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Zeus (top1 IGL) > Ange1 (34-62)
Canada alpha_introvert 
It is so much fun to read those comments like "Zeus is a bot" "Worst IGL in csgo" "Ange1 is much better than Zeus" "-zeus +bot" Jeeez... Ange1 in bo3 against NaVi - (34-62) axaxaxxaxaaxxaxa what a great player, what a GREAT PLAYER, much better than Zeus *sarcasm* Zeus is one of the best IGLs in csgo rn, prove me wrong Try to remember NaVi before they kicked him - they were in top5 teams They kicked him - not even top10 Meanwhile - Zeus become a major champion with tier3 team Gambit Zeus came back - NaVi is top1-3 team since then u are such braindead soyboys jeeez... axaxaxaxax p.s.: Zeus and Edward are Gods, fu haters
2018-10-23 20:36
2018-10-23 20:37
any arguments, Mr. Germanistan?
2018-10-23 20:40
when zeus was kicked from navi, they won their first t1 in csgo history. ESL one ny
2018-10-23 20:47
The exception proves the rule
2018-10-23 20:53
what are u on? navi got better after zeus left, they actually contended for top 1, then guardian and s1mple started butting heads, zeus was guardians sloppy seconds
2018-10-23 20:54
team needs a strong IGL (like Zeus) so noone will be butting heads u only proved my point
2018-10-23 20:59
You braindead zeus fans just dont get it, he is good but not nearly as great as ur posing him to be. Why was gambit hot garbage besides krakow when adren and hobbit decided to hard carry
2018-10-23 21:00
Zeus is one of the best IGLs in csgo rn definitely the best IGL in CIS just stop crying and accept the facts
2018-10-23 21:07
ur crying that zeus is a bot rn
2018-10-23 21:08
2018-10-23 21:08
1.18 in BO3 vs HR (with one of the best IGLs in CIS and woxic and ISSAA), 1.8 on D2 = bot rn, kk
2018-10-24 03:17
you are typical moron player
2018-10-24 03:35
NaVi got better after Zeus kick ? Because winning a single event proves that Zeus was useless ? How far did they get in majors without him ? What did Zeus with Gambit in the meantime ? Some teams without IGLs can be good for a certain time and then disappear. IGL's skill doesn't really matter that much, look at pronax, no one talked about him, he wasn't that good tbh but his leading brout many tournaments to fnatic.
2018-10-25 11:30
They won shitty ESL (not even Cologne) and zeus won a major, lmao.
2018-10-23 21:20
Won ESL NY with great individual play by s1mple and Guardian, and choke hard after that (wiithout proper IGL and tactics)
2018-10-24 03:19
2018-10-25 17:07
yes. when zeus was kicked from navi, they won their first t1 in csgo history. ESL one ny
2018-10-23 20:51
anything u can come up with yourself or braindead? anyway, the exception proves the rule
2018-10-23 20:54
They won because of rule "coach can talk in game like 6th player", so starix was their IGL, in fact. When that rule was denied, NaVi choked hard, because seized was bad as IGL
2018-10-24 03:23
The rule was implemented before ESL NY.
2018-10-24 03:24
And canceled after. When this rule was implemented, NaVi decided, that Zeus is a problem (so that had a point, because then he had very bad aim), and they could be win with starix, but after NY they were shocked and stunned
2018-10-24 03:32
Because Zeus Top 0
2018-10-23 20:55
wow, what a great sense of humor
2018-10-23 20:59
Was just stating facts
2018-10-23 21:02
there is no such thing as "top 0" so u cannot call it a fact u r just a crybaby with bad sense of humor
2018-10-23 21:06
Of course. The top 0 player is the huge 0 if you understand
2018-10-23 21:07
bad sense of humor, as I said stop it please and move on
2018-10-23 21:09
I repeat: hard facts. You have to accept those
2018-10-23 21:18
u can repeat it as many times as u want it won't make it a fact anyway
2018-10-23 21:24
Ace | 
Norway spenc 
There shit tons of reasons for them dropping if when they kicked. Firstly he wasn't IGLing, starix was. And the only reason they fell off is because the coaching rule, making the team IGLless for a year. And if you go to gambit, they didn't fall off because they lost zeus, they fell of because they had no IGL. If you actually see their strats, he isn't really doing much. He calls very basic things, and a lot of the time, he just says "s1mple, go kill", which was proven when zeus came out with a VOD. I'm saying zeus is a bag IGL, and I definetly don't ANGE1 is better, but a lot of people are over valuing him.
2018-10-25 11:28
"Firstly he wasn't IGLing..." u should see the difference between a coach and IGL, starix was never an IN-GAME LEADER "And if you go to gambit...they fell of because they had no IGL" so u just proved my point that zeus is a great IGL "he just says "s1mple, go kill"..." u cannot take one phrase out of context and use it as an example of his IGL skills what ever he says he does motivate and lead the team, he can say whatever he want, his personality and relationship with other players have a great impact on them if a good leader would say lets go jump of the building to death, they would go and do it (that was a poor comparison, but i hope u got my point)
2018-10-25 16:48
Ace | 
Norway spenc 
1: But he wasn't IGLin when he got kicked off NaVi. Starix was. He was calling the strats. And a few weeks after they kicked him, the coaching rule came, making them IGLless. 2: I'm saying that they would probably have won if they had any other IGL. Gambit not having IGL, put stress on AdreN and hobbit, making them frag less. 3: here breaking it down. I don't agree with all of it but ye. I'm not saying he's a bad IGL, because he isn't. He is probably CIS' best IGL by far. All I'm saying is that he isn't the key factor in his teams' success, and generally, I believe him to be overhyped.
2018-10-25 21:37
i see your point im not saying that he is the main factor for navi success, as i said in one of the comments, this is a result of +zeus -seized +electronic in complex but what im saying is that he is the best IGL in CIS and i believe he deserves to get this hype for that and i see much more comments and threads hating him than hyping, that's why i decided to create this thread
2018-10-25 21:41
loWel | 
Spain dEl1cius 
2018-10-23 20:41
Ukraine dashbug 
++ detected
2018-10-23 20:43
dashbug detected
2018-10-23 21:09
Ukraine dashbug 
2018-10-25 05:44
thank you, brother
2018-10-23 20:43
Zeus | 
Ukraine Lomz 
2018-10-23 20:41
*since 2010
2018-10-23 20:45
Zeus > HR
2018-10-23 20:43
Zeus > God
2018-10-23 21:10
Zeus is god of gods
2018-10-23 21:22
2018-10-23 21:26
Russia Live_eviL 
Zeus ace vs hr
2018-10-23 20:43
"Zeus shuts down HellRaisers with an ACE" Zeus style to play eco rounds link:
2018-10-23 20:49
Tbh that was the dumbest fucking call ive ever seen from HR, rushing the smoke vs pistols while flashing themselves and the sitting in b hall waiting to get killed
2018-10-23 20:57
bad IGL = bad calls great IGL = winning on eco
2018-10-23 21:00
edward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Zeus
2018-10-23 20:46
they are both Gods it is difficult to say, who is stronger
2018-10-23 20:54
2018-10-23 20:47
2018-10-23 21:10
zeus has 1 bot ( edward ) ange1 has 2 bot ( deadfox bondik )
2018-10-23 20:58
zeus has 0 bots woxic has 4 bots (deadfox, bondik, ange1, issaa) fixed, you are welcome
2018-10-23 20:56
acceptable woxic need better team maybe he is joining with ex-ss sk gaming. it's my dream. sk will be top 10 team.
2018-10-23 21:01
i hope your dream come true
2018-10-23 21:11
2018-10-23 21:33
naah they will never be top 10 team lol
2018-10-25 17:48
ISSAA is not a bot, he is really good
2018-10-24 03:26
ok, brother, i trust u i don't really follow HR, this comment was made based on their bo3 against navi yesterday
2018-10-24 17:53
2018-10-23 20:51
never heard about chrisJ some tier 4 team player?
2018-10-23 21:11
United States Venom_ 
Edward is basically a better version of taco that can aim and Zeus is a great igl best in cis for sure
2018-10-23 20:52
United Kingdom Krafko_Retard 
Edward better than TACO lmao
2018-10-23 20:53
United States Venom_ 
Edward 200x better then taco
2018-10-23 20:53
United Kingdom Krafko_Retard 
2018-10-23 20:54
yes, my friend
2018-10-23 21:01
United States Jammin800k 
Lmao taco is better than Zeus every day of the week. Taco helped Liquid become a top 3 teams while all edward is doing is sandbagging 2 of the best players in the scene right now
2018-10-26 03:47
Latvia Tibro 
++ navi now is like = 2k15-16 navi top little bit now need to more get wins and major
2018-10-23 20:53
on the horizon, brother
2018-10-23 21:03
I think their problem now is a psychology, they should hire decent psychologist, and they will became strong enough to compete with the current Astralis
2018-10-24 03:35
2018-10-24 08:09
Latvia Tibro 
actually they have or had psycholog but still,they can do it, if had confident in finals and so on
2018-10-24 10:50
But wtf with NaVi in major finals? I can't explain this to anything other than psychology
2018-10-25 08:52
Latvia Tibro 
its just 1. s1mple dont play his game 2.they need play rounds which they have trained 3.and dont be pussy and just go
2018-10-25 11:28
And these 3 problems - psychological. They think that GF is a very, very important game, when Astralis think about their own game, so they play their game easily and crash (almost) every single team in the world
2018-10-26 04:42
smooya | 
Finland tuspa7 
watch a zeus demo :D His aim is literally dogshit, surely he is good at calling but absolutely terrible at aiming
2018-10-23 20:53
zeus - (50-40) ange1 - (34-62)
2018-10-23 21:02
Romania Ganlock 
They are mostly eco frags
2018-10-23 21:16
what's your point?
2018-10-23 21:18
One good game and ppl already think he is good lmao
2018-10-24 08:03
im saying in general, not based on 1 game
2018-10-24 17:56
zeus - (50-40) ange1 - (34-62) "in general"
2018-10-24 21:20
jeeez.. why u are so dumb #14 was talking about the bo3 between navi and hr i gave him the stats from that particular match the thread itself and most of my comments in this thread were dedicated to zeus performance in general i do realize that astralis fans are not the smartest people, but common are u really that stupid that u cannot get what im saying?
2018-10-24 21:31
You're max 15 yo based on how easily you got triggered. "but common are u really that stupid that u cannot get what im saying?" Of course I'm that stupid. That wasn't the point. I agree that Zeus is better than ange1 but Zeus' aim sucks anyway. Finnish guy also talks about his bad aim and you compare him to another player? What's the logic behind that?
2018-10-24 22:05
im 24 and im not triggered let me explain, first half of my thread was dedicated to comments i saw earlier that ange1 is better than zeus another half was dedicated to him as a player in general and especially him as an IGL when suomi said that his aim sucks, i posted stats of ange1 and zeus meaning "still better than ange1", i didn't mean that he has a great aim, he is obviously worst aimer in navi when u said "One good game and ppl already think he is good lmao" u didnt say anything about aiming and i assumed that u were talking about him as a player in general, i think that in general he is a great player who perfectly plays his role i hope now everything is clear
2018-10-24 22:15
I’m still not sure if I understand your logic but yea everything is clear. Also you should’t care about my other comments since they were little bit offensive. I dont want to set a fight or anything like that. Sometimes ppl just act that their opinion is the right one and others have worse. Have a nice day.
2018-10-24 22:21
i wasn't the kindest person too my apologies i do respect other opinion and im happy to see them, that's why i created this thread as well as i am happy to have some offensive debates for shits and gigs in the comments hope u understand and have a great day/evening <3
2018-10-24 22:27
Basing your arguments on statistics from one match is pretty thin. Look up stats for the last 3 or 6 months
2018-10-25 10:38
right above ur comment (#169) i explained what i meant, dont be stupid
2018-10-25 16:26
Russia bosd 
+1 Zeus very good IGL
2018-10-23 20:53
yes, comrade
2018-10-23 21:04
World Tenshi_R 
both shit
2018-10-23 21:01
u r shit
2018-10-23 21:03
2018-10-23 21:02
2018-10-23 21:12
Just destroyed haters of GODZEUS.
2018-10-23 21:20
we are strong together our God Zeus is with us and haters are crying again
2018-10-23 21:25
2018-10-23 21:26
-Zeus +forsaken
2018-10-23 21:08
forsaken is an easy fix for any team he has some God skills
2018-10-23 21:12
1mpala | 
Russia ViresuS 
totally agree bro
2018-10-23 21:17
2018-10-23 21:18
lol ange1 is a shit IGL, he plays like he is star player of team cause hes a dumbass
2018-10-23 21:27
i agree my point was that before this bo3, only today I saw tons of comments like "-zeus +ange1", "ange1 is the best IGL", etc
2018-10-23 21:44
I saw it in 2016 - early 2017, but it is outdated since 2018
2018-10-24 03:38
seems like u are not an active user of hltv
2018-10-24 17:54
i wish edward to get cancer literally and with all my heart
2018-10-23 21:28
that means that u are a bad person
2018-10-23 21:45
i am definitely am upd: since like 5yo so yeah youre speaking faxx
2018-10-23 21:55
Russia SashaDoshik 
ONE of the best IGLs BUT one of the worst players
2018-10-23 21:30
50-40 vs 34-62 btw i hate gloryhunters like u, astralis fanboy, go fuck yourself
2018-10-23 21:46
"50-40 vs 34-62 btw i hate gloryhunters like u, astralis fanboy, go fuck yourself" Wow.. nice behavior, then you all say that WE brazilians behave like monkeys... interesting. If you can't read others opinion without offend people just don't create this kind of topic.
2018-10-25 10:51
lol what a hell are u saying 1) russian fan of astralis = 100% glory hunter i dont like glory hunters, if u cannot take my opinion dont post on hltv and dont comment in my posts 2) did i call u monkey? no so wtf are u crying about, i talked to him and u got offended wtf kid 3) if u were smart enough, u would read this thread and u will see that im happy to listen to other opinions and to have a discussion to summarize, your post is irrelevant gtfo
2018-10-25 16:38
i dont believe zeus or edward were not toggling some cheats vs hellraisers on d2 after losing overpass, especially zeus not software cheats it may be, but im fucking 1000000000000000000000000000% sure they used at least some kind of amphetamines like adderall or just speed, its so easy to get in russia or ukraine, and i dont believe that these 2 shitty old faggots went from playing like they played overpass individually are legitimate after what they did on d2. when edward peeks into opponent and starts jumping instead of shooting i dont even know. edward got killed while he was jumping like 8 times out of 10 on overpass literally and then he carries inferno. meanwhile zeus does ace and sick frags vs one of the best aimers on cs scene. i dont even want to watch that shitshow for kids its rigged af
2018-10-23 21:32
take adderall or speed yourself and u will understand how stupid u sound
2018-10-23 21:48
thx keep it to urself ill stick to weed only and maybe some coco for some rare occasional holidays. speed is for loosers but if u want to argue on how does it works ure welcome
2018-10-23 21:54
nah speed is for losers, i agree dropped weed too, after 4 years i realized that it's shit and white is on VERY rare occasions
2018-10-23 21:58
huge +rep i think i alrdy met u today
2018-10-23 22:01
2018-10-23 22:10
congrats on legalization in canada btw
2018-10-23 22:27
thx man, i personally support it, even after I stopped smoking, because imo "the forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest" and now when it's not illegal it hopefully will decrease percentage of kids willing to smoke it to look cool
2018-10-23 22:39
i think it comes down to the personality and mentality, if everything in ur life is good and youre happy with your life overall weed wont ruin it but if somethings not weed will make it worse more likely the most important thing is it will be high quality, i mean clean stuff without some pcp or bad nutrients or even cheap cologne poured on buds etc
2018-10-23 22:52
i agree with everything u just said
2018-10-23 22:54
"dont believe zeus or edward were not toggling some cheats vs hellraisers on d2 after losing overpass, especially zeus not software cheats it may be, but im fucking 1000000000000000000000000000% sure they used at least some kind of amphetamines like adderall or just speed, its so easy to get in russia or ukraine, and i dont believe that these 2 shitty old faggots went from playing like they played overpass individually are legitimate after what they did on d2. when edward peeks into opponent and starts jumping instead of shooting i dont even know. edward got killed while he was jumping like 8 times out of 10 on overpass literally and then he carries inferno. meanwhile zeus does ace and sick frags vs one of the best aimers on cs scene. i dont even want to watch that shitshow for kids its rigged af" And how can you be sure that they dont suffer from attention deficit? If they (or any of them) received the diagnostic, have been doing all the exams some leagues ask them to do, and provided to the leagues all documents from psychiatric to prove the diagnostic, it's all ok. I have severe adhd and i can tell you that the thing that i like the most in this life (in terms of hobbie) is playing multiplayer games, and even so, if i dont take my ADHD medication i can't stand more than 20 minutes in front of computer (and there are days that even medicated i can't play more than 40 mins, because even feeling that i WANT to play, my brain don't process any motivation to do what i want, you feel there is no reward doing any-fucking-thing. This disorder is way more serious and cause much more suffering than people can imagine. Maybe you know someone that has ADHD and you see that this person dont suffer this much, well, some people with ADHD are born with more defects in the brain than others, the more impaired those deficients brain regions the more severe the disorder will be.
2018-10-25 11:04
i cant argue about adhd, you are absolutely right; i was noticing something like this by myself when i want to do something but cant properly focus and then when im just doing it like a robot while thinking about other stuff BUT man in the end, they should know if they have adhd so they know when they should take their medication; try to put urself in their place - why wouldnt you take meds BEFORE the game or the map or would you only take it as soon as you see your performance is awful? plus they are soviet people, if they were offered to shoot some drug in vein (for example) to surely win $$$$$$ tournament i mean they would do it without ANY hesitation. and its not a good idea INITIALLY to play on pro scene with adhd you feel me? or some mental/psychology issues. it will fuk your life up in the end, any professional activity that youre doing for 10+ years and thats getting you paid but wasting physical/mental health (physical is better to waste IMO cause it can be recovered). and im absolutely sure that edward does not have any issues like that because he is not such a greedy guy to trade his health for $, zeus still may be.
2018-10-25 13:14
So imagine a person that have ADHD, and because of the symptom of lack of motivation (in severe adhd cases, this symptom often gets to the point where you just can't get out of bed in a lot of days, even medicated. Some days you wake up fine and get out of bed, but 1h after you dont have mental energy to even hear someone talking, it hurts) and the only thing she can focus without feeling true AGONY (yeah, thats what i feel when i have to do things that are not stimulating to my brain, it's like a pain in the soul) and without feeling overwhelmed is playing CS.. This person already suffer for not being able to function as everybody expect, not being able to have a normal life in terms of professional sucess, in some cases not being able to sustain herself. Then this person becomes good at CS to the point of receiving an offert to play professionaly, or, in other words, to do the only thing she can focus, but for salary. How this person would turn it's back to this offert just because she has ADHD? Believe me, in these severe cases the only chance the person with ADHD have to achieve any professional sucess is with treatment, and finding a way to make money doing that especifically thing that is extremely stimulating to her brain.
2018-10-26 03:41
Finland aqua_rius 
look closer idiot, navi is good now because the addition of electronic and the peak of s1mple.
2018-10-23 21:35
rage kid lool i look closer at ur gf's tits and still cannot see them same issue when she tries to find ur D u r irrelevant
2018-10-23 21:50
simple has never peaked since addition of electronic simple is really washed up right now, he ruined his career, navi ruined it for sure first it was oooooh tox1mple ruined navi no its fucking otherwise
2018-10-23 22:04
yeah,its not like zeus made them instantly good when he joined,they were like barely top15 with the lineup that had seized
2018-10-24 08:11
#193 "bro, check their ranking development they were consistently top 5, before zeus was kicked then they dropped to top 16 zeus came back and they went back to top 9 but seized was a big issue and they dropped to top 16 again until electronic came to summarize, they lost their top5 since zeus left and were able to finally get decent result only after a complex of +zeus and -seized +electronic"
2018-10-25 17:13
Spain eIskio 
2018-10-23 21:47
"top 0" what a great joke sadly not the first one on this thread another kid with a bad sense of humor
2018-10-23 21:51
Spain eIskio 
Wtf you stated he's top 1 (so the best) and I said he's top 0 (ie the worst) what humor is in this statement?
2018-10-23 21:53
cause there is no such thing as "top 0"
2018-10-23 21:55
Spain eIskio 
Ofc there is you can read it here all the time. "top 0" is an expression for the worst
2018-10-23 21:57
than u have a top 0 sense of humor
2018-10-23 21:58
agree with Zeus disagree with Edward
2018-10-23 21:53
it's ur opinion i personally love Edward <3
2018-10-23 21:56
And that is yours ppl dont give a shit about your opinion
2018-10-24 22:13
that's okay but your mother doesn't give a shit about you and that is sad
2018-10-24 22:17
2018-10-24 22:22
I've been calling it for so long but people were always arguing with me like it is not true. Zeus without a doubt a better IGL than ANGE1, but kinda struggling with aim. If we put them on the comparison table we would see that picture IGL terms: Zeus>ANGE1 Aim terms: Zeus<ANGE1 I personally can't see ange1 in navi as IGL, cuz there is so much upcoming hopes like jR and jame who in a very short period showing better results than ANGE1 in his whole career.
2018-10-23 22:03
i agree with you, comrade people cannot be great in everything for example simple, he has a great aim, he has such type of personality that he tries to do as much as he can himself, but he will be worst IGL in history of csgo such people need strong IGL, such as Zeus, who doesn't have the best aim, let's be honest, but he can lead such people as simple, who has a very difficult personality he can control their emotions and make them play as a team everyone has it's own role
2018-10-23 22:15
wasnt zeus once 10 - 43 or smth
2018-10-23 22:13
everyone has bad days
2018-10-23 22:15
so did angel wtf is this logic. be consistant
2018-10-23 22:25
zeus is consistently better than ange1 and much better as an IGL
2018-10-23 22:26
"zeus is consistently better than ange1" False. Look up the stats.
2018-10-25 10:42
no, it's not false, what are u saying lol just look at the match history for ange1 he has decent results only against t3-4 teams, against which navi never play against t1-2 teams zeus has consistently better results than ange1
2018-10-25 16:33
2018-10-23 22:16
nt what, pewdiepie?
2018-10-23 22:25
Ange1 top 1 zeus top 2 forever
2018-10-23 22:25
axaxaxaxaax 0/8
2018-10-23 22:28
Kazakhstan flywarlock 
gla1ve > all igl tier1
2018-10-23 22:26
1) fuck astralis 2) im not looking for the best IGL here, so I don't wanna argue, it's your opinion, but anyway my point was that Zeus is one of the best IGL rn
2018-10-23 22:27
Kazakhstan flywarlock 
do you listen any navi teamspeak??? zeus useless shit always they idk what to do, or electronic\s1mpl to go here only, no analyse enemy, gay team kane and zeus
2018-10-24 00:27
yes i did, u are wrong
2018-10-24 17:52
Hater of Ukraine talks about the Ukrainian players.
2018-10-23 22:30
im not an ukrainian hater i hate racist ukrainians who hate russians for what their government did as well as russians who hate ukrainians this is a braindead attitude have a lot of ukr and rus friends here who live in peace and respect each other government is not people btw navi fanboy since 2010
2018-10-23 22:44
I have seen that you support the Russian government on hltv. But in the real life maybe you have no courage to show your real thoughts.
2018-10-23 23:02
those comments are made by me to offend those racist ukrainians in order for them to stfu if u look more deeply, u will find that i posted many comments towards racist russians, saying that putin fuck them 24/7 and they cannot do anything about that so u are wrong ps: if those were my real thoughts, why would i spend time with them?
2018-10-23 23:24
nt Putin supporter. In the universe does not exist such thing like racist ukrainians. The whole Ukrainian culture is pure anti imperialism and the will to gain the freedom. Ukrainians never ever oppressed Russians. Do not need to spread dirty kremlin propaganda here. Russia did so much damage to Ukraine but still Ukrainians do not hate Russians. I am pretty sure that if Russia will kill every single Ukrainain but still Ukrainians will continua to not hating them.
2018-10-23 23:39
Russia Sur10n 
>Ukrainians do not hate Russians >nt Putin supporter >Do not need to spread dirty kremlin propaganda here So basically you calling everyone,who's supporting russians and ukrainians at the same time "Putin supporter" and don't realise what it's kind of insult?That guy (stnsddnc) gave you his opinion on this situation with 0 insults towards you and you immediately called him "Putin supporter".....Try to not insult everyone for their opinion and fkn stop calling peoples "Putin supporter" for no reason,if you treating yourself as a person,who "do not hate Russians"!
2018-10-24 07:44
thank you for your support, comrade
2018-10-24 22:01
"In the universe does not exist such thing like racist ukrainians. The whole....." Did u forget about Ukrainian collaboration with Germany during WWII? How many ethnic russians were killed back then? At the same time people should not forget about genocide of the ukrainians by Soviet Union prior to WWII So neither Ukraine nor Russia can say that they have a clean history of relationship between each other The only propaganda im spreading here, is that decent people should not insult each other cause of what their government did, does or will do "Russia did so much damage....." Decent ukrainians do not hate russians, as well as decent russians do not hate ukrainians. And as told u earlier, my insults (that u saw earlier in other threads) were only towards both russians and ukrainians with delusional and racist behavior i hope my position on this topic is clear to you now good luck to u, my comrade, i dont feel like i want to continue this discussion ps: "Putin supporter", "dirty kremlin propaganda", "Russia did so much damage" those phrases show that u might not be as friendly and peaceful as u try to show yourself i hope im wrong
2018-10-24 22:01
Did I just see Edward and God in the same sentence? Oh man you must be braindead or some shit
2018-10-23 22:31
or u who's gonna judge?
2018-10-23 22:45
If you really think Edward is still a t1/t2 player i can’t take you searious and nobody except Navi fanboys will
2018-10-24 07:20
i still do think so, mb cause i am a navi fanboy, but i still think that edward is a great player
2018-10-24 17:55
achievements tells more than any words
2018-10-23 22:37
are u talking about zeus winning major?)
2018-10-23 22:46
im talking about whole career zeus 4 world championships in 1.6, 3 major finals in csgo, 1 major winner, won a lot of tournaments, always was in tier1 scene ange1 TOP 8 major in 15years cs career they are not even comparable
2018-10-23 22:54
i agree with u, comrade
2018-10-23 22:55
"Soyboys", even though your thread is completely correct, you should fuck off back to 4chan anyway, sorry.
2018-10-23 22:38
i've never been on 2ch or 4chan soyboy is a pretty popular meme on every social network nowadays and i find it funny
2018-10-23 22:46
zeus came back to navi and then they sucked for 6 months until they got electronic...its almost like they are carried by 2 top 5 players
2018-10-24 03:21
2018-10-24 03:34
imo seized was an issue
2018-10-24 22:44
he was butttt if zeus was such an amazing igl they would have been top 5 at least
2018-10-24 23:04
bro, check their ranking development they were consistently top 5, before zeus was kicked then they dropped to top 16 zeus came back and they went back to top 9 but seized was a big issue and they dropped to top 16 again until electronic came to summarize, they lost their top5 since zeus left and were able to finally get decent result only after a complex of +zeus and -seized +electronic
2018-10-24 23:57
I already told you Gambit would do that with any other veteran igl instead of zeus, morale matter And Navi were really without him when electro joined Zeus is a fucking bot and should be kicked down to tier 10
2018-10-24 03:34
i dont think they could've done it with any other veteran igl, cause imo he is for sure the best one in CIS they only won NY ESL without him, pretty weak comparison to Zeus winning major no, he is not
2018-10-24 22:36
yes he is, you should understand cis mentality like we do, he's useless there and not professional enough, also his individual skill is way below everyone else's he doesn't even lead properly, he just boosts morale, s1mple would be much better
2018-10-25 06:09
Latvia Ke]R[4u 
ur just unobjective zeus hater, that's it
2018-10-25 11:23
do you think the words i say are not true? put exaggeration away and tell me
2018-10-25 11:24
Latvia Ke]R[4u 
what reasonable discussion can we have when you call person who has success for the last 8 years with 5 different rosters useless
2018-10-25 11:28
his past achievements are irrelevant now, hes useless right now, at the moment his time is passed, the competition he was good in, has been multiplied but his skills weren't
2018-10-25 11:28
Latvia Ke]R[4u 
see, but you also go 1 step further and rewrite history by devaluing everything he did, in your head zeus was always bad not just now ur telling he was useless in gambit, any gold nova igl would win that major ur telling he did nothing for navi in 2018, zeus cant even wash himself in the shower because he is so old, s1mple is helping there as well if
2018-10-25 11:36
i have made it clear that i exaggerated lots of things but the point still stands his role in the gambit major run is highly overrated, he helped them massively but they would have done with somebody else of his position 2018 navi are going this trong thanks to their hard carriers, zeus is making believe he manages it by himself but i can clearly say his passion for the game was left behind in 2010-2011, hes not a top 1 player anymore regardless of what he achieved
2018-10-25 11:42
"s1mple would be much better" that's so wrong man, s1mple would be the worst igl due to his personality watch his streams man he cannot be a leader dont see any point to continue discussion with u after that argument u made, sorry
2018-10-25 16:24
theyre all the same in personality, zeus is the same gopnik but he's handless and s1mple has confidence to lead and to carry he has the spirit of a leader, zeus hang on there just because he was in the game for ages you should think for yourself or you will never achieve anything
2018-10-25 16:26
they are NOT the same personality what a hell are i saying man it looks like u are just talking without having any clue about the topic s1mple only confident in himself and he doesnt rely on his team this kind of personality cannot lead the team, he can carry, but not lead, u should see the difference he is always flaming and getting angry fast, that's why he always need a strong IGL to come him down zeus has a great history of cs behind him, he has confidence that spreads to the whole team, he can motivate, etc. - all of those are what a real IGL should have "you should think for yourself or you will never achieve anything" what does this suppose to mean lol
2018-10-25 16:55
"he can motivate" exactly, that's all zeus can do, he's just a cheerleader, he's not an IGL he can't kill anyone, he can't provide any tactics, he's useless s1mple has a burning passion and he blames his teammates for inabilty for the reason, they should listen to him as long as he's absolutely the best s1mple would be a much better igl, zeus and edward should be kicked
2018-10-25 16:58
i dont agree with your opinion as well as i think u dont really understand what a decent igl should do also u should watch some streams of s1mple and navi vlogs to get an idea on personalities of those players, zues is even an irl leader when they are together i think we should stop this discussion, it will not lead us to any conclusion as long as u keep repeating the same things without a proper foundation
2018-10-25 17:03
i watched their vlogs and i know what kind of a person zeus is, hes not able to be a good player and igl should be the best player on his team with trust from others and confidence in game
2018-10-25 17:32
"i think we should stop this discussion, it will not lead us to any conclusion as long as u keep repeating the same things without a proper foundation"
2018-10-25 17:35
yes you wrote your point and you left me no opportunity to write mine now that you read it, we can close it
2018-10-25 17:41
i see your point and i appreciate your opinion but some fundamentals we see in different ways that an issue and we will never come to a conclusion it was nice talking to u
2018-10-25 17:57
this was the only time that we were actually talkin and not spewing out fire like serpents likewise
2018-10-25 18:26
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
Are you canadian?
2018-10-24 03:45
he’s probably not
2018-10-24 07:21
why so
2018-10-24 22:31
Only cis people are Navi fans
2018-10-25 10:32
tell it to german guy at #180
2018-10-25 16:24
yeap, why
2018-10-24 22:31
Gla1ve >>>>> zeus
2018-10-24 07:46
Gla1ve? never heard about him
2018-10-24 18:10
Random fake flagger called stnsddnc neither heard about him
2018-10-24 22:16
typical toxic astralis fan replied to me under 3 different comments jeeez... of course u didnt heard about me, im an ordinary hltv user lol fakeflagger? lol u can still find my ID in some thread
2018-10-24 22:22
Also what makes me an astralis fan? That I’m danish? Fan twistzz = fan of astralis? No no no.
2018-10-24 22:24
hahaha it was in your profile and u removed it, but i have no proof, so u win this one
2018-10-24 22:29
I’m an honorable man and I can swear that I havent done such a thing :D
2018-10-24 22:35
okay okay xD
2018-10-24 22:44
Kazakhstan dc7 
navi became tier1 when they got rid of guardian coincidence?
2018-10-24 07:49
idk, faze was doing pretty good at the beginning with him
2018-10-24 18:11
Zeus | 
Ukraine One1ove 
Zeus better as IGL, but Ange1 is great player too.
2018-10-24 10:52
i do not argue with that, i do respect ange1 as a player, my point was that people are always flaming towards zeus, but he is a great player, and even so ange1 is a good player too, u cannot really compare him with zeus
2018-10-24 18:12
Ange1 > Zeus /closed
2018-10-24 17:56
/open no any arguments? if no gtfo /closed
2018-10-24 18:13
2018-10-24 18:15
Edward is actually IGL of NaVi.
2018-10-24 17:58
im not sure what's that, bait or sarcasm?
2018-10-24 18:14
Edward is tactical mind, Zeus is midround caller mostly. Bro, believe me, Edward is making most of the actual tactics for them, before big tournaments especially.
2018-10-25 04:52
maybe before the tournaments, during their preparation or bootcamps but zeus is definitely an igl = In-Game leader cause if u look at edward during matches or especially during timeouts, he doesnt talk, he just puts his head on his right arm and listens
2018-10-25 17:17
Exactly. But as you said, Edward making tactics before. And Zeus working on that tactics during game.
2018-10-25 18:08
i'll trust u on that anyway, that's what in-game leader should do imo
2018-10-25 20:09
Usually, all of players are working on that. But in this case, Edward is not so fluid and fast to actually IGL. Sometimes he calls, some maps and situations. But not mainly. He's a tactical mastermind, and he's best (i think in all of CS GO scene actually) in making post game analysis and conclusions about games.
2018-10-25 21:07
CIS Geograt 
Zeus > glaive But edward < dupreeh, so navi not too1
2018-10-24 22:04
sadly, but yea, navi is not top1 that's why i used "top1-3" :P
2018-10-24 22:30
Germany Naviever 
Zeus one of the best IGL of all time CS history Nowadays NaVi is TOP2 team because of Zeus
2018-10-24 22:31
i share your opinion, my friend
2018-10-24 22:46
2018-10-25 19:01
Ukraine mortydefiled 
Wow, man, that's weird to hear these words from NOT a CIS guy :D
2018-10-24 22:32
NaVi supporter since 2010 a great team and a great organization i do respect this organization for being both fans and results oriented
2018-10-24 22:52
lul? ange1 had simple,dosia,adren,mou,flamie yet he didnt achieved anything LUL.
2018-10-24 22:43
u would be surprised how many comments "-zeus +ange1" I saw prior to NaVi-HR bo3
2018-10-24 22:53
TaZ | 
Azerbaijan roninelli 
Bravo dude... i am fun of zeus and edward till 2004 =)
2018-10-24 23:06
2018-10-25 17:17
Russia skydead37 
2018-10-25 08:55
Denmark AskeRoger I mean you could be right, buuuut this one video just makes me lose almost all respect for Zeus... Sorry
2018-10-25 09:05
nt Brian
2018-10-25 10:36
im Alex, nice to meet you
2018-10-25 17:17
shut the fuck up brian
2018-10-25 17:20
ok Tarkan
2018-10-25 17:27
Brazil cadik 
+1 i are agree Zeus TOP1-2 IGL (equal to FalleN and gla1ve) just facts: Zeus lead gambit to Major champions now he lead navi to TOP2 even with useless eco/exit fragger in the roster, just remember where was navi before zeus joined back
2018-10-25 10:43
2018-10-25 17:18
Brazil cadik 
also one more detail zeus + 4 decent players = MAJOR CHAMPIONS zeus + 3 decent players + eco/exit fragger, team baiter aka s1mple = TOP2 LOSERS find a weak link in that formula
2018-10-25 10:49
Simple is GOAT Cs Go player, if you say that he is just exit fragger you understand nothing in this game.
2018-10-25 10:56
but he started doing that with awp against NiP, he got 4 exits in a pistol round, I never seen before men )) The s1mpla needs to use kalashinkov )) not awp men )) now he just baiter
2018-10-25 11:09
Russia slyfoxxdd 
2018-10-25 11:11
United Kingdom Argyl 
Zeus is a great all-time IGL, doesn't mean he's a sick fragger. There's no way you can say he's not a bot. This post has to be a Tier 8 Bait
2018-10-25 11:12
i've never said he has a great aim, but there much more behind cs than aim so, no, he is not a bot and im not baiting, it should be clear to everyone but u
2018-10-25 17:19
United Kingdom Argyl 
Bot is representative of his actual in game ability. If you wanted to say he was a bad IGL you wouldn't call him a bot.
2018-10-25 17:29
no u
2018-10-25 17:31
United Kingdom Argyl 
Fucking cretin lmao
2018-10-25 17:41
no u i just dont understand what is ur point, some bs imo
2018-10-25 17:56
Korea KasPro 
He looks and plays like a retard but behind all of that he is a master mind
2018-10-25 11:29
2018-10-25 17:20
Gla1ve still better, fragging and strat wise
2018-10-25 11:30
gla1ve? never heard about him, sorry
2018-10-25 17:20
Romania hiei59 
Ok, let's say he has good strats and he is good as an IGL, that doesn't change the fact that sometimes you need the IGL to step up his game too, and Zeus almost never does that. Also, wtf, Edward god? I can understand that you are a fanboy, but look at fucking stats, or demos, or fragmovies, wait....there is no Edward in frag movies.
2018-10-25 13:25
Hungary raffai 
Zeus is awesome, but not top1. Glave is better for example
2018-10-25 13:32
gla1ve? never heard about him, sorry
2018-10-25 17:21
yes zeus best.
2018-10-25 17:30
coldzera | 
Brazil guz4 
-1 zeusbot
2018-10-25 17:44
2018-10-25 17:58
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