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How can one vote for right-leaning political parties?
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World ///fuck 
Right-wing parties want class differences, that riches will become even richer, and make it even more difficult for the sick and the poor, society's most vulnerable. Left-wing views stand for equality and justice. If you have healthy values then you should vote to the left. So how can there be so many people who vote to the right? It is unimaginable that one might even think it is good with class differences and that you want to take money from the sick and the poor and give them riches.
2018-10-21 21:23
#1
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World ///fuck 
The poor gets poorer, the rich gets richer - is this what you alt-rightists want?
2018-10-21 21:27
yes
2018-10-22 07:29
yes
2018-10-22 07:37
#45
Sweden ldcz 
You act like there are many poor people in Sweden who’s got a job. You can easily find jobs that will pay you 150 SEK an hour even though you only have a high school education. Everyone has the same chance of making money and having a good life here. Stop acting like we’re the USA.
2018-10-22 08:19
And what about low taxes on capital gains, dividens etc.? The big money the rich makes are not based of their salary.
2018-10-22 13:56
#64
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Switzerland Tacticalsine 
if you stopp the dividens why should they risk their money then
2018-10-22 14:07
Not a question about stopping anything, but the wealth should be more equally shared among the people, at the very least there should be much higher taxes on capital gains and dividens.
2018-10-22 14:58
#77
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Switzerland Tacticalsine 
if you raise the taxes to much, the rich will leave your country and young people don't have the same ambitions for their career since it won't make a bigger financial difference for them
2018-10-22 17:43
Yeah, ideal would be that all countries do the same or apply similar system to avoid tax escapers. Why should it avoid normal working young people? This system we have now is extremely beneficial for the top 1% who make a lot of money, just because of the fact they already have lots of money. That's why the richer just get richer.
2018-10-22 20:14
#126
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Switzerland Tacticalsine 
How many people would studie economics for example if it would not be for the dream of getting rich. This dreams are the foundation on which our wealth is build
2018-10-22 21:09
The rich gets richer and the poor gets richer
2018-10-23 17:33
this doesn't exist. Nowhere. neither leftists or rightists have it
2018-10-23 17:40
#179
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United States pSilent 
I mean it's not hard to do. You just need to print trillions of units of currency and give it to everyone in a day or something. Obviously hyperinflation would kick in, but for those 1 or 2 days before that everyone would technically be richer.
2018-10-23 21:28
You're correct, but in theory, the hard workers will always get richer. People with a lot of money will hire people and pay them to work for them, making them richer.
2018-10-24 00:21
works at countries rich with natural resources like the oil countries
2018-10-23 23:40
#172
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Germany uRaguuu 
yes, so i will get richer :)
2018-10-23 17:37
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Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
But left leaning parties create class diffrence on accident. The outcome is the same, atleast right wing doesnt want criminals into country
2018-10-21 21:28
#6
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World ///fuck 
Do you think a jail system like in the states works better than in democratic socialist Sweden? I do not think so.
2018-10-21 21:31
#25
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Im talking about rapefugees
2018-10-21 22:17
+1
2018-10-22 07:23
You are right. It is just so much better to have Malmo everywhere ;)
2018-10-22 07:37
So how is it in Poland where its shittier than Malmö everywhere?
2018-10-22 09:35
Just wondering how many history classes have attended?
2018-10-22 17:18
#74
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
+1
2018-10-22 17:23
History? Poland is worse than Malmö right now.
2018-10-23 03:52
LOL. Yes Your are good and smart boy. Well done Corky.
2018-10-31 20:05
#47
Sweden ldcz 
We’re not even socialist though..?
2018-10-22 08:22
#48
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World ///fuck 
2018-10-22 08:23
#75
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
"capitalist economy" is exclusive to socialism
2018-10-22 17:24
Its not capitalism. There are regulations.
2018-10-23 03:53
#155
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Of course there are regulations in capitalist economies wtf are you on about
2018-10-23 11:48
Nope. If you allow modifying capitalism you can modify socialism.
2018-10-23 12:32
#159
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
So if i change everything about socialism to be capitalist does that mean its still socialism? You are a moron
2018-10-23 13:28
So capitalism is still capitalism after you socialize it?
2018-10-23 13:57
#161
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
Socialize? What are you on about mate? Its a capitalist economy with socialist policies. Its not socialism And once again you are a moron
2018-10-23 13:59
Not capitalism then.
2018-10-23 14:38
#165
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
It literally says capitalist economy on the page you linked you daft cunt capitalist economy=capitalist economy
2018-10-23 16:27
You should read what capitalist economy means. Plus I did not link anything. Commie fearing people have tried broaden the definition to include Nordic countries because they do well with a mixed system. Plus there are pretty much no countries with pure capitalism in place you daft kid.
2018-10-23 17:26
#178
Zeus | 
Finland Olter 
When did i say there are pure capitalist countries in place you loonie? Capitalist economy:economicshelp.org/blog/glossary/capitali.. You are a moron and everything you have written here is a bookmark to that
2018-10-23 21:25
You aren’t socialist. And what is the problem with the jail system?
2018-10-23 17:35
#180
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United States pSilent 
Because long term incarceration for minor crime ends up being counter-intuitive to reducing crime overall.
2018-10-23 21:32
I'd agree with that in a way, but what are some crimes that you think are over punished? I'm not saying that there are none, I just feel that people blow it out of proportion.
2018-10-24 00:19
#3
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
The trick is not to be too involved in politics... Live your own life and worry not about the world around you to an extent.
2018-10-21 21:28
#5
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World ///fuck 
But you cannot in todays society absent yourself from politics. You neef to take a stand or no one will take you seriously.
2018-10-21 21:30
#7
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
No you don't. You can live your life completely ignorant from the world and be no different than you are now. This is you enforcing this ideological opinion on the rest of the world. I'm not involved in politics whatsoever, never have been, never will be.
2018-10-21 21:33
#13
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World ///fuck 
So you do not part take in elections? If not I really can not have any respect for you.
2018-10-21 21:39
#22
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Denmark Alphamon 
Why would he give a fuck about your respect?
2018-10-21 21:53
#23
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World ///fuck 
Do you not want to be respected?
2018-10-21 21:55
#52
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Denmark Alphamon 
If it's from someone worthy, sure. A random hltv user? dgaf. Someone doesn't like me or respect me? Tough shit. You seem to care way too much honestly. Take care.
2018-10-22 09:24
And you think by telling people to vote for something, you are going to make them take you seriously? And what the fuck are you doing discussing politics on a cs:go trashtalk site
2018-10-21 21:33
Why should you care about what others think of you either?
2018-10-21 21:34
#14
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World ///fuck 
It is in our best interest to know what other believes, might it be polutics, social problems or whatever - it does not matter. What matters is that you know your nexts' personal believs.
2018-10-21 21:40
You don’t get my point. Yeah, it’s important to know the beliefs of other people in your life. What I’m getting at is that you shouldn’t care about what other people think of your opinions.
2018-10-21 21:47
#18
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World ///fuck 
Yes I should, this is an open platform.
2018-10-21 21:48
Your life must be fucking shit then. If enough people tell you that your opinions are shit, are you going to change them?
2018-10-21 21:50
#21
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World ///fuck 
Why would I change my personal beliefs to fit what others say are the "right beliefs?" utter ridiculousness! But of course if my opponent has a factual and well-thought out argument I may change my standings because of the newly presented facts.
2018-10-21 21:53
So my point exactly, you should not really care about what other people think of your beliefs. You have formed them on your own (at least you think you have), and you may change them, but shouldn’t care about other people’s opinions of your opinions
2018-10-21 21:57
how many people with above average intelligence do you know who give a shit about politics and especially how many of them are choosing left or right wing? "You need to take a stand" - how about stand where we meet in the middle? You forgot that politics SHOULD work for people, they should not fight each other, but who gives a shit anymore right, when you can make people hate each other via left / right wing bullshit.
2018-10-22 21:29
Left has better economic policies Right has a LOT better values Depends on which you care about more
2018-10-21 21:30
So racism and contempt for mankind are better values than human rights? Discrimination is a better value than tolerance? Hmm
2018-10-22 17:22
What you describe as "racism" is better than wanting to help every single person from these shitholes regardless of them wanting to assimilate to their host countries, yes. And acting as if everyone is equally talented and have same level of standards we take granted for from humans is lying to yourself. And if you think that right wing policies discriminate against a) women or b) legal immigrants, you need to see the values of right wing again. Any imaginary genders, and illegal immigrants should be discriminated against.
2018-10-22 17:26
How can someone vote for right-wing parties? The answer is quite simple and clear if you've not been indoctrinated by radical leftism. When leftist neo marxist policies have reached their tipping point, people can't take it anymore and will vote for the complete opposite of that. I don't support this but there isn't a better choice. I'd want centrist movements to win, but there aren't many, or they don't have much support. Sad times we are living in.
2018-10-21 21:33
#44
Sweden ldcz 
SD in Sweden are pretty much centrist even though they are considered to be the most right-winged party in the riksdag
2018-10-22 08:15
#11
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Netherlands Gosharu1 
I find it really funny how rightwing are blaming the left for mass immigration while mass migration by large was caused by neoliberal practices that on the one hand needed workers for shitty jobs in Europe and on the other hand created a horrible situation in developing nations through tarif or rules walls or a forced down ''free market'' that made it impossible for those nations to develop and get wealthy.
2018-10-21 21:36
Wrong, wrong and wrong especially on your economic analysis. I agree that we caused the immigration problem by taking interest in the business of Middle East, but your economic understanding is lacking.
2018-10-21 21:49
#27
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Netherlands Gosharu1 
Well, then at least try to attempt to counter the obvious 'facts' or consensus that economical historians have about the practices of neoliberalism. It is simply a fact that since the neoliberalist doctrine gained power under actual governments (thatcher, Raegan etc) that wealth inequalities rapidly grew. Secondly, its not just the Middle East, most refugees are not from there but in case of the US from South America and in case of Europe from Africa and the former colonies. We first destroyed their culture and civilisation through colonialization then exploited these nations and formed them into simple exporters of raw materials that are thereby very dependent on economical fluctuations, ie crisis, and thus very likely to flee to the West.
2018-10-21 22:25
Now that makes more sense, I can agree with you on that. We definetly did ruin their ”cultures”, or whatever they had to ruin, by drawing the borders of our colonial nations, and we did and still do exploit their natural resources, I agree. Even so, I think that they have realistically had time to build their own countries without too much interference, and have to be honest failed horribly. I think that multinational corporations are to blame for that. My problem with what you said before when talking about tariffs and free trade is that that was wrong. Yes there were tariffs in the past against everyone, not specifically these developing countries, who themselves have used incorrevtly the economic idea that by protecting their growing sectors woth tariffs they’d be better off, when in reality they are making their situation worse. The common thing with the Asian countries that have a booming economy and have already risen (S. Korea) or are rising (India, China), is that their huge economy boosts have come AFTER they have removed most of their economic regulations that they themselves set up, making their markets freer, which is a good thing.
2018-10-21 22:40
>Has Brain >The Netherlands Pick 2 Beautifully said my vriend.
2018-10-22 17:19
#12
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Germany ToxlC 
Cause leftists dont understand economics
2018-10-21 21:38
#15
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World ///fuck 
Leftist economics is literally what we have in todays society.
2018-10-21 21:41
#36
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United States MAGAWALL 
Neither the right nor the left have created capitalism, what are you talking about. If you want to talk current politics you will see the right supporting capitalism and the left supporting socialism. This is why you are seeing a lot of liberals voting right. Because a democrat isn't a liberal anymore, the liberals are still there the left just went so far in left field they haven't noticed their other half bailed on them (example: trump getting elected) the silent majority always decides.
2018-10-22 07:25
He is talking about Keynesianism
2018-10-22 14:04
#82
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United States MAGAWALL 
:) MAGA
2018-10-22 19:01
What?
2018-10-22 07:33
Keynesianism
2018-10-22 14:03
#174
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Germany ToxlC 
Yes, and it doesn't work good. Keynesianism is bad. Read about the austrian school of economics.
2018-10-23 19:54
#16
Europe NiQa 
I am right-wing voter. My preferences are tightly tied to limitting power of a state and freedom of an individual. Left-wing politics is much more about identity politics and state interfering with sovereignity, rights and responsibility of an individual and that's what I hate.
2018-10-21 21:45
#42
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Brazil SecondKS 
+1
2018-10-22 07:43
+1
2018-10-22 18:05
Heck liberals
2018-10-21 22:18
#29
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World ///fuck 
Real mature, troll.
2018-10-21 22:43
LOL IM THE TROLL 8/8
2018-10-21 22:44
#32
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World ///fuck 
You always write some hateful/stupid comment that does not contribute to anything.
2018-10-22 07:01
#46
Sweden ldcz 
Du skämmer ut dig själv
2018-10-22 08:21
#85
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United States BLNDSPT 
"hateful/stupid" not hateful stupid, but expected from a VIDEO GAME FORUM O M E G A L U L M E G A L U L
2018-10-22 19:27
#88
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World ///fuck 
so because it is a video game forum we should only write crap?
2018-10-22 19:57
#89
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United States BLNDSPT 
if you're expecting everyone to be civil you're overestimating the people who browse the forums
2018-10-22 19:58
Libtard owned epic style 😎
2018-10-22 18:08
coming to HLTV for political discussions. 8/8 GL
2018-10-22 21:25
#31
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Spain X4rly 
Thats not what the real right says.
2018-10-21 22:45
#33
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Netherlands NEEFBROERMAN 
Another low quality bait by ///fuck. Reported.
2018-10-22 07:09
#34
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United States MAGAWALL 
you do know the left is funded by more lobbyist and corporations than the right by a HUGE margin right? it's almost as if rich people want you to vote left. You poor thing, you didn't know all this time? welp it's ok there is a pill for that, it's red you should research it and find out for yourself. Don't have someone tell you what to think, go explore and you will find the truth :) have a nice day.
2018-10-22 07:20
Because we do not want to have second muslim black hole with extra high taxes like: Sweden. Free market encourages to innovation, entrepreneurship and self-determination about oneself.
2018-10-22 07:42
#43
Sweden ldcz 
”Left-wing views stand for equality and justice.” Yes, like people getting fired from their jobs just because they vote for right-wing parties? The left in Sweden are fascist fucks, I don’t know how you can’t see this
2018-10-22 08:12
#49
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World ///fuck 
The only ones getting fired are nazis.
2018-10-22 08:24
#50
Sweden ldcz 
sD Är RaSiStEr
2018-10-22 08:24
#54
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World ///fuck 
Did I say that?
2018-10-22 12:36
#69
Sweden ldcz 
Pretty much
2018-10-22 16:59
#70
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World ///fuck 
How?
2018-10-22 17:16
the thing is, leftisism is a bait. they bait you into think they want equality in the people, but actually you are just giving more power to the government, so if they fuck up, you can do nothing about it. also shit products and shit security/health public sutff, cuz theres no one "fighting" to have the best product/service, cuz the state owns everything, so people in charch dont need to give a good service, cuz their jobs arent on the line privatization = competitive scenario, people fighting to give best service/product for better price also more chance of going up in life, with many different jobs etc. I recommend reading or watching youtube doc's about "revolutionary ideology" or "marx theories" to understand a little bit more. of course I'm not saying right people are angels, but I'm just saying that, with a bigger state, a leftist state with more power over everyone = giving more power to politicians, period.
2018-10-22 08:26
#84
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United States BLNDSPT 
+1
2018-10-22 19:26
#95
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World ///fuck 
This made no sense. But hey you want facism? Right?
2018-10-22 20:13
nah, just freedom but you are clearly a leftist, only blind leftists call liberals or right people facists LOL nt
2018-10-23 12:06
#164
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World ///fuck 
Anarchist? Good luck!
2018-10-23 15:31
0/8
2018-10-24 14:48
#55
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Europe cArn5 
Reported for low quality bait :D
2018-10-22 12:39
#56
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Finland Motori 
What is the incentive to work if everyone is equal
2018-10-22 13:10
#83
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United States BLNDSPT 
this +1
2018-10-22 19:25
Start your own party
2018-10-22 13:11
#58
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World ///fuck 
It is not that easy. And I already have my ownparties, S and V (possibly F!)
2018-10-22 13:45
If it was easy everyone would do it
2018-10-22 14:52
#96
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World ///fuck 
Yes, no freaking shit.
2018-10-22 20:13
How can one vote for any party, you're voting in your slavery.
2018-10-22 13:57
All smoke and mirros. What matters is grabing hold of the state apparatus to enslave society under the excuses of fiscal and monetary stimuli.
2018-10-22 14:06
#65
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United States BLNDSPT 
expected from swede
2018-10-22 14:41
#66
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United States BLNDSPT 
But if you want an actual response, here's why I don't vote left (im right leaning centrist so I agree with some/lots of left leaning politics but w/e) I don't think the government should forcibly take your stuff and give it to people who, in some cases, didn't do jack shit in life and then get stuff for free. It's dumb. I don't like it when people get things they don't deserve.
2018-10-22 14:46
#80
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Poland MokSu 
Expected from Swedistan ...
2018-10-22 18:09
#81
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World ///fuck 
Haha funny from the number one suicides per capita
2018-10-22 18:13
#86
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Ireland lander1337 
because politics is more than just finances. Fact that you don't realize this is absolutely fucking despicable, please don't go vote.
2018-10-22 19:29
#87
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United States BLNDSPT 
I love how this dude replied only to the comments which were backhanded and off-topic and none of the actual meaningful comments, this dude has absolutely no basis on which to stand and can't come up with an actual reason to support modern liberalism. typical.
2018-10-22 19:57
#90
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World ///fuck 
do you not support modern liberalism? the liberalism that has made it so you and me can chat with together from two different continents? you are funny dude! back in the nationalistic days this thought, that you can communicate with almost anyone was not even on the table.
2018-10-22 19:59
#91
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United States BLNDSPT 
this is what i'm talking about. You didn't even directly respond to anything I just said, all you did was say "oh yeah btw my political ideology spawned the internet which allows us to talk together". You literally are just saying meaningless words with no value whatsoever. I'm more than willing to have a meaningful discussion but if you aren't going to add anything of worth then I just won't
2018-10-22 20:07
#92
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World ///fuck 
sure buddy, you are the ones wanting white ethnostates and other GARBAGE.
2018-10-22 20:08
#93
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United States BLNDSPT 
D I D Y O U R E A D A N Y T H I N G I J U S T S A I D
2018-10-22 20:09
#94
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World ///fuck 
Instead of memeing me you should respond with some manners, Read the HLTV rules, thanks.
2018-10-22 20:12
#99
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United States BLNDSPT 
Dude, the whole point of my original comment was to point out the flaw in the way you approach your political discussions. I have yet to find a single meaningful comment where you replied to someone who gave their reasoning as to why they vote right or conservative. #93 I'm trying to express my pure disgust in the fact that you aren't actually responding to anything. I'm not trying to push my political agenda on you or anyone, but rather give my reasoning as to why I believe in it, which is what a lot of people did here. But no, you just ignored all of the well written and well thought out comments and responded to the ones who didn't say anything either. So if you want to make a political thread, do it with the intention of learning something rather than bash people who don't believe in the same thing as you.
2018-10-22 20:23
#100
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World ///fuck 
You are approaching this whole thread from a weird angle that I want no part in. Please rethink what you just wrote in your last 4 comments and then after that you should reply to me with a reasonable argument. Now you are just spouting pseudo intellectual bullcrap.
2018-10-22 20:27
#102
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United States BLNDSPT 
I can't find anything to argue because you haven't said anything which lends itself to a good discussion. The only argument I can find is #90, which didn't even address anything I said originally. So how exactly am I supposed to come up with a reasonable argument? Do you want me to say why I disagree with you about your political views?
2018-10-22 20:35
#103
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World ///fuck 
Yes.
2018-10-22 20:36
#107
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United States BLNDSPT 
okay, here's why. I don't think it's very fair that the government should take things that were earned by someone and give it to people who are less deserving. Yes, there are people who are needy, but there are so many people who are willing to help the needy that I don't see a reason to pay taxes in excess like many left-leaning countries in the EU. not only that, but the taxes go to people who are less deserving of it than the people who actually need it. People who've ruined their lives through drugs or alcohol w/e. In terms of the social aspect, I think that if people are willing to come into a country as an immigrant they are more than welcome to so long as they follow the law and apply for citizenship if they're going to stay permanently. I don't agree with people just strolling into a country and saying "oh I live here now lol" just because they know people won't do anything about it and won't be held accountable for their actions. I also don't agree with the 2+/changing gender stuff or abortion. I could talk for a long time about those things and others, but those are the main reasons.
2018-10-22 20:44
#111
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World ///fuck 
I can agree that the regular people sometimes get too much taxed, but large corporations are getting away with paying any tax through fraud and offshore companies, but thanks to our capiltalistic system these corporations already with money from floor to roof lobby our politicians. All legal of course. So every new regulation is in the interest of these multi billion (if not trillion) dollar companies and at the cost of us normal people. (polution, workers treated as slaves, contributing to the drug problem, big pharma fuel the largest epedemic in US currently, the opiod epedemic, etc etc.) Why should the state chose what gender/identity people have? Why should a line drawn on map make you not able to move freely?`Like every point you have made are supporting the 0.1% elite.
2018-10-22 20:49
#114
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United States BLNDSPT 
Yeah, i do think that corporations get away with more than they should. In many cases it's scummy. But at the end of the day, they give us things that just aren't possible with extreme socialism. What I mean by that is that, just as #51 pointed out, privatization gives us better products for a lower price. If you give all the power to make product to the government then there's no competition and no incentive to do anything well. There's a reason that government funded corporations have low customer service satisfaction (at least here in America). The same can be said for cable companies which have TERRIBLE customer service, but the reason that it's okay is that companies like YouTube and Hulu are stepping in and making a good alternative to the bad customer service. The lower prices and better products help the consumer, which is why I can stand by it even if it is scummy. The ends justify the means imo. The state doesn't determine what your gender or identity people have, it's what's between your pants that does. Lines on a map are restrictive to a certain extent, but they've been apart of human history for millennia. It's just inevitable and there's nothing we can really do about it.
2018-10-22 20:56
#117
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World ///fuck 
The last sentance, you think you cannot change history?
2018-10-22 20:58
#152
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United States BLNDSPT 
You definitely can, but because the idea of borders has been ingrained in history since the days of Mesopotamia makes me think it's more about fighting human nature and less about changing history
2018-10-22 23:50
+1 The big fishes are getting bigger and bigger, but the honestly and normal people have more and more problems....
2018-10-22 20:22
Because SJWs destroyed the left. It's sad, there's almost no legit left left.
2018-10-22 20:34
#104
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World ///fuck 
the "sjws" you are talking about make up as much of a minority as hard core nazis do.
2018-10-22 20:36
SJWs are the most vocal side of the left, the most vocal side of the right are fucking trolls
2018-10-22 20:46
#112
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World ///fuck 
The most vocal side of the right are not just trolls, have you seen all million+ alt-right youtube channels? The alt-right is the most vocal political side.
2018-10-22 20:50
The alt-right is exactly what I mean by saying that the most vocal side of right is trolls
2018-10-22 20:57
#118
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World ///fuck 
They are not trolls though, they belive what they preach.
2018-10-22 20:58
Yes, I am not saying that there aren’t people who take the alt-right seriously. Of course there are. Richard Spencer or whoever probably thinks he’s so influental. What I am saying is that most of the members of alt-right are trolls who are interested in it only because it’s ”edgy”.
2018-10-22 21:01
#120
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World ///fuck 
But those "edgy" people all have the right to vote.
2018-10-22 21:02
in your eyes anyone that votes for a right leaning candidate is a right wing member, I don’t consider them being part of the right wing just because they vote for it because it’s edgy
2018-10-22 21:05
#125
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World ///fuck 
right wing politics never work out.
2018-10-22 21:07
As I stated before in #4, right wing identity politics are much better than your SJW nonsense.
2018-10-22 21:12
#129
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World ///fuck 
Just because you are on the left does not beleive you think "safe spaces" and other identity stuff are the number one priority, I am indifferent to that topic. Also just compare replublican states to democratic states in the US, the life is much worse in repiblican (right-leaning) states.
2018-10-22 21:15
My biggest problem with the left is that identity politics over there seem to be leading 99% of the discussion. I do agree with some aspects of the left wing economic policies (e.g. welfare states are a good thing), but I also think that free trade is benefitial for the economies, athough not necessarily for the environment as it is. That said, I could never call myself a leftist/left wing supporter, because of the implications I get from it.
2018-10-22 21:18
#134
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World ///fuck 
Free trade is impossible. And Trump is not the right man for that matter as well.
2018-10-22 21:19
No, he's not. And how come free trade is impossible?
2018-10-22 21:20
#139
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World ///fuck 
Trump killing TTIP and stagnating chinese trade is pro "free-trade"? You cannot have trade without tarrifs in this polarized political climate.
2018-10-22 21:23
I agree that Donald Trump isn't a man for free trade, I don't necessarily think he was a good candidate, but I think that he was a better candidate than Hillary. I respectfully disagree with your assertment about tariffs being needed in todays world. From a strictly economic viewpoint tariffs are not required at all, and I think that the people that are putting up tariffs are trying to, ineffectively might I add, protect some aspects of their trade, while actually making the situation worse for them and for the world as a whole.
2018-10-22 21:26
+1
2018-10-22 21:23
Not as much of a minority in the party I'd otherwise consider voting. Not as much of a minority in my generation in general, especially girls. There's legit no relevant party that I could vote which isn't licking corporates ass without getting all the SJW stuff.
2018-10-22 21:04
#124
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World ///fuck 
Maybe you are the minority then.
2018-10-22 21:05
Of course I am. Majority of people is blue pilled, think everyone can work their way up etc. The elite of course wants it to stay like that, because they benefit the most from it.
2018-10-22 21:15
#131
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World ///fuck 
Did you take the red pill and came to the conclusion that antifa is bad and sjw's can be ridiculous? Woah we have an intelligent person over here!
2018-10-22 21:16
Didn't know people could read minds.
2018-10-22 21:23
this guy is the best baiter of all of hltv tbh
2018-10-22 20:37
#106
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World ///fuck 
What part of my thread would you describe as bait? Do you disagree with what I wrote? If so point it out.
2018-10-22 20:43
not just this thread but everything you type is just gold lol
2018-10-22 20:48
#113
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World ///fuck 
Then you have completely misunderstood all of my comments. But hey whatever makes you happy at night.
2018-10-22 20:51
#108
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Sweden Zeepter 
nt commie
2018-10-22 20:46
#116
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World ///fuck 
+++fg
2018-10-22 20:59
"Left-wing view stands for equality and justice" I laughed, very hard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wanna buy the best apples in HLTV? call me NOW: 011-1337-APPLE and get an 80% discount on your first 5 kilos!
2018-10-22 21:03
#130
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Sweden Hoonken 
1946-10-11 Erlander l S 5 1948-09-19 Erlander Il S 5 1951-10-01 Erlander III S -c 5 1952-09-21 Erlander IV S -c 5 1956-09-26 Erlander V S -c 5 1957-10-31 Erlander VI S 5 1958-06-01 Erlander VII S 5 1960-09-18 Erlander VIII S 5 i964-09-20 Erlander IX S 5 1968-09-15 Erlander X S 5 1969-10-14 Palme l S 5 1970-09-20 Palme Il S 5 1973-09-16 Palme III S 5 1976-10-07 Fälldin l C-Fpl-C 5 1978-10-13 Ullsten Fpl 5 1979-10-11 Fälldin Il C-Fpl-C 5 1981-05-19 Fälldin III C-Fpl 5 1982-10-07 Palme IV S 5 1985-09-15 Palme V S 5 1986-03-12 Carlsson l S 5 1988-09-18 Carlsson Il S 6 1991-10-03 Bildt M-C-Kd-Fpl 7 1994-10-06 Carlsson III S 7 1996-03-21 Persson l S 7 1998-09-20 Persson Il S 7 2002-09-15 Persson III S
2018-10-22 21:15
#133
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World ///fuck 
your point?
2018-10-22 21:18
#136
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Sweden Hoonken 
well the rich is getting richer and the poor is getting poorer so thats my point? the class differances is being bigger by the time and its not becouse of right side. becouse left side has ruled for like 50 years.
2018-10-22 21:21
#140
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World ///fuck 
Sweden has never thrived as much as under socialist leading.
2018-10-22 21:24
#142
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Sweden Hoonken 
okej if u say so... hospitals dont have enough staff to take care of all people. same with schools, police, eldercaare....
2018-10-22 21:26
The whole world thrived but its got nothing to do with politics. Scientific progress allowed for that development. Which has been stunted by leftist nonsense btw.
2018-10-23 20:41
#144
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Denmark Twick9x 
No, but i supports people who work the asses Of to become successful, not the "lower laze class" which I see more of who vote for left eing
2018-10-22 21:28
#146
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Sweden Hoonken 
+1
2018-10-22 21:40
right wing parties convince ppl that is is just and right that a few ppl have a lot and most ppl get fucked and then convince those ppl that they can all be in that lucky 1% even though probably not even 1% will get there because theyre gullible and dumb. also there are some ppl who are smart and ruthless enough and successful in business for whom those economic policies actually make sense and they have big marketing budgets to use to again convince less fortunate and intelligent ppl to vote for right wing parties. explaining to ppl that economy isnt a zero sum game and we can all be richer by working together requires more intelligence than some have
2018-10-22 21:46
#168
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Portugal mrsc 
how exactly do you propose we should do to make everyone as equally rich? dont think thats feasible major problem here is balancing out all the aspects. money was introduced as an exchange tool, it sort of works like "slavery" to an extent, except in a good way people work their ass off to get money and survive. by having people work youre developing the world and letting things flow in an adequate manner. mankind doesnt survive if people dont work fpr each other - if no one makes food then everyone will die for example i wont say money is the perfect solution, but its the most effective way there is of controlling populations. do you have any better idea? to sum it up there will inevitably be rich and poor people. and it doesnt matter which side you vote for, lobbyists will do want they want regardless
2018-10-23 17:32
not everybody has to be equally rich. people arent all equal. some people who are at least as smart or productive or brave or whatever quality you want as succesful people never get a chance at succes because they were born in a poor environment. in the wrong country, the wrong neighbourhood. this isnt because there arent the means to give these people a chance. its because some people want to keep all the chances for themselves and their family and people they know. that is one of the main things that needs to be adressed. the other is ownership of the means of production. some people would say we need to abolish all money and private property and religion but i dont think thats good. if that should happen it will happen eventually. no need to force it. in the future a lot of work should be done by computers and/or robots. imagine a capitalist country, but one where all the computers and robots are owned by the people as a collective, and everybody gets basic income equal to the work their share of the robots does, the profits that work renders. whatever you make with a job you get extra. then no one has to be poor and people with ambition and intelligence and all that stuff can still get rich. run businesses, sell shit. theonly thing they cant do is start buying up the means of production, the computers and robots, to make people poor and dependent on them again. we will have to fight to get that future and not one where we are basically 7 up to 11 billion people competing for a couple tens or hundreds of millions of jobs while the fortunate few live in their mansions and get rich while sleeping because they own the automation.
2018-10-23 23:28
Lol. Implying that by going with the current leftist trend there will be any of those values left. I agree that center (and some slightly leftist) parties are the reason nordic countries became so great. That being said, left's complete inability to address refugee and immigration issues is just braindead. There is simply no way nordic model is sunstainable with hundreds of thousands (soon to be millions) economic migrants being allowed in with no strings attached. Add to that this backwards progressive cancer (SJWs for short) that seems to spreading from US to EU and it's no suprise everyone with a brain is starting to lean right.
2018-10-22 21:45
actually you can probably easily fford paying for these peoples food and housing. the issue is that political support for these parties drops when there are too many freeloaders. that and the crime and violence. i know its not as bad as some shady websites say but there surely is more violence in some cities due to immigration, in holland we have the "mocro wars"in amsterdam where descendents of north african immigrants shoot each other in the streets in broad daylight and leave grenades on doorsteps of shops.
2018-10-22 21:48
#171
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Portugal mrsc 
the issue starts right in your first sentence even if you can afford paying for these peoples housing and food why should you be forced to do it? pretty obvious most of them will keep leeching off tax payers money and do jack shit all day
2018-10-23 17:36
we are not forced to take in any migrants, eastern european countries arent doing it. italy is turning those boats around. the EU is building a new border patrol agency. that shit is getting locked down. its up to the good people of the countries in europe that currently have a lot of immigrants to decide what to do with them. its true that a lot of immigrants are on welfare. that happens in holland too. i read about 50% of our welfare goes to immigrants. politiek.tpo.nl/2018/03/21/nrc-meer-dan-.. 3 billion euro a year. its also true though that its not allowed for people to get a job while they are applying for a visa. and that process can take years. after a few years of not being allowed to work i would maybe also say all right fuck you then, i wont work and take free money. but there are also just fuckers who come for free money in the first place. and a lot of people who maybe want to work but dont have marketable skills or are still learning the language or dealing with PTSD, have disabilities, this is a serious issue for ppl from war zones like syria. only 11% of the immigrants who arrived in 2014 had a job after 2.5 years. thats really fucking bad. cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2018/16/11-procent-v.. the solution is not that complicated though, put them to work and if they dont like to work they can leave. native dutch people who are on welfare are also forced to work in a lot of cities. blowing leafs from the streets, scraping gum, and doing other useless shit. all we need is a national program that builds useful things. government ordered manual labor is how we built the dike to close off the southern sea in the 1930s in the middle of the great depression. compared to that this will be easy.
2018-10-23 23:42
and EU is working on changing the rules so that we can catch more illegals at the border with Eu border control agency and many member states have to simplify rules to kick people out sooner after they are refused & make sure they get on that boat back to africa
2018-10-22 22:22
i dont think anyone with a brain should lean left or right, you should lean to whatever works best for the situation from a utilitarian perspective. when there is lack of data for utilitarian calculations, a smart persons position should be that we need more data before making drastic decisions. but i reailze i am kind of an exception in that aspect. most ppl vote based on emotions not on math.
2018-10-22 22:24
Jesus man you so stupid
2018-10-23 12:05
#175
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World ///fuck 
Why am I stupid? For having an opinion?
2018-10-23 20:25
give drunkard a $100,000 and he/she will flush it within a year and become poor again. give $100,000 to a smart person and he/she will double it within a year. that's why poor should get poorer and rich get richer if you want otherwise, start it yourself. first you should invite some "oppressed minority" to live in your home and feed them, later you can proceed with donation of all money you earn to charity or give away to poor people you meet :)
2018-10-23 15:15
because taxation is theft and free markets is the best
2018-10-23 16:58
Yeah we've seen the "justice" of the left. Fuck talented people in the ass, brand them as evil, promote "positive" discrimination and turn society into chaotic decay. You've had your chance now fuck off.
2018-10-23 20:30
Because in the nature there is no equality. Capitalism works because of Darwin's laws.
2018-10-23 21:40
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