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FaZe’s future
GuardiaN | 
Belgium The_Grey_Wanderer 
[HLTV Writers] Yesterday FaZe went out in the quarter finals of the major. Since olof is back their results weren’t satisfying at all: at ELEAGUE they went out ‘last’ but all the games were close; olof was really good and NiKo a god, then they had a bootcamp finished 5th-8th at Stockholm losing again to Mousesports. Their most recent result was this one where they almost finished 0-3 before NiKo grabbed the IGL role. Overall we see the same problems: bad to abysmal T-sides and not being able to close out games. Some people would suggest to give them more time (probably they are going to stick with the current lineup for ESL One New York) but you need to realise they already had two bootcamps and a player break. Overall I see three options one riskier than the other one. Olof, NiKo and GuardiaN and karrigan need to stay if they want a change. The karrigan one is questionable. You could argue that he flopped his changes but who will you bring in? Personally I’m not a fan of NiKo being the IGL, karrigan is the only one who can fit in all these stars into something that works if you remove him you will get the same situation as when Gambit removed Zeus for Fitch. First it looked great but after three months all Zeus’ impact was gone and nothing new was implemented. -rain +cromen We all know that cromen played a few of rain’s roles and he delivered also the players know him and they can pick him up for free. -rain +ISSA ISSA is a great player and could make an impact as a young and hungry player. -rain +sunny -karrigan +ChrisJ If they would remove karrigan I only like ChrisJ to replace him, a great individual player literally a Swiss knife. Sunny accompanying him would be logical as Mousesports is shit. You could try to only fit in ChrisJ tho. -RobbaN +starix Maybe starix could work on their T-sides and improve karrigan’s leading. /discuss
2018-09-22 09:18
tl dr ?
2018-09-22 09:20
Just read the whole thing
2018-09-22 09:21
One thing that makes your whole argument fall somewhat is "they went out in the quarter finals". That is very irrelevant, it could as well has been the Final. The point is that they faced the best team right now, Astralis. They would probably have won vs any other team, except just Astralis. Regarding Karrigan as IGL, I wont say either yes or no. Im not aware enough of how he is as an IGL. And I heard both good and bad.
2018-09-22 10:55
But if they were to win the major they would have beaten astralis..
2018-09-22 12:21
#61
NiKo | 
United Kingdom Fuun 
Not for sure. Imagine the brackets were different and Faze get the easy bracket and get to the final. Liquid would have had to play Astralis in that case (as is now) and Liquid have a good chance to beat Astralis. Astralis are a very tactical and structured team which is what makes Faze fall flat on their sides. That is why they keep loosing to teams like BIG and mousesports. If Liquid would be able to beat Astralis, I'd say Faze would have had a much bigger chance of winning against them.
2018-09-22 12:42
Still. Think with these poor t sides against teams like astralis they can't be no.1
2018-09-22 12:43
#64
NiKo | 
United Kingdom Fuun 
That is true. Karrigan is the issue in my eyes. Faze don't really practice and antistrat. They don't prepare for matches and have no playbook. They rely on amazing performances from their stars. And if the starts get antistrated they fall flat. Faze's current approach for the game won't work at all. They need to change around a lot of things, but start with karrigan. His calling was so bad that Niko had to revert to the IGL role. When your best player carries and IGLs at the same time, why should you keep karrigan. Karrigan's style is just outdated and won't work with the current stratheavy meta.
2018-09-22 12:52
#2
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Belgium wiikz 
No point of kicking rain, they need to remove karrigan, keep trying with NiKo's IGL and find a new 5th cromen could be great yeah
2018-09-22 09:21
As explained karrigan is key to FaZe although he blew many chances, I do not trust in NiKo’s calling to be reliable for so long.
2018-09-22 09:23
#34
NiKo | 
Belgium Akkawaka 
+1
2018-09-22 10:49
#82
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World lalt 
It appears Karrigan is good at so called change leadership.. but when lineup becames stable, his leading becomes stale. Ie. he needs constant lineup changes to feed him. Just look the history.. so yeah, if FaZe wants to keep him, they need to make regular lineup changes every 3 months or so :D
2018-09-22 14:02
#11
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Nepal TWiNTiMEeeeJW 
look at niko's calling vs astralis > 6 rounds in tt in 2 maps and karrigan played better than him
2018-09-22 09:26
#14
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Belgium wiikz 
ikr but it's a pretty new role right, look at FaZe they played way better than the other tournaments they played lately, if they give this guy more time you already know what he is capable of
2018-09-22 09:30
#18
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Nepal TWiNTiMEeeeJW 
maybe u are right but look at him playing yesterday, lets see if he can play well in NY
2018-09-22 09:44
#4
elemeNt | 
Norway ripazha 
haHAA. You kids simply do not understand the game.
2018-09-22 09:23
Instead of just typing simple criticisms what do you propose mister I_know_everything_about_CS?
2018-09-22 09:25
#27
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United States LDK_ 
+1
2018-09-22 10:12
#5
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Switzerland codplayer 
-karrigan +chrisJ
2018-09-22 09:22
#6
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United States Jamila 
FaZe needs a secondary caller, players that can come up with things on the fly where karrigan's defaults may have failed or bring an execution together with the IGL dead, every top team has one even if it's not official except this one
2018-09-22 09:23
FaZe is cursed. CSGO isn't their thing. Should stick to CoD only
2018-09-22 09:24
no they have guardian and karrigan 2 players so unlucky because of karrigan's semifinal curse and guardians 2nd place curse after losing to brazillians again (ESL Proleague season 6)
2018-09-22 10:53
#9
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Kazakhstan dc7 
dude have you even watched rain play train? despite karrigans xp rain understands this game better than anyone, worst comes to worst rain becomes igl before that cringe sh*t
2018-09-22 09:25
#12
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United States Jamila 
The lowest point of FaZe's time in CSGO came with rain as IGL
2018-09-22 09:29
Rain was never IGL tho, only when no one wanted to call. But his role has never been IGL
2018-09-22 10:04
#67
rain | 
Estonia raynster 
Rain is still one of the best clutch players of all time in my eyes..
2018-09-22 12:59
(rain and karrigan) OUT (xantares and issa) İN
2018-09-22 09:29
Disagree. Maybe - karrigan + ChrisJ but mouz won't let him propaply
2018-09-22 09:36
#16
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Russia grEminence 
Prolly disband.
2018-09-22 09:36
#17
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Hungary Bonte 
Decent arguments, but if rain leaves, I'll leave too. I know he has been quite bad in 2018, but he's just had one of his best maps against astralis. Give him time
2018-09-22 09:42
#56
cromen | 
Norway Toonga 
The reason he has been underperforming is because of his role, he is playing as an entry, and he is not the best at it. Rain is a star player/play maker not an entry...
2018-09-22 12:29
if hltv charges for crying, they would be a billionaires.
2018-09-22 09:47
#20
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France dAdji 
Guardian said that it was his last major. :'( If NiKo is going to igl like in mouz, probably -karrigan
2018-09-22 09:48
where did he say that?
2018-09-22 10:07
#47
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France dAdji 
DBLTAP interview
2018-09-22 11:25
guardian's last team* his last major is prob katowice when they win it
2018-09-22 10:53
#46
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France dAdji 
He said on DBLTAP that its probably last major
2018-09-22 11:24
so faze can now take kennys xdd, even better
2018-09-22 11:27
#21
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Norway sAvageOG 
no future /closed
2018-09-22 09:49
I'll try to not extend too much my responses. "-rain +cromen" rain is still good, he is definitely an scary player to play against, his crosshair placement, alongside with his game knowledge makes him a deadly player, although his actual form isn't perfect, we all know his power when he is on fire. "-rain +ISSAA" ISSAA is a great talented player, if he keeps his form, i'm sure some true Tier1 team will acquire him. But now, i don't see him leaving HellRaisers, they're playing fine CS, won 1 map vs. Liquid. "-rain +suNny" suNny is a good entry-fragger, but currently i don't see his style fitting with FaZe at all, FaZe players are too much individual, actually the mousesports system make him confortable to play. Who knows? "-karrigan +chrisJ" chrisJ is maybe the only I really accept since he is in-game leading for a long time, he has a great individual skill with both AWP/Rifle (better with awp), his leadership and game-knowledge is what FaZe probably needs, karrigan is also a experienced player, but time has gone for him, sadly he chokes when the team are recquiring his help, in the most crucial moments.
2018-09-22 10:00
I Think -karrigan +chrisJ Is the best way
2018-09-22 10:09
#29
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Portugal xxxRUI75xxx 
That would actually be an improvement but tbh I don't see it happening.
2018-09-22 10:14
if you want Chrisj to igl you need to get mouz's coach Chrisj cant properly call/focus when he has niko there as well as a different coach
2018-09-22 10:54
They have to stick with current line up(I feel). If they want to change things, then bring in new IGL(for me +ChrisJ -Karrigan). Give rain at least two more months. If he doesn't succeed then bring in ropZ or Sunny or Scream).
2018-09-22 10:06
Scream xd
2018-09-22 11:12
#58
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United Kingdom tthrowing 
Scream xd ?
2018-09-22 12:37
Scream xD
2018-09-22 14:11
#28
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Finland Abecsgo 
Sunny and ChrisJ are not going to leave From mouz, Sunny have +1 More year Contract with mouz And ChrisJ same so You need to wait atleast 1 year
2018-09-22 10:13
It would've been so great if YNK joined faze instead of made in trash.
2018-09-22 10:19
+1
2018-09-22 12:24
#31
United Kingdom f5n 
Why would you kick rain? If you kick anybody it would be Karrigan, he has a much lower skill ceiling than the rest of the team. His movement and frag potential are poor.
2018-09-22 10:22
#32
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Poland DzonPrice 
-rain +krimz/nbk/kio I feel like they need someone to do a dirty job. Then, karrigan can focus just on leading, cause he took kio's roles. Then, olof will be star again
2018-09-22 10:46
nbk? :D :D :D He is the last option even after minim0e.
2018-09-22 11:34
#57
cromen | 
Norway Toonga 
Rain takes the dirty job, he is an entry
2018-09-22 12:32
#33
KRIMZ | 
Denmark slacking 
- karrigan + krimz
2018-09-22 10:49
#35
Snax | 
United States Freakmode 
-karrigan +trump
2018-09-22 10:51
+1000
2018-09-22 13:42
they need to replace karrigan with a leader with a strong personality. that clutch vs xyp9x on inferno was the beginning of the end of the series for them. they all lost hope after that.
2018-09-22 10:56
CHRIS J LMFAO
2018-09-22 11:06
#43
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Australia weapon_ 
they needs new style/strats.. come up with new ideas.. like astralis.. smokes.nades.flash's.. hold points positioning.. all of that.. teams can watch demos and watch how they rotate etc.. has to differentiate otherwise be to obv when playing in competitions like they have.. everyone can read them easy.. they got aim and smarts. just need some strategic ideas behind them.. mix shit up..
2018-09-22 11:13
#44
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Norway sibusovn 
i dont think they need to replace rain. but maby karrigan.. im not shure... i want to give them more time.. olof is not the reasont hey loose.. but when niko igl they give olof a more star role than just lurck.. i realy dont think karrigan is the right igl for a 4 man 3 man star team.. maby 4 men star team. to use one of the best players in the world needs a different brain.. karrigan is a good igl.. but maby not the right one for faze
2018-09-22 11:18
rain and fer has been the problems why both mibr and faze aee not top 3 anymore
2018-09-22 11:26
#74
rain | 
Romania exelasd 
They played good karrigan stepped up yesterday he top fragged mirage with olof he seems to enjoy supporting and he did a great job defending B site , they just need to fix T side
2018-09-22 13:27
very interesting
2018-09-22 11:19
Rain is really good. He was one of the players yesterday that delivered. Niko didn't show up too much yesterday. Guarding was good but still lost many AWP duels against device. If anything I'd say -olof +cromen - I really liked it when he was in FaZe! But you never know how it would turn out if you make that change now. > -rain +ISSA Please no muslim/arab into this team. Please.
2018-09-22 11:29
karrigan and rain are their weakest points atm. Karrigan as an igl isn`t working and he should be kicked for sure. If you have 4 star players and you can`t win anything with those guys, that`s igl`s fault. And NiKo should try to not choke in important games and moments
2018-09-22 11:32
#73
rain | 
Romania exelasd 
In last months yes rain was the weakest point but yesterday they lose mirage because niko couldn't outaim gla1ve and he losed everytime connector/jungle . rain extended then game in mirage and inferno , they just need to get a better coach and work on that T side because was trash 7 rounds in 2 maps
2018-09-22 13:24
english on point. They should change karrigan, not coach.
2018-09-22 18:17
#55
swag | 
Poland SK4DUUU 
-olof +byali
2018-09-22 12:25
-kariigan +krimz ,, niko to igl like shox in old g2 ezpz
2018-09-22 12:40
#60
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Israel sNuiik 
-rain +krimz but i can bet that if navi will not take the major and they are not going to take it so s1mple gonna join faze
2018-09-22 12:40
#66
KRIMZ | 
Romania moetxxx 
s1mple cant play with niko in the same team..
2018-09-22 12:56
#62
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Armenia GaRY56 
karrigan back to IGL, Problem solved.
2018-09-22 12:42
#65
KRIMZ | 
Romania moetxxx 
-rain +krimz is most probably if this happen i will start support faze also they will cut karrygan for some who is not fat and also use his brain time to time. -robban is necesarly
2018-09-22 12:56
#68
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Canada pureGOD 
i have better fix.. faze disband and +NiKo -snax in mouz
2018-09-22 13:03
+1
2018-09-22 13:06
they don't need to remove anyone. they should keep working on their problems. VP did that for years and they showed it can work out well. But FaZe shouldn't split up just yet. my opinion
2018-09-22 13:11
#71
rain | 
Romania exelasd 
Imo they need a good coach , Robban even suggested to be replaced and now he has a new child , a great coach made mibr working again , if they can grab lmbt pronax seangares or spunj they will improve a lot more than kicking karrigan only gob b would be an upgrade for karrigan beside gla1ve fallen and zeus who wouldn't accept the offer
2018-09-22 13:15
why rain? i think guardian/olof should be the one that goes.
2018-09-22 13:18
#75
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Slovakia MyTimeIsNow 
You cant find better awper then guardian, who would like to go to FaZe right now, why olof?????
2018-09-22 13:30
i think the "stars" of the team just need to put their egos aside and listen to what karrigan says, unconditionally. im pretty sure with looking at some moves aof nearly all of them, they often do what they think is right and not what was told..
2018-09-22 13:33
They need -karigan +s1mple
2018-09-22 13:46
WHEN WILL U RETARD UNDERSTAND THAT NIKO IS A FUCKING BOT
2018-09-22 13:51
-rain +xantares
2018-09-22 13:53
#81
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Denmark VanDeCorput 
The lineup is good and can still work, they just need a decent coach. They could try seangares.
2018-09-22 13:58
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