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Why going 12-3 to 15-15 isn't choking.
battery | 
United States Batteries 
I think this topic is a very important topic to talk about as no one talks about it. So when the Astralis - Liquid game happened everyone was talking about how liquid almost "choked". That is not true at all and the term choked is not proper in 99% of scenarios. When a game goes from 12-3 to 15-15 it just means the teams are even on both sides of the map. If they started on the other side it would be the same (12-3 and 3-12). If both teams go 9-6 on ct side is it a choke? No, they just have even ct sides. It is the same for 12-3 and 3-12. Even the infamous, "Liquid choke" against Luminosity in MLG, Liquid went 8-7 on the first half. If anything Luminosity "choked the first few rounds buy winning 2 and losing 7. They just got back into playing shape to win the match. Just my opinion prove me wrong /thoughts
2018-09-22 18:28
Choking (also known as foreign body airway obstruction) is a life-threatening medical emergency characterized by the blockage of air passage into the lungs secondary to the inhalation or ingestion of food or another object.
2018-09-22 18:30
Exactly. They never choked
2018-09-22 18:30
Czech Republic fnx_2_majors 
2018-09-22 18:31
Thanks man
2018-09-22 21:37
United States Trump2020KAG 
its isnt choking but every one says it is.....
2018-09-22 18:31
2018-09-22 21:38
You are right. It works both ways. But if a team had the momentum to extend the lead and they for example lose 12-6 tot an eco and lose the map 14-16 you van call it a choke tbh
2018-09-22 18:33
Valid opinion
2018-09-22 21:37
chrisJ | 
Netherlands toMyy 
You have to get on one site more rounds than the other team to win. If you can't do that on e.g. 10 rounds then it's choking because you're afraid of winning.LuL i have no idea what I'm talking about sry.
2018-09-22 21:39
Calm down you drunk German. <3
2018-09-22 22:00
chrisJ | 
Netherlands toMyy 
How do you even know? You're right.
2018-09-22 22:36
Im sorry it is "choking" you literally don't play good 12 rounds of CT or T then completely bomb the next half side For the team that comeback from 3 rounds to 16 only happens because of the other team "choking" it's not called even because they're good at the half side, they're only coming back maybe after 12-4 pistol round won, the other team starts to fucking tilt and do stupid shit SO YES IT IS CHOKING IT'S NOT EVEN WHEN THE CAUSE OF COMEBACKS ARE USUALLY BECAUSE THE OTHER TEAM IS LITERALLY DOING STUPID SHIT TO THROW A GAME
2018-09-22 22:04
Liquid vs LG If the coldzera play never happened, LULquid wouldn't be forced to change up their strats, got their mind messed up with another and loss focus = THAT'S A CHOKE
2018-09-22 22:05
Valid opinion
2018-09-22 22:06
United States HowToK 
that's assuming both teams are calm 100% of the time they are playing
2018-09-22 22:11
This is data. Data doesn't take emotions into anything
2018-09-23 00:59
United States HowToK 
I fail to comprehend how this relates to anything you mentioned. You said that if both sides have 12-3 halves, then they are even on both sides. Sure this is pure statistics, but you also fail to realize that there are multiple variables involved with how a round is won or lost. You can not generalize this into pure probability, where say Liquid will win T rounds 80% of the time against Astralis in this match, so they will win 12/15 rounds, while Astralis also wins T rounds 80% of the time, so they will also win 12/15 rounds. This isn't so simple that you can simplify their performances into how many rounds they won, so that rounds won equates to how good they are. Basically, you are assuming that two teams of AIs are playing against each other with set probabilities of winning a round.
2018-09-23 01:15
2018-09-23 13:24
United States HowToK 
Alright then, I'm glad I recognized early that you are simply throwing the word "data" around without understanding how statistics work before I further waste my time convincing you otherwise. Have a nice day.
2018-09-23 19:49
2018-09-23 20:42
Choking just means you make stupid mistakes because you are nervous or out of inexperience when you are close to winning a map.
2018-09-22 22:12
2018-09-22 22:50
Australia Hythrex 
And with three people in their first major playoffs, it's pretty likely for it to happen
2018-09-23 01:20
If u choke,u'll die
2018-09-23 13:28
Sweden MasterSergei 
The "famous choke" is being able to get 15 rounds, but all of a sudden just fall flat. I agree with ur 12-3 / 12-3 half, but being 15-6 up and then loosing 19-15 just isn't okay
2018-09-23 20:44
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