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s1mple's "choke" explained
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Ukraine mpletop1 
So after the loss to Astralis in the GF of FACEIT and bombing out of ESL One NY 2k18, s1mple has acquired a reputation as a choker, even more so than NiKo. So here I want to explain to you why s1mple did not choke vs Astralis. If you've watched Astralis play against any team that relies on starplayers for the past 4 or so months, then you would know that one of Astralis' specialties is neutralizing these players. They do this by both "physically" (trapping them in-game) and mentally (by applying constant pressure in-game) boxing them in. This is why players like Xantares, who yes, is an onliner but still played well the game before, hit absolute rock bottom during the game vs Astralis and players like NiKo and NAF do so unusually poorly against them. If a team has multiple such players, such as FaZe, they could overwhelm Astralis, but karrigan is too braindead to properly position his stars and so they get outplayed by gla1ve's superior tactics. What is to be said from this is that s1mple isn't a choker and he was yet another starplayer who was shut down by Astralis and with only support in electronic, not much could be done. TL;DR: Astralis is known to shut down star players, whether it is s1mple, niko, xantares or naf. S1mple did nothing wrong.
2018-09-29 19:41
#1
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Ukraine mpletop1 
tactical bump
2018-09-29 19:43
Cologne 2016?
2018-09-29 21:10
#2
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Ukraine mpletop1 
tactical bump 1
2018-09-29 19:44
This was actually your 2nd tactical bump.
2018-09-29 19:46
#7
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Ukraine mpletop1 
I start at 0.
2018-09-29 19:47
Yes I see that. From a programming point of view it makes sense but as a HLTV forum user it comes off as confused and silly.
2018-09-29 19:47
#19
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Brazil VeryMibrGuy 
I was about to say "array starts at zero mate", but glad you know xD
2018-09-29 19:56
#3
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United Kingdom galaxzy 
s1mple is not a choker
2018-09-29 19:44
+1 but s1mple usually plays well agains them
2018-09-29 19:45
#6
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Ukraine mpletop1 
Not really, Na'Vi won Cologne thanks to Zeus 30 bombing against Astralis.
2018-09-29 19:46
s1mple never had under 1.00 rating against astralis before this
2018-09-29 19:47
Yes, but his stats vs Astralis are far worse than vs other teams
2018-09-29 19:58
well obviously
2018-09-29 20:01
#23
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Cambodia THEBO$$ 
lmfaooooooooooo u are clueless he has overall 0.95 rating against them (on big events)
2018-09-29 20:02
proof faggot. i meant this year when hes top 1 btw
2018-09-29 20:02
#25
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Cambodia THEBO$$ 
'overall' i think bandera fans are too stupid to understand this
2018-09-29 20:03
i know what that means thats why i said this year... stupid
2018-09-29 20:05
#28
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Cambodia THEBO$$ 
dude u are such a lowlife ahahahahahahahahaha u said 'this year' only after u got proved wrong show me where did u say that he hasnt had negative rating against astralis except for major final for IN 2018 i.imgur.com/X0k79dF.png
2018-09-29 20:06
i wasnt claiming i said this year at first. i said "i meant this year"
2018-09-29 20:09
#10
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Czech Republic Bubit 
+1
2018-09-29 19:48
+1, as an opposite teams like fnatic are known to actually not being able to do shit against teams with a star player, star players always shine against them and are never shut down, its maybe due to the cs that is being played, if its tactical or not
2018-09-29 19:49
#12
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Ukraine mpletop1 
That's true, since s1mple joined Na'Vi, Na'Vi has been wiping the floor with fnatic.
2018-09-29 19:49
no... you are wrong. the whole team was gripped with fear and was mentally more focusing on not losing then actually winning. astralis were there to win. go watch the demo of the final and compare with other demos of navi on those maps, even vs astralis and you will see, they did not play the way they usually do. If they were there to win they would have picked mirage. Its statistically their strongest map. I do agree with your analysis on how astralis plays though.
2018-09-29 19:50
The conclusion: Astralis are the gods of this game, so s1mple & co can't handle them
2018-09-29 19:51
#16
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Ukraine mpletop1 
If -botward -flamie +hobbit +mou happens that could tip the game towards Na'Vi. Edit: -mou? I meant +mou
2018-09-29 19:53
yeah this roster looks amazing on paper
2018-09-29 19:53
Maybe better way is they do quit russian language and start to speak english then an international roster. I am personally do not want russian/qazaq players in navi. Either full ukrainian roster or international+english language.
2018-09-29 20:31
#55
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Ukraine mpletop1 
Sorry, but a full ukrainian roster is not going anywhere. No electronic = No Na'Vi.
2018-09-30 11:44
#94
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Russia acnk 
Full ukrainian roster will speak russian anyway, why then they should limit the choice? Only for WESG? There are a lot of russian-speaking players good enough to play in Na`Vi, and it will take so much time to build an international roster around Na`Vi core, it's not an easy way, look at MIBR.
2018-09-30 15:03
#15
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Canada ypc_1234 
Your right we can see it today with cold
2018-09-29 19:52
bump 89rd account i agree with statement which is to be agreed with astralis right now are 5 tier 1 fraggers with godlike device and dupreeh sometimed magisk, well fuck it everyone turns up at some point. navi is just simple, electronic and sometimes VERY RARELY zeus. flamie and edward, sometimes deadweight but usually liability.
2018-09-29 19:55
+1
2018-09-29 20:00
Most overrated playerm maybe top 5 awp player
2018-09-29 20:05
#32
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Ukraine mpletop1 
nt allu
2018-09-29 20:11
:DD allu top 10 , i havent said he is best , simple is just overrated and you are butthurt uneducated ukrainian :DDDDDDD
2018-09-29 21:07
#38
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Ukraine mpletop1 
0/8
2018-09-29 21:10
#48
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
How can s1mple be overrated if EVERY SINGLE pro player, even from astralis, says that s1mple is top 1 right now? Who is smarter, astralis and other pro players, or some dumb fuck on hltv? I choose astralis players opinion on that
2018-09-29 22:56
i choose mad imperial fan hhahahaahahhaaha
2018-09-30 11:47
#59
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Ukraine dieded_inside 
EZ4ENCE fan? lol where are ence now? Ez major champion? Even chocking s1mple gets to finals
2018-09-30 11:51
:DD ence gets money and spend holidays
2018-09-30 11:54
#61
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Ukraine dieded_inside 
yeah, s1mple gets money and spends his vacation after losing major as well. So easy for him
2018-09-30 11:55
yes but he is overrated and ence isnt
2018-09-30 11:55
#63
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Ukraine dieded_inside 
You'r right! nobody overrates ence. Nobody even cares about them LUL
2018-09-30 11:56
nobody cares ukraine oh i forgot it is russia nowadays
2018-09-30 11:56
#65
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Ukraine dieded_inside 
gg you lost it. Talking political stuff means you have nothing to say botallu
2018-09-30 11:58
#66
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Ukraine mpletop1 
and where is finland nowadays? part of iraq? and who are you to judge our cs scene? the only good players you have are sergej and allu.
2018-09-30 11:58
and sunny is the best rifler on the world and why u started to talk about ence if we were talking about simple??
2018-09-30 13:45
#84
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Lithuania Makatas 
Im not imperial fan as far as i know
2018-09-30 13:14
this is what I'm saying for years now. s1mple most overated player ever. he just plays like stream lol, he take control of his actions, not giving af about the rest of the team LOL this is the type of player who goes HAM on main and amateur teams, but when go PRO, they get less kills cuz they start playing for the team, knowing when to hide, play 3x3 without overpeeking etc s1mple goes ultra ham on groupstage etc cuz sometimes he overpeeks and things goes right for him, but this is super inconsistent lol, when a team just punish him, or he trades 1 by 1, he is fucked, he has no plan B, he can play only in this style LUL its really hard to navi win tournments cuz its almost impossible to have many bo3 where he goes ham every map xd
2018-09-29 20:08
#40
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Ukraine mpletop1 
You see, the problem is that Na'Vi without s1mple has just such minimal firepower that if s1mple was to play a more consistent playstyle, his performance could almost never secure them a victory. If s1mple plays his usual game it is advantageous, since if he does poorly Na'Vi loses eitherway but when he goes off Na'Vi can win. He has no choice but to play like that, the same story as for GuardiaN back when he was on old Na'Vi before flamie joined.
2018-09-29 22:46
yeah, but is just a matter of him not fitting the others navi with flamie and guardian back when they played 100% textbook map control cs, was solid top 3 team, always getting into finals and shit, and everytime they lost matchs, it was close, it was always hard to beat them no matter what... they need to kick edward and put a loose player, and go full loose style its inconsistent, but its the only way, s1mple will not change his way of playing
2018-10-01 06:31
^ retard s1mple hater alert
2018-10-01 06:44
not s1mple hater, he is really entertaining player but my argument is proven by how many events he won so far, and how many events the other top players won :> s1mple delusional fanboy alert xd
2018-10-01 06:46
#31
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Poland Astoner55 
I actually noticed that as well.
2018-09-29 20:09
youre right, but hltv would rather keep the meme that he choked
2018-09-29 20:32
#41
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Ukraine mpletop1 
Makes sense, HLTV hates s1mple for some reason.
2018-09-29 22:47
#35
Brazil FLXG 
ta
2018-09-29 20:34
#39
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Japan axe__ 
wtf 1st normal post on hltv poggers pogchamp ik
2018-09-29 22:41
#42
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Yugoslavia mrmojo 
He didn't really choke, they were just outplayed and like u said astralis really made life suck for him in that game like no other team can.
2018-09-29 22:48
#43
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Armenia gr1nch 
lmao stop overrating things, just whole team choked
2018-09-29 22:50
#44
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Ukraine mpletop1 
nt btw thank for inspiring me to create this username
2018-09-29 22:51
#45
device | 
Yugoslavia mrmojo 
Nope they just got outplayed on every level.
2018-09-29 22:51
#46
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Armenia gr1nch 
flairs checkout
2018-09-29 22:53
#47
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Ukraine mpletop1 
He's right. Stop with this "choke" bullshit. Choking is what Niko does, not s1mple.
2018-09-29 22:54
#52
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Armenia gr1nch 
no, they choked
2018-09-29 22:57
#53
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Ukraine mpletop1 
you'll prove it or
2018-09-29 22:57
niko is still a bot tho
2018-09-29 22:56
#51
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Ukraine mpletop1 
Choko is just a choke machine
2018-09-29 22:57
Nope this was a straight up choke, s1mple already played super well against them in finals of other LANs some that Na'vi even beat Astralis at so no it has nothing to do with Astralis being a god team. What happened is he wasn't mentally prepared to get stomped on, he has this huge ego and cannot see this type of event occurring because he's very confident in his skill, he went into the game over confident and wasn't mentally prepared, this is a choke imho. Each round that passed in that final you could see the tilt building, the desperation, the dumb actions preformed by him just trying to make a play for his team, he lost the game mentally, he made bad plays the entire final it's a pure choke.
2018-09-29 22:56
i think the fact s1mple is 20 and really just starting people overlook device is 23 how good is s1mple gonna be at 22-23
2018-09-29 23:02
#58
NiKo | 
Germany Schubber 
I think if he keeps this up he will be the best in the world
2018-09-30 11:50
#70
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Ukraine mpletop1 
and elec is even younger
2018-09-30 12:03
#57
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Denmark VojenZ 
Think it is more like: Astralis dont give easy frags to any one. Simple need these frags, which he gets from other teams to build confidence. No Confidence = no ownage. You can clearly see that he misses easy shots also against Astralis - that is clearly a confidence thing. Or you could call it a choke.
2018-09-30 11:49
#74
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Ukraine mpletop1 
I wouldn't call them easy frags, those are some fine flicks, but if you're spending 4/5 of your rounds in a 1v4 saving the AWP that's going to heavily damage morale.
2018-09-30 12:05
good thread mr.s1|mple
2018-09-30 11:59
#68
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Germany felo 
TLDR: s1mple is shit also is the whole NaVi team and even pro100 represents their country better + Astralis #1 Cold #1 and S1mple #shit
2018-09-30 12:02
#69
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Ukraine mpletop1 
nt ahmet
2018-09-30 12:02
#71
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Germany felo 
nt putin
2018-09-30 12:03
I don't think s1mple is choking. I think s1mple is being complacent. I'd bet any amount of money if DH Marseilles or Starseries s4 kiev s1mple showed up, with how good electronic is now and how Edward was having the time of his life, NaVi would've won but s1mple didn't show up. To choke means you were capable of performing at that level but after seeing navi play since even before cologne, I think s1mple can't play like his start of dominant self any more. He plainly has gotten bad. Not choked
2018-09-30 12:04
#73
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Bosnia and Herzegovina im_not_toxic 
xantares lul, this infernol match vs astralis he just lost every single aim dual in banana
2018-09-30 12:04
#75
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United States stephcurry30 
astralis has some secret drug they put in the food and drink "star" players before the game it makes their aim turn to shit
2018-09-30 12:13
#76
s1mple | 
United Kingdom Twinaye 
bump this shit
2018-09-30 12:53
#77
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Australia t0rrent 
Simple 0 majors but pronax 3 majors
2018-09-30 12:57
#79
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Australia t0rrent 
Lower rating = better
2018-09-30 13:00
#80
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Ukraine mpletop1 
pronax golf GOD
2018-09-30 13:01
s1mple just need to take some drug before game to calm himself
2018-09-30 13:03
#82
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Ukraine mpletop1 
s1mple wasn't nervous, he was just countered by Astralis.
2018-09-30 13:04
faze: welcome s1mple.
2018-09-30 13:05
#86
World Jeza 
It's actually very true. Anybody with a brain could see how Astralis basically shut out s1mple on nuke in grand final on purpose. They almost never him get into a position where he could make an impact. They focused 50% on their time on T rounds basically putting him in shit situations where he couldn't help his team. Because Astralis is smart and they know if they let him free, he gets 3 kills every round. It's better to respect the skill rather than be cocky and treat him like he was any other player.
2018-09-30 13:51
Well... I guess Astralis sports psychologist finally paid off.. Astralis were actually the very team known for choking in big scenes. You can tell that they've been practising hard every one of them, with a clear goal in mind. All gratz to Astralis, since I truelly believe an new era has just begun. SK were on the rise to create history, but since they never truelly committed to a player fully ever since the kick of FNX, it was abit downhill for them. They managed to win couple of tournaments but after the kick of TACO, it started to get even worse. Astralis is what SK used to be. And Im just glad to witness that theres a true champion worthy of being #1 team in the world. Faze was never worthy of it in my opinion. They were too inconsistent.
2018-09-30 13:56
#89
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Ukraine mpletop1 
Na'Vi needs to get rid of retard kane. -Kane +B1ad3 And then do a firepower upgrade. -Edward -flamie +Hobbit +moue
2018-09-30 14:00
Astralis all have special hacks to 2000euro pr month. The organisation pays for it. Its all about money Last year SK won because they have a lot off money. (because off the organisation) MIBR have 0 money = no majors, no top 1. CSGO is just a joke actaully ( the pro scene is, most off it)
2018-09-30 14:00
+1 VP did the same thing to device at eleague major. he didnt choke
2018-09-30 14:04
Is Zeus to blame for not having a plan to free s1mple from this pressure, or who should come up with a solution?
2018-09-30 14:40
#92
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Ukraine mpletop1 
I blame it on two things: Kane and Ugin Ugin is officially their manger, but has been on a psychologist/analyst role since Cologne. If I recall correctly, s1mple said that Ugin's "motivational" speech before the GF made him and others nervous and in an interview with Zeus, Ugin clearly showed no capability to be their psychologist/analyst and had no idea what he was talking about. As for the coach, Kane is an outright braindead alcoholic retard. He has little motivation do to his job and is clearly unfit to do so. Secondly their firepower. Na'Vi firepower is pathetic for a t1 team. Even North on paper has more firepower than Na'Vi. With players like botward and chokemie, Astralis can fully turn their attention to neutralizing s1mple and electronic. Na'Vi needs a third star player and a capable support, such as hobbit, to do the job.
2018-09-30 14:57
Kane is, according to s1mple, a great guy to explain the things s1mple doesn't understand himself. He has made s1mple realize a few things about being a team player. A process which needs to continue, as this is clearly the weakest part of s1mples play. He will be top 1 the day he becomes a top 10 team player.
2018-09-30 15:00
#95
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Ukraine mpletop1 
Do you really think he would in an interview directly trash his coach and show to the world that his team has cracks forming? Of course not. That's why NiKo is still not admitting to the inevitable karrigan kick.
2018-09-30 18:15
He praised him. He didn't talk neutral about him. If he is praising him, but thinks he is an idiot, then I am losing even more respect for him. Being straight out dishonest instead of just keeping your mouth shut.
2018-09-30 18:18
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