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DO PROS CHEAT?
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic fnx_2_majors 
I am honestly down guys, after the forsaken ban i wonder if other pros are cheating as well, you can see same shit he was doing did by flusha, rickeh, subroza etc, and do you guys remember emilio? so fucking blatant, jesus, and he wasn't caught on LAN, HOW, it must be so fucking ez, it hurts me guys, it fucking hurts me, and people will rather focus on the game, as they do not want to lose confidence and make a fool out of themself, they will rather don't say anything than accuse someone for cheating...
2018-10-20 13:45
No
2018-10-20 13:46
You have 1 day old example they do
2018-10-20 13:47
#11
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Germany JJojojo 
he was some no namer from a country without any scene. You consider him as a "pro"?
2018-10-20 13:54
He was being paid so, yeah, ofc he was a pro, best cs player out of 1 bilion of people LOL
2018-10-20 13:56
#32
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Germany JJojojo 
he cheated so probably he wasn't the best without. And i hope you know that in India only about 10% of the whole civilization have access to internet. The player count in cs in India measured at the amount of people at the country is about 0,01%... Every other country like USA, Germany etc. has more players than India.
2018-10-20 14:16
? What I said was a truth and the LOL should state for a joke
2018-10-20 14:21
#54
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Germany JJojojo 
well then that sarcasm wasn't clear to me at all. But still he's not a "pro" like every other player who plays pro league EU/US etc. They would have never qualified for a bigger international event due to the lack of skill etc. Tier 1/2 EU/NA players would never cheat that blatant on LAN. Nobody can say what they're doing Online but I'm pretty sure you can't cheat on LAN if it's an event with reasonably reputable organizers
2018-10-20 14:27
OK but professional - engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as an amateur Google approved /closed
2018-10-20 14:30
#85
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Germany JJojojo 
Of course he's a pro from definition but that was never my point.
2018-10-20 15:12
your point is dudu you are talking about 100 players on the top, that are probably not cheating, but there much more players in the pro scene you know
2018-10-20 16:52
#194
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Czech Republic Korenus 
Using dudu just rips my balls off... What are you nine or smthng? Stupid Daequan an his shitty use of words...
2018-10-22 21:42
you are brain dead .
2018-10-22 23:13
ok . troyy[tw] .
2018-10-22 23:16
#205
f0rest | 
India compL1 
He is playing at Extremeland Asia 2018 a 100k $ tournamnet and he is not pro. OK.
2018-10-22 22:07
well i need to stop you there he played at the esl india finals and since it was an esl event they had esl standards which means every player gets a harddrive with his cfg and everything else. He literally copied his exe onto the hard drive the organizers gave to him for the event....there are ways to inject cheats that are way more sneaky than this.
2018-10-23 02:10
#281
KQLY | 
Brazil 1710710 
Unlike g0dzera bester out of 7 billion
2018-10-23 20:37
nazi got rekt. gj
2018-10-20 14:14
#35
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Germany JJojojo 
#32 read facts before insulting. But with that name you can't be taken serious anyways.
2018-10-20 14:18
"taken serious" "on HLTV". Man, you need to see your lifegoals over.
2018-10-20 14:49
What's wrong in being reasonable or talking sense on a internet forum/thread. Just because kids and idiot trollers do not have the sense of having a normal conversation doesn't mean we have to make it a stereotype and jump into the trends. If your life goals include these type of trolling & baiting on internet, I actually feel sorry for you.
2018-10-22 21:59
he got caught cheating at his first international lan
2018-10-20 14:21
#2
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
It's impossible to cheat on Lan.
2018-10-20 13:46
expected
2018-10-20 13:50
#222
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United Kingdom AaronZeller 
+1 Forsaken had to learn this the hard way. So stupid, he destroyed his team and the Indian scene.
2018-10-22 23:23
#3
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Australia Sk8erBoi8713 
word.exe not responding
2018-10-20 13:47
You can't cheat on VAC secured servers.
2018-10-20 13:48
#6
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Australia zi8gzag 
+1
2018-10-20 13:49
#17
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Europe FoolishExpert 
-1
2018-10-20 14:02
You can*
2018-10-20 14:35
Proof it
2018-10-20 14:37
Project Cocaine... Btw, typical Cheats from Germany ;)
2018-10-20 15:17
+1
2018-10-20 14:49
#186
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Poland Spanksss 
THIS
2018-10-22 21:29
#206
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Austria paczken 
+1
2018-10-22 22:25
#211
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Sweden Hoonken 
allow me to laugh there are cheats that is more advanced then vacs system
2018-10-22 23:10
#263
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Portugal mrsc 
+1 quality meme
2018-10-23 12:06
ty mr mrsc
2018-10-23 12:08
#8
Germany _187_ 
it hurts there are still so many dumb kids who still believe players like flusha, shox and subroza never used cheats, but it is what it is
2018-10-20 13:51
+1
2018-10-20 14:02
#172
NiKo | 
Other HasomY 
didnt shox talk shit about flusha cuz he was fishy
2018-10-22 21:23
yes, he said it on ts to some friends that you can clearly see it. it was about the scene on inferno. but obviously he forgot about it pretty fast :)
2018-10-23 20:33
+1 idk about shox but flusha was hacking for sure
2018-10-23 01:55
you can bet your left ball ;) was as obvious as flusha
2018-10-23 20:33
#247
shox | 
India wcgxlr8 
shox cheats? lul he is just good :)
2018-10-23 02:36
he was cheating for sure, do some research and look up some clips on cbble and train and you will see it
2018-10-23 20:35
#288
shox | 
India wcgxlr8 
its called gamesense and using the crowd
2018-10-23 21:29
gamesense means you lock straight on the enemy through walls, interesting flusha was also clean I guess
2018-10-23 21:50
#9
hzY | 
Nepal Avhy 
They will be caught
2018-10-20 13:52
These days it is impssibile bruhh, srry.
2018-10-20 13:52
#13
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Switzerland Nikon_user 
nobody cheats in top 30 that's for sure
2018-10-20 13:59
+1 But if we go back 3-4 years ago.....
2018-10-20 14:02
Stfu
2018-10-22 22:04
butthurt spotted
2018-10-22 23:07
Provide evidence and not opinions lmao
2018-10-22 23:08
yes, wait, i am gonna access flusha's pc, give me a sec
2018-10-22 23:11
#14
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Europe loonek4 
Maybe like tier 3 players online, cheating nowdays isn't worth it.
2018-10-20 14:02
Yeah, i think for sure, for no namers on Faceit and ESEA, you know they cheat
2018-10-20 14:04
yeah, prize pools increase year by year but sure, where a lot of money is it isnt worth to betray so many naive kids, its unreal
2018-10-20 14:09
#22
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Europe loonek4 
Do you really think pros who earn THOUSANDS of dollars a month just for playing for an org will risk their career just to win 8k$ in a tournament?
2018-10-20 14:12
ok, do you think flusha never cheated? he was the most obvious pro. didnt he earn a lot of money with cs too? why do you think fnatic won / earned so much? :)
2018-10-20 14:14
#28
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Europe loonek4 
There's no convincing evidence of him cheating
2018-10-20 14:15
#8
2018-10-20 14:16
#33
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Europe loonek4 
not an evidence
2018-10-20 14:17
I am sure you also believe tour de france is clean
2018-10-20 14:20
+1 LOL
2018-10-20 14:24
#55
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Sweden X-rAy 
thats why today hes just some average player. like he always was...
2018-10-20 14:28
#62
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Europe loonek4 
Most of 2014/15 top 20 players are shit nowdays, look at snax,kennyS,neo,happy,nbk,jw,get right,cajunb,skadoodle,dosia,adren and many more, do you think they all cheated?
2018-10-20 14:31
#65
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Sweden X-rAy 
no but i think flusha did at some point (when fnatic was unstopabble). the players u have mentioned just stopped practicing as much as they did before.... big salaries but low motivation.
2018-10-20 14:32
#67
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Europe loonek4 
There's no convincing evidence of him cheating
2018-10-20 14:34
#73
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Sweden X-rAy 
there are many convincing evidence. you have your opinion i accept it. but for me as I play cs since 2000 way before any of these pros i can assure you he has too many fishy things that hes done in just 1 year. check xizt forest getright or any other oldschool such as neo taz etc
2018-10-20 14:38
#74
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Europe loonek4 
Random aimlocks aren't really convincing
2018-10-20 14:40
he literally has 0 aimlock/smoke kills moments right now compared to back then where he used to do it like 5-10 times a match. i get it some players do become suck over time, but flusha has changed entirely as a player and that's really suspicious, especially if you were there in 2015 or whatever year his prime was, watching him do those 'amazing things' with your own eyes.
2018-10-23 01:50
Yeah, it was his / fnatic way to get to the top, csgo was new game and i can imagine the pressure wasn't there.
2018-10-20 14:17
"but sure, where a lot of money is it isnt worth to betray"
2018-10-20 14:14
#31
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Europe loonek4 
I'm not sure exactly sure what he meant by that
2018-10-20 14:16
people will do everything to be succesful / earn the most money when its about a lot of money. cheating in esports, doping in sports,...
2018-10-20 14:19
#42
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Europe loonek4 
Correct, many poeple might've cheated in the early stage of csgo when the the security wasn't that great so it allowed many people to cheat even on lands but now I don't think people would risk their entire career just win one tournament.
2018-10-20 14:21
what has changed about the security? pretty sure there will always be some private hacks which work on lan + the fact valve doesnt want to bust pros who have been around for years on the top
2018-10-20 14:24
#56
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Europe loonek4 
Please tell me what type of cheat would you use to risk your entire career and not get caught at lan? Wallhack obviously wouldn't work, Aim assist also could screw you over(see forsaken) so i'm not sure what a pro palyer could use besides an aimlock, sound esp etc just to gain such little advantage? It's not really worth it.
2018-10-20 14:29
#60
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Sweden X-rAy 
aim assist ( low fov maybe ) and not behind walls, would make all the difference.
2018-10-20 14:31
aim lock is "such a little advantage"? :D you cant be serious also what has changed about the security?
2018-10-20 14:32
#72
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Europe loonek4 
Are you kidding me? Have you used an aim lock cheat? Do you know how obvious it is? In early 2014 some LAN events didn't have admins behind player watching them play and they in some you were allowed to even bring your pc.
2018-10-20 14:38
yeah, so obvious thats why players like flusha could used it for so long, right? it always depends how you use it as if an admin can see an aimlock when he watch 5 pcs at the same time hahahaha after smn got busted people noticed those things, before that most people just thought players like flusha were extremly good. all these fishy clips just got public after that. you and me never noticed those fishy things live, so dont talk bullshit like its so obvious.
2018-10-20 14:45
#78
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Europe loonek4 
like I said there's no convincing evidence of flusha cheating. Forsaken did 1 sketchy play and admin caught him, see twitter.com/Slasher/status/1053226510310..
2018-10-20 14:48
its useless to discuss with you if you still believe flusha was clean even so many other pros said in the public he is clearly cheating lol
2018-10-20 14:50
#83
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Europe loonek4 
I didn't say he's 100% clean, all I said is that there's no enough evidence to get him banned or at least say that he cheats.
2018-10-20 14:51
#58
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Sweden X-rAy 
thats not true. busting a pro in a lan tournament would just prove anti cheat works. the other pros that are cheating would stop (i dont think top 10 teams are cheating)
2018-10-20 14:30
:D think about a pro player who played for years at the top get busted, that would be a HUGE prestige damage for valve and especially for cs. "it would just prove anti cheat works", kepp on dreaming kid and think about it when you re a bit older
2018-10-20 14:35
He signed up in 2005 You signed up in 2017
2018-10-22 21:32
#18
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Lithuania KoksSkirtumas 
yes, /closed
2018-10-20 14:04
Forsakens cheats sucked, I'm sure there are far better cheats these days, all a player has to have a is a button that drags their crosshair in a very slight a subtle way towards the opponent for information gathering, you wouldn't even notice it as a spectator.
2018-10-20 14:10
+1
2018-10-20 14:24
#23
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Sweden godname 
they use to 2014 2015 but not anymore
2018-10-20 14:13
#24
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France Dov 
Currently not that much but in the beginning of csgo the pro scene was full of it. No wonder Astralis (tsm) always had hard times closing games when the other teams call a pause and comeback, hi Fnatic
2018-10-20 14:13
this
2018-10-20 14:24
ofc they do
2018-10-20 14:15
only themselves know
2018-10-20 14:19
#40
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Czech Republic SpOokyChickeN 
Flusha XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Not really...
2018-10-20 14:20
u forget Zywoo
2018-10-20 14:23
no, wanna see you have balls to cheat your real life friends just for a bit of cash, lose your career and respect, everything u ever worked for, be viewed as an idiot by the whole community, not many would do it cause its just not worth it, and even if they would they would simply get caught just like this guy
2018-10-20 14:24
i know so many players that would cheat over 10 euros lul, main things is they do not have the cheats XD or are scared to use them
2018-10-20 14:28
its something different to cheat someone over 10 euros and to cheat someone over half a million in a major as well tho
2018-10-20 15:58
? ofc
2018-10-20 16:47
+1
2018-10-20 16:50
btw im glad we pluseoned the same comment #49 u are liek a brother to me now
2018-10-20 16:51
nice :)
2018-10-20 16:53
Yeah because those players you talk about earn fuck all and are hungry for moneiz. Top players earn a lot and they understand that they can have quite a long, stable career in cs. Even winning a major or some other big tournament is not worth it in the long run.
2018-10-22 21:38
lol ... just two names Saviour and Life, both were caught match fixing, prosecuted, banned for life and their carreer and legacy have been destroyed (in case of Saviour we can talk about universal hate from everyone ... because the m-f scandal caused downfall of Korean scene in general) ... and we are talking about top 3/5 players to ever play SC:BW and SC2 respectively. It's not exactly the same, yea, nonetheless, some people don't share general moral standards and "worth it" is really subjective thing.
2018-10-22 21:15
Yes and they got banned, second thing is that you cant just cheat ingame for like several years unnoticed, impossible
2018-10-22 21:17
Well we notice
2018-10-22 21:31
We means silver 4’s?
2018-10-22 21:36
First generation, 17+ year pc gamer Currently dmg Lol
2018-10-22 21:49
#49
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Ireland TGC_ 
there probably are some in like t3/4 ESEA Advanced, but 100% not at a decent level, no one in top 30 atleast, probably no one in top 75 aswell tbh
2018-10-20 14:24
+1
2018-10-20 14:27
+1
2018-10-20 15:58
#52
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Denmark Ulver 
I think several pros have cheated or cheat online, and then when they get to LAN they don't use any cheats anymore unless they are severally stupid like Forsaken. Once they have reached LAN tournament the cheats have done their job, because it's hard to tell bad LAN experience and spotlight nervousness from online cheats. On LAN they might play to their peak and get quite far by sheer luck which earns them a lot of money, or by simply qualifying to the LAN they might already have secured a minimum of say €10K or whatever is the minimum. So yes I sadly think they are used online.
2018-10-20 14:27
#57
f0rest | 
United States PlusOne 
Lol Forsaken had the shittiest movement I've ever seen, like once people see that movement it should be easy to see.
2018-10-20 14:31
Aiming at legs and giving first shot headshots as well XAXA
2018-10-20 14:31
That's exactly the mentality that's causing this community to be shit. People don't want to believe pros cheat or have cheated so they don't even want to do some research and they blatantly lie to themselves and others on hltv/reddit to make themselves feel better. The fact is, if you wanted to cheat even on tier 1 lan, you could without any problems, this guy was stupid enough to get caught, but using methods like BADUSB there is literally no way anyone could realise you were using a low fov aimbot, executing the cheat is no problem aswell because like i said, shit like BADUSB make it impossible for admins to find the cheat and executing the cheat takes just a simple keyboard bind.
2018-10-20 14:38
+10000000000000000000000000 i think mabye like NIP were ignorant a lot back in the days
2018-10-20 14:36
#66
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Dominican Republic g8Q0wHY 
Do you all really think top tier pros are legit? LOL
2018-10-20 14:34
There was also a canadian guy at some low tier event caught cheating on lan like a year ago. I think there can be some cheaters at tier 99 events organized by unknown people. But I don't think famous players can cheat on serious events organized by well known orgs like esl, dh etc. There is a lot of eye to catch them if they did cheat.
2018-10-20 14:42
Read #63, no way anyone can detect or see a actually good private cheat.
2018-10-20 14:46
Dude you re fucked up in the head. I read your shit knowing what exactly it would be about. If some pro is cheating at those events, i have more respect for him than any other pro. Cuz it is harder to cheat there than becoming a legit pro.
2018-10-20 14:53
How is it harder? You have no knowledge of this so why do you argue with me? Tell me, how would you detect a cheat if i used BADUSB to implement the cheat into the firmware of my mouse?
2018-10-20 16:10
Like you have knowledge ffs... You re just seeking attention by clinging onto a stupid conspiracy. It is always the same shit from you in every cheat thread. Maybe cheat videos on youtube will get more viewers if everyone believes some cheating illuminati story.
2018-10-20 17:12
HAAHHA where are you arguments? Tell me kiddo, how would you detect my cheat if i used BADUSB method? If you literall stand behind me you can't realise i have low fov aimbot and that is a fact. hltv.org/blog/13553/badusb-and-how-it-ca..
2018-10-21 00:20
A lot of tournaments give their own hardware to players. Tournaments organized by esl and other major organizers... Some organizers also scan players hardwares. Plus they collect the phones etc. If there were some suspected players, they should have sucked on those tournaments. But a team like Astralis is attending almost every tournament and doing fine in all of them regardless of using their own hardware or not. To turn your conspiracy into reality, there should be a cheating circle involving organizers, teams, players and even casters and all the fucking people related to pro cs. A lot of serious companies investing in cheating then? Forget about tier 1 scene... if you’re looking for real cheaters, look tier 99 online. For example, fucking EU rank s is swarming with cheaters getting their share of 20k dollars every month. And probably there are some in FPL, too. Also who knows what’s happening in LANs organized by unknown organizers at far east countries. More than cheaters, match fixing is an issue. Shady betting companies are all over and those events are ez money. If you want to go after real problems, those are your thing but i know you don’t care about fixing anything.
2018-10-22 10:59
are u retarded turqish guy? tournaments give thier own hardware to players? LOL show me this event, even on major every player can bring their own mouse and keyboard.
2018-10-22 13:37
I checked it out. And i am mistaken about tournaments giving new hardware. i remember some tournaments doing that but now i cannot find which ones they were. Regardless, there are measures taken against some shit hidden in the hardware. On majors players bring their own equipments and they have to submit them to officials for scanning. Yes, there are still ways to cheat on LAN. But you got to have specific proof before bringing every fucking pro under suspicion.
2018-10-22 16:00
No, there is absolutely no way admins will find cheat in firmware, stop umberassing yourself if you don't know what you're talking about. Your only argument about pro's NOT cheating on lan is "omg theyre pros they wouldnt do that". You cannot proove that no pro cheated on lan and you can't proove that it's impossible to cheat on tier 1 lan.
2018-10-22 16:49
It is possible to cheat... But who’s cheating? The entire fucking scene? Do you have any specific proof someone cheating except showing me that there are ways to cheat? Or are all pros cheating for you? So there are ways to cheat but no way to catch cheaters?
2018-10-22 16:59
The obvious locks are most common giveaway. And yes, there is absolutely no way to catch, don't you know that already? Watch thoorins videos about cheating on pro scene, he said it himself, it's confirmed good coders will always be one step ahead and there is no way any anticheat can detect a good private cheat.
2018-10-22 17:01
there are ways to cheat on lan, look at this interview: youtube.com/watch?v=drrGTxsYhv4 sure this was "only" an MLG event, with a decent prize pool tho, but there hasnt been much news about better physical cheat prevention at dreamhacks or majors. only about software anti cheat which isnt relevant for undetected private cheats. pcs at tournaments have open USb ports and internet access. players brig their own gear. there are so many open attack options in those setups. what tournaments would need is to remove physical access to PC cases by putting them in locked boxes or underneath the stage, use only new hardware in the packaging from the factory, and not connect any of the lan pcs to the internet. only the PC that records the game should have an output for the stream on a second ethernet port, on a different LAN network. now we know its not just possible but plausible that someone can put cheats on a lan pc. we have opportunity. now lets look at motive. tournaments have million dollar prize pools. so thats done. third is the murder weapon. well tournaments refuse to give us locally recorded POV demos or put keyloggers/mouseloggers/etc on PCs and release these data, so the only intel we have is clips of pro players locking to heads through walls and glaive spraying through smokes with 80% hit rate.
2018-10-22 21:07
#261
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Portugal mrsc 
stop being blind for a second and process what youre being told, dont be an idiot
2018-10-23 12:02
i think like 70% of pro scene are cheating, not all like blatant idiots (flusha) but mostly with low pov aimbot and silentaim. the reasons why they cheat ? 1. its to easy to cheat on lan to not cheat. BADUSB, driverinjection, the possibilitys are impossible to believe and the admin could not really do anything about this. 2. to much money is involved. 3. everyone is doing it, so if i want to play with the best u need to cheat too or get wallbanged and smokekilled like a silver every round
2018-10-23 09:43
#82
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France Eriscium 
Tbh I think yes, a LOT more cheat. Probably more than one other person on that old Indian roster. Look at the clip where forsaken is kinda panicking trying to delete his cheats, and where the asian "watchdog" will deny it. His teammate on the left for example looks really panicked, seemingly knowing what happened. The 3 of the other teammates seem to be totally fine and unfazed however, why is that ? The team n co says then on tweeter "We didn't know about that and all etc..." I can't believe people actually trust those words. Of fucking course they're not gonna write "ok sorry we're all a bunch of cheaters... ummmm our team member fucked up cus he got caught but uuuu.... we'll try to play legit from now on". Same goes for many pro players and superstars, even s1mple, best player in the world admitted having cheated before, wouldn't that possibility apply to any other pro in that case ? CSGO esport seems to be a gigantic mess overally.
2018-10-20 14:50
+1
2018-10-22 18:47
The Germans write that there are no cheats. What a hypocrisy.
2018-10-20 15:20
pretty sure they do i can see triggerbots and aimlocks being used by several ppl.
2018-10-20 16:11
It's impossible to cheat on Lan.
2018-10-20 16:12
and on valve anti cheat even harder.
2018-10-20 16:14
+1
2018-10-20 16:15
#101
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Poland k@nios 
yes
2018-10-20 17:13
I don't want to believe it and I'm usually not the witch hunter type of guy but this definitely raises a lot of concern
2018-10-20 17:14
In my opinion is perfectly possible to cheat nowadays at online qualifiers, such as ESL Pro League and ECS. Also, qualifiers for Big Events.
2018-10-20 17:16
#104
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Romania fluxz0r 
god some of these comments are so braindead and retarded, so many retarded 12 y/os thinking its impossible for a pro to cheat even tho there are 10000 0 aimlocks
2018-10-20 17:18
#105
JW | 
Sweden XperienZeD 
Obviously, most of the pros are cheating. Astralis are using the best cheats available right now, and they are impossible to detect. They use quite more expensive cheats than that indian guy, since they can afford it.
2018-10-20 17:20
#108
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Finland Karri 
why the fuck would they cheat, they are making like 20k a month playing, you would have to be a complete retard to cheat
2018-10-22 11:01
#112
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Australia AU_CS_LUL 
You have good enough cheats that means free $20k every month for doing fucking nothing. Why wouldn’t you cheat?
2018-10-22 11:08
#117
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Finland Karri 
ok im out yall conspiracy theorists are braindead
2018-10-22 11:12
#122
JW | 
Sweden XperienZeD 
They all use cheats because they can, and if everyone else are cheating, they need to cheat too to be able to compete with the other cheaters.
2018-10-22 15:10
#130
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Finland Karri 
lmao braindead expected from sweden
2018-10-22 20:45
its true tho
2018-10-22 20:57
#243
JW | 
Sweden XperienZeD 
You are braindead finnish fucking drunk
2018-10-23 01:55
#257
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Finland Karri 
retard
2018-10-23 08:44
they wouldnt make 20k a month without cheating, theyd get kicked
2018-10-22 20:58
Elige krimz fallen flusha
2018-10-22 11:05
+1 NBK JW Dennis coldzera
2018-10-22 21:42
#110
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United States NA_BEST 
It is not possible to cheat on VAC secured servers. Valve anti-cheat is highly secured and impossible to bypass. I can guarantee you 100% cheating is impossible in this game, let alone on LAN where it is definitely impossible to cheat.
2018-10-22 11:05
Yes
2018-10-22 11:05
#113
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Australia AU_CS_LUL 
At least 5 players in top 30 have cheats 100%. There’s no way all those people are legit.
2018-10-22 11:09
#116
jaxi | 
Romania Snoui21 
S1mple is cheater exposed
2018-10-22 11:12
#287
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Sweden Hoonken 
he got cought switching accounts or somting like that so why wouldent he do more then that...
2018-10-23 20:45
Gla1ve 100 %
2018-10-23 20:41
There could be a few but I dont think most pros cheat in high tiers
2018-10-22 11:11
#115
jaxi | 
Romania Snoui21 
Yes i do
2018-10-22 11:11
#118
NBK- | 
France _NBK_ 
Forsaken did nothing wrong. He was just using word. Word is not a cheat, u can check it on google.
2018-10-22 11:19
forsaken was using propably cheap cheat public version and im pretty sure he injected on txt or pdf file like word.exe xd atleast injected on explorer.exe. and there is private version get sold monthly/yearly starting from 2k euro a month till 15-30k a year depend on the injection method etc till me in your opinion guys who would get expensive cheat? like seriously a guy who play MM or someone who play ranked on master rank? to get 130$ knife per month ? haha
2018-10-22 11:23
2018-10-22 11:34
i did, Rickeh = forsaken
2018-10-22 18:49
#134
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
this is the dumbest and stupid video i ve ever seen
2018-10-22 20:55
#129
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Argentina ivanpb 
bro how could hurt u some shit happening in a videogame?
2018-10-22 18:52
#132
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
? if u think csgo is just a videogame u might as well leave hltv, fagg
2018-10-22 20:52
#240
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Argentina ivanpb 
Why should I leave hltv? I enjoy the game, but i'm not a crybaby who feels pain by what happens inside the game. And why would I be a fag?
2018-10-23 01:27
#131
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
no, pros dont cheat, if they cheat they will get caught and banned like forsaken was. and also those big lans like esl, iem, epicenter, blast etc etc those big lan events dont tolorate cheaters so its completely impossible to cheat on lan
2018-10-22 20:51
yes also its IMPOSSIBLE to cheat on VAC secured servers !!!
2018-10-22 20:55
#139
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
hahaha ok keep believing that we will see of more pros will get banned or not, forsaken in a small lan event was caught, imagine cheating in a major for exemple hahahaha
2018-10-22 20:57
#200
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United States dougtheduck 
RIP KQLY
2018-10-22 22:01
#246
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Estonia swag420weed 
didnt cheat on lan...
2018-10-23 02:11
#249
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United States dougtheduck 
did he not cheat at Cologne
2018-10-23 03:08
#270
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Estonia swag420weed 
No
2018-10-23 15:21
#273
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United States dougtheduck 
So was the jump shot just luck
2018-10-23 16:13
#290
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Estonia swag420weed 
Yes, other pros hsve hit the same lucky jump shots aswell, even with awp. Or sre they all cheating?
2018-10-25 13:31
the only reason this indian guy got caught is that he is too poor to buy tier 1 undetected lan safe cheats
2018-10-22 20:57
#141
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
lol HAHAHA proof? i bet he bought the best cheats he found and paid good money for it
2018-10-22 20:58
i havent paid attention because this tier 5 ban in tier 3 country is completely irrelevant for EU cs but im pretty sure it was a cheap cheat, otherwise he would have gotten away with it like everyone else.
2018-10-22 20:59
#146
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
the thing is no one is hacking man, u just think that because its easier to believe that, if they are hacking they will get caught like forsaken did, trust me. im pretty sure that no one in a top100 team is hacking and now after forsaken ban even if they re cheaters on the pro scene, they will get scared because no one wants to be banned and hated by the whole communitty
2018-10-22 21:03
you just think no one is hacking because its easier to believe that they are legit. anti cheat at events is insufficient and any cyber security expert would probably burst out laughing if you describe it to them.
2018-10-22 21:10
#151
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
until they get ban i dont believe it, thats all. maybe im living in a lie or maybe you re. its only a game after all
2018-10-22 21:12
if players are cheating, valve has no reason to ban them if not a lot of ppl notice. they bring in money too. before any T1 pro gets banned cheating, it would need to become a big PR issue. it wont be an issue if no one is banned. status quo is stable. its a chicken and egg thing.
2018-10-22 21:17
#166
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
i believe that if those players re cheating and valve knows it valve would defenitely ban them, its so unfair for the players who are not cheating, and also the players who are not cheating dont have a chance against the ones who are. so by saying that u are saying that basically everyone cheats LOL
2018-10-22 21:21
corportations dont care about fair they care about money.
2018-10-22 21:22
and yes basically every pro team cheats. they take turns within the teams, and not all teams chat a lot in the same period. LG/SK/mibr and fnatic are not cheating nearly as much as in 2015-2016. which is why they dropped off. since they started to play bad i see much less locks to head and aimbot like crosshair moves. they still do use it a bit but not for every kill. probably someone from their org or tournament orgs or valve told them to turn down a bit. they were being too obvious and it wasnt good for competition. olof leaving fnatic with his "wrist issues" was just because he wanted to stop cheating as much, he made enough money. now he just takes salary in faze without getting extra info through walls all the time.
2018-10-22 21:26
who cares about being hated by random hltv users when you re cashing 10-20K a month in salary and then theres prize pools and sticker money etc. they cant hear us over the sound of their new ferrari.
2018-10-22 21:11
#157
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
yeah right,if they re getting paid why would they cheat? they re insane at the game, they ve 10k hours and those weird and fishy plays are normal. for exemple do u rly believe s1mple is cheating? ofc he inst, he is hard worker, always playing fpl and pubs always training etc etc how can he be
2018-10-22 21:17
i believe there is a big chance that simples shaking is caused by aimbot. he used to only shake with awp and not every time and it looked different. only happened after he shot, like would actually happen if you flick fast and then release tension on your muscles quickly. then he joined liquid and this wrong kind of shaking started. also hes been banned before for cheating and ban evasion.
2018-10-22 21:20
#173
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
s1mple dont even shake but ok, y ok he has been banned but it wasnt for hacks (i think, im not sure tho)
2018-10-22 21:25
he does shake and i think its aimbot shake
2018-10-22 21:26
someone can work very hard and have 10k hours and make insane plays sometimes and use cheats to make a bit more insane plays a bit more often
2018-10-22 21:20
#181
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
and also taking the risk of getting caught? i dont think so, insane players like niko, s1mple, cold etc dont cheat
2018-10-22 21:27
this is the most blatant niko clip ive ever seen, enjoy
2018-10-22 21:29
#207
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
???????? ahahah why am still talking to u, if you re not baiting you re retarded for sure. thats so fucking normal, wtf man i thought i was having a decent conversation lol
2018-10-22 23:07
sure its normal and global warming wont destroy our ecosystem and the russians arent hacking our governments, you can go back to sleep now. and btw pigs can fly
2018-10-22 23:10
#223
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
GHAHHAHAHahahahaha how eluded are you, u ve never played csgo for sure
2018-10-22 23:24
you are literally so deluded that you can see a guy use random offset aimbot (with offset so small it doesnt even aim entirely besides the heads every time) to find all 4 players in site before pushing out. and then push out showing he knows where they all are spamming at 3 of them thru the smoke. then shooting some bullet at heaven last before falling back because he knows it is clear anyway no need to prefire that first, just to make it less blatant which btw is a HUGE TELL and then say its normal and then call me deluded lmfao roflcopter omegahyperlul pls gtfo u r retarded
2018-10-22 23:32
like tell me why he looked that long at popdog when it was clear and even looked back at it after prefiring through the smoke with his info gained by cheating, if not to disguise and distract your stupid brain from the fact that hes cheating
2018-10-22 23:30
and finally, some players wouldnt be able to maintain a spot in a tier 1 team without cheating. kjaerbye would legit be silver or nova without aim assistance and this parkinson spray
2018-10-22 21:21
#179
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
yeah ok kjaerbye is weird as fuck i can agree with you, but even with cheats he is not that good is he? thats why its hard to believe
2018-10-22 21:27
if he set up his aimbot even better it would hit headshots every time even though he shakes this random, it would be even more blatant. astralis already removed him because of this. he is at his cheating skill ceiling.
2018-10-22 21:28
#212
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
astralis removed him hahahah he left by his choice and was a big suprise
2018-10-22 23:10
90% of the time when a player leaves for "personal reasons" or "his own choice" he was kicked but the org doesnt want bad PR
2018-10-22 23:12
#229
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
I love how u always know the truth and re alwaqys doubting about something
2018-10-23 00:21
its my privilege
2018-10-23 00:31
astralis cant exactly say "yeah we tried this kid and we thought he had cheating potential but it turns out he was at his limit so we are now looking at other slightly more effective blatant cheaters like magisk to take his place"
2018-10-22 23:13
to cheat more effectively kjaerbye would have to drop this shaky spray style and start using the same aimbot setup as other players
2018-10-22 21:29
Big names might get caught, but it would be utterly stupid to inform the public when you do. It is just like signing your own resignation paper, as CS.GO would take a massive popularity hit if any top player got banned. You will never know if it can be avoided, simple logical business policy.
2018-10-22 21:20
#171
TACO | 
Portugal NotRlyPT 
i will never know neither will u, so i just believe in what i think its right and in what i believe its actually happening
2018-10-22 21:23
I believe in logic. Logic tells me that they are cheating. Risk vs reward. They aren't even breaking the law. A law many people break for much smaller rewards.
2018-10-22 21:27
I bet you dont even know whats in their contracts. Pretty sure you can face legal actions if you get caught. The scene is not the same like it was 5 years ago.
2018-10-22 21:15
if you get caught. its like saying you can get a ticket in holland for speeding. you can, but there is 0 police on the streets so if you have an app that tells you where the cameras are you cant get caught. security at lan is the same. dont use detected cheats or ones that draw red outlines over enemies through walls and you wont get caught.
2018-10-22 21:18
Dont you think your average nerdy ass gamer would be scared to go against all of these huge sponsors who are paying his salary? I believe its possible for every pro coder to design undetectable private cheats but the risk is way too high though.
2018-10-22 21:25
sponsors know that players cheat in fps games
2018-10-22 21:26
sponsors know ppl use doping in tour de france.
2018-10-22 21:27
You could also write a contract which informs your player to never acknowledge the existence of cheats at all, while cheating their ass off themselves.
2018-10-22 21:28
That doesnt make any sense.
2018-10-22 21:36
It's a plausible scenario, whether it makes sense (to you!) or not.
2018-10-22 23:13
+1 But some people think the cheating magically disappears at top tier CS.GO.
2018-10-22 21:21
Tier 1 : yes some pros cheat Tier 2 : more are cheating Tier 3 : More and more are cheating
2018-10-22 20:54
Cheat makes you perform better, not worse.
2018-10-22 21:17
the more viewers/observers the harder it gets to cheat...
2018-10-22 21:18
The more you get paid, the more you are able to spend on a cheat which is specifically made for LAN.
2018-10-22 21:20
you probably know the gaussian distribution right it pretty much applies in every field where statistics can be applied... dont want to waste more on this debate cya.
2018-10-22 21:25
I thought rich people were able to buy more expensive items? Oh well, I am wrong, Gaussian distribution overrules my logic... :p
2018-10-22 21:31
yes they are. if they werent, valve and tournament orgs would be much more proactive implementing better anti cheat solutions. there is 0 news on anti cheat on hltv in like 3 years. also no POV demos
2018-10-22 20:56
Old flusha and subroza most obv yes.
2018-10-22 20:56
kjaerbye
2018-10-22 20:59
I dont watch him. Just saw a few matches his shaky aim. Could be parkinson. No idea. But the players i wrote down im 100% sure.
2018-10-22 21:03
there are enough clips where you can see kjaerbyes parkinson shake is actually very regular. he is randomly moving his mouse and the cheat pulls it back to the target before a bullet is shot. look in 0.25x speed from 3 seconds into video, him spraying at get right youtube.com/watch?v=wY3YB47M6G4
2018-10-22 21:09
Forsaken was too poor to buy a good expensive cheat.
2018-10-22 21:16
He had EzFrags, ROFL. I play against that cheat in fucking MM when I forget to turn on Prime.
2018-10-23 01:16
#158
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Sweden godname 
FLUSHA DID 2014 2015
2018-10-22 21:17
#198
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United States dougtheduck 
Source?
2018-10-22 22:00
youtube PLEASE dont be stupid!!! flusha really used to cheat.
2018-10-22 23:20
#231
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Sweden godname 
search on youtube u will find out
2018-10-23 00:57
#248
f0rest | 
India compL1 
Google it and there are tons of clips.
2018-10-23 02:46
s1mple and jw has with powerpoint.exe
2018-10-22 22:01
Nope, its not worth it. Top orgs would sue X player into oblivion.
2018-10-22 22:02
Sue for what? If it isn't included in their contract in one way another sueing is not an option. Don't forget that cheating in video games is legal everywhere, except in S.Korea.
2018-10-22 23:17
Pretty sure there's a "no cheating" clause in just about every contract.
2018-10-23 01:15
Is that pure speculation, or do you have a source of any kind to back it up?
2018-10-23 06:32
Ofc there are clauses. The top orgs make millions and have responsibilities towards investors, sponsors etc. the negative publicty from a player of theirs cheating is not something they've overlooked. Sadly there are no leaked contracts or whatnot to confirm, but its naive to believe there are none.
2018-10-23 14:42
Probably. No way for anyone to know since the current shit anti-cheat implemented into the shit game currently is just for show.
2018-10-22 22:04
Some of them clearly have done - the evidence is damning. It's unlikely, given the high profile bans, that many (if any) tier 1/2 or even 3 players in EU or US would even try it now. It'd be spotted and investigated instantly.
2018-10-22 22:06
my pro friend does so i think yes, most of em using
2018-10-22 23:17
my pro friend LOL
2018-10-23 03:24
#224
Twistzz | 
United States TLO 
No, just noobs with silver game sense just think it's hacks when a pro lines up their aim on a common angle
2018-10-22 23:25
#265
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Portugal mrsc 
yeah other pros calling out flusha are noobs as well xD still amazes me how some people think pros dont cheat, flushas case is beyond obvious. problem is some of these guys have been in the scene forever and you cant seem to accept some of them do/did cheat so you try to find these stupid excuses to make yourself feel better
2018-10-23 12:11
Moral of the story is don't get caught lul and every retard will say "No, no way anyone chitz"
2018-10-23 00:16
#228
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Brazil GoldZera 
no doubt that few of them cheat on lans many of them if not all cheat or have cheated online
2018-10-23 00:19
#232
steel | 
Belarus Ruble 
Does someone actually play without cheats?
2018-10-23 00:58
I dont know cuz i am pro
2018-10-23 01:03
#234
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Latvia latvianguy 
hltv.org/forums/threads/1907448/cheating.. You can read some stuff from my thread, freshly made and I have some inside info, more in the link.
2018-10-23 01:05
#235
s1mple | 
Europe netowx 
I think subroza cheated in some online matches, im pretty sure actually
2018-10-23 01:08
Given all the heat against cheaters since KQLY and Emilio, I honestly don't think any accomplished pro would DARE cheating nowadays. Because if you get caught, you won't just get kicked off the team and banned for a while. Your life is fucking ruined, you'll be sued into oblivion by the org and your family will be poor forever because they'll be trying to get you out of debt.
2018-10-23 01:14
#239
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Brazil GoldZera 
remember the video of moe installing hacks through teamviewer and cheating on esea?sadly i can't find it anymore seems it was deleted moe have cheated many times,he was once semi-pro
2018-10-23 01:22
seeing how forsaken aimlocks now then going back to old flusha clips, they do look similar. also why does flusha have no weird aimlock/smoke kills now? back then it used to happen multiple times when watching him live, so it's not just clips from people witchhunting him, but from actual LIVE MATCHES. hacker cunt couldn't hack anymore and started to become toxic and got kicked from fnatic lmao
2018-10-23 01:40
exactly when people say its his playstyle that makes these fishy plays, then why are there no clips of him like this anymore xD
2018-10-23 08:55
some people like to defend flusha because they think they become more pro by doing it. i call them 'elite noobs' lol
2018-10-23 12:13
no one will ever know for sure until the day they are caught. But highly doubt anyone in top 30 cheat at lan.
2018-10-23 03:20
Many play used to be, nowadays i doubt it
2018-10-23 03:23
+1
2018-10-23 03:59
Dude, i honestly don't know. Yeah, sometimes pros look weird, but even me (with shit specs and 0% dedicated training) do. I only know that CS is that kind of game that if you pratice a lot and if you literally live CS, the chances of sucess is high!
2018-10-23 03:31
#255
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Asia best_lul 
Glave cheats 100% LUL always gets kills through smokes and flashes he was garbage pre 2018 now he is relavent? LUL
2018-10-23 06:09
we cant know is this guy cheats but you are right, this guy went from mediocre player to good aim/skill in less than a year ! but i think with a more dedicated day planning spent on cs, every one can improve !
2018-10-23 08:59
Gla1ve is 100 percent cheater and I guess zonic even knows. Gla1ve went from literal decoy to knowing Everything what's going on. Nothing against astralis but gla1ve is cheating
2018-10-23 20:39
Ye, Virtus pro has been doing so good recently. Neo and Pasha must be cheaters. Along with forsaken they are using word exe
2018-10-23 12:04
Flusha were cheating long time ago...at least a lot of pros admitted it
2018-10-23 12:12
no /closed
2018-10-23 12:12
#272
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Denmark dev1cetop1 
dev1ce legit legend top1 ez
2018-10-23 15:44
#274
ritch | 
United Kingdom Meffus 
No one has ever cheated ever.
2018-10-23 16:21
#277
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Latvia Tibro 
anti cheat volvo
2018-10-23 20:34
Stop baiting jonty.
2018-10-23 20:36
Flusha Byali gla1ve KQLY forsaken They cheated all but we know who got busted
2018-10-23 20:36
#282
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Hungary Shiron212 
haha
2018-10-23 20:36
#283
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Denmark Dane01 
If anything this just proves how hard it is to chat on LAN in 2018. ESL, DH, EL, etc All probably have better monitoring and admins than the asian tournament did. So to me this just proves how hard it is to cheat on LAN today.
2018-10-23 20:37
Gla1ve proved it's possible over and over again even in major finals
2018-10-23 20:42
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