Good one. Luckily I know more than you think. Obviously they were underdogs by late 2017-early 2018 when they started becoming good (ECS Season 4 Grand Final comes to mind, absolutely epic final that first showed how good mouz was) but after the Boston major they easily proved themselves to be a good top 8 team in the world and after they won the V4 tournament they were the 2nd best team in the world, behind FaZe. At this time, they definitely weren't underdogs but as the better teams started coming in (namely Astralis) they fell down in ranking. Furthermore, I want to use facts to prove that mousesports was better with STYKO. Ever since they picked him up with suNny after PGL Krakow, they only had 2 results out of top 8 over the span of about 11 months. Since adding Snax, they already have had 3 results out of top 8. Plus, if you watch demos you will notice that their teamplay is much worse, and their star players (aside from suNny) have all dropped off.