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Socialism = Misery ?
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Brazil skbestteam07 
Why in practice does socialism end up generating misery for people?
2018-10-21 17:58
Communism = Misery
2018-10-21 17:58
No, communism is the only way the human race can survive. Do you want the world to die? Just keep on cheering for capitalism and you will get your wish thrue
2018-10-21 19:16
Didn’t say at any point that I support capitalism unquestionably, just that communism in practice brings misery to everyone involved
2018-10-21 19:18
[Wrong reply]
2018-10-21 19:27
No but you implied that you don't support communism, which is needed for us to survive. It does not bring misery to everyone involved lul
2018-10-22 20:49
Ah yes because ”real communism has never been tried”, and it never will be because of human nature
2018-10-22 20:56
Ah yes the old "it's human nature to be greedy" which isn't even true
2018-10-22 20:57
Proof?
2018-10-22 20:58
public.wsu.edu/~taflinge/socgreed.html "Society is the driving force behind much of human behavior." "And in the last several thousand years, society rather than biology has become the driving force of human life." So basically the society is creating greed which capitalism is doing.
2018-10-22 21:08
Even the first sentence of the whole text says that "Greed has a strong biological basis." I will focus and read the article in like a hour, after which I can give more educated opinions on this. Have to say though, I don't really consider sociology very reliable.
2018-10-22 21:14
Which is the first sentence like you said lul. More "educated" opinion? This is published by a university so i don't know if you can give a more "educated opinion" since you probably are a hobbyist.
2018-10-22 21:18
More educated as in having fucking read the thing
2018-10-22 21:19
Aight, come back when you read it. Would like to hear your opinion on it.
2018-10-22 21:19
"Today, because of the standard of living materialism provides those who follow the idea that some is good, more is better, too much is just right, much of the world "goes for the gold". Thus, although legal and religious proscriptions against greed have been in effect and given at least lip service for millennia, the fact remains that, as it was for Oog and Ugh, deep down inside people believe "greed is good". It might be disguised as capitalism, expanding the range of possibilities, or enlightened self-interest, but deep down inside it's greed" To me this quote tells a lot. As I understand it, capitalism isn't creating greed, but capitalism IS greed "in a disguise". I am inclined to agree that especially the biggest advocators for capitalism without questions are just that, greedy. That said, I don't think that capitalism has made them greedy, but rather that they are greedy and supporting capitalism because of it. If it wasn't capitalism, there would be another way to achieve their lust for material goods. I also agree with the historical context of trade, and I think that the author is making some interesting points. "The desire for wealth is especially apparent in those cultures descended from or adhering to the Western European tradition of "progress" and "growth", a legacy of the eras of scientific discovery and world exploration. The former led people to believe that they could know everything, the latter increased what they knew and opened the world to trade. " The author is referring to scientific discoveries as making people more greedy for knowledge, and thinking that they could know everything. If you take this as a fact, it becomes quite clear that you can't really blame capitalism or trade policies for that matter for making people greedy. Rather you should blame the whole Western way of life for birthing generations and generations of people who are inherently greedy. What this means to me is that even if greed was based on solely social standards, you would basically have to abolish the whole way of Western life, which is next to impossible. In short, I think that the article does bring up some interesting points, but I do still feel that the basis of human greed while may be implemented to todays society from thousands of years ago are deep down from how humans are biologically. The need for survival in my humble opinion makes humans gather more and more resources for themselves and their relatives. As to if there ever would be a point where humans would feel comfortable with sharing their wealth with strangers, I'm not sure.
2018-10-22 22:48
Greed has a biological basis is a different statement than humans are greedy by nature. Saying it has a biological basis only means that we are able to feel greed. Doesn't matter if you consider sociology unreliable, it still is.
2018-10-22 21:20
#100
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United Kingdom willsgcreed 
LOL you cant be serious, communism brings misery to literally everyone in the country, starvation is not how the human race surives why are you here commie, we are all csgo/ esport fans and that is imcompatible with communism so go back to marxist memes
2018-10-22 22:54
"Do you want the world to die? " Yes, so i'm going to let your communism thrive, so world can die faster.
2018-10-21 19:27
#58
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United States nikolaii 
Capitalists must preserve resources for their businesses to succeed long term. For example, people cut down trees and then plant new ones so they can continue their business. They don’t race to see how many forests they can cut down, because their businesses wouldn’t last in the long run.
2018-10-21 23:21
That's true. But you are only viewing capitalism from your own nations view. You don't include countries that are developing as we speak. These developing countries are being brainwashed with capitalism which the US spreads all over the world and the people are getting greedy just like we the westerners are. When they get greedy the demand on resources will be enormous which the earth can't handle. If you think you have many catastrophes (or as you will call them, an act of god) in the US now just wait a few more years. To solve this we need to implement an ideology world wide which isn't thriving upon greed. This ideology is communism. Communism see the person before the company and not reverse.
2018-10-22 20:54
#62
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Ukraine kek1 
then how do we still alive?
2018-10-21 23:41
Surviving is about how we live from this point not how we lived to this point in time.
2018-10-22 20:48
#2
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Slovenia KeiKanJou 
because it takes from hardworking and ambitious people and gives to the rest
2018-10-21 18:00
Stop posting these fucking threads, we get it you took a class in politics, fuck off. /closed
2018-10-21 18:01
Salt capitalist hidden the benefits os socialism.
2018-10-21 18:04
What you just said was the most incoherent thing I have ever read.
2018-10-21 18:06
#7
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United States Pinkcow88 
Salty capitalist, hidden in (living in?) the benefits of socialism
2018-10-21 19:04
#38
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Sweden wyv0 
Which still makes no Sense, because it's the other way around. Socialism works because it's foundation is built upon capitalistic market. Look at Venezuela, they managed to drive all investors out and now it's a shit show. Socialism will gradually always make a country steadily poorer and poorer. Look at my country now. Our welfare is starting to collapse, socialism only solution is raising taxes although we already have one of the highest taxes in the world. Investors will fucking leave if nothing is done. So much else with socialism is wrong, it only wants adequacy which in the long run leads to staleness which leads to future shit shows
2018-10-21 19:39
#41
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Sweden wyv0 
Oh and please don't think im arguing for capitalism, it's just as retarded.
2018-10-21 19:43
#57
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Brazil skbestteam07 
So what do you stand for?
2018-10-21 23:17
#66
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Sweden ktb_cs 
Escape while you still can brother
2018-10-22 00:05
#75
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Sweden wyv0 
I need to build up a bank firsr
2018-10-22 17:14
Are you sure is the healthcare? How is the % of it in the total government spends? Not saying you are wrong, but you need to be sure the real problem to find a solution. Maybe Europe can't just not follow China 12 working hours/day and super cheap human work.
2018-10-22 18:02
#6
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Brazil skbestteam07 
Open ;)
2018-10-21 18:35
cringe
2018-10-21 19:33
#56
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Brazil skbestteam07 
I like to know what people from other countries and outside the Brazilian indoctrination think about it.
2018-10-21 23:15
#8
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United States Pinkcow88 
Because when you take from the hard working and give to the non working, the hard working are annoyed that they lose what they work for and the non hard working complain they don’t have enough
2018-10-21 19:05
Look at Scandenavia
2018-10-21 19:16
#24
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United States Pinkcow88 
Capitalist nations with social security net =/= socialism And people still complain
2018-10-21 19:21
look at the definiton of capitalism and you'll realize that not even the US is capitalist
2018-10-21 19:24
#34
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United States Pinkcow88 
Yes we are not pure capitalist but that’s because you can’t have a government and capitalist at the same time really
2018-10-21 19:32
Exactly
2018-10-21 20:21
"And people still complain" And people still complain in the US, so what's the difference? Even if full out capitalism was implemented in the US people would still complain.
2018-10-22 20:55
#40
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Sweden wyv0 
2nd world war prolonged our socialism, oil is prolonging your. Don't fool yourself
2018-10-21 19:41
Big cities like oslo for example can actually substain themselves without the oil tho
2018-10-21 20:22
Nordic countries follow the nordic model tho, social democracy; not socialism. Incorporating socialist ideals into capitalist structure. Thus still capitalist, when Bernie Sanders used scandinavia as his source to promote socialism danish prime minister replied " we are not socialist"
2018-10-21 20:24
thank you for informing me, but we're still far from capitalist since capitalism is without government intervention
2018-10-21 21:22
#53
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Sweden wyv0 
Sweden is the most socialistic of these countries, it's not going to work forever.
2018-10-21 22:19
people say that fascism is the worst regime because it killed 6 million of jews, but communism in USSR killed 20 millions of people.
2018-10-21 19:09
and also, i hope Bolsonaro wins the election in 2018. Don't let socialism break your country like Venezuela did.
2018-10-21 19:12
#21
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Europe TURBOguy 
+1, say no to socialism
2018-10-21 19:17
Bolsonaro Will make this the real Venezuela lul. But ok I don't care, I can work remote and pay even cheaper quality pussies
2018-10-22 18:04
#36
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Turkey b0wsette 
Welp, the Nazi government of Germany didn't last very long, neither did Kingdom of Italy (20 years? and yet they avoided genocide) and not so sure about Japanese Empire tbf. Of course USSR will have killed more, especially when they lasted for 70 years!
2018-10-21 19:34
#76
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Denmark 4rsenal 
don't forget the communism in china that killed (probably) well over 100 million lolol
2018-10-22 17:20
#94
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Europe loonek4 
Only source that says that is the black book of communism. The incredibly flawed book that multiplied the deaths by at least 10x because of a decimal point error. Where the publisher/editor had to admit to MULTIPLE errors in many parts of it. If the book was accurate after the decimal point errors, that'd only mean that the number who died would only be around 6.5 and 9.3 million. Which given the famines and reactionaries, would at least be believably plausible.
2018-10-22 21:14
go read a book, you're generating misery right now.
2018-10-21 19:10
because people are stupid; and cuba was actually great.
2018-10-21 19:11
#12
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United States TriHardSeven 
0/8
2018-10-21 19:12
-88888888/8
2018-10-21 19:12
i bet you woldn't wanna live there lol
2018-10-21 19:13
#92
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Europe loonek4 
Somalia has no restrictions on the market whatsoever but I guess capitalists don't wanna live there either, don't they?
2018-10-22 21:12
#18
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Europe TURBOguy 
you is a idiot
2018-10-21 19:16
Socialism doesn't cause misery, people cause misery. Apparently you didn't pay attention in your political class. Socialism can work if done right, meaning money is spent correctly. Look at Sweden and Denmark as good examples. When it fails though, it fails hard. Mostly because people in general hate helping people, sad to say.
2018-10-21 19:15
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mixwell | 
Spain loviac 
+1
2018-10-21 19:22
#44
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Sweden wyv0 
Money aint being spent correctly here anymore. It's being wasted very hard. We have to effectivise it, hopefully we get Moderaterna as the government.
2018-10-21 19:49
#59
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United States nikolaii 
Sweden and Denmark aren’t socialist
2018-10-21 23:23
#65
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United States SmokaDaWeEDs 
Socialism will never work. Greed always takes shape. Socialism kills countries.
2018-10-22 00:01
#71
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Switzerland Evhron 
then kill all greedy people
2018-10-22 01:38
#74
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United States SmokaDaWeEDs 
Everyone is greedy
2018-10-22 01:58
#20
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Colombia Sosa19 
No u
2018-10-21 19:17
Socialism never works. Scandinavian countrys have high freedoms but they pay high taxes. That´s not socialism.
2018-10-21 19:20
2018-10-21 19:21
Here we have socialism regimen and we have 30% of the poor and increasing
2018-10-21 19:24
LUL
2018-10-21 20:18
Why?
2018-10-21 21:36
I lul'd ?
2018-10-21 22:30
#64
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Spain loviac 
Your country is far away from being socialist.
2018-10-21 23:57
socialism worked well, it works well and its gonna work well in the future
2018-10-21 19:25
#67
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France SpooceCooke 
-0.00000000000001/8 tbqhwymtsjnp (to be quite honest with you m8 that's just not possible)
2018-10-22 00:13
#32
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Vietnam Oida 
of course look at all the socialist democracies in Europe. So much misery there compared to dictatorships in Asia and Africa.
2018-10-21 19:28
#37
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Poland VanLiden 
Main factor are greedy people.
2018-10-21 19:36
Socialism could work if every country adopted it, but as long as some countries (espiacially if big powers still do) it will never work, too much greed
2018-10-21 19:41
everything is a misery if u let it be.
2018-10-21 19:43
Misery = Misery
2018-10-21 19:45
#45
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Switzerland Evhron 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_.. Up until a few months, cuba had a better life expectancy than US, still, now it's right behind by 0.1 (1 month of life) both ranked at 31 and 32. ALL OF THIS DESPITE HAVING NO pharmaceuticals because of the their embargo that has been going for decades. Also it ranked third in south and central american countries, with only Chile (ranked 28th) and Costa Rica (30th), which are not that far ahead. The funny thing is that Brazil is ranked at 67, with a whooping 65.5 years of life expectancy. So clearly socialism isn't the problem, cause the free market isn't very nice the the hundrends of countries that are truly in misery.
2018-10-21 20:10
Because we don’t have the resources
2018-10-21 20:19
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Europe NiQa 
Because all resources are limited and as such there has to be a way how to distribute them accordingly. While Capitalism has a problem with Matthew's law, Pareto's distribution as outcome of Gauss-Laplace distribution, free market and decentralized concentration of resources gives quite a reasonable shot on acquiring most of resources for the most of a population, Socialism/Communism on the other hand concentrate all property in one place, under control of top political figures. And because resources are limited greed and hoarding is a logical response from those leaders on a biological, evolutional level. (more resources - higher status - more mating options) As long as resources are limited, collectivist ideologies are not viable on the biological level of our species.
2018-10-21 22:45
But resources are not decentralized, They are in the hands of a few men. So whoever that guy is, his ideas doesn't work as described.
2018-10-21 23:30
#61
Europe NiQa 
"Matthew's law, Pareto's distribution as outcome of Gauss-Laplace distribution" is exactly what you are presenting as the argument ... it's not a problem of the system, but our biological feature which is incompatabile with altruistic base of human social groups ... if you "reset" resource location and let people redistribute them freely in society, it will end up like this every time.
2018-10-21 23:39
So you basically condone socialism, as long as the ones at top gathered the control of the resources by themselves or through heritage and not by election. I see it as two pieces of the same poo tbh.
2018-10-22 01:48
#63
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Brazil razorheadd 
basically because in socialism people don't get enough hype to do and invent things, i mean, why would i spent countless hours trying to discover the cure for cancer if the government will have the credit and i'll receive just the same? and don't say that what motivates people to cure diseases is so that humans can live long and prosper, it's always about the money. same thing goes to other basic jobs... if you think about, why the government would invest in creating new ways to communicate with people all around the world so that it's people would be able to talk shit about socialism? socialism/communist = mind control so that powerful people can continue powerful
2018-10-21 23:45
#70
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Switzerland Evhron 
USSR (almost) won the space race and was able to keep up with the west depite industrialising in a few decades, while all of western europe and USA were the biggest world powers for 2 centuries +.
2018-10-22 01:35
#101
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Brazil razorheadd 
but felled afterwards, socialism is great for short period because you get hyped for serving your country but later on you see who got rich and who got poor
2018-10-31 03:16
#68
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Brazil bandicoot 
because it removes God from all equations, though other systems are far from flawless, they allow individuality and expression, while extreme socialism places all trust in man and the system alone
2018-10-22 00:16
I dont get it how hard it is for people to realise that socialism and capitalism wont work alone.
2018-10-22 00:22
Because it requires authoritarian governing to maintain and hence defiles LIBERTY / FREEDOM. Capitalism has delivered the most prosperity to the most people on this planet. But people just want to be controlled so badly. So they continue to beg for socialism.
2018-10-22 01:40
flawed ideology
2018-10-22 18:02
Commies are gay, thus commies fail
2018-10-22 18:03
Communism=Democracy = Same shit Mixing of Human races Fascism is best
2018-10-22 18:18
#89
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Europe loonek4 
What misery? -USSR had zero unemployment had continuous economic growth for 70 straight years. - the USSR was a planned, non-market economy, so market crashes á la capitalism were pretty much impossible. -Equal wages for men and women were mandated by law, but sex inequality, although not as pronounced as under capitalism, was perpetuated in social roles. Very important lesson to learn. - USSR ended racial inequality. -Made all education free -Had 99% literacy. -Had most doctors per capita in the world. -Soviet Union had the highest physician-patient ratio in the world, my notes say 42 per 10,000 population, vs 24 in Denmark and Sweden, 19 in US. -Eliminated poverty. -Doubled their life expectancy.
2018-10-22 21:01
#91
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World ///fuck 
The truth no one wants to hear!
2018-10-22 21:09
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