troll#2, move on
2012-09-23 18:09
good reply saucer your about to reach the " everyone realizes hes being stupid on purpose and ignores him" .
2012-09-23 18:10
you keep calling me a saucer when i only played it like 20 hours total and have 1.5k hours of 1.6 troll attempt failed
2012-09-23 18:38
Oh dont get defensive, ppl will soon realize your being stupid on purpose and ignore you. But keep on ignoring all the shit your fellow saucers friends post and focus on what we post.
2012-09-23 18:42
keep pretending youre not a troll with that name
2012-09-23 19:02
Oh now you are on the " starts making up things to prove hes right " step.
2012-09-23 19:18
lmao@csgo
2012-09-23 18:05
everyone with brain always knew saucers suck.
2012-09-23 18:12
1.6 > go
2012-09-23 18:21
3 from 1.6 2 from cs source ?
2012-09-23 19:07
fifflaren and friberg are not considered to be top 30 source players. VG are the best team with the best players and they got 2-0'd by NiP, a team with mostly ex 1.6 stars.
2012-09-23 19:16
are you fucking joking? LOL friberg and Fifflaren are not top 30 players? Theres a time and a place for making retarded statements I guess
2012-09-23 19:28
they are not successful css players and by the opinion of the source players I asked about this they are not even considered as top 30 players. Something that doesn't surprise me because the CSS scene was dominated by only a couple of teams (Reason and VeryGames) with some others behind them (mTw & mouz for example), none of the known teams featured friberg nor fifflaren. But if you want to, you can mention their accomplishments (tournament wins).
2012-09-23 19:52
stop being such an idiot to listen to, ur sooo embarrasing, im getting embarrased just reading what u write.. u have no clue about css, i can tell that by looking at yuor posts. an ur a HUGE 1.6 fanboy. block GO news plz gettting rly tired off u on this forum. RLY STOP EMBARRASING URSELF!!!
2012-09-24 19:41
Oh you mean those 2 random saucers that were never top players/ achieve a thing on css, good one.
2012-09-23 19:21
that 2 random saucers that was 2 of the best players in css history and best css swedish players ? yes, those two
2012-09-24 18:21
#126
Ukraine yxo 
the result is obvious, never sources players by skill does not fit the players 1.6. NIP will be the best in this shit until the top players 1.6 does not start to play this shit.
2012-09-23 19:09
#311
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Azerbaijan Talley 
google translate is strong with this one
2012-09-30 22:43
#129
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Finland FRGVN 
god people are stupid. wtf is this thread anyway?
2012-09-23 19:17
#132
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Finland FRGVN 
btw NBK said they checked NiP's steam profiles and they all had 300-500 hours of CS:GO and their team 50-200 and they expected to lose the final.. whether not its true or not just give it a rest PLS. I'm a 1.6er but as all of us saw they were not that much worse than NiP!
2012-09-23 19:21
Keep on with the excuses, for some reason most of the saucers are doing the same, i heard "x" that couldve given the advantage to nip but lets move on, as if saying that would make it less of an excuse. Nt nonetheless.
2012-09-23 19:29
#144
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Finland FRGVN 
#143
2012-09-23 19:49
excuses as usual, lol.
2012-09-23 19:41
#143
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Finland FRGVN 
rofl u must be really dumb for thinking I'm making the excuses or I would be defending VG. NBK said those things and I think it's a good so called "excuse" since the game has just begun! Everyone hasnt had the same amount of time to practice the tricks of the game. 16-12 & 16-10 in the final isnt exactly what I call 1.6er domination, more like a close match between the best source team and 3 extremely good 1.6ers+2 source players.. If u even bothered to watch the game u would've seen those close rounds especially in the first map where VG found themselves down 0-7 that there was 2-3 winnable rounds with 1on1 or such clutch situations that just turned against them and fucked up the economy. Also I said that give it a rest and lets see what happens in the future. I'm a 1.6er who likes CS:GO so if u don't like the game.. don't watch it & don't play it. simple as that.
2012-09-23 19:49
the domination comes since the very first time a css team and a 1.6 team played against each other. Also a 2-0 is a very clear sign that NiP is much more superior than VG. ...and I did watch the game thats why I opened this topic when the match had finished, I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
2012-09-23 19:55
#149
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Finland FRGVN 
well u must know then that for an example VG won over ROCKSTAR (face, get_right, f0rest, fifflaren, friberg) 16-5 or something. Why didn't you make a topic about that saying "Source players dominating 1.6ers" cos that sounds more like crushing numbers to me..? In the end NiP was not far superior than VG, they were just ever so slightly better. looking forward to other events and this clash again, if both of em make it to the finals since there is a lot of good teams out there that are yet to be seen in the lan events such as CARAMBA, ROCCAT, 4Kings, Mousesports, Winfakt, mTw, Millenium, Alternate, Prospects, Team X & Reason. Sit back & enjoy the ride.
2012-09-23 20:01
VG won against ROCKSTAR online. Even ESC is terrible online in 1.6. ESC almost got eliminated from the IEM 6 WC online qualifier (which they ended up winning beating Na'Vi 2-0 in the final).
2012-09-23 20:04
#158
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Finland FRGVN 
and what did Kuben say at the final when asked about their preparations for the event? He said they practiced 5 days straight like maniacs to prepare for the event when they heard they got a spot. btw IEM6 WC had a lot of GC's to qualify from and yeah, they're not online. Anyway I still would appreciate if people would give the subject a rest and just enjoy the ride from whats coming up in the future. No one knows if there might be an epic bo3 Grand Final coming up between these two in the ESWC and VG coming out on top this time with the slightest margin possible. Who knows?
2012-09-23 20:22
About ESC, they didn't qualify on any of those GC. They played really bad on those events. CheckSix.us for some reason had dropped the event and IEM had to make an online qualifier to find a replacing team, thats how ESC barely qualified online just to end up winning the entire thing on LAN.
2012-09-23 20:30
#172
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Finland FRGVN 
yeah after not qualifying on LAN either.. :) which doesnt support your statement of them being only bad online. I know some teams under perform on lan and they say ESC is one of em.. well yes, occasionally.. but they've got their asses kicked on the IEM GC's even by Winfakt.fi..
2012-09-23 20:33
they've had worse online streaks though, they've got 16-0'd by DTS on tuscan if I remember correctly.
2012-09-23 20:37
#175
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Finland FRGVN 
yeah 16-0 by DTS is correct.. but DTS played strong in that match(watched it LIVE) and they overran other teams aswell during that time period.
2012-09-23 20:39
#157
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India h8or 
How did VG won against ROCKSTAR then? If playing less CS:GO is actualy the reason for their loss now? I guess they would have 1 hr of CS:GO that time...right? STOP CRYING DUDE.
2012-09-23 20:20
#160
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Finland FRGVN 
oh, Indian.. :) I was totally scared by your dumb comment before I noticed. oh and the comment doesnt even make sense if u've read all the comments :) thank you and good night.. must be bed time:)
2012-09-23 20:25
#162
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India h8or 
Yep. I guess no argument left for you blind fanboy.
2012-09-23 20:27
#165
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Finland FRGVN 
blind fanboy of what or who? :DD I was cheering for NiP and wished the best of luck4GTR @ steam before the second map BUT VG could've blown some fresh air in to the scene with a win. So the winner rly did not matter all that much 4me :)
2012-09-23 20:29
#168
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India h8or 
Good, then you should stop replying now.
2012-09-23 20:30
#170
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Finland FRGVN 
hmm I were the one to reply to u in the first place? good god.
2012-09-23 20:31
#161
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Finland FRGVN 
and oh, u havent realized that the match was played before NiP was completely formed and neither one of the teams had any practice hours together? Thats the way VG was superior in the match up vs. ROCKSTAR :) They were a team(on CSS) as of Rockstar was a mix at that point.
2012-09-23 20:28
#164
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India h8or 
f0rest, GTR, face had played together in SK for so long and friberg and fliffaren had played together in sauce for so long. They are still a team in CSGO, the same they were few months ago.
2012-09-23 20:29
#167
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Finland FRGVN 
and? VG had dominated for 4years in CS:S.. that makes them a team not 3x1.6 + 2xCS:S mix :)
2012-09-23 20:30
#171
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India h8or 
Dude, so 3x1.6 + 2xCS:S mix in 3 months became superior than a team which has played consistently for 4 years together? I agree that there is a difference between 100 hrs and 300hrs. But 100hrs still means around 1 month of CS:GO per player which i guess is quite enough to know the basics of the game considering the fact that the game is on source engine. Also doesnt it make sense for 1.6 players to play 300 hrs of CS:Go to get used to Source engine? I think 300hrs for 1.6 player =100 hr of Source player for CS:GO. Plus, replying to #169, even NiP didnt had xizt for 10 days before the tourney.
2012-09-23 20:35
#173
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Finland FRGVN 
no. get your facts straight, VG hasnt had the same lineup all those 4years... actually not even close. And no the 300hrs/100rs bullshit is not as u said since, its fairly easy as a 1.6 player to get used to source engine, I managed to get used to it just in 2days by playing 20 hours CS:GO
2012-09-23 20:37
#177
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India h8or 
Really? then what about Verygames? They played 50-200 hrs. ROFL. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. AND THE WINNER AFTER SUCCESSFULLY PWNING A SOURCE TROLL IS PIYUSH FROM INDIA. *CLAP CLAP*
2012-09-23 20:42
#178
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Finland FRGVN 
umm what is your point since I'm a 1.6 player and they are source players.. and my point was about getting used to the source engine, not to the game itself. God, why did you create all these retards? give me a sign! --Edit-- plus 50-200hrs against 300-500hrs makes a pretty big difference when it comes down to teamplay of a new game and not just the individual adapting to the game.
2012-09-23 20:42
#181
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India h8or 
Good day sis. I pwned you left and right and proved you as well as NBK wrong. Gudbye!!!11ONEONE!
2012-09-23 20:43
#183
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Finland FRGVN 
haha only one explanation to all this madness.. India and ofc lets not forget the old joke, IGC2012 :)
2012-09-23 20:47
#184
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India h8or 
Luv u bro. Gud day.
2012-09-23 20:49
#182
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Finland FRGVN 
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. AND THE WINNER AFTER SUCCESSFULLY PWNING A SOURCE TROLL IS PIYUSH FROM INDIA. *CLAP CLAP* ^----------------- ur rly out of your mind since I've played 1.6(and the older versions) since the end of 1999 and then changed to CS:GO almost entirely like 1 month ago cause I like the game. Not necessarily meaning that the game is better but its atm more fun & fresh. Getting bored by 1.6. Oh and yes I did play about 3 days of Source back in what was it.. 2009 or something? in Venatiogaming which was ranking1 in the finnish CLANBASE scene(not going to argue, there were others better than that) at the time.
2012-09-23 20:45
#169
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Finland FRGVN 
yeah did I say they are not a team in CS:GO? they were a team on CS:S at that point, they still went to CS:S tournaments during CS:GO practices like 1 week backwards.
2012-09-23 20:31
You remind me those brainless noobs fanboys who said the team they support is "much more superior" because they just won ONE match against the other team. No serious, doode. P.S : I'm not defending VG and I'm not defending source, I'm an 1.6 player & NIP is my favourite team.
2012-09-23 21:54
read the first post, I'm not only talking about this match, I'm talking about the entire history as well.
2012-09-23 21:56
Yeah, I agree with your first post. I just reply to this : "Also a 2-0 is a very clear sign that NiP is much more superior than VG." If you're talking about this match, maybe you should have use past tense, like "Also a 2-0 is a very clear sign that NiP WAS much more superior than VG." But I understood what you meant. But I really think that VG will beat NIP anytime soon. I live in France, I know them and ex6tence is an amazing leader in-game. I think he'll find the weakness in NIP's strategies. I hope my english skill is good enough for you to understand me :>
2012-09-24 09:35
of course I understand you, we'll see.
2012-09-24 17:56
So, according to you, the best team ever on source, obviously experienced on the source engine lost against a mix team because of that? Roflmao. If your are goin to say that just say it dont come up with this bullshit "whether not its true or not just give it a rest".
2012-09-23 20:07
#155
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Finland FRGVN 
hmm u clearly have no idea about the game. the game is nowhere near cs:source.. its like saying that they should be awesome on left4dead compared to 1.6 players, cause of the source engine.. DUDE WHAT THE FUCK? :DDD and where the hell u got the mix team from? NiP is a mix team? what? where did u come up with that? GeT_RiGhT as an example has played CS:GO like a whole year now since the showmatch @ IEM6GC NY & the beta stage.. he has had a plenty of time to adapt to the Source engine as an engine. Some say that Source players have the advantage and some say that the 1.6ers have the advantage, what the fuck does it matter since its neither one of those games and the engine doesnt even have anything to do with the matter.. for gods sake. *Thinking of going to cadred to see if people can think straight there..(which I totally doubt since it's the internet)*
2012-09-23 20:18
Still havent read a single person saying 1.6ers have an advantage over saucers in csgo. And yes, nip is a mix team; 2 random saucers + 2 top players that have played on the same team + 1 good player that only did good in 1 tournament. Just by looking at their scrims and this tournament you can totally see that they havent adjusted yet. Flif spray is the worst of the team, get right still tries to tap fire, forest still tries to bhop, and so on. And i was talking about the source engine cuz of the movement, its pretty saddening that flif and fribergs movement is better than forests. As i said, next time you try to defend that bs excuse, go all in, dont try to mask it.
2012-09-23 21:10
#186
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Finland FRGVN 
gods sake, a team with players from two different scenes doesnt make it a mix. its a team, not a mix. Just to encounter your flaws is that Xizt has been one of the best players on 1.6 since he started leading fnatic. Fifflaren is the worst player in NiP but its understandable since he is the mastermind behind all the tactics and strat calling. Well yeah Ive heard a bunch saying its easier for 1.6ers, even K1CK's source players said so(If I remember correct) + VG players said that I think.. (and a lot of nonamers too) and I personally think that it doesnt matter if u come from 1.6 or cs:s when it comes to CS:GO. and btw since you say they havent adjusted.. what makes you think VG has when they have like more than half of the playing hours that NiP has? Its totally different game, nothing like CS:S except the graphics.. The movement, grenade physics, maps and all that shit have been modified. Yeah there are similarities, BUT there are similarities with 1.6 aswell. check out cadred's interview with Fifflaren & GeT_RiGhT after the final@Valencia and then the one with NBK.. they rly dont care if its better for cs:s or cs1.6, its a new game so get over it and play. we will see the true performance level of every team(not just VG's) after the upcoming months and few events. 1.6 gameplay & strats evolved constantly and that will happen on CS:GO aswell. Hope for good matchups and a lot of upsets. (..and cause of this huge hatred by OUR 1.6 community towards source players, I'd like to see VG beat 1.6 based teams like ESC).
2012-09-23 21:30
Its an extremely new team fighting against the best css team ever that have years of experience playing together, if 100 hours make up for that, then its extremely sad. Xizt is a great player that was decisive in one tournament with fnatic unlike forest, get_right, neo , pasha, markeloff, trace, and so on which constantly are on their teams. Pretty sure u are aware that a lot of igls do well on their teams,the thing with flif is that hes constantly the one hindering their game. Also, vg has adapted pretty well judging by their recoil control and movement. Now then, i cant take seriously anything 1.6ers say about this game knowing what they really thought when it was on beta (being the tagging the only good change with current updates).
2012-09-24 02:36
Wtf are you on about? It is a known fact that IGL's tend to be lowfraggers as it is so much harder to make calls and focus on your own game at the same time. Just look at RobbaN/cArn. They're not exactly madfraggers.
2012-09-24 08:04
#245
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Finland FRGVN 
yeah and Xizt totally did that while being igl on fnatic.
2012-09-24 13:57
16-10 and 16-12 arent exactly what I would call domination but then again im not part of this 3rd world hivemind lack of rationale
2012-09-23 19:27
If only your 1st world brain would let you read through more than the title you might have understood the point I made. let me guess, American?
2012-09-23 19:39
let me guess, moron?
2012-09-23 20:23
#163
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Finland FRGVN 
yeap, good guess =)
2012-09-23 20:28
Not like 16-3 or something like that but in general winning 2-0 and one being 16-10 (which I don't think is close) is being clearly better. Perhaps dominating is a little too much but as far as I have read he is not only talking about this match but the 1.6 vs CSS matches there have been. Not saying I think he is right but it seems you didn't get the point.
2012-09-25 07:00
I still hope for CS:P
2012-09-23 20:39
Considering nip is 40% source players, that really doesn't prove 1.6 players are better. If it was 100% 1.6, maybe there'd be a leg to stand on in arguing 1.6 pros are better, but that isn't the case. But all this misses the real story here. Ever since css split the scene we've looked for a way to unite the communities. Whether you like the game or not, GO has done that; not only are 1.6 players competing against css players, they're on the same teams. Why keep arguing in ways that splits the GO community? The fact is f0rest and GTR are not 1.6 players anymore, and KennyS is not a source player. They're all GO players.
2012-09-23 20:42
saucers are wronk
2012-09-23 20:42
It was expected that they would lose tbh, called it ages ago, VG have been playing for 3 weeks and NiP 3 months. Not to take anything away from NiP though they are a fucking amazing team and i thought fifflaren and friberg played just as well as xizt and f0rest (get_right played on another level at this tournament). To all the people that watched i think it proved CS:GO can be just as exciting to watch as 1.6 and just imagine a big event with ESC,NaVi,fnatic,winfakt,NiP,mouz and VG - exciting times to come! <3
2012-09-23 22:16
mTw dont forget, and i kinda hope 4kings actully would make some serious comeback as an stable oldschool CS team. But that would perhps be to much of a "dream".
2012-09-23 22:46
lame game, but anyone who played 1.6 knows it was a more skilled game than Source
2012-09-23 23:04
+1
2012-09-24 00:38
there is no fps which can be compared to 1.6, skill based i mean.
2012-09-24 07:44
Quake?
2012-09-24 14:13
ah my bad, forgot it.
2012-09-24 14:32
HeatoN
2012-09-23 23:18
Forget cs 1.6 and CSS. Its now CS:GO. Thats wat makes the game so good. Its appealling and new so team have to start to prac. The spec count was pretty good for a new game. Hitting nearl 20k views. Cmon lads get behind it.
2012-09-24 02:47
They're neither 1.6 players nor source players, they're officially branded as CS:GO players. Their previous experiences are not that relevant except that's what they're known for, they currently both represent CS:GO. For example, the Shootmania tournament had a few 1.6 players, they were branded 1.6 players because Shootmania wasn't a scene yet. It was still in alpha. In this case CS:GO already has it's own scene, if following your logic I am a Unreal Tournament player plainly because I played UT before CS. Though that wouldn't make any sense because that's not the game I am playing anymore. This is all a bunch of hoohaa to be honest, their resume may label them a former 1.6 player but this is a separate game and it's not really fair to call it 1.6 vs source because they're neither playing on 1.6 nor on source. What's next? See who wins in Tekken? (Even if it's not a FPS game it's still a separate game)
2012-09-24 03:07
when 1.0 came back in 2000 most of the pro players were Quake players. Even in 2003 still people were talking "yea he is so good in cs cause he was pro in quake before". The fact that youve played CS:GO for 2 months after playing cs for 10 years 8hours a day doesnt make you a pure GO player.
2012-09-24 11:20
They've gained their skills through 1.6/CSS/Quake yes everyone knows that, but the point isn't where they got their FPS skill it's the game they are currently playing.
2012-09-24 15:13
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2012-09-24 11:48
dunno why, but i think that any old cs player can rape anyone in any other fps shooter. I can bet, that nip after 1 week bootcamp can rape best CoD team or something. The fact, that nip is a new team, and they own best cs:s team says everything. btw w8ing golden5 vs VeryGames. Neo will rape those fuckin sAucers
2012-09-24 07:43
most cs players get raped in all 1on1 fps games like quake, painkiller etc
2012-09-24 11:24
i mean new fps games, like BF cod and soon
2012-09-24 14:33
Verygames haven't even started praccing this game on anywhere near the same level as they did in source, NiP have been pushing 5-6 hours a day EASILY. Not to take anything away from NiP and I did expect it to be a lot closer, but verygames still have a few gears to come, the likes of mousesports and mTw are probably in better positions to compete with NiP right now because they switched over and started playing officials in it and praccing properly way in advance of verygames.
2012-09-24 09:54
excuses. VG has been focused on GO as well. Source doesn't even have events anymore, why would they keep practicing a dead game? It's not like Source tournaments have better pricemoney neither. They lost fair and square.
2012-09-24 19:22
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dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
Since when is Xizt one of the best players ever to play CS? He is getting good, but come on now?
2012-09-24 10:37
fifflaren said that they are probably N°1 in Europe And i've said that only Xizt - f0rest and Get_RighT who gave him this opportunity !! And yeah 1.6 rulez (y)
2012-09-24 11:05
ESC training hard in cs:go Neo has 85/167 hours on steam. He showed that yesterday on his stream.
2012-09-24 11:34
Im not sure why are you guys keep doing this shit. No matter who played what kind of CS, they all like the same game. CS:GO should get the 2 communities together not to split them more.
2012-09-24 11:47
OP is a moron.
2012-09-24 14:16
THE TIME HAS COME.
2012-09-24 16:14
its something like CS 1.6 pros are better than CS:S pros in Pokemon Red I dont care rly
2012-09-24 17:18
actually I've shown that 1.6 players are far superior in FPS games overall. including CSP and CSGO.
2012-09-24 19:24
No you haven't... Because based on statistics, CSS players overall are better than 1.6 players if you are basing this obsurd theory on DH Valencia. Fact still remains that its the player not the game. How the hell you've managed to survive on this planet for 22 years is an achievement, I salute you.
2012-09-25 16:34
what are you smoking? plz tell me, marihuana doesn't have an effect on me.
2012-09-25 17:46
Well purely based on the top 2 teams, they are made up of 7/10 CSS players. I'm not saying CSS players are better, because thats also a retarded statement. Certain games may attract a higher calibre of player but that doesn't make every 1.6 player better than every CSS player. Especially not at a new game. My post above is just to point out how idiotic your point is.
2012-09-25 19:31
yeah dude, the Source players are better, thats why the 1.6 players keep winning matches against them
2012-09-25 19:46
I've come to the conclusion you were dropped on your head as a baby.
2012-09-26 13:09
cs 1.6 pros have the advantage because theyre used to the graphics :)
2012-09-25 19:41
no
2012-09-24 19:02
Guys from NIP have 400-500 hours of CSGO and guys from VERYGAMES only 50-100...how can you expect to win them? :)
2012-09-24 19:46
so what man, Do VeryGames have bigger Source tournaments to attend?
2012-09-25 18:36
find the interview with nathan and you will know what i was talking about!
2012-09-26 17:48
This thread amuses me.
2012-09-25 17:13
#307
India N3E 
I think we should call the Hungarians like KodiaK, Res1st,Raul.. & Please,, NiP havent faced the likes of .php, GuardiaN till now.. still f0rest, gtr, xizt got hold of d game well wen every1 were saying CS:GO sucks
2012-09-26 15:12
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