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Biggest Chokers in CSGO history
Twistzz | 
United States LoverOfAllCountries 
kek some fans are about to be T R I G G E R E D but i mean like if u get triggered over the internet and feel the need to defend ur opinion by insulting someone else, ur a pretty good joke. 1.) Karrigan - Oh my goodness where do we start. Dignitas ~ had a bunch of talent, did nothing. TSM ~ Literally top 2/3 team in the world yet won like 1 significant event, basically made the semis of every event, sorta like current MIBR. Questionmark ~ Same was TSM Astralis ~ Literally did and won nothing, choked so much, put the entire org under the choking name until Gla1ve rescued them. FaZe ~ IEM sydney 2017, ECS s3, EPL s6, IEM oakland, Boston major, katowice, IEM grand slam 2.) Elige + Nitr0 - Gotta put them together, Liquid have been horrible in the grand finals. MLG columbus choke ESL one cologne 16 ESG mykonos ESL one ny 17 EPL s7 ECS s5 eleague premier esl one ny 18 Bruh 3.) Ex6tenz - Only player in the french shuffles to never take a t1 event, even tho the supposed "LeGenDaRY" IGL was a great leader, yet teams only won after he was kicked. He even got benched from LDLC who was like t4. He lost like every finals he made with VG against NIP, currently destroying g2, shox, and kennyS 4.) Seized 2 major finals Basically every t1 final navi made in 15-16 How do u have zeus, prime guardian, prime edward, prime flamie, and prime s1mple yet the only event u really won was ESL one NY 16 which had 8 teams. 5.) Fifflaren DHW 13, EMS kato 14 those are major finals that Fifflaren lost for NIP. Imagine the legacy of f0rest and get right if they had dennis from LGB instead of fifflaren. 2 extra majors potentially
2018-10-22 04:08
device?????
2018-10-22 04:11
2018 clears his name, this is looking at career overall
2018-10-22 04:12
if its career overall you should include him
2018-10-22 04:13
no, the choke was countered by a clutch year and a half. these players never had a period in thieir career to counter their choking ways
2018-10-22 04:13
Angie, you're beautiful But ain't it time we say goodbye Angie, I still love you Remember all those nights we cried
2018-10-22 04:14
lol
2018-10-22 04:15
#79
leazo | 
Argentina leazo 
best comment. /close
2018-10-23 05:16
thanks )))
2018-10-23 05:19
oh shit , real pro player account? :D sign my profile please
2018-10-23 05:20
Dignitas aka TSM Quarters and semis every fuckin time
2018-10-22 04:14
yes i had karrigan in there, dupreeh device and xyp9x cleared their name and proved that kariigans horrible calling was the reason for their losing
2018-10-22 04:15
U dont remember that dignitas choked even more before karrigan came from mousesport to solve their issues. Its not karrigan choking if he couldnt rescue the chokers
2018-10-23 05:29
This thread was actually very nice to read
2018-10-22 04:16
cuz its true, +1
2018-10-22 04:17
#13
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Netherlands pewpeww 
The karrigan part is so true, it just makes me sad :(. Even more sad that karrigan is smart enough that he sees this himself and probably prevents him even more from overcoming it.
2018-10-22 04:17
most great IGLS only need 1 try to get their shit together, zeus took 2/3 karrigan is on his 5th and he still hasnt gotten it
2018-10-22 04:19
#18
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Netherlands pewpeww 
What do you mean with "tries", grand final loses?
2018-10-22 04:21
#29
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United States TriHardSeven 
Probably different lineups
2018-10-22 04:29
#31
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Netherlands pewpeww 
ah fair enough
2018-10-22 04:29
no, successful attempts to prove their legecy with their given lineup
2018-10-22 04:30
#15
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North America LedwigCS 
Fifflaren should not be up there. This is coming from an avid NiP fan so bias warning here! Fifflaren did the dirty work for the team and did it better than most players do even to this day. He was the IGL, support (In terms of nades and opening up situations), and just the player that would get bodied to help the team succeed. His numbers alone shouldn't dictate his impact on the team because Fifflaren leaving NiP is one of if not the most impactful roster change in CS:GO history to date even 4 years after it happened as it called an end to the era of CS that fell under NiP and the eventual downfall of the team to where they are now having to climb back up. NiP were more lost than ever when they lost Fifflaren and they passed up rising talents and things like that to keep him for a reason, he was vital to the team and how they played. He decided to retire and only then did he leave the lineup and for good reason as he knew at that point his performance was costing them tournaments and he made the honorable choice and ended his career before he ended theirs prematurely with him. Ahem, rant over, thank you very much.
2018-10-22 04:20
#17
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Netherlands pewpeww 
I like how you are aware of the fact that you might be bias speaking about a person you are fan of. For only that my friend +1.
2018-10-22 04:21
#23
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North America LedwigCS 
Of course, I swap my favorite around occasionally but recently I took a look at Fifflaren's career and his impact on the team and I couldn't help but put him back up. This is one of the rare circumstances that *I* feel a support player who had bad numbers is given too much shit instead of too much slack and people don't realize just how much of an impact he had on the team chemistry and players <3
2018-10-22 04:23
nonononononononono dont make me do it skadoodle is a support awper and he was never this bad dont make me do it Dreamhack winter 2013: 42-47 worst on team EMS Kato 14: 9-44 OMEGALUL WTF IS THIS SHIT -35 IN 2 MAPS WTF IS THIS SHIT HE LITERALLY LOST THEM THE FINALS OBVIOUSLY WORST ON TEAM AND IN MATCH. ESL Cologne 14: 43-61, they almost lost with him, worst on team and in game
2018-10-22 04:22
#25
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North America LedwigCS 
Please don't make ME do it. Skadoodle and Fifflaren play wildly different supportive positions. Very few people play this level of a supportive position the closest being TACO in LG/SK and even then it wasn't on the same level in terms of also being IGL for the team. Fifflaren did not play for stats and if you watched into CS history, read on the lineup itself, and took a look at his career and impact on the team you could hopefully realize that not every great player needs great stats and that just because he wasn't getting great stats doesn't mean he was a choker. He realized his stats were hurting the team and retired from professional CS. You can say all you'd like but Fifflaren brought them to many of their wins and there would be a LOT more chokes from NiP in the early days if it weren't for Fifflaren. Just don't try to come in here and claim about things you don't know because just like in any sport, stats don't mean everything.
2018-10-22 04:27
dude stop, there is no excuse for 9-44 in a bo3, it doesnt exist. You could be the perfect support (fiff isnt) but 9-44 is a disgrace, he lost them that series and major
2018-10-22 04:28
#34
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North America LedwigCS 
Dude stop, take your own advice and stop commenting on things you don't have knowledge on. Yes I'm not saying there was an excuse for Fifflaren's performance, that was poor on his part and he realized the effect that had on the teams and wins and retired after winning Cologne '14. You don't realize however that NiP wouldn't have won nearly as much as they had in the early days if they didn't have Fifflaren on the lineup. You put a single couple tournaments into one thing to call them a choker when they were a vital part to the wins that came to them.
2018-10-22 04:31
No fifflaren was not a vital part of nip. Get right forest and friberg were the vital parts of nip, just becuz a bot was carried in a noscene era by 3 legends and two all time greats doesnt mean he is valueble. He is extremely expendable and NiP wouldve been better off replacing him with Dennis/Krimz before fnatic took him
2018-10-22 04:34
#44
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North America LedwigCS 
I'll be done replying to this because you manage to still only look at HLTV stats and determine the impact a player had on a team against someone who looks closely at this team and this player and has seen what the players themselves have had to say and have seen what the results were before and after with Fifflaren. Put some work in before you're going to go around dissing players because you are gonna piss off people who are going to bring actual factual evidence and you make yourself look poor by not doing so.
2018-10-22 04:38
yes, when a player is useless just call them support to make them feel better, stop kidding urself, nade throwers are expendable, superstars arent
2018-10-22 04:42
#51
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North America LedwigCS 
'nade thrower' Clearly didn't even read the start of the post. He was an invaluable player for the team as an, now pay attention. 1.) IGL 2.) Support to help the stars succeed 3.) Morale booster who helped lead the team morally. 4.) A friend who the team itself could rely on to do what was needed without scrutinization from the team itself. True support players aren't expendable, SK showed us that after kicking TACO.
2018-10-22 04:45
no fiff wasnt igl xizt was no fiff dying every round did not support gtr and forest, their skill did 3 anyone can do that 4 u couldnt possibly know that, ur not in their inner circles taco > fiff
2018-10-22 04:46
#63
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North America LedwigCS 
Fifflaren led a lot of the IGLing in the early days and performances. Xizt was secondary caller and they swapped inbetween it Xizt being IGL in the majority of big events with Fifflaren calling. Fifflaren died most of the time opening up opportunities for GTR, F0rest, and Friberg to make their plays. He was not supposed to be the one fragging look back on any of the team's old statements and the players old statements. Anyone can do it sure, but it adds to how valuable of a person he was. He was a friend of the team and just a person they wanted to be around in general, anyone can boost morale but not many can do it naturally. Look at what the players themselves said back in the day, that alone is proof enough with everyone saying it. NiP even back in the day were always criticized for keeping Fiffy and they always stood up for him and explained he wasn't needing to be the star player and that he did the dirty work. I don't need to be in the inner-circle because they said this themselves buddy.
2018-10-22 04:54
k so what ur saying is fiff = smithzz friend to a real star held back them by being awful called support to make themselves feel better support awper
2018-10-22 04:54
#65
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North America LedwigCS 
Fiff >>>>>> SmithZz Friend to the entire team Helped advance them and open up positions for them by playing the most supportive role anyone in CS history has played in top tier. Called support because he defined what it was the be a support, he was the 100% support player for the team and an example of what a support player should strive to be, mayhaps with some mix of other talents too. He made up for his shortcomings with his successes IGL and Secondary Caller, didn't use an AWP idk what the hell you are taking.
2018-10-22 04:58
fake fiff fan spotted, u said fiff didnt awp ok buddy
2018-10-22 04:57
#67
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North America LedwigCS 
you know what blunder on my part I did a bad. I aint gonna get all the facts right off the top of my head but I certainly am getting more than you. I haven't watched him on how he played and his frags weren't very memorable most of the time unfortunately. I remember him for his supporting not his AWPing. Least I can get other basic facts right unlike you and at least i can admit if I fuck up in sayin somethin.
2018-10-22 05:00
so basically ur saying fiff isnt a bot cuz he is friends with his teammates and motivates his teammates even though he goes 9-44 in the grand finals of a major
2018-10-22 05:07
#73
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North America LedwigCS 
I'm not saying he wasn't a bot. His aim was not up to standard a lot of the time I can AGREE there. What you are wrong about is that Fiff needed to be the fragger, he wasn't meant to be the fragger at any point in time and didn't need to be as he was an actual support.
2018-10-22 05:23
there is a difference between needed to be a fragger and needed to do better than like 90-150 in 3 grand finals of majors
2018-10-22 05:24
the "support" excuse its so annoying, stupid fans that make shit players looking good
2018-10-22 05:21
thank you, some people are such braindead fangays
2018-10-22 05:23
#16
TACO | 
Brazil fkhltv 
u must be a choker also knowing so much about cs
2018-10-22 04:20
just like ur mother
2018-10-22 05:24
This is a true NA thread, putting Astralis/TSM ahead of Liquid. At least Astralis won something. Wheres Liquid big event? Oh, they won a sleep over tournament. Brilliant. Top notch team guys
2018-10-22 04:22
No, astralis didnt win anything with karrigan and they had a better team than liquid, ur hatred is very biased
2018-10-22 04:23
2 of those are t2, 1 of the t1 isnt astralis, it was tsm, astralis won 1 t1, sorry bout that, but they had more talent then liquid does rn so thats why karrigan is first. Also the fact that his departure led to a dynasty helps his case as a choker, im not saying astralis is a bigger choker than liquid, im saying karrigan is. FaZe karrigan also adds to his choking legacy
2018-10-22 04:33
Mate its the same roster under a different name what difference does it make if Astralis are called TSM or Finger my butthole?
2018-10-22 04:34
for the final time, im not talking about astralis, im talking about karrigan. geez ur comprehension is 0
2018-10-22 04:35
Karrigan with Astralis/TSM still choked less than Liquid I didn't comprehend anything incorrectly. You're just a mong mate
2018-10-22 04:38
karrigan lost 15 t1 grand finals with astralis/tsm/faze liquid lost 7 lol
2018-10-22 04:41
Yeah because Liquid have been together for a shorter time. TSM won more tournaments of a higher caliber than Liquid in a shorter amount of time. This team's been together for approaching a year and haven't won shit. They fell apart when they needed to win. karrigan/TSM/Astralis never choked to inferior teams. They always lost to teams that were either better than them (but TSM/Astralis/karrigan pretty much lost the fight before it began so thats how they choked in that regard) or equal to them. Liquid doesn't only lose to teams that are better than them. They straight up lose to teams that should be cannon fodder for them (mouse in their form at the time should have been easy pickins had Liquid not have the mind of some exaggerated shy anime girl).
2018-10-22 04:44
Stop saying TSM/astralis, thats not only karrigan im not saying tsm/astralis are chokers im saying karrigan is tsm/astralis are just evidence for his choking u have to include faze too for karrigan also stop talking about liquid im talking about nitro/elige karrigan has choked more than nitro and elige to inferior teams int he grand finals and semi finals, if u cant accept that then take a hike
2018-10-22 04:45
Im kind of disappointed there isnt a team called finger my butthole on hltv
2018-10-22 04:52
nV should rebrand to that since other teams fingering their buttholes 1-13 omegalul
2018-10-22 04:52
lmfao
2018-10-22 04:53
#35
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North America LedwigCS 
He is incredibly biased and unknowledgable about the actual frame of time in which this took place, just read his responses to #15 and you'll see what I mean. Him saying what he said in #24 as well just goes to show he didn't actually do research making this thread just put down some things and made a few false claims and was like this works I guess.
2018-10-22 04:39
I just read that shit now I'm thirsty for Clorox
2018-10-22 04:38
#45
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North America LedwigCS 
I know man, me too. This is why American HLTV users get slack low quality threads with little effort put into them shown off as quality threads which they then argue to defend even when they realize they're in the wrong. It is so unfortunate
2018-10-22 04:39
#20
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United States jhon1307^ 
cologne 2016 liquid could have done nothing about SK were just godlike at that time
2018-10-22 04:22
no they were not, sk did not win another event afterwards for like an entire year, that was the last event they won that year
2018-10-22 04:23
#30
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North America LedwigCS 
Except this is in context of the tournament itself. SK at winning that major looked like the Astralis of now, too perfect, unrivaled, just a whole different league that they were in by themselves and constantly pushing towards greatness. You are taking an entire career and juding a single tournament over it which is really a poor decision. There was more Liquid could do but SK were indeed godlike AT THAT TIME even if their future didn't hold that same result.
2018-10-22 04:29
+1 completely agreed. SK looked scary as hell at the Cologne Major
2018-10-22 04:42
#26
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Canada VeryMightGuy 
Richard Lewis
2018-10-22 04:28
S class
2018-10-22 04:28
#40
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Turkey rusty james 
tsm??? you meant dignitas or cph wolves i think. they were always top 5 but did not win any event until much much later. fnatic nip vp random french team and astralis core were always at the top. yet they alwas choked after group stages. at least they won some shit with karrigan. with fetish it was shit. especially for device. his rating always took a dive. i think him and twist were the biggest onliners pre 2016
2018-10-22 04:36
no, i meant karrigan, tsm was just an example of karrigans choking im not talking about top 5 choking teams, but choking players
2018-10-22 04:37
#46
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Turkey rusty james 
if you take a look at device pre 2016 you can see how he beasted in group stages then go under 1.0. almost always happened. karrigan helped them get over that. altho i liked fetish ct sides better. in case of twist he always carried lgb with olof dennis and krimz. he was one of the best fraggers back then. but online. he always carried them online. then on lan they all performed and twist was in the red. also seized and fiffy do not count based on the fact that fiff won everyting while not actually fragging. and seized was only good for a small period in time and na vi wasnt really an elite team apart from that one year.
2018-10-22 04:41
what about the faze part of karrigans career, this isnt aobut tsm/ast its about karrigan vs elige/nitro
2018-10-22 04:46
#53
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Canada haroonscape 
feelsbad for karrigan
2018-10-22 04:45
device before 2018 choked a lot. Now he's good. 2017--> Yeah he won a major, but played like shit in the finals and needed shakerbye to carry him even though he was amazing in semis. In PGL, played amazing in the quarters but was manhandled by mou in the semis.
2018-10-22 04:48
exactly, his 2017/2018 runs redeemed his career
2018-10-22 04:47
2018 hes great. he still kind of choked in 2017
2018-10-22 04:49
no he really didnt overall kato major what did he lose a close bo3 at starladder eleague premier against prime faze
2018-10-22 04:50
no im talking about him individually not the team. kato--> played like shit in finals major 1--> played like shit in finals major 2--> played like shit in semifinals eleague premier--> played like shit in finals starladder--> was average in finals Also these are only top 4 finishes. Astralis wasn't super consistent in making top 4.
2018-10-22 17:12
Device was basically positive in all of those u just named
2018-10-23 05:14
positive doesn't mean good. He played significantly worse in the matches played than in the previous ones.
2018-10-23 14:12
positve also doesnt mean shit u said he did shit he didnt he did okay not good not shit
2018-10-23 15:55
"Astralis wasn't super consistent in making top 4." I dont know how can you say such bullshit,even if you werent watching CS in 2017 you just have to go down Astralis's event history to see they had like a 10 event top4 finish streak.
2018-10-23 14:21
Big Events: Astralis: top 4, 68.8% of the time. (11/16 events) Faze: top 4, 76.5% of the time. (13/17 events) SK: top 4, 72% of the time(13/18 events) First of all, i'm not saying they were a bad team. 68.8% top 4 isn't bad, but it isn't super consistent either. Also, their biggest top 4 streak was from the Atlanta major to PGL Krakow Major, 7 big events. The rest of their top 4 streaks were streaks of 1,2, or 3. Starting off strong and ending a little weaker isn't consistent so know your facts before stating shit.
2018-10-23 18:06
Id put Nitro and Elige before karrigan, Faze did win a few international tournaments with karrigan but Nitro and Elige cant win shit.
2018-10-23 05:32
Yes, give nitro and elige niko rain and guardian and they will win too, 100% if fact give nitro and elige device dupreeh and xyp and they will win, karrigan didnt
2018-10-23 15:56
Nitro and Elige have been on so many of the #1 ranked NA teams and still haven't won. Even getting hard carried by s1mple in 2 majors. While I don't know either of them personally from content I have watched and read they both seem to have a so be it mindset. They won't play with someone they don't really like if it guarantees a win, they would rather play with a friend and lose. In every interview I've seen with them they are ALWAYS just okay with trying and never sound confident in themselves as a team while most other pros at least have some humor or confidence in their interviews. Although NAF is 10x worse them in interviews, he always sounds depressed or high (if he is depressed I feel bad for him) but he is always hyped up and then poor Twistzz has to do what s1mple did and drop 30 kills and grind out the games while everyone else seems to be just okay with the team. I hope that someone lights a fire under liquid's ass or Twistzz transfers to another team where he can be around other pros that want to win. Personally, I think that Twistzz could work well in Faze although they aren't at their peak right now, he could be the guy to help them get back up there and compete with Astralis. These are just my opinions so feel free to talk mad shit.
2018-10-23 20:57
there is a dfference between being on #1 NA teams and #1 world teams. Big difference, the truth is the majority of nitro and eliges losses they were underdogs. karrigan lost most as the favorites, karrigan lost more, karrigan lost with mroe talent, karrigan lost for more years, karrigan lost bigger tourneys
2018-10-23 20:59
As a fan of many NA teams, I think its bullshit to give them a crutch of "just being NA" if you play against T1 competition you better be able to compete. I'm not a karrigan fan at all but I think he gets so much of this flack just from the Boston major. I think if Faze went out in the semis people wouldn't be as pissed at him. I actually think a lot of EU guys are pissed that they lost to NA. But again its just my opinion.
2018-10-23 21:02
im not going to rexplain all of my points again, if u dont see how karrigan is a worse choker u are being biased. lemme give a brief summary more losses losses with more teams losses with better teammates losses as favorites losses in semis and grand finals losses while getting 10 kills 30 deaths losses with niko rain guardian olof device dupreeh and xyp once he is replaced the team is better
2018-10-23 21:05
I understand your points, having an opinion is being biased so I fully admit to that. They are all chokers but on another note, I feel that the choking in liquid is worse because all of the Faze guys have opportunities to go to any EU or NA team. Liquid and C9 are the only really big orgs with NA teams and frequently they grab the best up and coming NA talent like Twistzz and being on a team with unmotivated players is never good for a players mindset, this spans across all sports. They either need to get inspired quick or Twistzz has to get out of there and go to a better team. - karrigan and +twistzz would be cool but im not sure if Niko can keep up being a T1 IGL for a long time.
2018-10-23 21:27
Edward was out of prime before CSGO came out lol
2018-10-23 15:58
Kick Karrigan for the love of god! #SaveFaZe
2018-10-23 21:03
+1000
2018-10-23 21:05
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