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“Free” University
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United States Rod0lfo 
Hey EU! If you think your university is free you are WRONG! Remeber those high taxes you pay? Yeah a nice chunk of them go to paying for universities! Did you know that in the USA you can pay off your college debt right after graduation or if your parents are good with money can pay for most of your schooling, not to mention scholarships and government lending options that we have. So if you get a useless degree in the USA the only person paying for it is yourself, but in EU you have to pay for the retards getting gender studies degrees, etc. TLDR: You pay more for uni through taxes over your life than what you would pay for uni itself, also you have to pay for useless degrees while I don’t HA!
2018-10-04 12:23
#1
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Poland henlo 
k
2018-10-04 12:24
+1 i wonder why people overlook this smart comment
2018-10-06 00:54
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Norway SnopisHere 
This is so sad
2018-10-04 12:25
indeed bro
2018-10-05 13:28
these guys defending things that are just plain WRONG... wtf it really is sad
2018-10-05 14:22
#347
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Ukraine TrickyFox 
Alexa play Despacito
2018-10-05 15:59
#412
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Belgium i_am_alexa 
Now Playing: Despacito ---------------------------------O-------------------------------------------------------------- << II >> 1:18 / 3.48 volume [-------o] HD
2018-10-05 20:24
+1
2018-10-06 02:54
can we hit 50 likes?
2018-10-05 16:13
can we hit my wife?
2018-10-05 17:27
#383
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Brazil vinnyzeraNTC 
+1
2018-10-05 17:41
#434
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Australia kTw0 
alexa play despacito
2018-10-06 07:03
In the end it's cheaper
2018-10-04 12:25
The sad thing is, the tax is not even that much lower in the US. But the average person get literally nothing for their taxes, it all goes to bailing out banks and their military. That's why they hate taxes so much, becuase their government wastes it. In europe we are much more fine with higher taxes because it benefits us
2018-10-04 14:00
#207
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United States Rod0lfo 
That is true to an extent, your country has the freedom to not pay high military taxes because we do and we cover the EU with our military. Also the Jews who run our country make us pay for the banks screwing us over, our system is not perfect but if we could axe the Jew and (((military))) it would be best system
2018-10-04 14:04
#312
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United Kingdom Dimwit 
you got some issues :/ Trump and his Cabinet are the ones wasting taxpayer money.
2018-10-04 21:25
#324
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North America B0bbutttoast 
Yep buddy you got it, trump and his cabinet got rid of all taxes and then 1 by 1 re decided where ever single % of the taxes went and raised them all. How could you be so ignorant? Taxes have went down for high and middle class since trump became president.
2018-10-05 13:31
#326
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United Kingdom Dimwit 
I'm saying that his allocation of taxpayer money is the issue. Going against free healthcare and help for those in need, and instead putting more money into an already bloated military and unnecessary and pointless immigration rules.
2018-10-05 13:34
#331
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North America B0bbutttoast 
The military has to remain at the level of strength its at, trying to keep WW3 from ruining the world as it would have if USA and RUSSIA didn't come to save the rest of the worlds ass the last time. I think you've noticed that the UK is indeed not part of a nazi empire as it would have been. "pointless immigration rules" well number 1, no tax money was put into the rules lol you don't need money for rules to be made. If you're talking about enforcing the rules then a very small amount of money has actually went into enforcing the rules. Strong immigration control is indeed very important but its not really getting enforced in any way that would require shit tons more tax money to pay for it. The wall on the other hand is a waste of money but the fact is there isn't even very much progress at all being put on it and that's a huge problem. To promise something stupid and then not actually provide is horrible. If money were being put there (which it doesn't look like it even is) that would be a problem. I don't like trump, i really don't. I haven't like a president since Bush senior, but that doesn't mean its okay to literally pick any point of policy and say he's doing a horrible job at it when in reality he isn't. If a leader is bad then he should be put at fault for the reasons he's ACTUALLY bad not for literally anything and everything you can say he's doing bad because that overshadows the stupid shit thats actually happening.
2018-10-05 13:49
#335
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United Kingdom Dimwit 
I mean, if you really think that WW3 will erupt the second the US lessens their military budget, then I doubt you were around for Bush Sr.'s terms. Also, shockingly, if the British Empire hadn't entered World War 2 then most of the world would be part of a Nazi Empire. The only reason the allies won was because of collaboration, and if the US had actually acted sooner rather than just sitting back and watching for 3 years then maybe half the atrocities committed wouldn't have occurred.
2018-10-05 14:21
#340
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North America B0bbutttoast 
I didn't say anything about the US's military preventing WW3, but when it happens USA will need to be there to prevent the entire fucking world being controlled by whichever government wants to try to take over the world next. "collaboration" I mean sure if 98% russia and USA and 2% Canada, UK, france, and australia counts as collaboration. Obviously those are exaggerated numbers but whatever, without the US anyone in the world would tell you its obvious that the UK would have fallen next without problem for the axis either. It's not even disrupted that's just a fact.
2018-10-05 15:49
#359
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United Kingdom Dimwit 
US had 16 million in WW2, British had 15 million. Obviously the Russians were instrumental, but without all of the elements of the allies, the axis would have won. America would be Nazified without the Brits too, get off your high horse m8
2018-10-05 16:33
#430
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North America B0bbutttoast 
No fucking way, the US's 16 million were spread out across a lot shorter period of time than the UK's were. The numbers aren't the whole story. Nazi germany vs WW2 america, yeah america very well could have lost. But the british were a very small amount of the difference there the difference was russia beating down the eastern border at the same time as the allies were on the west. Also D-day was eisenhower's plan, without it the allies could have very well lost regardless of numbers.
2018-10-06 06:48
#436
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United Kingdom Dimwit 
I didn’t say that the war could have been won without the Americans, although it would have been over a lot quicker if they had helped earlier. I said that without any of the key allied powers the war would have been lost
2018-10-06 11:50
#442
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North America B0bbutttoast 
I know what you said, and i'm saying the war very well would have been won by the allies without the UK. And the US was helping the allies throughout the entire war, they were manufacturing like half of the weapons and ammo for the war the entire time before they even joined the fight, that's why pearl harbor was bombed in the first place.
2018-10-06 16:05
you do realize it would be idiotic to invade the US. All of the natural boundaries and safe places such as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, the rocky, sierra nevada, and appalachian mountains. its possible but very risky
2018-10-06 07:01
#435
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United Kingdom Dimwit 
I didn’t say they’d be invaded. The US had a massive amount of Nazi sympathisers and supporters. If Europe and Asia fell then chances are a Nazi coup would happen
2018-10-06 11:48
+1 xaxaxaxaxa
2018-10-04 14:30
have u ever walked a street? there ur taxes go.
2018-10-05 17:27
#380
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United States Rod0lfo 
Wait you have streets? We don’t have them in America.
2018-10-05 17:37
i wasnt replying to you wasnt i? the swedish guy above u said something about normal ppl never receiving anything off their taxes. that was reply :) had no intention in fighting ur arguments even though my opinion would be different than yours :)
2018-10-05 17:40
#385
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United States Rod0lfo 
Ah well I thought you were agreeing with how he said the taxes help people in Sweden unlike USA.
2018-10-05 17:53
I think you have to read my comment again.
2018-10-07 18:02
psssssht. i realized that aswell. just didnt want to beef with burger boi :)
2018-10-07 18:08
#447
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United States Rod0lfo 
Huehuehue
2018-10-07 18:46
hehehehe
2018-10-07 19:24
pretty much
2018-10-05 19:59
#251
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Dominican Republic hyziug0d 
in the end it doesn't even matter =DDD
2018-10-04 14:48
great song
2018-10-04 14:58
to pay for entire uni yourself is 100k at least
2018-10-04 12:26
#7
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United States Rod0lfo 
If you go to a high end private uni yes but if you go to a state uni or a community college and get the same degree you can do it for less than 40k easily. Over your working life if you make 100k€ a year you will pay easily 200-300k€ for education in taxes. So I say let me pay for what I did and they can pay for what they did.
2018-10-04 12:30
#4
2018-10-04 12:32
#17
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United States Rod0lfo 
That’s not true in the USA the average person graduates with 34k$ in debt, in EU if you make 100k€ a year you will pay 6-10k€ a YEAR for other people’s uni so in 10 years you will have payed 2-3 times more than an average American.
2018-10-04 12:35
So no one should pay taxes?
2018-10-04 12:36
#50
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Germany Roflcopter234 
6-10k OMEGALUL source or didnt happen
2018-10-04 12:50
#149
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United States Rod0lfo 
#64 100k€ x .12 = 12,000 That’s for NL
2018-10-04 13:38
but its for education my friend not for university...
2018-10-04 13:39
#156
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United States Rod0lfo 
True, but I haven’t found anything breaking it down from uni costs to high school costs. But I would assume they are rather close because unis cost a lot more than high schools
2018-10-04 13:43
also keep in mind, we have 48k schools, but only 400 "universities"
2018-10-04 13:45
#230
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Denmark MeToxi 
Did you also know that the US education is like 70 years older than the european one?
2018-10-04 14:26
Did you know that Scandinavia 31482594529x better than usa? :D
2018-10-06 06:53
#438
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Denmark MeToxi 
sounds 'bout right ;)
2018-10-06 12:41
just stop it
2018-10-04 15:15
germany: 8 out of 100 to education, but less than 2 out of 100 for universities
2018-10-04 13:41
247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/.. btw, your universities get a lot of money, too xDD
2018-10-04 13:43
#64
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Netherlands NEEFBROERMAN 
€12 out of every €100 in tax money goes to education in the Netherlands, so you're kind of right. This is higher than the average around the world, it's a lot more. But with it comes the relative low students per teacher.
2018-10-04 12:55
Citation needed that 10% of my income goes to universities
2018-10-04 13:07
#147
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United States Rod0lfo 
>Norway >EU YOUR OIL PAYS FOR EVERYTHING
2018-10-04 13:36
#263
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World ///fuck 
they are still in eu in a way, but have nothing to say.
2018-10-04 14:59
usdebtclock.org/ Debt per citizen $65,731 I know it's great to live out of someone else's money, but you should get rid of that credit card one day and start living out of your own $$$.
2018-10-04 13:15
#145
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United States Rod0lfo 
I agree many americans are retarded with credit cards (and why I will never own one). I used to work at a retail store with a store credit card, and so many people (mostly women) would charge 100$+ to their already 1000$ balance it’s crazy then they would make the minimum payment every month and get charged 27% in interest every year lmao. The thing is I don’t pay for other people stupidity, while you in EU do.
2018-10-04 13:36
#247
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Denmark MeToxi 
So what? 1. Better education 2. Paid to learn (Investment in the future workforce) (I personally get like 815 euros after taxes a month, 4000-5000 euros of the money i earn each year is tax free) 3. Social security. We don't have to worry if our student debt will cripple us. We don't have one! Everything educational is already paid for and we're able to live a comfortable lifestyle with money to proper housing while studying. 4. We might pay more in taxes but then our baseline wages is much higher than the US. I think. This is without mentioning all of the other benefits that we get. (Just to mention, i pay like 40% in taxes which is pretty average.)
2018-10-04 14:40
#252
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United States Rod0lfo 
1) debatable they are pretty close for public unis 2) That just means someone else is paying for you, and you will pay it back, also same in USA we have a baseline where you don’t get taxed, like last year I made around 3k$ working part time and I got all my taxes refunded. 3) We have it but it’s going to run out before I can retire 4) If you mean minimum wage the federal min wage in USA is 7.85$ an hour but most states have it higher, you guys do make more money on average than us but if you compare average White House holds in Europe to USA it’s about the same if not we make more and we pay ~25% in taxes within the average household income. Plus our sales tax is 0-10% depending on the state and 0% on staple foods and clothing in a lot of states. In Denmark it’s 25%. So for every 100$ I spend I pay 8$ where I live while you pay 25$ that adds up real quick.
2018-10-04 14:49
#267
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Denmark MeToxi 
I don't see this going anywhere. I could counter-argue with you if I'd feel like researching but i don't feel like doing that right now. Also, you seem liberal to the core so we'll just keep disagreeing. Just think of this, the american dream is no more. It is more true in Denmark than that of the US.
2018-10-04 15:04
#281
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United States Rod0lfo 
What have I said that makes me seem liberal anywhere in this thread? Other than that I’m fine with agreeing to disagree
2018-10-04 15:24
why do you just compare white households? I think that excludes a major part of the benefit of the eu's social systems.
2018-10-04 20:32
#310
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United States Rod0lfo 
Because Im comparing similar demographics, its unfair to include blacks in our country because they face problems only blacks face and the USA is very segregated outside of cities.
2018-10-04 20:46
Of course you need common ground to compare, but i could also argue that we have regions and whole countries with similar problems. Not every country in the eu has the same rules on tuition, but i would say that minorities and people from lower classes have better chances of getting an education appropriate to their intellect. Also, I see paying taxes as an investment in common progress. Everyone sees their taxes being used to fund schools, unis and research. As a parent with a lower education and below average paying job, you can raise your child assured that it will have every chance to become a scientist, even when you couldnt afford to lose 40k.
2018-10-04 21:23
statistically average person in my country will pay 200k for taxation alltogether, and that's schools, hospitals, highways, railroads etc included. hf building those out your own pocket. statistically average person also doesn't have 50k laying around.
2018-10-04 12:45
lul you will never make 100k a year i know you work at mcdonalds))) american gamburger
2018-10-04 12:56
#72
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United States JustBitsy 
I ended with 35k in loans used. Shouldnt take more than 2 years for me to pay off.
2018-10-04 12:57
30% of your country makes 16k or less.
2018-10-04 13:29
#142
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United States Rod0lfo 
That’s because a lot of people work part time jobs during college, if you take out college students/ high school it drops a lot
2018-10-04 13:33
student jobs excluded
2018-10-04 13:44
#160
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United States Rod0lfo 
Damn I guess 13% black and 17% Hispanic population does that
2018-10-04 13:45
kill the poor
2018-10-04 13:58
#198
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United States Rod0lfo 
I’m not a opposed or send them back to Africa/Central America
2018-10-04 13:58
#401
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Germany phlizz 
someone has to work at mc donalds so if you send them away they'll be replaced by whites that will be poor. theres still mc donalds in countrys where there are only whites, like poland for example. so youd just have poor whites then instead of poor blacks, makes no difference
2018-10-05 18:36
#410
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United States Rod0lfo 
It makes a huge difference actually, I don’t know if you’ve ever dealt with a fast food place full of black people (especially later at night) it is so fucking slow they work like shit, compared to places where the majority are white.
2018-10-05 20:01
#203
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United States JustBitsy 
This was about free university and the lack of in USA. The subject was not the amount of people under the poverty line. I lived in it for the entire time I was in school. We dont need for most of the jobs that have educational requirements but so many do? Why? Me going to college and finding a great job i enjoy that did absolutely require the degree (forensic toxicology) is not why people going into sales need a bachelors degree. I can guarantee you that so stop diverting the conversation and trying to guilt others out of their achievements like a degenerate and focus on the actual topic.
2018-10-04 14:01
public financing has nothing to do with economics hurrdurr i study forensic toxicology
2018-10-04 14:33
#250
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United States JustBitsy 
Get an actual opinion backed with reasoning. My point stands true.
2018-10-04 14:46
the subject was taxation and why we suposedly don't need it when it comes to education. if you can't decypher what i'm talking about you should seriously move to moping floors.
2018-10-04 14:55
#283
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United States JustBitsy 
Imagine attempting to derail a topic so hard that you actually believe your derailment was still on topic. Your 30% comment has nothing to do with schooling and it not being "free" and why that isnt a top priority here. You still have made no real arguement and have not disproven my point. I had financial assistance through schooling while making less than 16k a year. I was literally in your statistic more than a year ago. Then i got a real job with the degree. Financial aid helped me pay for and i will most likely have it repaid in 22 months from now with the "much-more-than-16k-a-year" salary from said useful degree. No one else is paying for it I am because it was my choice to become educated. This system worked for me, why cant it work for those other 30%? Because its not "free"? And i am not paykng x% more out of my paycheck using a degree i earned and am paying back? What about people making just above that 16k that need every single penny right now? Is it fair that they are suddenly not making enough per month because other people wanna go to school? Thats not fair to them at all... thats a REAL argument against free college in America. Your inability to pose an argument with your fallacy of derailment hold no water against my actual point. They pose no real opposition to the fact that college is actually fairly accessible in America even if it isn't free. Your derailment isnt even attached to this post, its just a tangent and you connected them together with no actual proof. 30% are under 16k but it is not because they cant afford to go to school hate to slap you with that fact bud.
2018-10-04 15:28
#290
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United States Rod0lfo 
Oof I are think I had an earth attack
2018-10-04 15:43
taxes arent only for our free universitys its for every single "free" shit our goverments give to us schooling, health system, subsidies for unemployement etc wich makes your argument that poor people that need every penny simply stupid and ignorant. taxes are in % of what you earn its not a static value that means that poor people are getting a lot more than what they are paying . so ye go back to your school shotings you pseudo intellectual american
2018-10-04 16:08
#314
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United States JustBitsy 
You call me a pseudo intellectual but then you turn around and make a claim as actually retarded as the guberment will never tax you TOOOOOOO much. Holy crap I cant believe my eyes.
2018-10-04 21:33
where did i say that?
2018-10-05 12:12
#334
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United States JustBitsy 
"Which makes your argument that poor people that need every penny is stupid and ignorant." Just because there are different tax brackets doesnt mean that people in those lower brackets wont feel the sting of suddenly having LESS money because "muh free edumacashun fixing a problem that doesnt exist". Trust me, if they just barely make their monthly bills and they cannot, under any circumstance budget in the extra money in taxes that will be required for a free education plan, then they can easily lose any financial credibility they had. They can be happy about getting more than what they are paying in tax when they lose their home because of the added financial burden from taxes. Its not a necessary policy in USA, the current system can work for anyone. That was my point that remains my point you and your friends diversion tactics from the original point have not and will not disprove the fact that I was literally poor. Went to god damn school and will have payed off my loans by the end of 2020. Unless you have an actual argument or any sign of intelligent input at all I would recommend not responding since you will only be wasting your time. My initial points were valid. Attacking my character in an attempt to make me sound less credible does not automatically void my success story through our "broken" system. End. Of. Story.
2018-10-05 14:01
1-"muh free edumacashun fixing a problem that doesnt exist". its not exclusively about education you cunt that is my point . 2- you are exacerbating the burden of the taxes ,no one loses their home becouse of taxes you lose your home if you make A LOT of bad decision conserning money and even than the state helps you (at least in europe ofc) 3- it isnt a deversion we just tried to show you the bigger picture 4- congratz if you are about to pay your loans but a lot of people were not as lucky as you were thats why there is a 1 trillion dollar "industry" in loaning money to students 5- you can say what ever you want but the fact is america is a very good country if you are rich and a terrible one if you are poor and mother fuckers like you will always like to brag how good they are in life and how the system doesnt need change becouse they made it. what you forget is that along the way the sytem failed lots of people for a lots of different reasons some might be on those people but a lot of it is on the system itself. in europe the state helps you to get where you wanna get and in exchange asks you a little bit of what you have to help the next one fulfill his dreams 6-Unless you have an actual argument or any sign of intelligent input at all I would recommend not responding since you will only be wasting your time.
2018-10-05 17:50
#414
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United States JustBitsy 
The bigger picture you attempted to show has literally NOTHING to do with the availability of education in America. Nice try buddy, you can't connect dots just because you want to buddy. I still WENT TO SCHOOL WHILE POOR. I still will have my loans paid back VERY SOON. because I got a job with the degree i earned from education from a system that worked for me because it ISNT BROKEN. You have made literally 0, ZIP, NONE NOT EVEN A CLOSE TO ANY SORT OF ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY RESEMBLE AN ARGUMENT to attempt to disprove my valid point that is. Point 5 would be an argument, except I literally disproved it with my actual living in reality in America, and the system working for me. Started out making around 10k/yr went to school through our "BrOkEn SyStEm" got a degree and am paying it back. IF. THE. SYSTEM. WORKS. FOR. ME. WHY. CANT. IT. WORK. FOR. OTHERS? Here's why, they are l a z y. Nice point 6, taking my thing and reusing it except I was the only one here with an actual argument, not just bringing up irrelevant useless stats that you just WANT to connect to the topic simply because you want an excuse for socialized university. In a country you don't even live in? I am no longer responding seeing as with all of the frustration in your taunting you have never provided an actual argument that was ON TOPIC. I am not going to continue to get baited or just drawn in by your lack of logical thought. You never once attempted to argue my actual point I know its simply because you don't have an argument, just an opinion. An actual retarded one. bye.
2018-10-05 20:58
at this point if you cant figure out what the rest of the western world (exept the usa) has you will never get it so i ,wont waste my time anymore . btw you didnt completly get point 5 partially becouse i worded it rong a bit . my point was that those few that actually succeed are dwarfed by those who didnt but even so they are the ones that shout the loudest and they shure love to brag about it ps:there is a reason that it takes a lot more generation to get out of poverty in the usa compared to europe
2018-10-05 22:16
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Germany Shadyy89 
In EU you will also carry those who don't have rich parents and pay for them. This is what socialism is about, (mostly) same chances for all people, rich or poor, and I prefer this way more than the US way of life.
2018-10-04 12:30
#10
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United States Rod0lfo 
The thing is government loans and funding and private loans are there if you need them, if you get a useful degree you will be able to pay them off, yes you might need to get a side job but that’s ok. In Germany you pay for everyone’s useless degree and then these people continue to not to provide to the economy, in the USA if you want to get a useless degree only they pay for it vs everyone who did what they are supposed to do right.
2018-10-04 12:33
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Germany Shadyy89 
You maybe right with that useless degrees but I think it's a very low percetage after all. Doesn't change my mind at all tho. I prefer free education for everyone at anytime.
2018-10-04 12:37
#67
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Finland Jodecast 
yeah take loan for education megalul
2018-10-04 12:55
You are paying a % out of every dollar you make to your education. That is the same as having a loan, but yours is a lifetime loan.
2018-10-04 13:53
#193
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Finland Jodecast 
haha, i know my money go to education and healthcare and such, that actually benefits my country and keeps the people equally. You americans just care about yourself and how much more money you make than your neighbour And btw how much do you pay for good healthcare?
2018-10-04 13:56
#195
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United States Rod0lfo 
Well when you have 35% minorities it’s easy to not care about picking up the tab for others.
2018-10-04 13:58
#211
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Finland Jodecast 
yeah true, but not our fault that us is what it is today, In the end our system is just better, our nordic system: way less criminals, more people get higher education and equality is a thing that makes people more happy and contributes to a better society and makes the gap between rich and poor smaller. Like sure if you are supper rich you wont move Finland or the other nordic countries, but if you are an average human that values equality, safety and you want those things around you will probably not move to the us
2018-10-04 14:07
#216
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United States Rod0lfo 
The thing is you are practically an ethnostate which means it’s easy to care for your neighbors so I guess it works better there. The Nordic model wouldn’t work in a nation with a lot of diversity and population.
2018-10-04 14:09
#217
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Finland Jodecast 
it would if it would have been there from the beginning, you cant just drag a new system in on a broken one, it needs to be there from the beginning
2018-10-04 14:12
#296
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United States 4PP135 
Yes, it always those damn minorities ruining it, never mind the fact that red states (white dominated states) use more welfare than more blue states...
2018-10-04 15:51
My wife and I pay $300 a month for very good health care, dental, and vision. When you say you americans you are grouping 300+ million people into one category and saying everyone is the same. That normally means you learned that from a media source of some sort that is lying to you. We also know where all our tax money goes. You can look it up and see every penny the government has spent in public records.
2018-10-04 14:05
#212
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Finland Jodecast 
yes, why wouldnt we be able to check where our money goes?. Even when we pay taxes you see exactly to which sector your money goes to so think this: 300dollars a month (and does this cover expensive surgeries or threatment?), + education (dont know how much but leats say 100.000dollars) and then income tax. you dont get away with much more than we so
2018-10-04 14:09
Yes it covers surgeries and expensive treatments. It also covers if you are trying to have a child and you cant. If I make 100.000 it would be 20% out of that, so I would have 80.000 in my bank account after taxes. With the seeing where tax money goes I meant we can see every item being bought. Say they renovate a office for the government you can see how much each piece of furniture, pillows, chairs, etc.
2018-10-04 14:15
#237
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Finland Jodecast 
well my point is, the system what you pay and we pay in the end wont be much different, hear me out here. Okay lets say you make 100.000euros (pretty much same in dollars) Here you will pay around 40% tax, this includes payment for your future pension (when you get old the government will pay it) etc so pretty much everything. You will be able to go to any school you want for free, best or worst uni, doesnt matter. you will be able to have any medical help anywhere in the country, any kind of medical, dentist, vision etc pretty much for free for your entire life (doesnt matter if you cant afford it at the time, you will always get it) and you will have a safe environment and all the benefits (like if you lose your job you will get near the same income) So add your cost of loaning money for education, take the payments for healthcare that doesnt work outside your country(does it even work outside your home state?) (here if you travel you get the same healthcare as in your home country) and the traditional tax for income and you will see that you dont win that much by the end of the day. and add to the pile that the us society is way less safer and there is way more criminals, homeless etc compared to the normal population and i dont know if you do much profit by the end Just my opinion on the situation
2018-10-04 14:30
Insurance will cover the entire united states. Im not sure about outside the united states. Ill have to look into that. There has been 1 murder in my city in the last 40 years and maybe 1 or 2 arrests a year for being disorderly, so im pretty sure safety isnt an issues for me. You pay $20.000 more in taxes if you make $100.000. I pay $20.000 taxes, $3600 insurance, $9600 school loans a year. That means for school, insurance, and taxes I pay $33.200 in all. This is just my situation. Im sure people are in worse and better situations than I am since my wife is a teacher and I am a surveyor. Im not trying to say the usa as a whole is better than anyone, but I am saying dont trust everything you hear about the usa there are a lot of lies floating around to make the country as a whole look terrible.
2018-10-04 14:51
#255
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Finland Jodecast 
well my point was, that by the end you dont get away with much more than we
2018-10-04 14:52
No we dont. When we finish paying off the loans we will get more money, but that wont be for 20 years or so.
2018-10-04 14:53
#259
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United States Rod0lfo 
How much in student loans do you have? If you are not investing your extra money you should pay them off ASAP
2018-10-04 14:56
Between us we have $150.000 hers get paid off in 10 years if we pay the minimum because she is a teacher. For mine I just bought a house, so I am building back up my savings then I will start paying them off faster.
2018-10-04 15:06
#270
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United States Rod0lfo 
Damn she fell for the expensive school for a teaching degree? How much did you finish school with?
2018-10-04 15:10
She has 3 masters degrees, so not really.
2018-10-04 15:14
#289
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United States Rod0lfo 
Ah makes sense I know people going to 40k$ a year unis for a teaching degree lmao so stupid
2018-10-04 15:38
Ya she has her admin and 2 different special education masters along with her batchelor and AA. She will be going for her doctorate in the upcoming years.
2018-10-04 16:23
In my situation my insurance covers all the costs. The costs are that high because the insurance companies pay it and its not from tax dollars.
2018-10-04 14:52
you american cant grasp the simple concept that europeans are greedy mother ..... like you its not for us that we are paying its for those who cant thats why every moth we pay our taxes so those who get pay for schooling health etc may get it
2018-10-04 16:11
i wish there was a filter to exclude all of the lazy fucks though
2018-10-04 13:19
#11
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Denmark NoVal1d 
Hey USA! In Europe we dont have a ton of autistic people taking gender studies degrees so im fine. Have a nice day
2018-10-04 12:34
#16
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Other WorldIsAFuck 
Lmfao
2018-10-04 12:35
#40
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United States Rod0lfo 
It’s not free stop saying free but if you want to talk shit about paying for college just know that you pay a shit ton more than we do, also if your wealthy in Europe you have to pay so much more so someone can get pointless degrees and leach off the welfare system, idk about you but to me that would physically hurt me knowing that.
2018-10-04 12:44
#104
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Denmark NoVal1d 
I didnt say that its free, no doubt that i pay for it but tbf i dont mind. USA its without doubt a shitty country even though they're seen as the "superpower" but hopefully it will end at some point so you can go back to making babies with your cousin.
2018-10-04 13:13
They get welfare so they dont become criminals cuz theyre desperate after money, i dont need a gun "for my protection" cuz i dont live in a third world warzone country.
2018-10-04 14:35
#300
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United States Rod0lfo 
Result of having large black and Hispanic population if you live in mostly white/Asian areas it is better than any EU country
2018-10-04 16:07
Hahaha No.
2018-10-05 16:21
#360
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United States Rod0lfo 
Actually yes, average white household income in USA is 71,000$ (~62,000€) and for asians 79,000$ (~69,000€). Which is higher than any EU nation. The thing is the USA is a great country if you aren’t retarded. You don’t realize how much blacks and Hispanics destroy our countries statistics when you compare us to Europe. Like when it comes to murder rate if you take out non-asian minorities it drops to a slightly higher than an average European nation murder rate. With iq too, we have 13% blacks and 17% Latinos who have an average iq of 85 and 90ish respectively. So if we have 99 average iq with 30% of our population being averaged between 15 and 10 points below it really hurts it. Without them it would be 101-102 most likely.
2018-10-05 16:39
Right, without retarded people in Denmark, our IQ would be much higher as well.
2018-10-28 08:53
#23
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United States Rod0lfo 
Actually you do though, gender studies isn’t the only useless degree too, pretty much anything other than STEM, lawyers, business and politics are. Which from what I’ve seen when college is free people get useless degrees cause they can.
2018-10-04 12:37
University only for jews and nerds...
2018-10-04 12:34
lol
2018-10-04 12:35
flag checked out
2018-10-04 13:48
YeaH BuT SoMeOne WIll SHooT uP YOuR UnIvErSity. HaVe NiCe TiMe PaYing MuCh WhEn I liVe In NeW ZeAlAnD wiTh gooD PriCes.
2018-10-04 12:35
#15
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Other WorldIsAFuck 
Reported for pointless thread
2018-10-04 12:35
#19
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Turkey tastemycobra 
sorry but EU is better at dealing with poverty and income inequality. Europeans pay tax and get the return as quality education for all or healthcare for all etc. that's not really the case in america.
2018-10-04 12:37
You do realize the people in poverty get free education and health care here right? There are tons of grants for people in low income environments. My sister in law gets all her classes and books paid for because she is low income.
2018-10-04 13:58
#205
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Turkey tastemycobra 
what about healthcare? cuz i can say even turkey has better healthcare. hospitals, clinics etc they are all clean and nice in america but it also comes with a price. They're expensive as fuck and insurance is also expensive. I can have the same healthcare for peanuts money in Turkey.
2018-10-04 14:03
Its called medicaid. Low income families who make under 28k qualify for it.
2018-10-04 14:09
#218
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United States Rod0lfo 
Also healthcare in Turkey is super cheap compared to USA because we have (((government))) sanctioned (((monopolies))) who completely fuck over the average American.
2018-10-04 14:11
nice quality american public school yea :^)
2018-10-04 14:03
#209
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United States Rod0lfo 
They are very decent actually, as long as your school has >20-15% blacks it will be a good school.
2018-10-04 14:05
Is that why your overall levels of education are so shit?
2018-10-04 14:13
#225
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United States Rod0lfo 
They aren’t? They compare to EU level schools if you account for only white and Asian students.
2018-10-04 14:18
Im not talking about public school (k-12). Im talking about university.
2018-10-04 14:06
I obviously meant public college/uni.
2018-10-04 14:14
For the program you are only allowed to go to an accredited college or university.
2018-10-04 14:18
Tax difference between US and Germany: Person has accident and gets into hospital. USA: Sir, which finger would you like to keep? Middle finger $20.000, thumb $15.000 Germany: Sir, we fixed all your fingers, you're going to be okay and it will heal off completely! OMEGALUL
2018-10-04 12:37
#26
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Turkey tastemycobra 
why middle finger is more expensive?
2018-10-04 12:38
Because it's bigger I guess
2018-10-04 12:40
More utility from the finger
2018-10-04 13:23
Canada: Please join this 6 month waiting list to begin waiting for your treatment
2018-10-04 12:39
I'm sure it wouldn't be 6 months for cut off fingers.
2018-10-04 13:24
#31
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United States Rod0lfo 
If you have insurance you’re mostly good, but healthcare =/= university I agree there is probably a better way to do it in the USA. Maybe if we didn’t artificially cause prices to be so high because of government sanctioned monopolies and let more competition in the medical field we wouldn’t have that problem.
2018-10-04 12:40
$20 isn’t much
2018-10-04 13:20
20,000 my bad LUL
2018-10-04 13:30
xaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2018-10-04 14:31
#24
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France BOOBALECOQ 
Hey USA ! what's going on with insurance ? cause you know here in EU like for example France we don't need to pay all our care ^^ but I know in us you are fucked up with this shit
2018-10-04 12:38
As long as you have a job you don’t need to pay much for healthcare
2018-10-04 13:20
Only if your employer plays for a good insurance, which is rarely the case as businesses try to cut costs (ofc).
2018-10-04 13:25
#395
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United States TriHardSeven 
Funny part is, businesses would save millions if the U.S would switch to public health care. Only insurance, and pharmaceutical companies have the most to lose by keeping the current system.
2018-10-05 18:29
But the point of Capitalism is that companies prevail, people don't matter.
2018-10-05 18:30
#397
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United States TriHardSeven 
Which is why you need a mixed economy.
2018-10-05 18:31
+1 Scandinavia has a pretty good balance.
2018-10-05 18:31
I get if you are going to university anyway, maybe you don't care whether it's collectively paid for or not, but there should be some tax break if I don't want to go to university at least. It's dumb as heck to just force everyone to collectively pay for something. University is a complete waste of time and money for most people. Same thing with """"health"""" care, hospitals won't actually make you healthy, only you can do that. I shouldn't have to pay for your cancer treatments because you smoke weed and watch tv all day.
2018-10-04 12:38
So no one should pay taxes?
2018-10-04 12:39
Correct
2018-10-04 12:39
Then the government wouldn't have any money
2018-10-04 12:40
Wrong, there are other ways to make money
2018-10-04 12:40
How then?
2018-10-04 12:41
For example, Hong Kong and Singapore governments make money off state controlled housing. Most governments also just print their own money.
2018-10-04 12:41
#57
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Germany Roflcopter234 
ahem, inflation, ahem
2018-10-04 12:53
Not endorsing freely printing money but it happens and is a method. If you minimize government costs then it's probably better than the huge CPI rates you see from BIS reserves today.
2018-10-04 12:55
#62
rah | 
United Kingdom rah(-_-) 
You do realize when you print more money, the value of the money already in the system decreases.
2018-10-04 12:54
You do realize it happens already
2018-10-04 12:55
#71
rah | 
United Kingdom rah(-_-) 
ofc it happens, but it's not a solution for scrapping tax lmao. It doesn't create value.
2018-10-04 12:56
Tax doesn't create value, it just steals value. Same thing with printing money, it's just defaulting on your citizens. I also never said it's a complete solution. Ideally I don't advocate for it at all, monetary rates shouldn't be set by a central bank.
2018-10-04 13:00
#82
rah | 
United Kingdom rah(-_-) 
Would rather pay tax than have inflation on the scale of venezuela
2018-10-04 13:00
As if that would happen if you got rid of all the useless shit like "health care", military, schools, etc.
2018-10-04 13:02
#157
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Finland xcel 
You are one dumb motherfucker
2018-10-04 13:43
#35
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United States Rod0lfo 
Is it (((health))) care or “””health””” care?
2018-10-04 12:41
you know
2018-10-04 12:43
#44
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United States Rod0lfo 
Yeah it’s really sad that we allow them to work in healthcare, they are honestly evil and we have them deal with our most important sector.
2018-10-04 12:45
The worst part is people just blindly trust the health industry, as if they actually care about you being healthy and not selling more and more drugs. They cover up the side effects and get people hooked on stuff for diseases that don't even exist. My grandma was on like 15 pills of who knows what per day and died from colon cancer.
2018-10-04 12:49
#99
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United States Rod0lfo 
Yeah it’s really sad, people I third world countries live to 80 years old without ever taking drugs and in the west you die at 75 while popping pills everyday for the last 15 years of your life. I rarely even take aspirin or cough medicine cause I don’t trust anything in my body from the “””healthcare””” system
2018-10-04 13:08
We don't have retarded gender studies, that bullshit is American. And you really think those leftist Universities are 'good' in the US ? They're brainwash facilities at this point.
2018-10-04 12:42
#48
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United States Rod0lfo 
#47
2018-10-04 12:47
#42
swag | 
Sweden Pepega 
NA Education OMEGALUL
2018-10-04 12:45
#43
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Norway analpain1337 
its depends on what you make, if u make less then 500k$ a year you dont pay more for uni. And you dont go to uni to make over 500k€ a year so your point is invalid
2018-10-04 12:45
#51
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United States Rod0lfo 
So you’re telling me that when you make 60k€ a year you don’t pay more than 35k$ over 30 years in taxes for education? Education is 10-15% of your taxes, and you pay 40%+ a year in taxes so that’s 2.4-3.6k€ a year for you making 60k€ and the more you make the more you pay. (which is bullshit by the way) Unless you are a bum you will pay more for uni than the average American
2018-10-04 12:51
#56
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Other WorldIsAFuck 
Just look at my calculations :)
2018-10-04 12:53
#79
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Germany Roflcopter234 
education is 8,5% and only 23% of those are for universities great research you got there
2018-10-04 12:59
#98
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Norway Onkelele 
Not many of Norwegians pay 40+ percent tax on income. If you earn 500 000 NOK you pay around 26.9 percent tax. You clearly have no knowledge of the tax system you autistic cunt.
2018-10-04 13:08
#101
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United States Rod0lfo 
>Norway >EU PIck one You guys have the oil sector paying for everything lmao
2018-10-04 13:13
#111
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Norway Onkelele 
The money from oil and gas are set aside in a fund called SPU. We use very little of the oil money in general.
2018-10-04 13:16
Who the fuck pays 40% income tax? In Finland the highest rate is 31% and that includes people who are millionaires.
2018-10-04 13:15
#45
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Syria Asiimov 
Im in 12th grade, still not dead from schoolshooting feelsgoodman
2018-10-04 12:46
#55
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United States Rod0lfo 
haHAA school shootings I’m 18 and I’m still not dead from bombing feelsgoodman
2018-10-04 12:52
#60
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Syria Asiimov 
>Swedish school >Bombed pick one
2018-10-04 12:54
#83
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Syria Asiimov 
I study in sweden atm
2018-10-04 13:00
"I am fakeflagging"
2018-10-04 13:08
#135
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Syria Asiimov 
Im not fakeflagging lol I live in Norway but right now im studying in a swedish university in stockholm.
2018-10-04 13:27
Expected from blue Denmark
2018-10-04 13:22
#136
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Syria Asiimov 
Expected from UK 2.0
2018-10-04 13:27
#293
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Norway Onkelele 
Only one school shooting in Norway, but no school or university shooting- or bombings.
2018-10-04 15:49
#46
oskar | 
Czech Republic SU6AR 
look at all your homeless people guess they agree with you :)
2018-10-04 12:47
#52
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United States Rod0lfo 
Most of them are drug addicts so it’s their fault fuck em.
2018-10-04 12:52
Expected from American
2018-10-04 12:59
#47
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United States Rod0lfo 
I agree leftist colleges are stupid, that’s why stupid people pay a lot of money to go to them, but that’s on them not on me. I pay my 30k$ for an engineering degree and I’m out, let those retards pay for their retarded degrees but don’t ask me to pay for you.
2018-10-04 12:47
u might have degree but no job :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD nt retard :DDDDDDDD
2018-10-04 13:01
he doesnt live in poland
2018-10-04 13:25
yes i forgot usa has trump so everyone has job now
2018-10-04 13:39
Hell yeah
2018-10-04 13:40
#53
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Europe amaxed83 
thats why u tax evade friend
2018-10-04 12:52
#90
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United States Rod0lfo 
How does that work in Eu? I plan on doing it here cause fuck the govt. huhuehuhueheu
2018-10-04 13:04
Basically, all you have to do is ask to be paid in cash, without declaring your income. Obviously, your employer has to agree with this, so not exactly easy to pull off.
2018-10-04 13:28
#54
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Other WorldIsAFuck 
There was 305 billion euros revenue for the Dutch government this year, 61.5 of this was salary tax . This means that the total percentage of the revenue that is salary tax is 61.5/305x100=20.1. the total government expenses were 295 billion euros, 38.5 of which was towards education. In 2016 there were 12.8 million Dutch adults. Assuming that the same percentage was used for expenses (20.1) we get this: 38500000000x0.201= 7.7385 billion euros 7738500000/12800000 = 604 euros per year per adult. 604x49 (18-67, the average working years in the Netherlands) gives 29596 euros. Converted to dollars this is 34024 dollars. Cheaper than America :-)
2018-10-04 12:52
#80
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United States Rod0lfo 
ok first you took the working age population, there is only 8.8m workers which instantly makes it 879€ a year per working adult. Which gives you 43k€ when converted to dollars is 49k$ Second most college educated people make the average wage or more, so if you went to college you pay ALOT more than what Americans do. :) nt tho
2018-10-04 13:00
#223
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Other WorldIsAFuck 
how would we pay more than americans? :) nt tho
2018-10-04 14:16
#58
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Germany loweM 
this is either a bait or you are stupid, i just checked your flag, seems to be the latter
2018-10-04 12:53
#59
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Finland Jodecast 
well at least not dependent on your parents bank account or size, and remind me how much your healthcare cost for you?
2018-10-04 12:53
Like i care lol, if i get cancer or some shit i'm not going to be broke after like americans. Even if the treatment is $5 Mil+, my insurance will pay for it.
2018-10-04 12:54
#444
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Netherlands ThaUnrealIan 
+1
2018-10-06 16:27
#63
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Nothing in the world is free.
2018-10-04 12:55
#127
SS | 
Europe ApziIsKing 
Europeans don't understand this, it's sad
2018-10-04 13:23
#138
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United States Trump2020KAG 
But yet they will bash Americans for all of our SO CALLED issues.
2018-10-04 13:28
#268
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World ///fuck 
You act like Americans don't pay tax and many Americans in this thread say "BUT HURR WE PAY FOR INSURANCE INSTEAD OF TAX DUUUH" Like what's the difference :DDDDDDDD?????
2018-10-04 15:05
cry is
2018-10-04 15:20
+1
2018-10-05 18:03
#65
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Poland MAGA2020 
truth
2018-10-04 12:55
#69
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Finland James Nelson 
What u pay taxes for then dear american friend ? Oh thats right u pay them that jews are able to make their schemes and invade middle-east. None of it goes to healthcare or this schooling system. It's better than we pay taxes that actually go to something useful that might help us in the future. Too bad you cant say the same
2018-10-04 12:56
#73
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Finland siloquez 
PLUS YKS
2018-10-04 12:57
#76
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Finland Jodecast 
+1
2018-10-04 12:58
#85
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United States Rod0lfo 
Well you pay those Jew taxes too, unfortunately our Jew tax is much higher, if I could I would cut our military budget in 2/3rds but Israel runs the government so ain’t happening. But atleast I know I’m getting a better deal with university :))
2018-10-04 13:02
#88
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Finland James Nelson 
We don't really have jews here in charge of Finland.
2018-10-04 13:03
#91
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United States Rod0lfo 
In charge of EU tho lmao why do you think you take in refugees? The Jews run your financial sector and the EU so you can’t really say you don’t have them.
2018-10-04 13:05
#93
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Finland James Nelson 
Its true but their influence is still lesser than in the US
2018-10-04 13:06
#89
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Finland Jodecast 
hahha keep telling lies to yourself kid :)
2018-10-04 13:04
they hate us cuz they ain’t us
2018-10-04 13:22
:DDD dude noone is wanting to live in a place which is full of shootings, shit health care system + idiot fat fags like u xD
2018-10-04 15:11
Cry
2018-10-04 15:27
brooo, you comments show just how murica school system works, not that well :/
2018-10-05 13:41
Still smarter than u
2018-10-05 14:31
mmmm, I seriously doubt that :/ im mechanical engineer and really good at my job, what are you?
2018-10-06 00:20
#132
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Denmark ta9239487234 
+1 Finland is always winning over USA! NA FAGS BTFO #RUNWINLAND
2018-10-04 13:25
+1
2018-10-05 13:39
0/8
2018-10-04 12:57
yes and if you have cancer in eu you pay 10k for good threatment but in usa you pay 1mil :DDDDDDDDDDDD enjoy your 1mil debt when u make 100k a year :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD takes atleast 20 years to pay it :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD stupid gamburger :DDDDDDD
2018-10-04 13:00
#87
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United States Rod0lfo 
If you get cancer and you have insurance like 90% of Americans you’re mostly good lmao.
2018-10-04 13:03
#102
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Finland siloquez 
So you pay taxes+insurance and tell this shit about us paying taxes for healthcare? So you pay taxes+extra to get the same shit.
2018-10-04 13:13
+1
2018-10-04 13:23
Hes too stupid to understand that i guess. He has todler brain. Two payments for lets say 8$ is < than one payment for 10$ for him. He just cant see further than his nose.
2018-10-04 13:27
#140
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United States Rod0lfo 
If you make 50k$ a year you get taxed like 12k$ plus 5k$ for insurances so 17k$ which is less than the 20k$ you would be taxed in Europe, not to mention the higher cost of living and sales tax rate that is literally double what we pay. Not to mention we pay for your military protection, if we didn’t have the (((military))) we would pay literally nothing in taxes.
2018-10-04 13:30
#144
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Finland siloquez 
You don't pay shit for our military.
2018-10-04 13:34
#173
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United States Rod0lfo 
We are your military lmao
2018-10-04 13:49
#194
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Finland siloquez 
Ok that's enough HLTV for today for you sir.
2018-10-04 13:57
#266
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World ///fuck 
Finland has Scandinavia's best army and they are not in NATO btw.
2018-10-04 15:04
#274
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Finland Jodecast 
you probably think finland is in nato. Na education
2018-10-04 15:12
#285
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United States Rod0lfo 
I aren’t didn’t think that, but for most of EU it stands true.
2018-10-04 15:31
but thats honestly why you are in dept so much
2018-10-04 13:47
#92
allu | 
Finland samje 
I like our system better, but ofc it is not perfect
2018-10-04 13:05
#95
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Germany Roflcopter234 
the income tax of the usa is even higher than the german. the difference is, we pay higher social security contributions. Which is a GOOD thing
2018-10-04 13:07
#122
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United States Rod0lfo 
If you make more than 55k€ you are taxed 42% in the USA if you make more than 500k$ you are taxed 39% nt tho, not to mention your sales tax is nearly double most states (if they even have any some don’t for food, clothing etc.)
2018-10-04 13:23
#168
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Germany volt =D 
>earn more, get taxed less WHAT DOINK MURRICA???
2018-10-04 13:47
#171
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United States Rod0lfo 
???? Google the tax bracket, the highest is 39% the average is like 22%
2018-10-04 13:49
#174
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Germany volt =D 
The richest pay 0% taxes in MURRICA OMEGALUL
2018-10-04 13:49
#177
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United States Rod0lfo 
Same in EU but that’s because they know how to evade taxes, their companies pay far more in taxes than most Americans will ever make in their life OMEGALUL
2018-10-04 13:51
#179
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Germany volt =D 
>Jeff Bezos >Taxes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
2018-10-04 13:52
#184
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United States Rod0lfo 
>Amazon >taxes Pay more in 1 month than you will make in your life time retard
2018-10-04 13:53
sales taxes for staple food are 7% nt
2018-10-04 13:49
#175
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United States Rod0lfo 
Most states are 0% for staples, and >10% for everything else
2018-10-04 13:50
Thats why the USA has so many debts
2018-10-04 13:52
#180
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United States Rod0lfo 
No our military is, also our pseudo socialist programs that don’t work. Our finances are fucked up tho for sure.
2018-10-04 13:53
Yes, military is also a big reason
2018-10-04 13:53
xxaxxaxaxaxaxa mad cuz cant afford uni
2018-10-04 13:07
I just went on youtube and found a lot of videos where people in USA are asked simple questions. Most of them in college or in high school and they could not answer anything right. Think the colleges and high schools in the us are excellent? I think they are crap unless you pay 100k++++ for you degree....
2018-10-04 13:12
#107
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United States Rod0lfo 
No they are crap if you pay 100k+ for your degree lmao, those videos often pick the dumbest answers so not very reliable. Anything that’s not an Ivy League school and costs more than 100k$ is a waste of money.
2018-10-04 13:14
No they just pick random of the street and even a college student cant answer which country then Panama canal is in... It sad so sad...
2018-10-04 13:21
Most do not even know what religion Israel have. They are asked "name a country that starts with a U" only a few people actually said United States of America.... A lot said Utah....
2018-10-04 13:23
#133
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United States Rod0lfo 
Geography isn’t America’s strong point I’ll agree with that (mainly cause it’s good for keeping the sheeple in agreement with fighting offshore wars), but they still pick the dumbest answers to put in the video because it wouldn’t be funny if everyone got it right...
2018-10-04 13:27
gyazo.com/40d851e2d02d3464d394b48dc97af6.. nice budget you got there. Trump really highlighting the important things xDDD
2018-10-04 13:13
only for germans though, feelsbad
2018-10-04 13:14
#109
ZywOo | 
Denmark rjdp 
Everyone should give this a watch: youtube.com/watch?v=REI7-jeCzBk Really puts everything into perspective
2018-10-04 13:15
#112
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Bulgaria BroN 
i dont know about other eu countries ,but here i study in second best university - law and pay only 140 euro per semester ;)
2018-10-04 13:16
#129
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United States Rod0lfo 
Nice have fun making 100k€+ a year and playing far over the average American in taxes for education every year.
2018-10-04 13:24
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States.. I wouldnt like to pay for this shit, too
2018-10-04 13:37
#152
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United States Rod0lfo 
I agree our problem is our (((military))) we shouldn’t pay so much but we do. In Germany you pay nothing because our military covers you so you’re welcome I guess.
2018-10-04 13:39
#320
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Bulgaria BroN 
here you pay income tax at an annual flat rate of 10%
2018-10-05 13:25
#321
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United States Rod0lfo 
Moving to Bulgaria brb
2018-10-05 13:26
Stop feeding the troll..
2018-10-04 13:18
#126
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United States Rod0lfo 
Hahaha I’m the troll for making you realize you’re getting shamed lmao
2018-10-04 13:23
#119
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
Brainfart2
2018-10-04 13:22
Are you always that dumb, or today is special day?
2018-10-04 13:23
Capitalist speaking. This is just another debate about rightists VS leftists.
2018-10-04 13:33
0/8 Brainfart0
2018-10-04 13:36
Taxes Europe is like paying for Security
2018-10-04 13:41
More education for more people = Bad american logic
2018-10-04 13:45
#163
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Germany volt =D 
Another day another bait. McBurger defends murrican debt slavery, but for him it's fine since he will never see an university from the inside.
2018-10-04 13:45
2018-10-04 13:45
#167
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United States Rod0lfo 
You do realize most of that is research money...
2018-10-04 13:47
yeah but the money that goes to universities in europe is also research money
2018-10-04 13:48
I can go to the free university here and could move to the USA then. So you are still the dumb
2018-10-04 13:46
#176
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Finland xcel 
After reading this thread ,I now believe 50% of all people believe jews rule the world and the other 49% are trying to calculate expenses of an University education with high school math. And then there is that one guy who said you can just print more money...holy shit im done
2018-10-04 13:51
#182
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Turkey tastemycobra 
xd this is hltv dude. we're just killing time to forget about we're getting closer to death second by second.
2018-10-04 13:53
#191
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Finland xcel 
Yea i know, but i actually think some of these guys are serious
2018-10-04 13:56
#186
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Germany volt =D 
H L T V L T V
2018-10-04 13:54
#220
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United States Rod0lfo 
Well basic math is an easy way to do it, you can pull out the calculus and calculate how much each person who gets an education provides to the economy and so on but basic math gives you a good rough idea of what your paying.
2018-10-04 14:14
#227
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Finland xcel 
Even arguing about this is waste of time. Is public transport system useless because your parents bought you a car? And those who didnt get it paid for them can just take a loan or walk?
2018-10-04 14:22
Private mass transit exists
2018-10-04 15:45
#299
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United States Rod0lfo 
I drive a $1000 99 jeep Cherokee that has quite a few issues that I bought with money from working, nt assuming I’m rich though my children will live privileged
2018-10-04 16:01
Welcome to Hltv.org
2018-10-04 14:57
#183
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Spain emCee_ 
And u pay taxes for literally nothing, so at the end you pay more. So, u have to pay the health security and then ur studies that it is a great amount of money. So eventually, u spend more money. Stupid american.
2018-10-04 13:53
#188
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Spain emCee_ 
And then if u are covered, cause maybe u have been paying for health security during years and when u have cancer the company doesnt want to pay LUL Really funnt, isnt it? Wow, u are really advanced on America, people dying because of ur stupidity and u think ur system it's better when finally u pay more money xD Simply ridiculous.
2018-10-04 13:55
#192
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United States Rod0lfo 
If you have cancer for years you’re not going to live anyways lmao so who cares id rather die of cancer in a year than live painfully for 10 and then die
2018-10-04 13:56
#199
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Spain emCee_ 
U such a shame. U really should die posting those comments.
2018-10-04 13:58
#202
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United States Rod0lfo 
Oof tio, what I said is true though if I got cancer I would rather go travel the world with my little time left and then die, instead of sit in a hospital for 10 years slowly dying a painful death
2018-10-04 14:00
#208
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Spain emCee_ 
By your stupid comment I can asure u are not older than 15 yo. Then, u dont pay taxes. Why are u fucking posting that, kid? Maybe cause of ur daddy.
2018-10-04 14:04
#213
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United States Rod0lfo 
I’m 18 about to be 19 and I’m in uni. Because I can see how the tax system screws you over more I’m retarded lmao :p our taxes are shit too but because our (((military))) and Jewish banks fuck it up.
2018-10-04 14:06
#272
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Spain emCee_ 
18 yo guy who has never work in his life and lives good because of his parents. Mate, u are a poem.
2018-10-04 15:11
#280
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United States Rod0lfo 
Nt but I worked most of last semester, worked full time over the summer, my parents are divorced my dad is broke, my mom does average but nt.
2018-10-04 15:22
#189
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United States Rod0lfo 
Well we pay most of our taxes for our (((military))) which is bullshit. We do get everything you get except “free” uni and “healthcare” and it’s harder to leech off our system than it is in EU
2018-10-04 13:55
#200
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Spain emCee_ 
So congratuliations, u dont want to pay taxes for health or education, but yes for military. U soo stupid
2018-10-04 13:59
#204
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United States Rod0lfo 
If we cut our military that would be amazing paying for the military is the most painful considering it’s like 50% of our taxes
2018-10-04 14:01
#231
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Europe flyingcowhat 
TBH I would rather my taxes went on healthcare and giving people an education, then to have most of it go on Trumps ego.
2018-10-04 14:26
#234
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United States Rod0lfo 
It’s not trumps ego, it’s israels army. We have been fighting wars for banks since WW1
2018-10-04 14:27
#246
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Europe flyingcowhat 
Ok. I would rather not have my money going to the military which you would need a lot less of if it wasn't for the stupidity of the US government. Also people should look in the mirror and stop blaming Israel for everything. You've done a lot worse to them then they could ever do to you.
2018-10-04 14:35
#344
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Ethiopia thiccboiww 
They actually increased the military budget with Trump, good going dumb fucks.
2018-10-05 15:56
#345
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United States Rod0lfo 
Did I say I agree with that anywhere?
2018-10-05 15:57
#350
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Ethiopia thiccboiww 
WELL CONSIDERING you're afraid of centrists like Bernie Sanders and cheer for Trump instead, you most definitely agree.
2018-10-05 16:01
#355
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United States Rod0lfo 
Have I said I was a trump supporter here? I’m a big time non interventionist, I think we need enough military to defend not for offense. We could cut our military in 2/3 and I think it would still be too much military. I hate that our government fights wars for Israel and destroys nations in the process, if a country wants to have a dictator let them, it’s not OUR problem.
2018-10-05 16:12
#389
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Ethiopia thiccboiww 
And who did you vote for?
2018-10-05 18:06
#394
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United States Rod0lfo 
I was 17 at the time of the election but I would’ve voted for trump as he was the better option, if I could’ve voted for anyone it would be Rand Paul though.
2018-10-05 18:28
my first semester in bulgaria was 100$ come at me fags xaxa
2018-10-04 13:54
I live in denmark and we have the highest taxes, and it is + - 46 %. But we also get more money from the state, than any other countries. So it is bullshit what u are saying, bc yes we pay alot of money to taxes but we get more money so we still have enough. sry for ,
2018-10-04 13:56
What do you expect from retards? They still think Trump lowered taxes but with the tariffs the cost of living went up for others than mega rich.
2018-10-04 15:53
University degrees create a more productive and competitive country, so you gain back a lot more than you pay in on taxes.
2018-10-04 14:20
#229
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United States Rod0lfo 
That’s is kind of true, a lot of people go to uni when they don’t need to so it’s a waste of time and money.
2018-10-04 14:25
Depends. Statistically on average those who go to uni do a lot better. Obviously there are some who are very successful without uni, but most are not.
2018-10-04 14:43
but we're not drowning in student debts unlike the avg american
2018-10-04 14:25
#232
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United States Rod0lfo 
The average American has 34k$ in debt if you aren’t retarded you can pay it off in 2-5 years
2018-10-04 14:26
most of eu has 0 student debt, plus, we also don't get set back a few years of paying a debt if we need to visit a doctor
2018-10-04 14:28
as long as you have insurance you’re fine
2018-10-05 14:42
#346
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Ethiopia thiccboiww 
LMaooooo, you have to struggle with insurance companies for everything, and there's no guarantee they will even give you money. Read sometimes.
2018-10-05 15:58
It is okay i'd rather have the free health care
2018-10-04 14:26
#235
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United States Rod0lfo 
You know insurance exists?
2018-10-04 14:28
Yea and its amazingly expensive, with a lot of people who cannot afford it. Also health insurance does not cover everything.
2018-10-04 14:45
#287
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic Puqet 
neither does the universal health care
2018-10-04 15:35
That you still have to pay a shit tonne for, whereas, you guessed it, I don't, the same for a lot of the developed world, let me know when you make it here
2018-10-04 16:52
First of all, your insurance costs vs what we pay through income tax in Europe cannot be compared. Secondly, insurance sadly just does not cover everything. Here is a case in point; youtube.com/watch?v=T3Tj7m6eNJ0 once she turns 21 no insurance will cover her insanely overpriced medicine, that costs her around $75,000 a month. In Europe, we wouldn't have to worry about such things, ever, period. It would be covered and in the minority part of Europe where it isn't, the price of medicine does not come anywhere near to that obscene cost. And as a third and final point, sadly insurance agencies also have people hired in the US with the responsibility to find loopholes to get them out of paying their clients' medical bills when claims are made. I personally know stories of people in US who despite having medical insurance, lost all benefits of the plan when they did become ill (cancer). What an incredibly sad and broken society you live in. One that has you so brainwashed from the elite, that you actually truly think that you are better of in the US. Despite the fact that your tax rates aren't all that more favourable. In some parts of Europe, we have the same income tax as you, and still have a greater disposable income at the end of the month when all bills are paid. On top of that, we never have to worry about whether we can afford to empower and further ourselves through education or whether we have to sell our home to cover the medical bills if we or a close member of the family falls ill.
2018-10-04 23:36
my parents pay only like $300 a month for healthcare, funny how you guys have to bring this up when you secretly know you’re our bitches
2018-10-05 14:46
#348
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Ethiopia thiccboiww 
Good job ignoring everything he said. There's no guarantee that the insurance company will even pay a fucking penny, they want money and they will do everything not to pay a single penny. Did you know that americans pay MORE for healthcare, OBJECTIVELY.
2018-10-05 15:59
I’m not saying I’m against free healthcare, nor am I denying that our healthcare is more expensive than most other developed countries, it’s just that the fact that most Americans spend 100k on healthcare is a myth
2018-10-05 16:05
#439
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Switzerland Evhron 
causse they wont go to the doctor cause they scared of the bill, all those stories about people refusing ambulances too
2018-10-06 13:29
#443
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United States Rod0lfo 
Also if you have any somewhat decent heath insurance you can go to the doctor whenever you want, anyways going to the doctor is overrated, the only time I’m my 18 years of life I went like 2x and that’s when I fractured my wrist and sprained my wrist. Well people refuse ambulances if they don’t need them, like if you have a heart attack you wouldn’t care but if you cut your finger off or anything non life threatening you don’t need an ambulance.
2018-10-06 16:27
"the average American spent $9,596 on healthcare" in 2012, which was "up significantly from $7,700 in 2007." Source: cms.gov/research-statistics-data-and-sys.. healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection.. US ranked number 1 in healthcare spending per capita. Who is worse off again? And "Health spending per person in the U.S. was $10,348 in 2016 – 31% higher than Switzerland, the next highest per capita spender." (Source healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection..) You really have to be brainwashed from the elite with endless capital over an extended period of time, for you to think you are better off with private insurance. Not only is it a fact it is more expensive, but you are also worse off with higher medical bills and much lower guarantee of help in case shit hits the fan.
2018-10-05 18:46
#240
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World madman112 
I think like 0,7% of all of the taxes in Finland goes to universities. After my graduation my bruttosalary should be somewhere near 80k a year. From that I roughly pay 40-43 percent taxes which means in the next 30 years I will pay like 8 500euros taxes to the universities indirectly. Yeah you would not go to a good uni for 8 500euros in America. Not to mention that I get paid 600euros a month to study + I get a loan with 0,3% margin and 40% of it will be compensated if and when I graduate
2018-10-04 14:33
murican iq....
2018-10-04 14:31
BRAINWASHED BURGER SPOTTED XAXAXAXAXAXA IMAGINE THINKING LIFE IN THE US IS BETTER THAN IN THE EU LUL XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
2018-10-04 14:33
#292
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United States Rod0lfo 
If you live in a majority white neighborhood it is.
2018-10-04 15:44
#262
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France 0racle 
In the US university costs the same whether you are poor or rich In EU taxes are proportional
2018-10-04 14:59
I think you're forgetting that our taxes also goes to free medical help and a lot of other stuff. Not just school relating.
2018-10-04 15:01
#265
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World ///fuck 
European health care: free and good American health care: expensive and you get addicted to pain killers
2018-10-04 15:01
Dont care buddy, your system is broken. EU > USA in everything.
2018-10-04 15:12
makes sense because life is also more expensive, don't see how that makes what #273 said invalid
2018-10-04 16:00
#277
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Sweden ThorinEk 
you may be right i dotn oppose it but swedens welfare is one of the best in the world except for the recent increase in population
2018-10-04 15:17
Lol u pay high taxes + university we got it better
2018-10-04 15:34
retard
2018-10-04 15:37
and you consider yourself to be among the smart people ?
2018-10-04 15:43
#295
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Malta REKT4ngle 
I prefer paying taxes which go towards education and in the end having a highly educated population and society rather than paying taxes which go towards guns and have a retarded population which shoots over its future generation and goes to war every 2 years. You are not called the Land of Stupid for nothing. remember that
2018-10-04 15:49
#303
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Denmark Sir_Cumsized 
Did you just tell me that our high paxes goes to paying government agencies such as universities and hospitals? Wow you are one hell of a smart guy
2018-10-04 16:13
#305
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Ethiopia thiccboiww 
Hahha, and guess what you pay for, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS to a useless military. What % of american kids have parents that are "good with money", not even 5% Let's not even get started with healthcare. What an embarrassment of a country you live in.
2018-10-04 16:25
No way? Its financed by taxes?
2018-10-04 18:32
#309
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Switzerland Evhron 
American's liveing in debt for most of their life's, that's a very nice feeling
2018-10-04 20:38
Graduate in free univerity country and then move to low tax country = profit or live in switzerland who got both
2018-10-04 21:26
we are paying taxes so gypsies and uneducated mongols can live without working :))) and to our politicians who steal from us )))))
2018-10-04 21:36
#317
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Norway analpain1337 
without our tax you be poor, unless u make around 10k€/month
2018-10-04 21:39
#333
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United States Rod0lfo 
I’m not sure what you mean by this? If you’re making anything more than 3k$ a month you’re fine in USA especially if you didn’t pay taxes lmao
2018-10-05 13:56
#413
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Norway analpain1337 
if u dont pay taxes u need to pay for everyting ^^ you dont so 3k$ will do fine. but you wont buy your own road to the job for 3k/month
2018-10-05 20:40
#415
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United States Rod0lfo 
Well the community would pitch in to build a road or an entrepreneur would build it and charge you a monthly fee to use it, which could benefit you because think about the roads you use, how many times to you drive on side roads you pass or roads on the opposite side of the country? Wouldn’t it be better if you pay for what you use instead? And that would be the case for everything else. The only problem with that is that it makes it hard to coordinate if you have 30 people making 30 different roads.
2018-10-05 21:11
#416
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Norway analpain1337 
so one big city in every countery? or just one worldwide? and i assume your only allowed to drive / use roads you payfor so you cant travel?
2018-10-05 22:07
>argentina flag >mocking free university i aren't think that
2018-10-04 21:38
We use taxes healthcare etc, which is very cheap here. Murica system is just terrible bro.. murica is edge of been 3rd world.
2018-10-05 13:33
holy f you are dumb af...
2018-10-05 13:37
What is even worse is that we pay taxes, so that Americans or even Asians can studie for free or for almost nothing in our universities -.-
2018-10-05 15:52
You dont have to pay for studies, because you are retarded american prick who has been lucky to finish elementary school :) +Why would you pay money to get shot?
2018-10-05 15:54
#349
Sadokist | 
Myanmar xdcc 
americans shoot themselves to build immunity from bullets. 50cent survived 9 gunshots up close because he practice a lot.
2018-10-05 16:00
:DDDDD
2018-10-05 16:06
#353
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Brazil BoaPaNois 
In BR we have high quality and free university for everyone
2018-10-05 16:07
#354
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Indonesia Alpha_Poland 
This is retarded. The lower class in US don't need to worry about taxes but they couldn't go to college most of the time because they just could not afford it. The middle class in US have to pay 25% of tax which is surprisingly high but still lower than EU, and on top of that they still need to get a student loan to cover the entire 4 years of UNI. Do you see the problem in this? In EU the lower class have a chance of getting better, they can study their assess off, get a good degree, and live a decent life. In US, however, it is excruciatingly harder to jump classes because you were never given a chance to do so. State Universities are cheap for in-state residents yes, but all the recent policies not only didn't have any good impacts to the education system it actually reduces it. Take a look at Louisiana budget cut for state universities.
2018-10-05 16:11
#362
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United States Rod0lfo 
USA has much more class mobility if you work hard here you can make it from dirt broke to filthy rich in a few years.
2018-10-05 16:49
#372
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Indonesia Alpha_Poland 
Nah that's what Trump said. "If you work hard you'll be fine". He was born into wealth he doesn't know shit about living day by day, providing for your family when you still need to go to school and such. No matter how hard you work at Burger King, without proper education you can only be a store manager. Averaging $60k/ year as a store manager is high but definitely not filthy rich. Not only that, out of 15-30 people that work in that branch only 1-2 people can become the store manager. That's not a filthy rich nor an easy task to do for someone without proper education. If you still think that US Tax systems are good and hard work will always pay off, you either the most delusional/ignorant human being or you just simply never had a job in your entire life.
2018-10-05 17:24
#377
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Sweden Div-\ 
+1
2018-10-05 17:28
#378
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United States Rod0lfo 
Nowhere can you become rich working minimum wage your entire life, You can easily finance your education but most “educated” people aren’t rich. In USA it’s very easy to open businesses and be successful and you don’t need college for that. If you aren’t afraid to fail and work hard you can become very wealthy.
2018-10-05 17:30
#382
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Indonesia Alpha_Poland 
Holyshit this is so ignorant. Store managers do NOT make minimum wage. Here's a simple high school math, $60k is $5k a month which translates to $31.25/ hour. In southern states your minimum wage is fucking $8/hour. Hence, store managers typically make 4x the minimum wage. Another thing, do you honestly think opening a business is cheap? If it is, every fucking middle class would definitely do it since they can do it again once the first one fails. Stop living in your dream world and get into the reality. US economy is in terrible condition, you should be really scared if you are making $3k/month and barely have enough to cover your rent etc. Most US residents are living in debt do you know why? because just to receive a proper education y'all need to fucking get a STUDENT LOAN! Also, 85% of new start ups can't even profit in the first years (sort of a given facts here), how the fuck the lower class can start a business that is barely profiting while paying the ridiculously high taxes at the same time? Entertain me here smarty.
2018-10-05 17:40
#386
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United States Rod0lfo 
In the USA it can be very risky to open a business as if it fails you will be in a lot of debt, compared to working a normal 25$ an hour job which has stability, people like stability so they rather just work instead of open a business, but if you open a buisness and it does well you will make much more than others and the way our tax system works you can easily buy everything under your business and pay very few taxes. It’s all about being smart from experience or someone who has experience something college can never teach you.
2018-10-05 17:58
#391
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Indonesia Alpha_Poland 
Bro, I honestly don't know where have you been living or smoking. You can "pay" less taxes for things you bought for business but you do have to pay taxes in the end of the year out of your income. If you pay less taxes when purchasing stuffs it means you have less expenses. Thus, more taxes you ended up paying. It essentially the same as "loaning" money from the government. People that are street smart don't know shit about taxes, they maybe a great salesman, a great mechanics, or anything but the chances are slimmer for those people compare to those who actually received proper education. You might be well off not going to college and happened to be lucky with your business, but just think that there are 199 people that tried to be like you and failed. College does not teach you how to be a successful business man, they teach you how not to be a failed ones. And back to you main argument, due to this utter complete shit of US education system, people have to pay just to get a chance not to suck in life rather than getting an equal footing in life.
2018-10-05 18:19
I don't know how people have that much time for that much hate . Either wasting time writting here trying changing peoples opinion. If they don't fail they not learning from the mistakes
2018-10-05 16:41
This is so true for fellow STEM bros
2018-10-05 16:51
#366
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United States Rod0lfo 
Right retards with liberal arts degrees make our system look retarded when really they are retarded
2018-10-05 16:55
Still bro even STEM degrees in america are expensive af. It is possible to clean them within like 4 years of working but still they are too expensive. STEM degrees make college value and should be subsidized by money from predatory degrees like finance and management etc
2018-10-05 18:22
Burger brain full of fat and cant think because of it
2018-10-05 16:51
#365
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United States Rod0lfo 
+1 my brain I so fat that every breath I risk a clogged artery
2018-10-05 16:54
In Syria universities are 100% free and you can actually order money from the University if you need it without giving it back and of course free degree
2018-10-05 16:59
#369
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United States Rod0lfo 
But I thought everyone in Syria are dead from isis Kappa
2018-10-05 17:03
am,your taxes aren't included in the price...+20ish% for most stuff and no *tax for essentials*(DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE) is quite good in my opinion.
2018-10-05 16:58
#370
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United States Rod0lfo 
Yeah we are shown how much we are taxed for what we buy which is much better, also our tax rate is from 0-10% depending on the state and county. Where I live it’s like 8% but 1 hour over in PA there’s no sales tax on clothing and the general rate is like 5% or 6% I believe.
2018-10-05 17:04
clothing is simple,I am talking about essentials,such as food and water. +Food quality control is much higher than in the US. For clothing,you can find a pair of jeans for 30€ and you can also find one for 5€,it just depends on where you are looking
2018-10-05 17:20
#373
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United States Rod0lfo 
Oh well staple foods are tax free everywhere like flour, rice, uncut meat, fresh produce, etc. but if it’s precut they can tax it, it’s actually really interstate like a bag of sliced bagels are taxed but a bag of uncut bagels aren’t. Basically if the food is “prepared” they tax it but again it’s only 0-10% depending on the state. Our sales tax is much much much better than EU’s.
2018-10-05 17:25
#374
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Sweden Div-\ 
That's utter bs. Do you have any idea how much it costs for example a medical education in the US? And how the young MDs are forced to choose surgical training after graduating because it's the only way they can pay back their study loan? No, you have no idea, so stop posting shit bro.
2018-10-05 17:27
#379
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United States Rod0lfo 
Yes MDs are expensive but they represent a small portion and get payed very well after so it evens out, doctors here make 2 to 10x more than you do in Sweden and the average doctor makes 3x as much, plus we are taxed less and cost of living is significantly lower. But mah free college.
2018-10-05 17:35
#388
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Yugoslavia BuddDwyer 
I am too lazy to put full research into taxes in each state but I am pretty sure most blue states are almost on the same level with average taxes in EU and people get nothing in return
2018-10-05 18:06
"if your parents are good with money can pay for most of your schooling" Wow so you are telling me that if you have money you can afford stuff?Thank you Mr Murica,would've never guessed
2018-10-05 18:09
#408
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United States Rod0lfo 
we’ll if you’re “poor” (minimum wage) and over 30 you did something wrong and it’s YOUR fault. You don’t have to go to college in the USA, you can work many office/factory jobs without education, you can go to trade school, you can self teach IT, etc, etc. if you work retail your entire life that is because YOU are lazy and don’t want to better yourself. How many poor people in Europe go to college and pull themselves out of “poverty” (I put quotations because nobody is really poor other than homeless in the USA or EU). In the USA it seems about 30% people born poor make it to middle class with about 4% making it rich. I couldn’t find stats for EU but maybe if I did specific country searches I could find some info.
2018-10-05 20:00
#393
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Germany phlizz 
the system is evisioned the way that if you are a poor kid, you get the same opportunity to study as someone rich. we pay a lot of taxes for a lot of things. you mentioned if you parents are "good with money" rich you can do such and such. obviously but our sytem is build so if you have no money you can still do such and such, instead of being fcked. obviously rich ppl will favor the american system because they pay less taxes and get super rich. here ppl get goverment money for all kind of shit to help them. so you get back from your taxes unless your wealthy enouth on your own. in america it goes all for army and wars. money you dont spend on taxes you will spend on shit where in EU youd get money for from govt.
2018-10-05 18:26
In Scotland all public education is free. Every country (bar 1 or 2) has tax and if that tax is going towards education I'm happy. I'd rather it go there than to drone strikes on innocent Syrian children.
2018-10-05 18:34
+1
2018-10-05 18:35
You're right but wrong too. Lets take Denmark in perspective. Im Danish and I really like our system and I think it's the most humanlike system. I know we pay for people that doesn't do anything for the country but we want people to have a good life quality. If you have no money in USA you have no future. In Denmark you can have nothing but still get a decent life, education etc. I get your points but you have to think more wide and maybe dont put EU because it's not all european countries that is like this with high taxes, England is similar to USA.
2018-10-05 18:43
And hey if your parents doesnt have money how would you get a education then?????
2018-10-05 18:44
#411
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United States Rod0lfo 
First you go to a community college for your first 2 years and get your prerequisites for your major, then transfer to a different school and to pay, you get an interest free loan (until you graduate) from the government, scholarships, work while studying, grants etc. and then you get a decent job with your degree after graduation and pay it back over the course of a few years. If you get a useless degree in the job market then you suffer and complain about how expensive school is but if you get a real degree from a state uni or cheaper private school you can make $60k+ a year right out of school and pay off your debt in 2 years. By the way going to a community college for your first two years has no statistical downside compared to going to a four year school for all four years, I’m going to my 4 year school all 4 years because it’s only 4,000$ more a year and the engineering program is easier to do this way cause they don’t offer every class I need at the community college but you can totally do it the path is just a little different.
2018-10-05 20:10
#420
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Finland Jodecast 
still, have to get to budget options to get a degree. Better if everyone has the equal opportunity to go to top universities
2018-10-05 22:24
#422
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United States Rod0lfo 
Well if you are smart you can get into good univeristies through great scholarship programs especially if your poor, in Europe you lack a lot of elite tier schools, in the USA people who are smart enough to go to Harvard hardly don’t go because of money issues, but if your rich of course it’s easier to get in but that’s because they get a lot of donation money from it too. As long as your school doesn’t have a large black population it’s going to be as good as any other school.
2018-10-06 00:19
#424
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Finland Jodecast 
still, there will be always be people that cant afford their education. And still, in finland we have a law that every school need to provide equal education on the same level in the entire country, something usa will only dream off And please dont come with oh usa so much bigger wont work bla bla bla Just the idea that you have to get yourself in debt to get good education is just retarded, but its usa, where the only thing you care about is that you earn more than your neighbour and give zero fucks about the other ones around you, even if they are suffering and cant do shit
2018-10-06 00:30
#425
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United States Rod0lfo 
Providing equal education is bullshit though, if you are smarter you should go to a school designed for smarter people like Ivy League schools. You don’t have any Ivy League schools, the majority of our universities are pretty similar, and private univeristies allow for specialization. Americans only caring about earning more than your neighbor is bullshit, idk where you got that from. (fairly odd parents?) But one of the problem is we are so diverse we have large German, Irish, Italian, Scandinavian, Polish, Black and Hispanic populations and we tend to segregate into groups and are less willing to help those of other groups, like how in Finland you have pretty much only Finns so helping them hurts less than helping some random Muslim or some random polish person. And it’s very obvious when you see the effect of immigration. We are not a homogenous society so it won’t work.
2018-10-06 00:52
usa OMEGALUL.. forever in debt
2018-10-05 18:49
#418
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France Mosteller 
Yeah of course, your country is a model in terms of education and quality of life compared to other European countries...
2018-10-05 22:19
Still not paying 150k$ for a diploma.... Cause we have healthcare and many more things all our lives.
2018-10-05 22:21
#421
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Latvia Tibro 
who cares about that shit in csgo communtiy stfu
2018-10-05 22:26
Yet you are still dumb...
2018-10-06 00:55
#428
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United States Rod0lfo 
ME NO STOOPED U TWO STOOPED!
2018-10-06 02:52
...and autistic
2018-10-06 14:51
USA master race
2018-10-06 06:55
been to america, cool country but i wouldnt want to live there. cant beat western europe.
2018-10-06 11:53
#440
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Denmark Skejzen 
we also get paid to enter uni.
2018-10-06 13:58
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